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841  Other / Meta / Re: The Objective Standards Guild - Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia on: February 20, 2020, 06:37:59 PM
Point of order on alternative accounts: 

If an account is flagged legitimately as a scammer and they simply set up a new account and start with a "clean record" as it were, does this not constitute a distinct weakness in the proposal?  Under the criteria set forth in the OP, the suspicion of being an alt is not sufficient to tag the account.  Is there a chance this would enable easy whitewashing of past crimes and create an environment in which is it likely easier to defraud people in future scams?
I think suspicion is the key word in your post.

There are not many scammers that could possibly fit your description. Most of the serial scammers are tagged red and blend in with others in their business for other reasons.

In the past when a serial scammer tried to use a new account, an admin would find and tag it if it goes undetected long enough.
842  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: February 20, 2020, 06:33:40 PM
To have a contested convention, all that need to happen is no candidate receive more than 50% of total delegates. If someone receives a small amount of delegates, they may stay in with the hopes of someone tanking due to a scandal and if not to use their delegates as a way to leverage a cabinet position or a vice presidential nomination.
843  Other / Meta / Re: {LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. Done! Thank you theymos. on: February 19, 2020, 02:50:53 PM
I am frequently out of both source merit and personal merit, and I receive lots of merit so I am always spending more than my normal allocation. I tend to spend small amounts of merit per post I merit.
844  Economy / Reputation / Re: JollyGood undeservedly post me red trust on: February 18, 2020, 08:22:11 PM
Your name is “exchangesupport” if you are not part of the exchange (unlikely), you are impersonating someone who is.
I didn’t have an account on this forum before. I decided to create and name it in honor of the protection of my favorite exchange. I see nothing wrong with that.

But the fact that a crowd of baboons attacked me and gave me a negative reputation.

You are very cruel on newcomers.

Moreover, it’s very disappointing that there are racists on the forum.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it appears your favorite exchange is displaying fake volumes to the public.

I don’t have the time to look into the other claims (right now) of your (favorite) exchange, however the fake volume alone is enough for me to consider it a scam.

No, I don’t believe that you named your account after your favorite exchange for a second.
845  Economy / Reputation / Re: JollyGood undeservedly post me red trust on: February 18, 2020, 08:05:41 PM
Your name is “exchangesupport” if you are not part of the exchange (unlikely), you are impersonating someone who is.
846  Economy / Reputation / Re: Vod is a liar. on: February 18, 2020, 02:54:46 AM

Edit:
If Vod has substantial evidence that OgN is a pedophile, he should substantiate it, or not make the claim. If there is some reason why he cannot post the evidence he has, he can go to the police where OgN lives. He really should just go to the police so they can investigate if there is any actual evidence.

Did you mistype those two names by accident?  If OG won't apologize for calling me a pedophile, and will not go to the police, than the pressure will escape another way.   Like teeGEE says, you don't fuck with children.
I was saying this for the both of you...

If one of you has evidence the other is a pedophile, you should contact the police. If either of you wants to continue alleging the other is a pedophile, you should substantiate it with evidence posted publicly so it can be scrutinized.   

Since the time of my last post, I found one post by OgN that was strongly implying that Vod is a pedofile (even if it did not say this in as many words), and I know that Vod has made unsubstantiated allegations that others are pedophiles in the past.

If anyone has called (or implied) someone a pedophile and they are not going to backup their claims, they should take this time to apologize, so everyone can move on.

Life is too short for these petty little squabbles. 
847  Other / Meta / Re: A kinda shitty script for quoting posts in locked topics on: February 18, 2020, 01:17:39 AM
Btw, I wanted to ask if you plan to make it open source so other devs can contribute.
He literally posted the code. You looked at the code. I am what you want him to do to make his code "open source"
848  Economy / Reputation / Re: Vod is a liar. on: February 17, 2020, 11:56:20 PM

3) You can help us convince OG to let it die and apologize.

If OgN has called Vod a pedophile in the past (including implying as much), he should apologize, and let everyone move on. If there is substantial evidence this is true (I would find this very unlikely), he can present it publicly, so it can be scrutinized. He really should just apologize.

Actually, anyone who has slung this specific type of dirt around should apologize. A lot of people have slung this at vod, and vod has slung this at other people. I  believe this all started when vod pissed off what was likely a loan scammer (this presumption is based on numbers), who posed a baseless claim on a smear/extortion website, and others that vod has pissed off have stumbled across that website and repeated those claims enough times that vod has previously repeated similar claims to those that piss him off.

If Vod has substantial evidence that OgN is a pedophile, he should substantiate it, or not make the claim. If there is some reason why he cannot post the evidence he has, he can go to the police where OgN lives. He really should just go to the police so they can investigate if there is any actual evidence.
849  Economy / Reputation / Re: Spineless cowards making posts on: February 15, 2020, 05:39:36 AM
I am literally speechless for words as to how to respond to that.

I'll remind you that you don't need to actually speak when posting.   Wink

(I'm only a grammar nazi when people misuse the word literally, which is a word meant to clear ambiguity)


I am just trying to say that what DireWolfM14 said is appalling and is really not a good look.

@Hhampuz don't pay attention to these types of threads man. You're handling things just fine.

I don't think this is a good advice overall and taking it would not be an ethical decision from an good campaign manager.
I think taking this advice has the potential to harm Hhampuz’s reputation. He can delay responding for some time to evaluate the facts if he needs to. 
850  Other / Politics & Society / Re: #breaking Michael Avenatti arrested (report) again on: February 15, 2020, 02:29:38 AM
Does this mean we have a new democrat frontrunner for president? (Avenatti was found guilty of 3 felonies today)
851  Economy / Reputation / Re: Spineless cowards making posts on: February 15, 2020, 02:27:27 AM

Quote from: PN7



Where are you quoting from?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225789.msg53838262#msg53838262





Quote from: Hhampuz



Where are you quoting from?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225789.0;all

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225789.msg53838897#msg53838897
852  Economy / Reputation / Re: Spineless cowards making posts on: February 15, 2020, 02:21:16 AM
So, maybe this shitstick gets away this time.  
This is the first time I have ever heard the consequences of asking a question to be described as "getting away with it".

I am literally speechless for words as to how to respond to that. That sounds a lot like something someone might say who is being graded by the chinese social credit system.

BTW, I don't think Hhampuz thinks it is as ludicrous to expect payment as you do:
Quote from: Hhampuz
Either way, if they don't come online within the next 2 weeks (end of this month) I'll pay you out of my own pocket I suppose.

I won't comment on what I think Hhampuz should have done, but this was his reaction.

If you are doing business with someone, and you don't receive payment when you expected to, I don't think it would be an appropriate reaction for the person you are dealing with to "take it personally" when you question why you didn't receive payment.

I guess someone forgot to tell whoever Justice_ is that the marketplace subs are a "safe space"
853  Other / Meta / Re: Remove red trust, it is nothing but noise. Getting sickening to watch. on: February 14, 2020, 07:07:23 PM
There are multiple people that are guilty of this and these add up.

This empowers some other people to just go crazy with ratings that really don’t have any basis in fact or reality and act in bad faith when someone tries to talk about it.

People should have the right to express their opinion on if someone is a scammer or a high risk to deal with. If these opinions are not in line with the community as a whole, they shouldn’t be on DT, or they should leave ratings not in line with community consensus from an alt not on DT.
854  Other / Meta / Re: Remove red trust, it is nothing but noise. Getting sickening to watch. on: February 14, 2020, 06:49:22 PM
Owlcatz, based on evidence and testimony I have reviewed, played a minor role in the extortion scheme. Even though in a conspiracy, the crimes of one are the crimes of all, I believe it is appropriate to remove his name from the thread. If you disagree, or if you disagree with removing the tag against Lauda, you are free to add one yourself.

I don’t think moving to a flag system exclusively would solve the trust system problems. The flag system, and the smaller impact of negative ratings make it so an individual cannot unilaterally ruin a persons reputation.

There is still the problem of mob justice and the lack of accountability in the trust system. The excuse of many has frequently been that xx is a net benefit to the trust system and this is why a controversial rating can be overlooked. I don’t think this should be an acceptable answer, especially if the controversial rating in question is actually many ratings regarding many distinct situations. Over time people have been tagged, and when they had no realistic chance of defending themselves nor remediating their reputation after a mistake, they would rage quit, sometimes with a scam attempt that was either not serious or had no reasonable chance of succeeding. There are many guilty of doing this and more that defended this.

Many people have made mistakes in the past, and I would not suggest a permanent scarlet letter for most people that engaged in the above, especially if they are trying to be a benefit to the trust system. I have seen some people improve their behavior on a limited basis, even if I still disagree with their past behavior and some of their current ratings. 
855  Other / Meta / Re: Remove red trust, it is nothing but noise. Getting sickening to watch. on: February 13, 2020, 05:59:32 PM
Re https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224780.msg53831608#msg53831608

I can use my good judgement to see if I believe they will reoffend or attempt a similar negative scheme again. Based on my good judgment, I don’t think Lauda will try a similar scheme in the future.

You are free to disagree with me if you choose. If you are who I think you are, you don’t like to criticize people with a lot of influence, at least not from your primary account. If you disagree, you are free to leave Lauda a negative rating for his previous misdeeds.

Let’s be honest though, I don’t think you actually care about warning the community about Lauda. My rating was not on the first page of Laudas trust wall, and probably wasn’t on the second. I think it would be unlikely for anyone unaware of his past to ever see my rating.
856  Economy / Reputation / Re: [Cult of Lauda] An historic peace: Rome’s treaty with Carthage on: February 13, 2020, 04:14:13 AM
I do hope that Vod comes around eventually. I think part of his problem is his ego, specifically him not wanting to ever be wrong (which results in him doubling down when he is wrong), and part of it is other things. Everyone is wrong sometimes, and no one likes to admit they are wrong.

Will you admit you wrong when you posted you knew for a fact I was a pedophile?
I should not have said that. I am sorry. 
857  Other / Meta / Re: Launch Possible of bitcointalk.org forum mobile application ? on: February 13, 2020, 04:10:38 AM
Do you have any specific features for mobile devices? Or do you want to see anything differently when viewing from a phone?
858  Other / Meta / Re: Remove red trust, it is nothing but noise. Getting sickening to watch. on: February 13, 2020, 04:04:45 AM


Redacting a selection of his extortion case thread and removing the names of owlcatz after years.
I am curious how many people would be aware of these types of changes to a thread, and out of those who would be aware, who would want to complain about something like this. Roll Eyes

ARE you curious? I would speculate perhaps those that pay attention, and don't like to see members retract/redact evidence of purported financially dangerous behaviors in return for their own red tags being removed.
Well, I actually have a pretty strong suspicion, but I will keep that to myself now. I don't think many people are in a position to notice a chance in a thread that has not been posted in for 3 months.

Please be specific. Are you claiming that because an extortion attempt or scam fails and there are no persons to financially reimburse that no warning should be applied to their account if they remove a warning they have placed on your account(s) ?
If someone is likely to repeat the attempt, a warning would remain appropriate. If there is good reason to believe they won't try again, I don't see a good reason to continue branding the person.

His posts are relatively to the point, there aren't any randomly capitalized words, and he has gone more than 2 posts without throwing out any childish insults. He's obviously an alt, but I don't think it's CH/TOAA on this occasion.
I don't think he is CH. But I also didn't initially think TOAA was CH but I turned out to be wrong about that. Maybe theymos will eventually have to say something to the effect of:

859  Economy / Reputation / Re: [Cult of Lauda] An historic peace: Rome’s treaty with Carthage on: February 13, 2020, 03:43:42 AM
QS - Can you please ask Ognasty to remove his frivolous negs on me? I removed my negs on him & sent him a peace PM stating I did not want to fight anymore and we should just try and be better to everyone.....
I sent him a PM with a recommendation that he remove his negative rating.
It doesn't sound like he wants to remove his rating. It looks like he has a concern with this post from a month ago, and it appears that he responded to my message with another negative rating.

I have also witnessed lauda making an attempt to gain consensus on potentially controversial red trust before handing it out.
Pretty surprising right? But like what? One time over the Yobit situation?
Specifically over the decision to not tag yahoo over the yobit situation. Yahoo was actively  promoting a business he acknowledged to be a scam. I think that fits the definition of 'high risk' pretty well, but it would be controversial nevertheless. This is actually a good example of the amount of insulation you get when you run signature campaigns.

I am not advocating for others to add lauda to their trust lists, or to blindly trust whatever he says without question, I am saying that a warning for lauda is no longer necessary.
I do agree that these situations regarding Lauda's possible escrow and extortion follies are long in the past and unlikely to be repeated though..
This is the standard of which I base my decision to remove my tag.

I think that Lauda is recently coming around, and I am gaining respect for them back slowly, but it is happening to TS RIGHT NOW
I have stated before that I don't agree with the tag on TS. Given TS's trading history and trust level, I don't see the rating actually hurting him. The way the trust system is setup, these kinds of disputes don't remove his ability to have positive trust.

I was about to type "Atleast Vod hasn't started with the false/absolutely unproven and unlikely accusations yet" but here we have....
OG won't return the money he stole from pirate that was for the community
So there goes that already...
My speculation is Vod will be one of the last people to come around, if he ever does. He is a good example of that a small percentage of controversial ratings will not get you booted from DT if you have sent a lot of ratings. This is in contrast to the risk of getting booted after a single controversial/incorrect rating that was corrected quickly that was the standard 4-5 years ago.

I do hope that Vod comes around eventually. I think part of his problem is his ego, specifically him not wanting to ever be wrong (which results in him doubling down when he is wrong), and part of it is other things. Everyone is wrong sometimes, and no one likes to admit they are wrong.


Merited by ibminer (3)
(Edit)
P.S. I am not buying this spirit of forgiveness crap, maybe the OP wants to run some shit with an ex-scammer and wishes to take off the baggage or whatever.

ibminer, that was meritorious?  
I am also curious about this. I am not betting on him responding in any substantial way. I have my own opinion on ibminer, but I will keep that to myself.



I believe the purpose of this thread is to further the descalation of the trust system, which is something theymos has been pushing for a long time now. (In addition to the stated purpose of the thread).
I believe many of us have wasted too much time in petty fights between ourselves. This time is better spent fighting actual evils or working together and making this place better.

Agreed. Make bitcointalk great again!
860  Economy / Reputation / Re: [Cult of Lauda] An historic peace: Rome’s treaty with Carthage on: February 11, 2020, 04:04:35 AM
I posted that if someone has what I view to be a serious concern, I will allow it to be unlocked as long as I am confident the person isn’t trolling or causing drama.

Vod:  QS, what did you do with the 20btc TF sent you to sue me?
QS:  I returned it.  I want to be a good person.
Vod:  What is the trans ID?
QS:  You are a troll.  (relocks thread)

I don't believe "Counters" work anymore, so QS - Can you please ask Ognasty to remove his frivolous negs on me? I removed my negs on him & sent him a peace PM stating I did not want to fight anymore and we should just try and be better to everyone..... And he just left his negs and never replied... Roll Eyes

TECSHARE - I removed my neutral on you as well. Roll Eyes

OG won't return the money he stole from pirate that was for the community; QS won't return the money he made scamming.  Looks like this is the place to steal with no consequences.  Smiley

Forgive me if I wait to see where this is going...
I think you know that to be untrue:
QS has returned the bitcoins back to me, as requested by me on mutually agreed upon terms. Here is the relevant portions of the email exchange.
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