Halo agan-agan semua pencinta forum bitcointalk terutama local board Indonesia.

Dengan adanya implementasi sistem baru yang diberi nama "merit", banyak terjadi pro dan kontra terhadap sistem baru tersebut teruta di bagian Meta.

Diskusinya bisa agan temukan di :
Tapi bagi yang kurang paham dengan bahasa inggris mengenai seluk beluk merit gan, kita bisa diskusi di sini sambil meilhat data infographic yang saya buat dari thread saya mengenai voting tentang perasaan member terhadap merit (dalam bahasa inggris) di bagian Meta. Kurang lebih thread ini saya buat hampir sama maksudnya dengan thread pertama saya, yaitu untuk mengetahui perasaan agan-agan sekalian mengenai merit. Perlu digaris bawahi, ini hanyalah voting untuk mengetahui perasaan agan-agan semua, bukan untuk dijadikan sebagai alat menjatuhkan sistem merit tersebut.

Btw, ini data infographic yang saya dapatkan dari 100 voters dan beberapa data yang ada di thread orisinil saya.



Saya pribadi suka dan setuju dengan sistem merit ini karena ke depannya akan mengubah pola postingan kita semua, yang awalnya hanya bersifat spam, nantinya akan lebih berkualitas dan berbobot. Bagaimana dengan perasaan dan tanggapan agan-agan sekalian?

Nantinya data yang terkumpul di thread ini bisa saya buatkan infographicnya untuk versi user bitcointalk di lokal board Indonesia ini.\

Salam, athanz88.

Yes merit purposes is too get rid of low quality posts in the forum, and it will happen in the future. And you can not judge the system now because it is just only 2 weeks from the update till now, we need time to make it fully functioning.


What you are seeing now is because merit system is forcing people to make posts. It is natural that people join popular thread to get merits. But later on if they only do low quality post, they will realize that it is hard to rank up and eventually they will leave the forum or they will step up their game, and we will only see normal to high quality posts later on the future, but not now. And to make it works, the system need all of the forum member (especially who can give merits) to give merits to people which is worthy of it, it is kinda like encouraging people to do good things, it is a simple things but means a lot to people.

And FYI, there are some low rank members that is happy, agree, and confidence with the merit system even on your thread, and of course in my thread too, i even make infographic for it, feel free to check it at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2822349.0

Yeah, and most of them people is at the "low member ranks" category according to the statistic i gathered. But Some of it (57%, 16 people i count on this thread) are happy with the system because they agree with the system which can make a better forum and encourage good posters.
There is a better option for the whiners rather than leaving, which is to realize that this is the good system and should be embraced by him/her and start learning and doing something good for the better oh him/her.

By the way, congratz man, 187 merits wow, thats a good achievement.

After the refund session, i wish this project will come back to make another ICO, and here it is now, with the adjusted 4m usd softcap and 12m usd hardcap and not to mention one of well-known bitcointalk member is one of their advisor now.

And hey, i got a notification for the private pre-sale. Time to invest !

I already see the post for the sMerit they give each other, im not a russian native speaker,  but for a post like that he got 15+28 merits? Wow, that is a great number. I made a statistic with chart for my thread on how does people feel about merit system in the first week of it (with the data gathered from poll and from my thread) and i only gathered 4 points up till now since i post the infographic update, life is really have a lot of unfair things. I guess if the post is really good, then it will atract more people to give merits, not just by 2 people who gives a big amount of merits.

Well from my data which i gathered from this thread, there are some low rank members ( newbie, jr. member, and member) that is happy with merit system and not afraid to compete with others. If some of them (57%) can say they are happy, then i guess they wont leave the forum, but unfortunately some other (43%) do not happy about them and there is a chance that they will leave the forum. But when the system running properly, i guess they wont even talk about it in the future how they trash this system in the early time of the implementation.

There is already a manager who applied this rule, the campaign starts last week, just not too long after the merit system was introduced. I guess this is the future for the campaign in a near time, since merit indicates (hopefully) people who did a great posts, so it is natural that people with higher merit will get a better payment than other in the same rank who doesnt have merit.
This is the payment rate for my campaign


This is the link to the campaign if you want to look at it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827626.0

Well i guess it is still better if they only have 10 Jr. Members account rather than if they have 10 high rank accounts because they can rank up just because they posted shit. And you still missed out the trend now. For campaign, some manager already applied merit as a requirement, if they dont have it, they will get lower payment rate. So it will eventually discouraged people who is always finding an easy way to get money because things will be hard from now on. Luckily, based on my poll and data i gathered from my thread, there are some low rank members who is being positive with this merit point system.
You guys can check my infographic that i made from my thread in here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29502964#msg29502964

Do not worry about merit point system, if you are a worthy person, you will surely get the points of merit point system.

And to answer your question, this is some statistic that i gather on my thread, there is an interesting fact about low rank member upon this merit system



As you can see from the yellow box at the right, low rank member is the most rank that is affected by this system, but some of them are happy and agree of this point and some dont but the number is bigger on the agreement of this system. This mean that some low rank members are a positive person and wont leave forum just because of this.
If you want to check my thread you can come to here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2822349.0


(i use a lower resolution for the graphic, the original one is on my thread)

Thanks TMAN, it is okay, i didnt take anything from what you ve said before, if i did, maybe i wont gather this data. I just want to look about this merit point from the perspective of the user's feeling. Just want to see how they feel about it in the early and how they feel about it later after a few months. So later i can make some conclusion again for the future.

And maybe you can invite your friends to look at the statistic and give comment or suggestion.

After i run my thread about "How Do You Feel About Merit System?" for 2 weeks up till now, i got my data to make some infographic and statistic, thanks to all the voters.
And i made some abbreviation for MERIT, LOL.



I make this statistic because i just want to know about the feelings of member, not for taking down the merit system, in fact, i love the system.
In the yellow box, i highlight things that is crucial after merit system applied, which are :
1. Feelings' of the members of this forum
2. Will this system make someone who is new give up on the forum (can be read as does people still want to join bct forum after there is a merit system)

Feel free to discuss here if you guys want , and if you want to vote again, i will unlock my vote so you guys can vote again, you can find my thread here (or if you want to discuss it there) :



Best regards,
athanz88

Well it is hard to earn it because we are at the early stage of the merit point system. What you said is true that merit point is limited, but the circulatory amount of it will be increased in a fast rate. How come so? Let me break it for you.
If 'merit sources' can make maximum 200 smerit point out of nothing (I don't know the exact number of how many points a 'source' can make per month), then that 200 point can be used up to 397-398 point (200+100+25+12+6+3+1=397 points) and if we have  40 'merit sources' then it will be up to 16000 points of smerit to distribute to other members. It is only from 'merit sources', all member with high rank has smerit that can be given too even thought it wont be replenished per month basis like 'merit sources' do, and if the maximum number of smerit from 'sources' is increased, we can see even higher number to be distributed among all the worthy posters.

Well, There are many cases like what you have been experienced recently. They are complaining on the official merit thread created by theymos but up until now there is no moves from admin to 'fix' your problem, because it is not a kind of unfairness. But theymos already stated on the official thread if someone really deserves to get the promotion to next rank (if they have been posting high quality posts up till now) then people should help that person.
Just keep doing the great work, learn English, leanr about cryptocurrency, make high quality posts, and I'm sure you can get your merits.

P.S : here is a link that maybe useful for you. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2832127.0 , it is a thread that has a list of all thread that can give you merit points if you do the job right.

A 'like' system like social media would be more appropriate than this crappy merit point system? Are you sure?  Then how about people who have 10-20 alt accounts? They will likely to get 'like' spammed across all of  their account without doing much thing. Post anything shit and spammy, then they will have likes from their alts. It can not be used to against spam and shitposting, it will just encourage them to do more. And nowadays 1 person can have multiple devices that can access internet like pc, notebook, smartphone, imagine how much 'like' will be spammed across their alt accounts.

Okay, first of all, we are facing merit system now, so it cant be applied to the people who get the rank before the system applied. They got that because they are in this forum for long and play by the rules back then and they got the ranks. Maybe they are not a good quality poster, but nothing can be done right now.

Secondly, lets think about this merit points as a score for you when you are in a college or work.



I am not going to discuss about politics, but it is just a real life law that is applied to this forum, and people thinks that they are free from the real world when they are on the internet.

Making a cap on how much merit can be given to someone's post is a good suggestion, but it is like a two sided sword for the community. While the suggestion is good for the distribution of merit points, it will discourage other people who wants to make a high quality posts with interesting way like infographic etc (we ve seen infographic now, maybe later someone can level up the game by using GIF or video) in the future. And later, people will not do extraordinary things to get merits, just posting good enough will give their merits, because merit point amount will be increased in the circulatory of this system in the future. So for me, making a cap is good, but not 1-2 merit points per post, maybe about 15-20 points per post.

More of the 'Full Member rank who can not go to Sr. Member in time because of merit system' rants. In my opinion, you deserve the swearing from a Jr. Member because you are a full member but didn't even consider that making this post will make you look like a dumb person, because there is already official thread about merit from Theymos. I am even surprised of the fact that a Full Member rank making a thread that is only have a little information about merit points in it while there is a thread about all information for merit point system rather than seeing a Jr. Member swearing to higher rank then him/her.

And I can see clearly there is something mentioned about individual users get sMerit to spend on others on the thread.
Learn to read till the end of the post.

I have some posts that are deleted from the forum by moderator. It is a sad thing when your post is deleted by the mods. But now I know why my posts are deleted, either  it is off topic or spamming or both. And if you do it in several times, your account can be deleted by admin or mods because you break the rules and they have the right to do it. It is for the better of this forum too, because if there are too many spam posts or bad posts, it will decrease the quality of the forum too, so it is their job to keep the forum to have a good name.
Instead of complaining, I suggest you learn English because it is the language used in this forum outside the local board ( and you can use English in real life too for your activity or work or business, so it is a win-win solution), then try to learn about cryptocurrency.

For your information, this forum is owned by a person because he made the idea and made it real with some hosting job, coding job, etc. That person also pays for the fees of moderators and other things to make this forums goes well. You, me, and others are all only people who gathers here to talk about cryptocurrency, and some to try to get money from it. You don't even pay a single bit USD to the owner yet you claim this is an open forum and before something implemented in this forum they need to consider what the users want. Hello, wake up please !
As for your question no 2, why all people not given the same merit, zero. I believe it is also for the sake of new member too. Imagine if all people starts with 0, I bet all high rank member who is friend to each other will give merit to each other because with their experience, most likely only them will make a good and high quality posts and then all the lower rank will be ignored, resulting to much more time to rank up.

Not all legendary members are equals, in term of posting, learning, or even popularity. So it is their fault if they are legendary but still didn't achieve that skills. I guess they are only legendary just because they are signature spammer. And I guess popularity is the key on this. If they re popular enough, I guess it is because they already done something for this forum.

1 question for OP, if all legendary starts from 0, who will help to give you all merit points besides sources?
Making all member to have 0 merit will only make you rank up even slower because all legendary will only give merits to legendary members because they re the most likely to make a high quality and agree-able posts.