Energy efficiency of these asics doesnt matter for the overall picture. More energy efficient designs would just lead to a much higher network hashrate, but at the same overall power consumption as a very inefficient (but comparably cheap to produce) asic. Only electricity price and the bitcoin value (and perhaps transaction fees) will determine how much electricity the network will use. And its not gong to be very green, especially if bitcoin value rises to thousands or tens of thousands of dollars as some think.
More energy efficient designs will be slightly profitable while old models probably not anymore. Considering the same electricity cost of course It doesn't matter, people will just buy more of the efficient units until any profit is absorbed again by the difficulty increases. What we need is a few mining farms to go bust and fold to show the rest of the miners that corporate mining farms are not a viable model, then perhaps a little bit of sanity will creep in. Thousands of home users mining with no air con or data center rental or wages to pay, can cope with high difficulty better than the corporate model.
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You want to talk about a waste of electricity? Bitcoin mining is nothing lol, just a tiny drop in the ocean of wastefulness for the sake of our phoney economy.
Only about the output of a small nuclear power station, and increasing as the difficulty rises. Like I said, it's nothing compared to other stuff. We consume over 140,000 TWh each year. Do you know how much power the entertainment industry consumes? Or the IT industry? Or gold mining besides the environmental damage it does? Even the minting/transport of our fiat currency costs more in power than bitcoin mining does. Do your homework please. So you are suggesting that crypto miners should do nothing about energy waste because other industries waste more? That's kind of pathetic really. For starters it effects profits, and secondly there is nothing physical been produced.
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Is this project still alive?
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Here is some basic Internet info for noobs.
Assume the site owners, your ISP, your email provider can read or bypass your passwords as required.
Never use the same password on two different sites.
Assume everything you type is being recorded.
Do no click on email enclosures from people you don't know.
As for MCXnow, the site probably works better than most of the exchanges out there, it has some great features like earning interest on your deposits every 6 hours, and payban which is a real hoot.
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With efficiency 7w/gh/s whole network uses somewhere between 10 and 20 MW. And most of asics are more efficient than that. That's nowhere near small nuclear power plant
You are pulling energy figures out of the air, earlier this year they were talking about 650watt per GH/s with all the GPU miners. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-12/virtual-bitcoin-mining-is-a-real-world-environmental-disaster.htmlHowever I look at it this way, we are currently mining about 5,000 coins per day, each one worth around $140 and people will keep adding gear until almost all that money goes in electricity/aircon bills. At 15c per kWh that's a lot of electricity.
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KnC has 1000 units left to ship = 500Th = 71mil diff till end of october = next jump 220mil, my guess
You think BFL stopped shipping all of their ~3000TH backlog ? Bitfury stopped shipping and expanding (~+100TH or so in their private mine alone this month so far)? You sure asicminer will not deploy zero of the 500TH this month as friedcat claimed? Then there is the slim chance Hashfast would actually deliver on their promise. We already looking at 240-260M next week without any of the above. Good luck betting on 220 by the end of the month HashFast - already stated that in BEST case scenario shipping starts first week of november. ASICminer - dont know Bitfury - few TH BFL - few TH (with they babies 5,25,50) EDIT: im betting 220 for next jump not the end of the month! , Both BFL and Bitfury have shipped hundreds of TH/s in the past month or so, not just a few TH/s, obviously KNCminer are shipping at least a PH/s in October, and more on the way in November. Things are starting to get really ugly for the big expensive data center based farms. ASICminer are only about 2% of the nethash atm, if Hashfast ship on time the 1,000 diff in December is a reasonable guess. I don't think the net hash growth is going to slow much before 5PH/s is reached, it's all one classic waste of electricity right at the time the climate doesn't need wasted energy. You want to talk about a waste of electricity? Bitcoin mining is nothing lol, just a tiny drop in the ocean of wastefulness for the sake of our phoney economy. Only about the output of a small nuclear power station, and increasing as the difficulty rises.
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When did btcchina start this "0% trade fee" promotion everyone is touting?
I thought the promotion was only for getting fiat into the exchange, doing trades has a normal fee. I can't read Chinese, so if anyone could confirm.
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BFL said they did their tape out back in August.
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Have Cointerra done tape out yet?
They said they did 2 months ago. Once again wrong. Cointerra has never stated they have either started or completed the tapeout. My bad. I thought he was asking about BFL. Cointerra led on that tapeout was done a couple months ago but they have never outright stated this. I mean, the chip has to be done by now if they're shipping end product in less than 3 months. Cointerra said on their press release last month that tape out was scheduled for the first week of October, I just want to know if that happened, because that's as late as you would want to be for pre-Xmas shipping.
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Have Cointerra done tape out yet?
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Is this some kind of a hedge by the Chinese public against the $USD crashing if they can't raise the debt ceiling this week?
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KnC has 1000 units left to ship = 500Th = 71mil diff till end of october = next jump 220mil, my guess
You think BFL stopped shipping all of their ~3000TH backlog ? Bitfury stopped shipping and expanding (~+100TH or so in their private mine alone this month so far)? You sure asicminer will not deploy zero of the 500TH this month as friedcat claimed? Then there is the slim chance Hashfast would actually deliver on their promise. We already looking at 240-260M next week without any of the above. Good luck betting on 220 by the end of the month HashFast - already stated that in BEST case scenario shipping starts first week of november. ASICminer - dont know Bitfury - few TH BFL - few TH (with they babies 5,25,50) EDIT: im betting 220 for next jump not the end of the month! , Both BFL and Bitfury have shipped hundreds of TH/s in the past month or so, not just a few TH/s, obviously KNCminer are shipping at least a PH/s in October, and more on the way in November. Things are starting to get really ugly for the big expensive data center based farms. ASICminer are only about 2% of the nethash atm, if Hashfast ship on time the 1,000 diff in December is a reasonable guess. I don't think the net hash growth is going to slow much before 5PH/s is reached, it's all one classic waste of electricity right at the time the climate doesn't need wasted energy. Anyone worked out how many kWh per BTC? I guess the average power consumption would be over 2watt per GH/s atm. must work out to well over 500kWh per coin when you factor in dater center aircon.
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except that Cointerra hasn't even taped out yet, seems to be late at doing so, and most importantly seems to have disappeared.
Are you sure they haven't taped out? If that's the case, then there is no way they will be shipping in December, remember factories wind down a couple of weeks before Xmas.
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Yeah i would like to know aswell, Could we PLEASE get back on topic! The Cointerra chip is 500GH/s isn't it? The BFL is 300GH/s.
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Have they fixed the coin so it runs on any other platform than Windows? It's been over a month.
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Personally...............screw BFL & Avalon,be it 2nd gen,3rd gen,4th gen..........period!!!!!!!!!! I will not give them one red cent.......unless & I find thier stuff Ebay.......& it is EXTREMELY cheap Which,in few weeks it will be...or better be Definitely not BFL, ever again! It's interesting that a lot of people are saying that, which makes me wonder, who are the people placing orders for Monarchs, why are they not aware of BFL's enormous production delays on every ASIC product? The time delay between payment, and starting hashing, is the most critical think in ASIC mining, those that do badly at that, seldom get repeat business.
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300X Saturn order, paid July 11, in progress. 364X Jupiter oder, paid July 15, in progress. One more week to ship?? Sh**! Order #20xx paid june 12th, hosting, I have received neither account info to access my unit, nor compensation. I've written two days ago to ask for info... no answer so far. spiccioli glad to see a 20xx order is now hosted/mining??, sorry you can't get into your miner yet spic...this means my order isn't too far behind I hope! It looks like all hosted customers are getting shafted and skipped over in the queue. It's a really messed up way to treat your loyal customers. Sorry to sound like a troll, but really, people who are paying for hosting instead of keeping their costs down to the tune of $3,960 per Jupiter, are not thinking though this very well. You have a tight window to get a positive ROI on ASICs, throwing away thousands for hosting, and you are obviously not all that concerned with maximizing profits anyway.
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I was thinking about making my dice site take all profits and distribute them as a faucet to help spread it around but honestly, there is no point with the volume of the site and the number a few people hold.
Won't work, only a small fraction of crypto users are into dice, you need something like: https://market.feathercoin.com/index.phpA market like SR without the illegal content so it doesn't need to be on Tor.
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You are speculating. If Bitfury's next chip design is not compatible with the chained design of the existing chips, then it's not going to work chips/cards/minit planes etc. How about wait until Bitfury actually announce a new chip design before continuing with this type of discussion? It's not entirely unreasonable. He wants to know if he will be able to upgrade his existing miner with new daughterboards. It's quite possible this could be the case if Bitfury uses the same hardware interface (pinouts), even if the chips are designed to work completely different. You are of course right that there cannot be any guarantee of this at this time unless Bitfury himself commits to a future interface. Are the BFL Monarch chips compatible with 1st gen BFL products? That's the first of the 2nd. generation announcements so far that I have seen. The answer of course is a resounding no. BFL have gone down the path of reduced chip count, with a lot more GH/s. If it were me designing asic chips, my 2nd gen would be a drop in replacement for the 1st gen if my target market was the DIY board designers, that way you get the boards out there as fast a possible. The main thing to remember, is chips designers learn from their 1st gen efforts, and could easily come up with a better way of doing things that breaks compatibility with their past offerings. There is no reason to maintain compatibility if you have found a better way of doing something, just for the sake of keeping the same pcb designs.
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