the law of bitcoin I like that. |
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This is one big virtual pissing contest. There needs to be a better way to make these decisions. Way too many people involved. This is a case where a little centralization might be better.
Bitcoin is fully centralized. Whatever GMax says - goes. Until Chinese miners grow balls, highly unlikely, the blockchain belongs to Blockstream. |
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Why does everyone just stand around doing nothing while nullc / Blockstream / GMax takes over Bitcoin?
Required has been done to neuter Craig Steven Wright / Gavin Andresen / Mike Hearn. RocketSingh = little lamb. |
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Your complete and utter refusal to answer a single question I posed to you is duly noted. What exactly makes you think I was not around at the time? My registration date at this forum?
Yes. Were you active in the community under another name at the time? You belong to the group of people (like Gavin), who think that Bitcoin's future can be assured by negotiating with government.
Now you are just fabricating things of whole cloth. Complete and utter bullshit. First, I don't believe -- and never have believed -- that negotiating with government is important to Bitcoin's success. Use your brain - nobody in a decentralized system is in any position whatsoever to negotiate on behalf of the system. Any such negotiations are null and void by definition. Second, please cite any evidence that you have supporting your assertion that "Gavin... think(s) that Bitcoin's future can be assured by negotiating with government." I'm going to guess you are going to once more completely evade this challenge. Surprise me? In the case of Bitcoin, it's outright idiocy to approach governmental bodies, because Bitcoin poses a direct threat to their power.
It's even dangerous, because you hand over information to people, whose sole interest is to maintain and expand their superior position.
Now you've gone full-on stupid. Just what secret knowledge, with which the CIA could crush this nascent uprising, was available from Gavin alone in a freeking open source project? Gavin Andresen accepting invitations to speak at the CIA and the Council on Foreign relations thwart the motive for Bitcoin's creation.
Another wild ass assertion, completely devoid of any supporting evidence. In what way did Gavin's accepting these speaking invitations 'thwart the motive for Bitcoin's creation'? In addition Gavin never made full disclosure of the contents of his discussions during these meetings.
He described the discussions in general terms. What do you expect? A line-by-line transcript rendered accurately word-for-word from memory? Has the new leadership of Blockstream changed their objectives and motivations to take over Bitcoin? |
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is there any transcript of it?
the audio is really bad and and i just cannot understand most of it (i'm not from english country)
Not much point on transcribing this interview, Perianne didn't say anything valuable aside of making goofy statements like saying that ACH and SWIFT are blockchains. If you want a summary, someone on reddit summarized her goofs on the podcast. Did she file the lawsuit yet? Dunno, but I hope so. It'd just give Chris Derose ground to make fun of her even more. Has she left the scene completely? |
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Everyone's bitcoins will be doubled! Why would anyone not want a hard fork?
want to fork away? clam coin check it out. there are your "double coin" statistics I want double bitcoins, not double clams. |
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Does it mean that our BTC are to be doubled on the altchain?
Yes, and the cross chain TX problem thing, will be fixed. if you simply HODL both your core coins and your BU coins, i think you'll be in the green pretty much the whole time. but i do believe BU will initially be under valued and eventually be the winner so i think it would make a lot of sense to allocate a slightly larger % of your coins into BU coins, if for no other reason that there will be more upside potential for BU given that BU starts off at like 5-10$ even if you think the odds are low that BU will eventually come out on top,at 5-10$ its a speculative bet you have to take. Everyone's bitcoins will be doubled! Why would anyone not want a hard fork? |
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Bitcoin Unlimited will join the altcoin cementery soon along with Bitcoin XT and Bitcoin Classic. By next year we should have segwit activated already.
In the moment of truth people know it's stupid to gamble with developers, and the Core devs are the most solid devs.
OMG what a Kool-Aid drinker. SegWit and LN is not Bitcoin. It is CoreAltCoin. ...and it is stupid. Fucking stupid. Core/Blockstream is the biggest scam in Bitcoin. They are trying to take over. |
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- 8% in one day. Prepare to lose it all.
Sell ALL your coins! BTC is scam  True |
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- 8% in one day. Prepare to lose it all.
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Maybe this time the world is facing an era in which Asian countries reveals itself in the world economic stage. china is now peg the market price is very cheap, so for other countries makes it possible to love the products at low prices. : D
"love the products at low prices" that is for sure. But how do we convince the dirty fuckers to stop spitting on the floor? |
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Exactly. One of the malicious actors trying to hold Bitcoin hostage is Roger Ver, who has significant investment interests in various altcoins. There is overwhelming agreement by the developing and scientific community that SegWit is the best concept currently available to allow Bitcoin to scale without sacrificing decentralization
ya.ya.yo!
Dumbass. Bitcoin is already fully centralized as it is completely under total control by Blockstream, a private for profit entity. They continue to put forth radical changes including SegWit and LN and continue to shield these changes by saying their alt is 'bitcoin'. This SegWit/LN alt is not Bitcoin. Bitcoin was hijacked because 1MegGreg has centralized control of the commit access and he managed to run off everyone with ideas that don't agree with the Blockstream objectives of privatizing the blockchain. They can easily go launch their alt on their own blockchain if they like. But they know that will fail. They need to force the Bitcoin user base onto their chain and for this they need to push SegWit and LN onto the original Bitcoin to control that well established user base. SegWit and LN is bullshit. It is not Bitcoin. Repeating the same nonsense over and over again in the hope of it becoming truth is the same as trying to make a dog out of a pile of its poo-poo. It just doesn't work. Either you just like to insult people or you have been indoctrinated by the moles Hearn and Andresen. You totally fail to see reality here. Bitcoin can't scale on chain in an efficient way and preserve a decentralized network without a solution for micro transactions. SegWit and Lightning Network are an ingenious method to solve the capacity limitations of Bitcoin without exposing the Bitcoin network to governmental control. If you think that is not Bitcoin than you should leave and embrace your favorite altcoin. In fact it will be a win for the quality and mode of discussion in this forum. ya.ya.yo! should leave Bitcoin and take Blockstream to embrace your favorite altcoin which is SegWit/LN. SegWit/LN is not Bitcoin. Your dog shit story is just dumb. You are a moron for drinking the Blockstream Kool-Aid and coming here to sell their vision to move the Bitcoin user base to their very stupid proprietary altcoin. |
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I would rather have the current developers { 1MegGreg = funny } have the keys, than NSA agents like Gavin/Hearn. If we wanted someone
to sabotage this experiment even further than they have done, we would have left them in charge. The Lightning Network is going to happen,
and we will soon see, if the community wants it or not. Damn, consensus is a MFker!
I fucking LOVE the Lightning Network. It should happen! Let it happen. I hope it fucking happens tomorrow. But they should launch it under their own private brand. They shouldn't try to force the Bitcoin user base into their privately owned altcoin. This is mere trickery and hoodwinking going on. Blockstream knows they can't launch LN - even if it is greatly superior to anything else - as an alt. They must hijack the Bitcoin user base, convince them that SegWit and LN is Bitcoin, and then get rid of the real Bitcoin. They are largely successful because they have convinced a few powerful Chinese miners that their technical expertise is superior. But, these same miners will be left out as soon as the new fee plan for LN is revealed a year or two after launch. The majority of value people pay for transactions (today about 2% - via the card schemes) will be going to the administration of LN - not to the miners who will get stuck with a fixed rate. That fixed rate will be enough to keep them alive - but far, far smaller than 2% of all transactions. Then, all the power will be with Blockstream, and there will no longer be a mining concensus. What am I talking about!!! There is no longer a decentralized mining corps. Blockstream has ALREADY taken over mining 100% ~85% via their influence on a few powerful Chinese miners. If we had no ASICs and giant mining farms, but rather 10,000 GPUs, there would be no such thing as SegWit and LN; nor Blockstream for that matter. |
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Exactly. One of the malicious actors trying to hold Bitcoin hostage is Roger Ver, who has significant investment interests in various altcoins. There is overwhelming agreement by the developing and scientific community that SegWit is the best concept currently available to allow Bitcoin to scale without sacrificing decentralization
ya.ya.yo!
Dumbass. Bitcoin is already fully centralized as it is completely under total control by Blockstream, a private for profit entity. They continue to put forth radical changes including SegWit and LN and continue to shield these changes by saying their alt is 'bitcoin'. This SegWit/LN alt is not Bitcoin. Bitcoin was hijacked because 1MegGreg has centralized control of the commit access and he managed to run off everyone with ideas that don't agree with the Blockstream objectives of privatizing the blockchain. They can easily go launch their alt on their own blockchain if they like. But they know that will fail. They need to force the Bitcoin user base onto their chain and for this they need to push SegWit and LN onto the original Bitcoin to control that well established user base. SegWit and LN is bullshit. It is not Bitcoin. |
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I do not give a fuck what the ratio will be, because I know people will warm up to SegWit as soon as they see the impact it will have on the network. We will be able to fit more transactions into a block, without having to increase the Block size, just by ignoring data that are not going to be used. We also spank malleable transactions & increase security and it also has the potential to decrease bandwidth requirements for SPV nodes. We now have a network geared for the next evolution to the LN. ^smile^ So play around with ratios all you want, we do not care. Has anyone identified any real downside or risk with SegWit? I've not heard of any. So the only reason I can think of for someone to oppose SegWit is just to hold it hostage (keeping under the 95% threshold for activation) while promoting their own alternative scheme. I would hope such a tactic fails, as there is nothing preventing worthy alternatives from being implemented later on their own merits. SegWit has a very high attack vector cross section. It is a big chunk of shitty untested code. Whereas BU we just change the '1' to '2' in a few lines of code and nothing else changes. Malleability isn't a real problem. MtGox just made that shit up to blame their hack. SegWit only does one thing, it gets Bitcoin in a good condition for Blockstream to be its daddy by imposing their Lightning Network right on it. Oh sure, at first it will be 'free'. It will be 'open source' - lol. That one kills me. Bitcoin is not even open source. Let's face it, 1MegGreg has the commit keys and he is committing changes he likes and not allowing changes others (Hearn, Gavin, others) propose. SegWit and LN - is not Bitcoin. That is merely an alt. A really fucking dumb alt too. Just because Blockstream/Core have the commit keys, they try to call it 'Bitcoin' - but it isn't anything like Bitcoin. It is an alt. |
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That's so fuckin real, spitting is better than are loving for defecating anywhere, this so pathetic but this so fuckin real.
I've seen this old Chine lady about 85 spit up a fat ugly green one. I couldn't believe it. It was like a damn mouse came out of her. She must have spent a lot of years smoking some weird assed shit. I really can't figure out why they like spitting on the carpet. I've never been to China - don't they have carpets there? |
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a hard fork does not...
soft fork is able...
There are 154,423 threads about whether or not it is a good idea to fork. This is not one of those threads. In this thread, you are to assume the contentious hard fork has already happened. Then, you are asked to guess the value ratio on the two prongs of the fork. If you are a complete moron with reading difficulties, then just answer another question about anything you like. But, if you actually do have the ability to read, then answer the fucking question. You guys are worse than Hillary. Answer the question that is asked or just shut the fuck up already. |
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In a competitive market you have to be innovative and have some brains to do a sustainable business,the Chinese did not put anyone out of business instead they went out of business because of lack of innovation,nobody stopped anyone in the process and so no one is to be blamed here Chines put everyone out of business. No more manufacturing in any country. Chines are too good. Sam Cole is sleeping in the streets and losing weight fast because he lost everything due to Chines. But that doesn't stop Chines from spitting on the floor in places where they shouldn't. Those fucking Chines love spitting on things. That's for sure. |
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The fork is coming soon. Core will go with SegWit 1MB. BU will go with >=2MB no SegWit. After two weeks and one year, what do you think the ratio of value will be Core:BU?
RawDog says 14 days after fork, ratio will be: 2.8:1. 1:1 after one year.
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Bitcoin will be never die bro.
I think It will be more valuable in next years.
It already died bro. Just because it still has value due to lingering speculative idiots, the network is broken without any reasonable scaling solution. There is a stalemate for two years now where one party Blockstream wants to rig up an alt to replace bitcoin so their proprietary system gets going. While the otherside big blockers want to scale on chain. But, Blockstream controls commit access and decides what goes in the next version of software. The system is dead. Just because morons pay $600 - doesn't somehow mean the software is functional. The software is fucked. Bitcoin is dead. Died a long time ago. |
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