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1521  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Belarus wants to ban bitcoin P2P transactions on: July 03, 2023, 01:33:55 PM
They banned unemployment, then inflation, then war, P2P is easy, they don't need to even enforce it, just a wink and it's done! /s

There is nothing that can stop P2P trading. It can only be reduced.

Yeah, except you're not talking about democracy but a state-controlled communist dictatorship in which you can get picked up from your apartment because you put the wrong smiley in a comment! When facing 20 years in a re-education center, do you honestly think people will keep on doing p2p deals when they already know the state controls every bank and every transaction out there?

Bitcoin P2P transactions cannot be banned. There is no mechanism with which to detect that a Bitcoin transaction has been made, let alone detect who has made a transaction[1], since you can broadcast a transaction with a completely different IP address outside of Belarus' authority.

Yes, it is!
It's called a firing squad and after seeing it in action a few times your survival instincts will actively block you from signing any tx!  Wink
Besides, they don't care about bitcoins going over the border or inside the country, what they care is about the fiat moved, and in Belarus, they can track that easier than you can count pennies in your wallet as nearly all payment solutions are either completely or partly state-owned. And if it's not the state of Belarus that owns it it's either Gazprom or Russia!

You are very correct. I wonder what mechanism they are going to put in place to be able tell if a particular set of bitcoin transactions are from P2P users.

A simple mechanism that will trigger an alarm when you initiate a cash transaction to a guy that is not your family member and who has a few other transactions from his bank account at random hours to different people in different towns. Just invite everyone to the police station for an interview and face them with two choices, either tell your whole history since you've been born or go and volunteer to conquer Ukraine.
Remember that when you send Bitcoin to somebody it's because you want to receive cash, not because you want to receive Bitcoins back!

Guys, this is not the US or Canada or France, when you know, you have things called rights!

1522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Not your keys, Not your coins" is not enough on: July 03, 2023, 12:42:13 PM
However, every time I read this on the internet, people stop at the Bitcoin storage step. That's not enough. There's another important step: exchanging Bitcoin.
So why not just advise and tell people to stop using CEX entirely? Bitcoin is by nature decentralized, why make it centralized?

Because most think like this
- you need to find a trader that matches your offer, which is not so easy
- it's more costly as with a CEX they survive on the trade fees, with a P2P the guy that is always there to handle your exchange is doing this for money also, so the rates will be lower, and also you're going to pay the transfer fees

- are you uncomfortable with CEX knowing your name and face? Then are you happy with a total stranger on the internet knowing your full name and bank account when you do a so-called P2P exchange?
- with a CEX you always think you have support, you send some coins, you exchange them, and that's it, there is no third party with which you have to dispute sanctions, there is no fear of somebody doing a chargeback, there is no fear that you might have just bought coins from somebody who is going to be raided tomorrow and he has your contact as last person called in his list

Some will reply that CEX users choose "convenience ". Even that's not true! How is passing your KYC to Binance and using their UI easier than installing/using the Peachbitcoin (for example) app? It’s not! The only reason CEXs are in this position is because they benefit from substantial advertising resources.

I have to install an app, meh! Is it open source? Nope!
I'm giving my name and my bank details for a SEPA transfer, I am!
So, what's the difference?

Don't get me wrong, I completely hate CEX, I hate the charade that is called bitcoin cards with a visa logo, and I hate Binance and CZ probably the most on this entire forum, but let's not ignore facts, CEX are more convenient, that's why they are used because I don't have to contact some stranger, I don't have to log in my bank accounts and make a payment to exactly Quassam Bon Loden of exactly 1446.6 Euros to this account AD1400080001001234567890 and not one wrong letter and number.

Let's not even go into daily trading as that's impossible in P2P.
1523  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: keep a small mining farm cool with only air conditioners. on: July 03, 2023, 12:15:24 PM
What I am counting on here is the ambient temp, see according to my understanding of these BTU ratings, it's the amount of heat that can be removed per hour, which means if we were to picture a scenario as follows:

A miner using 3kw would generate 10,236 BTU per hour, so if we use a 10,236 BTU those BTUs coming from the miner will be kicked outside and the room temp will be identical to the outside temp.

Based on that (assuming it's correct) if the outside temp in the above example was 15c, then I would need less cooling, simply put, I don't need the mining room to be at 15c, I am okay with 30c, which means probably using half the 10,236 cooling BTU will be enough to keep the room at 30c while the outside temp is 15c.

Hmm, I'm a bit curious about this one since checking the manual on our farm (not mining, true farm oink oink) HVAC the rating in BTU stands on the amount of heat it can move from the inside to the outside.

So a perfect 1 000 BTU unit will be able to move out 1 000 BTU at 10C or 40C, but in your case if you produce 10,236 units of energy those have to be removed be it 10C or 40C outside, you need the exact same amount of heat to be taken out, what will change if the outside is 10C instead of 30C is the efficiency and consumption of the unit, again, this is if we talk about a sealed room that won't lose that much heat through the walls.

I might be mistaken on this but using only half of it will end up with the room temperature going up and up till it reaches the miner's exhaust levels since you have more energy being produced inside the room than you have taken out of it!

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I spoke to a guy who ran 3*S9s in a 4m*4m*3m room using only 12,000 BTU AC, so 14k BTU of heat vs 12k BTU of cooling and he said the miners were running pretty cool during all seasons of where he had them (10c winter to 40c summer)

14k BTU in 48mc2 versus 600 in 180mc2 the ratio is all over the place.
And the most important thing is that if the outside is colder even by a few degrees the room will lose heat, so if this guy had a wall in the shade with 5 degrees below and you're exposed on all sides it will be even worse.

My take would be to start with half of it and see how it works out, you wouldn't be wasting money on equipment you won't be able to sue such as the miners or you won't overspend on air units and installments you won't be needed.

Oh, and reading about the sound, just went outside, 32C right now, our office units are Fujitsu whatsoever, and my phone screams 69DB next to one of the outside units, (we have them in the parking space, cause...well, management!) so you might want to check one of those live before buying it if the sound is a concern.
1524  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Binance to suspend GBP deposits/withdrawal on: July 03, 2023, 11:32:14 AM
On Binance being kicked out of many jurisdictions, be careful what you wish for. CZ is a clown crypto hustler very much similar to Justin Sun,
however, this coordinated crackdown should be concerning because do you know who will take over?

Yeah, we should revive and free Madoff because the other guys might be worse!

The people who own you. The rulers of your countries, the real criminals, the manipulators behind traditional finance.

Yeah the tinfoil manufacturers, the hat designers, those back alley dealers that charge you 200% extra for a hat that truly protects you from the NSA.
And this is how you make a f*** hero out of a piece of s* scammer and manipulator thinking this guy is to worse than some reptilian shadow government when in reality he is 100 times worse than everything out there. No matter how bad the banks are, how they always try to avoid regulations how they do some shady deals behind the counter, it pales in comparison to what CZ is doing in the crypto world and has no comparison whatsoever when it comes to how the manipulative piece of s* is acting!

So get over it, a world without CZ is far better!
1525  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: keep a small mining farm cool with only air conditioners. on: July 02, 2023, 04:12:31 PM
I am pretty sure the math above is correct, but what could go wrong with such a setup?

Not that much if you have temperature monitoring and you set them to downclock or even shut down if it goes off the charts, but there will be a few inconveniences:

Reality tight math, one of the AC units to underdeliver or fail and you're overheating the room, quite a small one, 5 extra miners means 5 3k heaters going full power in a one-bedroom apartment with 30 Celsius outside. Not funny!

Second is the airflow, just as Phil said, it's not going to really work perfectly as it does on paper, you're going to have a hot spot that is going to be way hotter than the entire room opposite the AC units near the ceiling where heat will be essentially trapped in this setup, so I would have two ducts on each side going straight to the back with an end fan and press the hot air with a cold flow for extra airflow and circulation.

So unless the building really heats itself during the day to above what you said due to direct sun, no shade, or materials, it should not be a problem. But, to be honest not really a thing I would want to be in charge of it.
Oh yeah, I'm curious about the end result, unless, of course, it's doxing somebody.
1526  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 1.7 billion people are still Unbanked; chances for bitcoin on: July 02, 2023, 03:29:03 PM
We can buy Bitcoin from ATM but look at OP's post he was talking about places where there isn't even banks reached so where there is no possibility of finding a Bitcoin ATM as well.

I wasn't responding to OP, I was replying to a user who mentioned

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That's true, every Bitcoin purchases starts with the bank,

which is not the case, not in the US , not in the EU not in Nigeria not in Bahamas.

P2P deals too need banks or some kind of online wallet help to make the purchase possible when we are communicating over the internet.

Then it's not true P2P anymore and we should stop labeling all these solutions as being decentralized when you rely on a cental point that stores all your data and all your details forever. I've warned users numerous times that dealing with a guy on a pseudo P2P market is just as dangerous, you have a stranger collecting hundreds of bank details and accounts and you have a  bank employee laughing how he can track with 101% accuracy every single trade this guy and his clients do.

I am aware that decentralisation is the vital part but for now it's highly inconvenient if someone decides to boycott banks and starts to live with only crypto so everything takes time and similar to that adoption of Bitcoin too will be gradual to take over the bank's place.

Exactly my point! You can't buy 3 cakes eat 4 of them, gift 2, and still have 6 of them in the fridge.
1527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you dare to pawn your bitcoin? on: July 02, 2023, 03:19:55 PM
Okay...but at what pawn shop does liquidation even occur? If a borrower pawns $10,000 worth of Bitcoin (let's say rate is $100,000 for argument sake, so, 0.1 BTC) for $6,000 cash, then the price tanks by 60℅, the borrower doesn't get "liquidated" they still need to pay the $6,000 back plus interest to get their 0.1 BTC back. Which, if they truly don't believe in Bitcoin at that point' they can abandon the loan for a $2,000 profit at this point.

Doesn't work like that!
First, nobody is going to wait for 100% liquidation, most of them will do it at 110% to avoid a flash crash making them go in red.

Second, you've made a mistake, there is no profit.
You sent to those guys things worth $10k, you got $6000, so you've lost $4000. It doesn't matter what the price was going to be fast forward in time, at the moment when you took the loan you deposited coins worth 10k and you ended up with a loan of 6k, so, it's a 4k loss, not a 2k profit.
You could have simply sold those and you wouldn't have any problem.

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Regardless of value fluctuation of the Bitcoin, the amount of cash to be repaid is all the borrower needs to worry about. 0.1 BTC is always 0.1 BTC

Yeah right, except that's only happening in the meme area when we're in a bear market and people need to encourage each other.
In reality, one BTC is 30.5k and it was 25k a month ago and it was 65k two years ago, and when you're taking a USD-denominated loan all you have to worry about is about making the payments for the loan. Because if try to take advantage of this you're far better just using leverage and going trading.

I remember those threads that using their Bitcoin as collateral and in the end , they regret that action and I don't wanna be one , I will keep hold my coins no matter what Happen , I would rather pawn my house or car than pawning my Coin ..
Same here.
If I needed money I would prefer to sell things, but even in the hypothetical situation where I only had the possibility to pawn, I would pawn anything rather than bitcoin.

Or, or...outrageous idea  Grin take a loan from a bank!







1528  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Cheap Solar Kit Panel, Running Node with free electrical Cost on: July 02, 2023, 03:01:19 PM
That is still a rough estimate, maybe next if I have the funds I will make an accurate in how much cost and watts I need. while I know once charging laptop is need 60 – 180 watts.

60 - 180 watts seems high for laptop, unless you actually refer to watt stated on your laptop power adapters. Your average laptop should use 60W or less when running CPU intensive task.

He probably meant it for charging, a 30-150W range would be normal nowadays for charging a laptop despite probably the large chunk of it being in the 30-45W. But for running a node, you won't be needed a gaming laptop so the actual power draw on law tasks is well below 20W, I have still my old Thinkpad and the last time I tested it it was at 10-15W with a node and a VPN server running.

Overall, If you want to solar power your RPi node, buy at least 120W solar panel, MPPT solar charger controller and bigger LiFePO4 battery enough to run the load when there's no sunlight.

And when the cost start adding up and he needs that upfront he will realize that not only it's far better to run it on the grid but also, it's better to let others do it. Despite all these barriers when it comes to a simple piece of equipment that still needs 24/7 there are still some who think mining with 3kw gear is still economically feasible with huge government grants. Some need a slap down to eath and reality more often.

My problem with running a node as a digital nomad is not the electricity, but the internet connection. Using intermittent public WiFi is one solution, but that has its own problems. A WiFi hotdspot introduces anothe cost into the equasion.

Still munching on free wi-fi, are we?  Grin
I was thinking of that a few weeks ago when I realized the restaurant one block away is changing the passwords daily and they add new QR codes to the menu every day for customers.


1529  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Binance to suspend GBP deposits/withdrawal on: July 01, 2023, 04:06:44 PM
Just in a few days, and everything started with the SEC. So either all the countries decided to wake up at the same time, and I have no problem with that since I'm all for a justice. But it's strange that this is happening so quickly.

Maybe because somebody leaked what's happening there and how rotten the whole deal is ?
Binance has always been in trouble and I will not forget how CZ was fleeing Japan in a plane while tweeting that everything is fine and that Biannce was in talks with regulators and was screaming FUD and #safu and threatening people with lawsuits for defamation.
Then it was Malta but it wasn't actually Malta dn then Cyaman Islands and so on

And anyhow, all those events in the EU are more closely related to MiCA than the SEC, Binance knew all along they will not last in the EU without playing by the rules. So in retrospective:
2021: Germany:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/germanys-financial-watchdog-warns-crypto-exchange-binance-over-stock-tokens-2021-04-29/
2022; Netherlands:
https://decrypt.co/105323/dutch-central-bank-imposes-3-3-million-fine-crypto-exchange-binance
2022 Philipines:
https://coingeek.com/dont-invest-with-binance-philippines-securities-regulator-says/
2022 Canada:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-tells-regulators-it-will-cease-operations-in-ontario-for-real-this-time

And the list could go for pages.

I hate Europe but for the first time in my life I'm glad, seeing them throwing binance out.
I may become Pro-Europe later   Cheesy

I want to become a pro-Earth guy, which would mean kicking Binance out of...

Honestly, it looks like the USA hates Asian businesses and Asian CEOs and does everything to vanish them (Binance, TikTok). The USA orders Nvidia and AMD to stop selling AI chips to China. Both of them have Asian CEOs, but it hasn't ordered the same to IBM, Intel or Alphabet, these corporations don't have Asian CEOs btw.

Asian=/=China and asians=chinese, and India is in Asia, btw!
Also, Alphabet uses Nvidia chips and Intel doesn't even have one share in this market, their newest chips will be probably launched in 2024 and IBM is not making their own chips anymore.


1530  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Another crap Amazon wallet find: Material Bitcoin on: July 01, 2023, 03:29:21 PM
Is this even a hardware wallet?

It's more like a business card with a QR you can get for 5$.  Grin Grin
And has 1 cent security features.

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There are no logs, no databases, no temporary files, no nothing at all.
The private key exists only on the steel plate.
Not even our engineers can see the private key: It is calculated, engraved, erased from memory, hidden with a metallic vinyl and enveloped in an watertight aluminum heat seal. Many layers ensure the privacy of your plate.

When you go overboard with this kind of description it's a clear sign nothing like that is happening and they are taking like 100 backups of your keys before they ship it. Anyone else had a coldkey.eu moment while reading this?
Anyhow, this is quite funny, since nobody sees this, even if the process and security is genuine there is no guarantee the machine actually engraved that private key on the wallet or hasn't failed to stamp a few letters, which would be quite interesting... to find out after you loaded it!  Cheesy

Also, they sell "BITCOIN PURCHASE SIGNALS"
https://materialbitcoin.com/en/product/bitcoin-purchase-signals/
Just $400 a year, lol.



1531  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Cheap Solar Kit Panel, Running Node with free electrical Cost on: June 30, 2023, 10:57:14 AM
(Correct Me If I am wrong about calculation and cost.)
but, my point is we can save more money with solar kit panels.

Let's assume you pay 10 cents per kWh, at 0.48kwh a day you're going to pay $17.5 a year, so nowhere near that.
Second, that's a 20w maximum panel, it doesn't mean it can really produce 20wats but in perfect conditions, second thing is that just because the sun is shining again it's not optimal production from 7 am till 9 pm, best cases are around 8 hours of peak production per day. So you'e going to need 3 of those 20watts panels and a battery to store the extra energy generated during the day and needed during the night.

So from a one-time payment of $37 versus a yearly payment of $45 you're going to have one upfront payment of $111 versus a yearly payment of $17.5 before battery costs. It kind of changes things, right?



1532  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: About the construction of mining farm in Mongolia on: June 30, 2023, 10:31:02 AM
From what I've seen on the media, Mongolia is bitcoin friendly and there's availability of cheap electricity, especially in the town called Ordos, and many miners are already taking advantage of this.

Ordos is in China.
Inner Mongolia is a province of China and not of Mongolia the country!

1. very obvious advantages, why there are not many farms there?

Cheap energy doesn't mean that's the real cost, the 2cents/kwh is the subsidized government price, and you might not get your licenses to benefit from that accepted or prolonged.
The grid is split in 3 parts and it's not that reliable, one part is just tiny and one is heavenly dependent on Russian imports.
Cheap energy also doesn't mean abundant energy, in the best case scenario the entire energy produced in the country would feed around 200k miners, that's less than 7% of the total hashrate right now, now think how much they have to spare.

1533  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Wirex- Bitcoin Debit Card | Buy Bitcoin | Mobile Banking | Send Money on: June 29, 2023, 04:09:22 PM
Bumping this:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/wirex-may-suffer-card-outage-eea-uab-payrnet-licensing-issue

So Wirex lost its EEA card provider, all physical debit cards in the EEA are out of order, virtual cards still work, or this is what people from Discord say.

Another red flag for anyone still having funds on this, I just opened the app for the first time in months and saw:
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Euro 16% AER
USD 9% AER
Tether 16% AER
Ethereum 6.55 AER

Those numbers are just scary, I wonder how can they even advertise such returns, let alone pay for it.
1534  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Kucoin to introduce mandatory KYC on: June 29, 2023, 03:49:55 PM
When I first read the news I thought that existing accounts would be spared. However, it appears that not only are new accounts required to undergo KYC verification, but it also states that existing users won't be able to deposit funds unless they are KYC-ed too. Bummer, right?

There was no way for that to be possible, under no regulation would that have been possible, all AML requirements are for every single transaction to have a verified sender, so it's not like an old account could bypass this, the moment it made one transaction it breaks this and the user woud need verification, that said they did prolong this as long as they could but probably they've seen the outcome, and rather than losing all clients they decided to go and obey the new rules.

So, does anyone what could have triggered this?
https://www.coingecko.com/en/exchanges/kucoin#statistics
A 500 mils to 6 billion in trade volume Huh

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For users who registered before July 15, 2023 (UTC), if their KYC is not completed, they will only be able to use services such as Spot trading sell orders, Futures trading deleveraging, Margin trading deleveraging, KuCoin Earn redemption, ETF redemption, and will not be able to use the deposit service (withdrawals are not impacted).

They will most likely reset the deposit addresses (at some point) otherwise what's the point?
Because if they don't do that, and the sell orders and withdrawals remain unaffected, wouldn't that mean that users can still deposit using their previously generated addresses, sell and then withdraw these funds?

They are letting a door opened for people who have money and don't want do go throw KYC or can't even do it since they are in some banned jurisdiction, so they will allow them to trade and exit, probably a smart way since they would otherwise be swamped with support tickets and less risk for the mess to go public cause when authorities will see tens thousands of users complaining they would probably start asking Kucoin just how many anonymous users and $ they have there.  Wink

And fast forward I guess they will disable the address from the account so you won't be able to generate a new one unless you're verified and if you do the mistake of sending it to the old one they will probably ask for KYC, a win-win for them, either free money or verified user.


1535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gospel Preachers: Is Bitcoin the Last Currency in the World? on: June 29, 2023, 03:34:40 PM
When I was a little child, Missionaries like Jehovah Witness Brethren and other Pentecostal Church preachers who was preaching the Holy Bible says, time will come in the whole world that everyone will use ONE CURRENCY and anyone who refused to use that currency can not buy things in any store.
~
This thing that I said is inside the Holy Bible but I can't recall the scripture but it is in the book of "Revelation".

Oh my god, are you real?

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Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,  so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666

You're telling me that Bitcoin is a sign of the coming of the Antichrist?

Besides, if you're a true believer of God you should refuse the mark, so you're making it look like all Bitcoiners have signed a pact with the Antichrist and all the no coiners are martyrs.
Seriously!!!! Let's keep religion out of this!!!



1536  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2023 Diff thread now opened. on: June 29, 2023, 02:51:21 PM
What is the benefit of pointing 20p to foundry Than nicehash? I think nicehash would remain the highest payout

Before April it was the fees, Foundry was not charging pool fees to large customers, I don't know how they made money but probably it was something the backers like DCG saw as an intelligent move to make it the largest pool.
Right now since we don't have any insiders we can't really compare payouts!

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Previous Retarget:   Today at 1:46 AM  (-3.2554%)

Price at 30.5k, Viabtc shows 0.00000247 BTC ≈ $ 0.08

Room to grow, let's see if the summer heat bites more.

"The Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) said power use reached a preliminary 80,828 megawatts (MW) at 6 p.m. CST,

Is this enough for 3,886 Exahash/s if we consider S19XpHydro? Or am I doing something wrong?
 



1537  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How do you come up with reliable predictions for prices? on: June 27, 2023, 04:56:15 PM
Do you have more beginner level suggestions?

Get a hamster:
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/25/1040683057/crypto-trading-hamster-goxx-warren-buffet-s-p-500

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His portfolio is up nearly 20% since he started trading in June, according to his Twitter account. And as of Sept. 12, Mr. Goxx was performing better than Bitcoin, the Nasdaq 100, Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway and the S&P 500.While Mr. Goxx's methodology is random at best, it does remind us that where people get their financial advice from is certainly changing.

I've seen a lot of you looking at Bitcoin charts and trying to predict prices.

And how many have you seen actually managing to beat what 100 random guesses in a row might yield?
1538  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is bitcoin anonymous? on: June 27, 2023, 04:51:28 PM
Op if I may asked what is the different between anonymous and pseudonymous? From your point of view you see them differently but they are not. If someone says that Bitcoin is anonymous that person in the same time also saying that Bitcoin is pseudonymous but you are using them differently without clear explanation.

Here is the explanation:
https://www.gemini.com/cryptopedia/anonymity-vs-pseudonymity-basic-differences#section-what-does-anonymous-mean-in-crypto

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Someone who is anonymous is able to operate or speak in a way that makes them unidentifiable. Someone who is pseudonymous operates or speaks in a way in which they can be identified, but their identification shields who they actually are.

If it were the same thing nobody would be adding "pseudo" to the definition which changes completely the meaning.
I'm amazed that 10 pages into this you come and say it's no difference,  forget the actual trait of Bitcoin, the two words have a different meaning no matter two what they are applied to!
1539  Economy / Economics / Re: South Africa in trouble. on: June 27, 2023, 04:40:56 PM
The most of the economic growth of Africa is based on the economic activity of South Africa.

Yeah right, and one page from this topic we have this:
Power outages causes huge economic loss in south Africa.
Growth? What growth?
South African economy slumps in Q4


Secondly even if It's proved there is unlikely chance again to put sanctions on South Africa, US is already on brink of collapse with Russian sanctions, South Africa is diamond provider for world it'll create new issues in global supply chain again which obviously US won't be able to handle.

On what planet do you spend your morning newspaper reading time? Cause you need to come back to earth!
And btw, Canada produces twice as many diamonds as South Africa which barely has 5% of the global production!
The US is donating via USAID 10 times the value of all diamond imports for food security, who do you think will end up in trouble?
1540  Economy / Economics / Re: How billionaires are really affecting the economy. on: June 27, 2023, 03:53:15 PM
The number of rich people in the world is increasing tremendously along with the rate of poverty. As the number of rich people increased, the number of poor people was supposed to decrease, but in reality it has been different.

BS:

Also, the way poverty is calculated has changed so much in the last decades that is no longer even remotely the same as at the beginning of the last century, it has added a ton of things that weren't even debatable possible a century ago.

In countries like America, 33% of people are wealthier than before the pandemic and this is possible due to some reasons one of them can be corruption.

Again, how in the name of god did 33% of the Americans get wealthier if yous aid only billions get richer and the rest end up poorer?
Do you actually read what you type and give a second though on it?

It's not about criticizing the rich out of jealousy.

Not jealousy, sometimes is also stupidity!

Rentals will bring them even more and drive up prices. And this has been going on for years, today young people can no longer buy and find it difficult to rent, even though it is still a vital need! The less rich in debt for housing have no choice but to go to work at a lower cost for a minimum wage. And when we take a look at the Panama Papers and other papers, we know that in addition the super rich manage to put their money in tax havens.

Can you tell me, if the poor end up being paid less, and not affording housing, how are the people that sell them fewer goods and not being able to rent out hosues making more money? Because never in my life have I experienced a year where we would sell less meat for cheaper and make more money, for example as this is our family business.
Not in all my years of work for a company have I seen a year where we had fewer clients, ordering less and we would make more!
It's one of those mysteries of the socialist manifesto, so can you please explain to me how this is even possible?

I remember when Elon Musk said he would donate his money (or some of it actually) if it could end world hunger. He just wanted a calculation proof first that it was possible.
After many weeks nobody could come up with a way for his wealth to solve world hunger problems.

Because that would imply work, and socialists are only after getting free money, working for that money would make them... capitalist!  Wink
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