For some reason some WO members use conbase as well so yeah... |
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Hmm chickun is not arising
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The only thing needed was Elon Musk's account. You build a short on Tesla, you have his account saying something like "stock value way too high", "model Y is not selling", "gigafactory is on fire", and profit from the drop.
But that would be traceable don’t you think? The authorities will only have to look at anyone shorting Tesla and see if anyone used leverage and then look for anyone that could fit the profile of a potential hacker. It's like they had the keys to Fort Knox and they decided to steal the fork lift.
Seriously, what's the most bungled crime that's ever been committed? These guys are on the top ten list.
I refuse to believe this was a case of flagrant stupidity, to me this is as if the hackers were after something more valuable to them, it is possible there was something in those accounts that was valuable to someone and they delivered that message as evidence they got in and got what they wanted, however just leaving a message will be suspicious so the doubling scam was just a way to conceal their intentions and make it seem as if they wanted money when what they were really after was something else. Obviously this sounds like a conspiracy theory but I fail to see how it makes sense otherwise. Tesla has a ton of shorters, so wouldn't be that easy, but a huge leveraged short position out of nowhere a day before would be a red flag. One thing for sure is that there are million better ways to capitalize on such access, the odd choice of BTC scam, tells us the hacker wasn't interested in monetizing the info |
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Only if there's a big drought and Ethiopia decides to hoard the water, but the flood would be devastating to everyone down the stream |
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What happened, ragequit, or something he wrote makes him feel exposed ?
ragequit over BLM politics, at least that seemed to be the last straw That sucks. I ragequit another site about 4 years ago and kind of wish I hadn't. But there's no going back as the site is now gone. Sorry he's gone. I should add that i only based it on his last posts and screengrab about him asking about account deletion, i don't have any additional info outside of that |
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What happened, ragequit, or something he wrote makes him feel exposed ?
ragequit over BLM politics, at least that seemed to be the last straw |
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FWIW, what I think jbreher is saying, is that BTC and BSV can both potentially be equally decentralized. In other words, the algorithms themselves allow for the same amount of decentralization.
However, BTC is currently far more popular/dominant than BSV, and this currently gives it a higher amount of decentralization. But this is not due to the algorithm itself, but due to popularity/dominance, which could potentially change in the future.
Well, I don't believe it will, for several reasons which have been discussed many times here in WO, but that's essentially what jbreher is saying.
The changes BSV makes to the protocol will inevitably centralize the protocol, and this is being touted as a feature, not a bug by the leaders. Bitcoin is not and has never been about ‘censorship resistance’. I added the alert key to be able to freeze and reverse transactions, if needed. All that matters in Bitcoin is a public record of any transaction that is reversed. That vision is NOT decentralized. Period. Cause there is nothing such as decentralized There is only open to join mining an compete for incentives, nobody should ever change the rules And with incentives there is responsibility and nothing out of law But meh That's a red herring. That's like saying the kitchen table is never perfectly clean, so I might as well take a huge steaming dump on it. The goal is to move as far in the decentralized direction as possible. Perhaps like "trust minimized" we should say "centralization minimization". But I do not know why I am talking to you. You are just parroting the talking points of your puppet masters. Even Satoshi wrote that bitcoin mining will be controlled by a few massive data centers. If that happens, it's logical to think that these mining operations will be bound by regulations such as all the US FATCA/AML/sanctions bullshit. In other words, mining will be somewhat centralized and subject to a certain amount of government control. I'm not entirely sure that's an inevitability, as BSVers are wont to think. It does seem to be heading into the direction of centralization though. It's not promising that the majority of mining is done in an evil, totalitarian shithole. jbreher covered that angle by distancing himself from Faketoshi, he knows that it's a loosing battle and he can't justify 90% of shit that comes from Faketoshi's mouth. hv_ is just a dumb talking head and will just parrot whatever the template of the day is. jbreher's angle is to lure noobs in by digging up some obscure definitions and extrapolating them to a point of absurdity, then when no one wants to waste time debating him that the world isn\t flat he thinks he wins  Sure, there are no true absolutes in this world, but it's not even needed. All we need is to make sure that those data centers are spread (more or less) equally across the globe say Americas, Asia, Europe, and Russia (sort of like UN with a possibility of veto). That way changes would require overwhelming consensus from all parties. Such high quorum level would require a lot of debate and be very difficult to achieve thus it would be reserved to truly exceptional cases, like world agreement to defund ISIS. And not a one party directive like FATCA, but a true "global" overwhelming quorum (not ever 50%+1) as anything less would just fork the chain, and can be akin to declaration of war. |
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He tends to support centralization and trusted third partys for some unknown reason. Makes me wonder sometimes why he supports bitcoin? Examples would be helpful in buttressing your claim. You support Coinbase and BSV, do I really need to add anything more than that? Yes, you do. Coinbase as opposed to what? Binance? BitFinex? BSV as opposed to what? BTC? From a fundamental analysis they are exactly as centralized as each other. Kraken and Gemini In what manner are Kraken or Gemini more decentralized than Coinbase? Why do BSvers always try to redefine the definition of decentralization? Are there no arguments you can come up with that don't require redefining meaning of words?
What the fuck are you babbling about now? As you seem to be accusing me of redefining 'decentralization', perhaps you might be so kind as to provide me with your personal definition thereof. Umm the decentralized part was referring to BTC vs your scamcoin, and not the exchanges. The exchanges were suggested as alternatives to Coinbase, seems like everyone got that part except for you. Still waiting for your: 1) explanation of how Coinbase suffers more as being a trusted third party than is Kraken or Gemini; and 2) personal definition of 'decentralization', so we may continue this discussion in a rational manner. Coinbase is [...] The topic on the table, DaRude, is not the ways Coinbase is evil, with the sole exception of them being centralized and trusted third parties. Stick to the goddam topic, ya ninny. As far as centralization, see, it's a common knowledge that BTC is more decentralized than BSv...
Lacking a common definition of 'decentralization', no. It is not 'common knowledge', as these aspects depend upon what the meaning of decentralization is. Seeing as you are too pea-brained to even have a definition which allows your brain to classify things along a decentralization spectrum, I suggest that 'you're outta your element, Donnie', and you may as well forfeit the discussion. jbreher you feeling alright? Feeling just fine, thanks. you were the one who put up the claim that some shitcoin,is as decentralized as BTC,
... You mean BSV? Yes, from a purely technical (i.e., fundamental) viewpoint, BTC and BSV are as de/centralized as each other. As I have already explained upthread. ... Again i don't see you backing up that claim, point to me where you're defining de/centralization and explaining what metrics you used to come to conclusion that BTC and BSv are equally decentralized? Stop wasting everyone's time As to the other topic somehow conflated in with the other. Yes, I understand that a good lot of you ascribe to the dogma that lotsa lotsa non-mining fully-validating clients equates to MOAR DECENTRALIZATION. Regardless of the relative amount of decentralization on any of a large number of other axes. And that lotsa lotsa minus one means that the entire system is in peril. You are of course wrong on both counts, but I get that all y'all think so. My point here is not to argue about that. It is to point out that your measure of centralization has fuck-all to do with any technical aspect of the coin/chain/client/code. It merely reflects the preferences of the market at this point in time, which is nothing more than the individual personal preferences of scads of individuals within the marketplace at this point in time.
Nevermind the fact that you were first to accuse me of 'redefining decentralization', when I in no way did such a thing. Your turn. What is the definition of decentralization to which you adhere, DaRude? Hmmm? Riiiight, that's just you bitching about nodes, still not seeing you defining decentralization, and criteria that you used to come to conclusion that BTC and BSv are as decentralized? Surely you're not just putting out claims without backing them up  |
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He tends to support centralization and trusted third partys for some unknown reason. Makes me wonder sometimes why he supports bitcoin? Examples would be helpful in buttressing your claim. You support Coinbase and BSV, do I really need to add anything more than that? Yes, you do. Coinbase as opposed to what? Binance? BitFinex? BSV as opposed to what? BTC? From a fundamental analysis they are exactly as centralized as each other. Kraken and Gemini In what manner are Kraken or Gemini more decentralized than Coinbase? Why do BSvers always try to redefine the definition of decentralization? Are there no arguments you can come up with that don't require redefining meaning of words?
What the fuck are you babbling about now? As you seem to be accusing me of redefining 'decentralization', perhaps you might be so kind as to provide me with your personal definition thereof. Umm the decentralized part was referring to BTC vs your scamcoin, and not the exchanges. The exchanges were suggested as alternatives to Coinbase, seems like everyone got that part except for you. Still waiting for your: 1) explanation of how Coinbase suffers more as being a trusted third party than is Kraken or Gemini; and 2) personal definition of 'decentralization', so we may continue this discussion in a rational manner. Coinbase is [...] The topic on the table, DaRude, is not the ways Coinbase is evil, with the sole exception of them being centralized and trusted third parties. Stick to the goddam topic, ya ninny. As far as centralization, see, it's a common knowledge that BTC is more decentralized than BSv...
Lacking a common definition of 'decentralization', no. It is not 'common knowledge', as these aspects depend upon what the meaning of decentralization is. Seeing as you are too pea-brained to even have a definition which allows your brain to classify things along a decentralization spectrum, I suggest that 'you're outta your element, Donnie', and you may as well forfeit the discussion. jbreher you feeling alright? Feeling just fine, thanks. you were the one who put up the claim that some shitcoin,is as decentralized as BTC,
... You mean BSV? Yes, from a purely technical (i.e., fundamental) viewpoint, BTC and BSV are as de/centralized as each other. As I have already explained upthread. ... Again i don't see you backing up that claim, point to me where you're defining de/centralization and explaining what metrics you used to come to conclusion that BTC and BSv are equally decentralized? Stop wasting everyone's time |
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He tends to support centralization and trusted third partys for some unknown reason. Makes me wonder sometimes why he supports bitcoin? Examples would be helpful in buttressing your claim. You support Coinbase and BSV, do I really need to add anything more than that? Yes, you do. Coinbase as opposed to what? Binance? BitFinex? BSV as opposed to what? BTC? From a fundamental analysis they are exactly as centralized as each other. Kraken and Gemini In what manner are Kraken or Gemini more decentralized than Coinbase? Why do BSvers always try to redefine the definition of decentralization? Are there no arguments you can come up with that don't require redefining meaning of words?
What the fuck are you babbling about now? As you seem to be accusing me of redefining 'decentralization', perhaps you might be so kind as to provide me with your personal definition thereof. Umm the decentralized part was referring to BTC vs your scamcoin, and not the exchanges. The exchanges were suggested as alternatives to Coinbase, seems like everyone got that part except for you. Still waiting for your: 1) explanation of how Coinbase suffers more as being a trusted third party than is Kraken or Gemini; and 2) personal definition of 'decentralization', so we may continue this discussion in a rational manner. Coinbase is [...] The topic on the table, DaRude, is not the ways Coinbase is evil, with the sole exception of them being centralized and trusted third parties. Stick to the goddam topic, ya ninny. As far as centralization, see, it's a common knowledge that BTC is more decentralized than BSv...
Lacking a common definition of 'decentralization', no. It is not 'common knowledge', as these aspects depend upon what the meaning of decentralization is. Seeing as you are too pea-brained to even have a definition which allows your brain to classify things along a decentralization spectrum, I suggest that 'you're outta your element, Donnie', and you may as well forfeit the discussion. jbreher you feeling alright? you were the one who put up the claim that some shitcoin, who's market cap is less than bitcoin's daily volatility, is as decentralized as BTC, and then you're asking me to define decentralization? No one asked you, you laid a claim, man up, and explain your position and at least try to back it up with some metrics if you want to be taken seriously. Like i said, claiming that earth is flat and then asking us to define flatness, and then questioning said definition taking into the account spacetime continuum won't fly here, we're not noobs. I'll entertain a troll but i won't feed him |
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Well i didn't say shoot him, if he knew about coinbase and still used them, then it should be an automatic death sentence. As far as 5 wires, would make sense to limit 3rd party exposure, but looks like he kept the coins on coinbase so yeah, jail him
I would lend my support to driving a steam roller with spiky wheels 119 times over his face. I dig that, new anti-coinbase enforcer. Oh you use coinbase, and you admit it? Well, step right here...  |
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Maybe he didn't know better? I mean, putting $900k in 5 wire transfers ... and oh, hi everyone!
Well i didn't say shoot him, if he knew about coinbase and still used them, then it should be an automatic death sentence. As far as 5 wires, would make sense to limit 3rd party exposure, but looks like he kept the coins on coinbase so yeah, jail him |
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He should be jailed just for using coinbase |
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So I have tried a few times to download the Coinbase app needed to sign up for the Coinbase debit card. Each time I get "This is not supported in your country".
I use a VPN to set my IP in the US so is it not supported in the US? Or is it somehow detecting that I'm really in Panama?
Also, I finally got around to filing my extortion papers for the IRS.
Getting married helped keep me from needing to pay any taxes.
Land of the free...where you have to file your taxes even if you haven't stepped foot in the country all year.
You could renounce your citizenship, but you may well be anticipating getting some income such as social security or maybe you are receiving some other pension, which makes it a BIGGER trade off to renounce. I am not saying that I agree with world-wide income taxation, and surely there are trade-offs with any system whether we are referring to taxation or other matters of figuring out if you get benefits or will get benefits in the future. Sure, you likely subscribe to one of those libertarian views, and you have already admitted to it, and sure I have issues with libertarians trying to spin matters with out accounting for how to deal with various public goods, but you surely did not start your propounding of libertarian ideas in your teenage years, so you have some issues with your having had made too many USA connections in terms of either prior employment or your desires to return to the USA or to travel around the world with a USA passport causing you to be unwilling to renounce your citizenship.. because it will likely cost you more than what you are willing to admit to because you want to spin the taxation matter in one direction (sure we all have concerns about taxation how their spent and from whom they are collected). To renounce my citizenship would require paying taxes on the total value of all of my bitcoin holdings as if I sold them the day I renounced. The thought of the amount of brown skinned people in far off lands who's skin will be burned off using my money does not sit well with me. My thought is that the US will collapse in the next few years so it is not necessary to renounce my citizenship. US citizenship will cease to exist. Then I can just not sign onto the America 2 (the electric boogaloo) citizenship. But not to worry. I filed this year so when you leave your house in the morning there will be roads. Would relocating to Puerto Rico be an option, or got to pay taxes when leaving mainland either way? |
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He tends to support centralization and trusted third partys for some unknown reason. Makes me wonder sometimes why he supports bitcoin? Examples would be helpful in buttressing your claim. You support Coinbase and BSV, do I really need to add anything more than that? Yes, you do. Coinbase as opposed to what? Binance? BitFinex? BSV as opposed to what? BTC? From a fundamental analysis they are exactly as centralized as each other. Kraken and Gemini In what manner are Kraken or Gemini more decentralized than Coinbase? Why do BSvers always try to redefine the definition of decentralization? Are there no arguments you can come up with that don't require redefining meaning of words?
What the fuck are you babbling about now? As you seem to be accusing me of redefining 'decentralization', perhaps you might be so kind as to provide me with your personal definition thereof. Umm the decentralized part was referring to BTC vs your scamcoin, and not the exchanges. The exchanges were suggested as alternatives to Coinbase, seems like everyone got that part except for you. Still waiting for your: 1) explanation of how Coinbase suffers more as being a trusted third party than is Kraken or Gemini; and 2) personal definition of 'decentralization', so we may continue this discussion in a rational manner. Coinbase is anti bitcoin, they bloated mempool, inflated tx fees by resisting segwit, refused grouping transaction together, jumped on supporting bcash, actively selling analytics software to IRS etc etc etc pretty much all things that a bear like you would've done short of supporting BSv, so its really hard to call them a good guy, thus my suggested alternative exchanges that actually support bitcoin and it's idea/spirit. They're a business and are free to do as they wish, but i don't have to support them just as i don't have to support company trying to make a buck by selling facial recognition/tracking software to governments. As far as centralization, see, it's a common knowledge that BTC is more decentralized than BSv, but yet you claim otherwise. It's like me saying that earth is round and you claim that it's flat. Than, you troll for definition of 'round' and then later start nitpicking that definition, like pointing how there are parts on earth bellow sea level which are actually convex. Sure there are no absolutes so even though i'll be right in 99,9% of the time you'll be nit picking that 0,9%. Point being you're the one putting out unconventional claims about centralization, so it's you who has to substantiate it not I, the burden of proof is on you, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. |
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BSV as opposed to what? BTC? From a fundamental analysis they are exactly as centralized as each other.
That's a steaming pile of horseshit if I ever saw one. First of all, BTC's hash rate is about 60x bigger than that of BSV. Second of all, BSV's hash rate is highly centralized among a small number of miners. Such differences are not fundamental, and not due to any technical aspect of the coins/chains in question. They are merely differences in today's preferences of the market participants. BSV is mineable by the same set of participants as is BTC. And yes, collusion between three miners is sufficient to amass 51% hashpower on the BSV network today. While such collusion on the BTC network would require the astronomically higher number of four. Is this when jbreher pulls up some exceptional definition of centralized, to school everyone on how by that one-off definition BTC is as centralized as BSv? Where we all know that he's full of it? |
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He tends to support centralization and trusted third partys for some unknown reason. Makes me wonder sometimes why he supports bitcoin? Examples would be helpful in buttressing your claim. You support Coinbase and BSV, do I really need to add anything more than that? Yes, you do. Coinbase as opposed to what? Binance? BitFinex? BSV as opposed to what? BTC? From a fundamental analysis they are exactly as centralized as each other. Kraken and Gemini In what manner are Kraken or Gemini more decentralized than Coinbase? Why do BSvers always try to redefine the definition of decentralization? Are there no arguments you can come up with that don't require redefining meaning of words?
What the fuck are you babbling about now? As you seem to be accusing me of redefining 'decentralization', perhaps you might be so kind as to provide me with your personal definition thereof. Umm the decentralized part was referring to BTC vs your scamcoin, and not the exchanges. The exchanges were suggested as alternatives to Coinbase, seems like everyone got that part except for you. Are you not on top of your game cause your scam coin dropped bellow Cardano by market cap today? No worries, just hit up Ayre to pump it by 20% for old times sake |
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So I have tried a few times to download the Coinbase app needed to sign up for the Coinbase debit card. Each time I get "This is not supported in your country".
I use a VPN to set my IP in the US so is it not supported in the US? Or is it somehow detecting that I'm really in Panama?
Also, I finally got around to filing my extortion papers for the IRS.
Getting married helped keep me from needing to pay any taxes.
Land of the free...where you have to file your taxes even if you haven't stepped foot in the country all year.
Did you give it permission to access your location? Or might've gotten blacklisted first time app called home without VPN. But seriously go with Gemini or anything would be better than Coinbase |
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He tends to support centralization and trusted third partys for some unknown reason. Makes me wonder sometimes why he supports bitcoin? Examples would be helpful in buttressing your claim. You support Coinbase and BSV, do I really need to add anything more than that? Yes, you do. Coinbase as opposed to what? Binance? BitFinex? BSV as opposed to what? BTC? From a fundamental analysis they are exactly as centralized as each other. Kraken and Gemini Why do BSvers always try to redefine the definition of decentralization? Are there no arguments you can come up with that don't require redefining meaning of words?  |
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Hv dont even know what bitcoin is LOL
I know. But many are mixing coins - lagally not compliant Mixing code - not compliant to specs and code definitions And mixing also tickes for Bitcoin And more crap from that space https://youtu.be/YfM09W9KU5INo coinbase ico - cause not complaint  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JurisdictionUgh we gonna do this again, no one cares about your NewWorldOrder, controlled by US legal system, coin. And it's even more moronic to think that it can be forced onto the internet through some lawsuits. Until ... ? U wanna change rules ? Apes helped a lot last million years to get you where you are Including such rules you hate, cause you don't get more than others? Lol If you gonna shill try using full sentences. You do realize that there are other countries outside of US right? I'm not in US why should i give a fuck about your silly rules?  You want to create NewWorldOrder BSv coin, go for it, just stop fooling yourself that you can force everyone on the internet to accept it. Look up Streisand effect, napster, etc... to see how such things worked out before More lol, Any of those baby examples happened NOT in most regulated regimes. You play financial markets now? So learn the rules. Potentially the hard way soon Nothing to do with any ticker or tech btw How do you expect to get newbies into your scam like this? You're not even posting coherent sentences anymore, you'll probably be deducted you shilling pay today. Pick up your game or you'll be replaced...again. |
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