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1861  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ways to prevent 51% attacks from bad actors/states on: April 14, 2023, 03:59:19 PM
It's quite impossible in the current year of 2023 to do an attack of 51%.
Each costing 5304W power usage, 713,725 will be using 3,785,597,400W power which will cost millions.
1 Bitmain Antminer S19 XP Hydro costs $7k. 713k will cost $4,996,075,000 excluding shipping fees and running the grid, providing cooling, and maintenance.
I am sure you got an idea of how hard is to get this attack done against the whole network which is currently decentralized. Let me know if you want to know much more about it in terms of numbers.

It's not impossible.
Seattle's city budget is $7.4 billion.
Palo Verde nuclear power plant has an output of 3,942 MW.
Since the OP mentioned actors and (states) look how tiny that number is compared to a country the size of the United States or China, just for fun, the value of the first 24 penthouses in NY listed here for sale is 1 billion.

5+ billion is not a big sum for a government, especially those with the top economies. Plus they can just seize miners instead of buying them, and only pay for electricity to attack Bitcoin. If governments and banks hated Bitcoin as much as bitcoiners describe, they would have already attacked it on all fronts, including a 51% attack, that would have been much easier after a hash rate drop that would happen after most major countries ban mining.

And they might simply not need 51%.
Since they can run on subsidized cost with no tax no profit they could install just 25%, force other miners out of business and then just add 15% or so to gain a full 51%. Also, they don't have to pay for the best of the best gear, and not at Bitmain prices, they could simply pick up old miners that go on cheaper prices per TH/s and just install those as the energy is simply no problem at these levels, they could simply fire up some old powerplant and just cover it up.

But, why would anyone do it, and what it would solve?
1862  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hypothetic question regarding network security after last halving on: April 14, 2023, 03:39:59 PM
Some people can ask when bitcoin mining reward was 50 BTC, that if bitcoin mining reward halves to 6.25 BTC, that the network would collapse. But what happened? Increase in hash rate and mining difficulty.
If mining is not profitable for some miners, they will shutdown their miners and the difficulty will reduce while other miners that remain will make more money from the transaction fee.

Mining didn't collapse because the actual reward per block kept going up.
How will the reward keep going up when there is no block subsidy but only fees unless you force people to pay more?

Not to mention a different thing, if the hash rate for example will be the same even as the halving pass by, as the price will offset it, you will still face a problem, the same hashrate will have to defend a blockchain that is worth 2x more, security has to be measured on how much it takes to overcome it but also how much it protects. 300Exash and 3 million machines sound nice right now, but if in 3 halvings this will still be the same but with the market cap no longer at 600 billion but 5 trillion, will it mean the network is just as secure?

3. Transaction fees will go up as bitcoin use grows

So if Bitcoin reaches $ 1mil you will have no problem paying $30 for a simple 1 input 1 output tx and you think people will still be using it in their daily lives?
Hasn't the drama of the Ordinals and people screaming like mad that there is a terrorist attack because they have to pay 4sat/b shown how people react ?

5. Mining machines will become more efficient to use less power and naturally miners will settle towards using only the cheapest electricity, bringing down the cost of mining per unit hash rate

No matter how efficient the machines are the cost to attack the network will move the same way as the efficiency of the machines.
12 years ago you could attack it with a single s19 but because it didn't exist you had to spend millions in FPGA, so it's not the efficiency of the machine is the cost of the 51% in current Th/$ that keeps the network secure.
1863  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin price movement with a millino on: April 14, 2023, 12:46:38 PM
is it depends on anything? and what possible scenario can occur while moving the price like high volume small candle,
you can also try to explain with 10million if you know.

It depends on the depth of the orders, you can go to the major exchanges and see how much the volumes on placed orders are, 1 million$ is nothing on both sides but $10 million might make a temporary dent right now it would make a $200 drop on Binance and about a $300 jump.

I do not think a million would affect the price of Bitcoin. I guess a few billion or more would be needed and you would also need to use multiple or several exchanges.

Billions? The largest by volume is the Binance/USDT, at nearly 10% of complete BTC volume, a flash $100million drop there would send the coin to $24k levels instantly, and if not all the buy orders would instantly retreat when the bots see the incoming dump.
Do you think that when we dropped last time from 29k to 26k there were tens of billions of coins getting sold?  Wink
Still much to go till we hit levels where billions are needed to move markets.


1864  Economy / Economics / Re: James Zhong captured for $3.4 billion worth stolen bitcoin- USA cracks hesit on: April 14, 2023, 12:27:58 PM
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He still lived in a modest house in Athens, Ga., and dressed in shorts and T-shirts. He also had a lake-house getaway in Gainesville, Ga., a Lamborghini sports car and a $150,000 Tesla.

I really don't understand what his plan was here.
If he wanted to keep a low profile for his neighbors and prevent them from asking how this guy got so rich in such a short time he could have simply moved out and be done with it, for the authorities it really doesn't matter how you dress and how you live, you're just a bunch numbers and those numbers point to a guy who has a $5 mil mansion and a $200k with no job whatsoever.
Living a double life worked back a century ago, but not in these times!

This guy is rich, he is billionaire rich and may have hidden asset elsewhere. He will definitely pay high toll and stay away from the prison in the future.

Doesn't work like that.
If in an investigation he lies about the sums while making a plea bargain to be convicted only on the tax fraud and not on the theft he will be facing a multitude of extra charges afterward if caught again, not to mention he will not be able to enter another plea in the same case. He will get from the start 5 years for the breach in the agreement then another 5 years for hiding the funds and preventing assets forfeiture and on top of that again aggravated tax fraud, so if he tries to be smart again he is looking at another 15 years in jail and hard to find a judge that will not convict him again.

Besides they recovered almost all coins except for 2000BTC,  50,491 in the first batch, and then 1,004 from 53,500BTC , which were spent on different things, so that's hardly billionaire material.
1865  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin is like usd it also cause inflation. on: April 12, 2023, 02:00:31 PM
how bitcoin is deflationary currency ?

It's not, at most the term used is inherently deflationary.
Right now the amount of coins in circulation increases every day, basically we're printing coins in the same way other currencies, at a rate of around $27 million a day worth of coins, so right now there is nothing deflationary about it, but since at some point the supply on the market will not grow at all and even till then the adoption rate will/might outrun the issuance you can call it like that.

what will happen if bitcoin is considered as global currency, it will never fall more than 5%-10% ?

Bitcoin is nowhere near the stage where it can be called a global currency.
I keep telling people we're a long way from that and it is enormous space to grow, there are like ~ 20 million addresses with a balance that matters, 300k transactions per day, and only ~150 mils in the LN, those numbers would be low for an economy the size of Bulgaria, not a global one.
So by the time we reach global those swings of 5-10% will become less and less frequent, but swings of 5% are not that uncommon even for normal currencies right now. Remember last year when everyone said the EUR is going to die since it crashed from 1.04 to 0.95 /USD in a week?
1866  Economy / Invites & Accounts / Re: I Need a Bitcointalk rank account 🔰🔰 on: April 12, 2023, 01:16:57 PM
I am surprised that others do not know the reason for purchasing an account, most likely joining signature campaigns, as many campaigns are now accepting Full-Memeber rank, with about 120 posts (at least) and about 4 months of activity, that period is not enough to track the writing style  and therefore It's easy to buy an account without being noticed.

It doesn't have to be that especially.

He might now know that he only needs copper membership to raise the limits and post an image, he might try some different thing, like a loan, he might just want some shilling for some project, and so on. The fact that he needs it "urgently" does not really match only with signature campaigns.
Interestingly he didn't mention the red tags criteria.

Buying of account is highly prohibited.
I'm not sure if you've read all the forum rules and guidelines, but if not, you won't take the prohibition against buying a forum account seriously.

There is no prohibition, anyone can sell and buy as they wish, but they must face the consequences if discovered which will make the account worthless for signature earnings if that is the purpose!
But if you're here to advertise our scammy service like 1xbit, that will not stop you.
1867  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-04-07] Elon Musk And His Company To Fly Bitcoin To The Moon on: April 11, 2023, 05:23:15 PM
I really wonder where they got the idea to send 62 BTC to Moon, why not 20 or 50 BTC, for example?

Probably because at the time of the decision it was worth around $1.5 million and that's the amount of money they were supposed to be getting from their NFT sale.
So, it was a publicity stunt to gain some more sales as only 25% of the value of the NFTs will go to the moon!

Now, the interesting part will be to watch Elon's reaction!
Since this is not something he oversees directly as the rover is the property of another company that just sells space for the trip for whoever wants to buy some, and probably he has found out over Twitter I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to paint the whole rocket with a Shiba picture or demand that at least the rover would need to get a paint job.

curious to know your view. with such plan in going to the moon, what is it for LunarCrush and Elon ?

LunarCrush just sold a few million worth of NFTs and SpaceX is getting paid by Lunar Outpost (a different company) to get their rover to the moon!

1868  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are there any claimants for the stolen 1Feex bitcoins? on: April 11, 2023, 04:54:36 PM
and why is it answering my email should be a problem? if there's a group of claimants, he could've simply gave me the info.
besides, it's in his best interest to get back to me, he knows why

Because he might not have access to it, because he might be getting 100 emails a day from different strangers just like you, and most probably of all because he obviously doesn't care? Besides, you sound like you have some info or dirt on him, why don't you go through it legally, if you know who has the funds or who stole it why don't you go to the police or contact the trustee of the MtGox case? You make it sound like you're one step away from blackmailing him! Is that what you want?

from whoM
from the hacker

That hacker, and who might that be?
Anyhow, since I was promised interesting things, better try this topic:
MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]
There are plenty of guys there that were involved in the Civil Rehabilitation Plan as victims, one might help you organize a community or whatever you plan on doing.


1869  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are there any claimants for the stolen 1Feex bitcoins? on: April 11, 2023, 04:00:48 PM
I tried to ask Karpeles @MagicalTux directly via email but he doesn't seem to bother replying back to me.

You contacted Mark over email about a thing he has been in court over and over and years after the court decision you actually think he will reply to a stranger and tell him everything? For real?
Anyhow, since we're here, why don't you contact Craig Wright also, he claimed he owned that address, and since the first transfer to it was the funding one he was also the hacker, of course then he miraculously lost somehow everything related to that address but I'm pretty sure his lawyers will give you any information you want.  Wink

Is there an organized group of claimants for the stolen 1Feex bitcoins?

And from who do you want to claim damages? MtGox? You might be a little late for that!
1870  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can owning 1 Bitcoin make you rich in 2023? on: April 11, 2023, 03:13:42 PM
The rule of investment in risky assets is that you should only invest the amount you can afford to lose, so do you have $30k that you can afford to lose overnight?
It's not the fact that BTC would go to zero, that's a long gone fear, but there are other risks involved, so to make a really long story short, someone who can afford 30k is not something who will dramatically have his life changed if BTC goes to $300k let's say. Slide the bar to BTC to $1 mil, and things change, now it's also a thing of how much can you afford not only to invest, but also how much you can wait for your dream!

So, my question is can Bitcoin give a life that I dreamt as a child.

Unless you tell us, only god knows what you dreamt as a child, if those dreams include a 30-room mansion by the seaside with a tennis court and a Bugatti La Voiture Noire parked between ten other sports cars, probably not! Everyone has different dreams, some dream of a tiny house in the mountains and just a quiet and normal life, earning a bit over the median pension, some are going nuts unless you go into details no one will be able to even have an opinion on it.

What exactly does financial freedom means in context of Bitcoin?

Again, it depends!
For some, it means having enough assets and savings to never care about money in their whole lifetime.
For others, it means not being at the mercy of a 3rd party, with no bank, no authority, no government being able to seize your wealth.
But not that many really care about the second part anymore, the focus is on the first.

1871  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: South Korean crypto exchange GDAC hacked for nearly $14M on: April 11, 2023, 02:32:48 PM
Can they ask Tether to freeze USDT ($220K?, if possible, that is enough significant to reduce the disadvantage? and maybe make people more comfortable to keep USDT than decentralizing cryptos such as BTC and ETH. this is an irony I think.

Of course, they can, and probably Tether will act immediately
This is a bit old information (late 2022) but :

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Tether works closely with law enforcement worldwide to assist in investigations, and has to date assisted in freezing over 360 million in assets, 101 million of which have either been reissued or are scheduled to be reissued. ~snip~
The total amount of Ethereum-based USDT on all banned wallets is worth more than 443 million

I wouldn't be surprised of those 220k are already frozen.

Another one bites the dust. 🫡
https://chainsec.io/exchange-hacks

Interesting stats
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CEX: 55 hacking events, with lost funds amounting to a total of approximately $2.4 billion at the time of these hacks
Defi: 134 DeFi exploits that have occurred, with lost funds amounting to a total of approximately $4.26 billion

So in their short life (compared to BTC) they've managed to get three times more exploits and twice as many assets stolen.
Another thing, I don't know how accurate that list is and if it really counts them all but it seems like CEX hacks have started to go down lately, this is the first of the year and last year only two hacks?

1872  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2023 Diff thread now opened. on: April 11, 2023, 01:56:46 PM
The U.S is leading the green world drama contest,

Oh no, no! No!
It might lead the pack of countries chasing Germany who has already finished the race, take the medal, and is already on the plane back home!
Germany is closing its last nuclear power plants while it has the most expensive energy only to make things worse and worse, it has no way to balance the insane amount of solar it produces during the day with nothing coming on at night, it opposed pump storage lakes, it opposes hydro energy, and seems like the wind is no longer favorite because it doesn't look nice and...god knows what's the plan next!

At least the US has the capacity to go green, but Germany doesn't have even that and it's pushing like mad towards it. I was laughing hearing in our work group how a co-worker from Munich was telling us that by 2027 it could be done, solar and batteries, enough batteries to power a 1.4 Twh a day consumption with 5 hours of sun on average during the year.

Europe was spared of the bitcoin mining drama because our prices were insane in the first place but if it weren't we would be far worse than the US when it comes to the mining is killing the planet rhetoric.

they accuse Bitcoin miners of raising solar panels prices

For real? Wow!

8.1 cents a th at viabtc

And still the pace is negative, again, weird!

 
1873  Economy / Economics / Re: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? on: April 11, 2023, 01:38:40 PM
Are you seriously? Russia is the largest country in the world and on its own continent. Russia is part of the BRICS economic alliance, which is larger than the economies of the G7 countries.

Brics GDP:
China   589,171,528 BTC
India   105,428,505 BTC
Russia   66,057,674 BTC
Brazil   53,454,518 BTC
South Africa   13,951,694 BTC
Total 828,063,919 BTC

G7 GDP:
United States   763,990,033 BTC
Japan   164,033,953 BTC
Germany   140,302,857 BTC
United Kingdom   105,875,747 BTC
France   97,590,465 BTC
Canada   66,057,674 BTC
Italy   70,023,355 BTC
Total 1,407,874,086 BTC

I guess only in Russia is  828,063,919 bigger than  1,407,874,086.
It might be a reason why 3 days to Kyiv has become 400 and counting.
1874  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: South Korean crypto exchange GDAC hacked for nearly $14M on: April 10, 2023, 08:46:50 PM
From another article:

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The stolen assets, representing approximately 23% of GDAC’s holdings, were transferred to an unidentified wallet, the exchange said in a statement on Monday.
The exchange lost over US$13.1 million in Bitcoin, Ether, Wemix and USDT. More than US$10 million of the losses were in Wemix

So, assuming they've stolen all those tokens, seems like close to 20% of the total assets on that exchange were made up of a token that is ranked in the 200+ by market cap and one that lost about 95% of its value to date, nothing shady at all.
I thought SK went on a rampage with regulations, scaring most of the exchanges away, how did these guys manage to stay afloat?

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We are requesting cooperation from asset issuers (foundations), exchanges, and DeFi managers to freeze assets.

I always find it ironic how people ask for admins of decentralized exchanges to block and freeze coins, in just one split second forgetting all the key points they were bragging about when promoting such solutions.
1875  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin breaking the biggest limit since match price push on: April 10, 2023, 08:21:56 PM
Mostly chatter. The game of chicken is CPI and Fed Rates against inflation.
We get CPI number in a few days. which determines what fed will do.
It is obvious that many are upbeat which is why we push up near that CPI date.

Same pattern, the push right now is the same as in the last two months, seems like a lot of betting is going on the numbers, and everyone expects positive news, probably if it weren't for that oil bump things would have looked a bit more clear, but right now it's again 25 points probably.

Anyhow, speaking of US data, saw something funny about the job data released a few days ago:
U.S. economy adds 236,000 jobs in March as labor market stays strong
US adds 236,000 jobs in March as labor market weakens
So yeah, this volatility despite a 70-80% chance of 25 points starts making sense when two people look at a duck and say it's a goose or a swan.


1876  Economy / Economics / Re: "Greedflation" has gone too far! on: April 10, 2023, 07:35:28 PM
I am not sure did you read what I wrote, or do you judge by all posts... I am a bit confused here.

Yeah, I read it all, I'm just preemptively closing any doors!  Grin

Well, believe it or not, I already have that math in my head. $500k and I am on pension!

Nothing to not believe, I have the math too, but this is the thing, it's my math, and it won't work for everyone, just like yours is.
Let's run the numbers quick.
500k per person, 8 billion people, that would make 40quadrillion, about 60 times the current global wealth so if every one of us gets that much you either have to produce enough houses, commercial estate, cars, electronics, and everything to compensate for this wealth or a used 2002 golf would go for $200k.
We've seen already how it works to have money and not products, demand, and offers have already shown us what's next so no need to linger on this aspect, and move to the next..

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Big corporations with their "crazy big vehicles" of any kind are making a lot of pollution! They are digging and digging... moving mountains... and let's not get into what they are doing to people, maybe more important to kids along the way. Even now in the 21st century, let's not go into the past about it. Do you really think it's the right path!?


And how do you plan on generating the same wealth for half of the population to achieve at least the same levels as Eastern Europe?
There is only one way, the same way Europe and North America and part of Asia were doing and are doing it, by producing stuff, building houses, creating jobs, so...moving mountains!
It might not be the right path, but I can assure you of one thing, it's the only one that doesn't lead to complete poverty for eveyone.

Again, take a better look. It's not me who brought up "1800s" in conversation...

Hmm, I might have been half wrong on this one you didn't bring up 1800 up but you defended it, so let's split the fault here.

I think we will agree that in 1800 the world was much cleaner, in contrast to modern times, where garbage is everywhere around us, rising over our heads slowly, and we eat totally unhealthy food that comes "from who knows where"... and there are many other "modern global problems" that didn't exist 200 years ago.

1877  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Come and mine Bitcoin in Africa. on: April 10, 2023, 07:04:57 PM
It all comes down to money!
If things would have been that great for mining in Africa people would have moved there and not flocked to Texas or Canada or Russia or... the list goes on.
But yeah the first paragraph says it all, if you want to take a chuck of your profits and give it away, have a lower profit margin and you're interested more in the regional impact of your business, yeah, do it. But, you need the money to do that! And money ain't cheap!  Grin

A few things about :
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a firm that analyses the power consumption of countries, out of 30 nations that have the cheapest power four African countries made the list which includes Rwanda (8th), Kenya (15th), South Africa (15th), and Nigeria (27th).
LE:
The link you've posted shows Rwanda at 25 cents/kwh, it's completely the opposite, these are the most expensive, 25c/kwh is a no-go!
This would make the next paragraph I've written a bit inaccurate!

Rwanda consumes 527.30 million kWh  a year, that's around 20k S19, so around 0.66% of the global hashrate in perfect optimization.
Just having cheap electricity doesn't mean they have the capacity to power any large operations without making others run out of power.

Not quoting everything since it look like a mess now with that change in c/kwh but look how you're giving the examples:

- cheap electricity: Rwanda (8th), Kenya (15th), South Africa (15th), and Nigeria
- security Mauritius  is the 28th safest country in the world, Ghana is the 40th, Gambia 45th and Botswanan 48th.
Now if I were to look at what you mentioned before, Rwanda is 72, Kenya 120, RSA 118, and Nigeria 143.

You can't just go and pick each of the best ones whenever it suits you based on one factor, everyone would want cheap energy as in Norway and taxes as low as in Malta, but, you simply can't have them all.
That being said, probably a few of the African countries are far more attractive than the whole of Europe right now, to what level they can compete with the cheap power and infrastructure available in the US or Russia, that is a thing to be seen, although I wouldn't get my hopes that high for further decentralization of mining farms.

1878  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2023 Diff thread now opened. on: April 10, 2023, 06:22:50 PM
If you check the list of currently working plants you will see that many of them have a retirement date ahead, some should be sitting down in a few months, good luck bringing a 2500mw coal plant back to life in 2023 with all the climate activists in the U.S, let alone, do that for the sole purpose of Bitcoin mining, it's going to be very difficult IMO.

Marathon? Hardin Montana?  Grin
But yeah, all the environmental movements will force you to shut down, but to make things worse, just like in Mara's case, they dug the hole themselves, establishing the BMC (Bitcoin Mining Council) and the coming and saying they have clear power than any other industry! It was just asking for trouble. If we exclude the eco-warriors from the equation, restarting those plants might be easier than it seems, at least far easier than in Europe. I don't know what laws the USA has or how they define mothballing there but I've seen it numerous times, they can come back to life pretty fast, so yeah, possible. Unlikely, but doable!

Meanwhile, Bitcoin is pushing through 29k but the diff seems to have calmed down,
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Current Pace:   97.9948%  (584 / 595.95 expected, 11.95 behind)
This is.... weird! I won't say manipulation, but still weird. Barely 2% and then negative after 4 days doesn't feel right with a mini bull run.
So uneventful, I miss the drama!!!!

And as has been asked elsewhere 'Another new all time high' is newsworthy or cause for concern, why?

Hihi might be some concern for miners, a streak of 10% would make some spend a few unpleasant hours in front of an Excel sheet.
But for the general public, the network is just more and more secure, also a bit more blocks are being mined than normal so lower fees, everything is going fine.
1879  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: metal wallet and metal detectors on: April 10, 2023, 01:26:38 PM
The general advice if going for a metal back up is to use stainless steel, since this gives a good balance between hardness, fire proof, corrosion proof, as well as cost. In general, stainless steel is a very poor conductor of electricity and poorly magnetic when compared to most other metals, and can often go undetected by metal detectors, especially if it is very small in size.

This! If you use stainless steel with small washers the whole thing will be around 2.5 cm by 6 cm, easy to hide, with poor conductivity a thief will have to increase the pulse of the detector to a frequency where every hinge in the room will trigger a signal even if they are a meter away, if you hide this in a garage or in a cabinet made out of metal any metal detector would be useless and going through the things by hand will be way faster.

But also, this is only if we talk about commercial detectors.
Professional magnetometers with scan analysis will show the user every tiny bit of metal everywhere, but I somehow doubt a thief will rush and buy a 25k Euros piece of equipment to search for washers in your home.

I have to say though, if you have a thief in your house using a metal detector to find your metal back up, then your op-sec has spectacularly failed and everything you have is probably at risk by that point.

If you have someone who is ready to break into your house with this target in mind, knowing you have enough coins to make it worth stealing and facing prison time then one should be concerned for their safety also. From just a "normal" burglary to getting kidnapped or assaulted and getting to witness a  $5 dollar wrench attack it's just a matter of how much $ you are hiding.
1880  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Being Russia and Russian now on: April 10, 2023, 12:56:53 PM
So far, Putin's economists have been able to minimize the effects of those sanctions hence, the rise of the Rouble.

When you end your story with a thing that can be checked by anyone with an internet connection and it's absolutely fake you might have to go back to the very first word and start the speech once more with the opposite view:



Must be that dedollarization everyone is talking about, with a dollar being worth half of their GDP, nobody affording even one cent unless they sell their kidneys on top of their house and cars and thus making it impossible to use the dollar. Smart plan!  Grin Never thought of this! Must be that 5D chess strategy that took Kyiv in 3 days.

I'm surprised about your article, did you research at all before you penned this down? I doubt that.

Bruh, don't bring data to a propaganda topic, you might confuse the poor fellow!  Grin
Oh and one thing, I don't doubt unemployment is down in Russia, with 300 000 dead and maimed for life and a further 400 000 kidnapped from the streets to serve in the military pretty obvious a ton of job openings are available right now!

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