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1121  Economy / Economics / Re: If They Can Pay off their Debts, Why Don't They? on: September 23, 2023, 11:33:16 AM
Why don't you understand? Let's say I took $100 loan from you, paid $20 back, then I took $100 again, paid $30 back, then I took $200 again, then $300 again and paid $50 back. Am I paying my debt or am I increasing debt? When my debt increases all the time, that means that I am not paying debt back but instead I am taking even more. That's what America is doing, check how much they paid recently and how much they took afterwards, you'll be amazed.

Because it's not like this!
You don't just go to the same bank and ask for money and more money and more money, every single time the USA (well not the country itself but let's skip the details) goes to the markets to issue debt they offer a new contract, a new interest rate a new sum, the USA has closed thousands of engagements of it's former debt, it's not like the first guy that lent them money still has money owned.

If I get $200 from you, then $300 from another guy then I take $400 but I pay your $200 as we agreed, does that mean I'm not paying my debt?
I just did! The USA has always paid its debt, and that's why people are still lending them money because they know they're getting paid back, unlike the ..what do they call it, the new world bankruptcy team?

That's a really good point! I admit!

And it doesn't have to be that extreme example
Let's say you have just lent someone at 8% interest rate, and you can lend to somebody else at 6%, doesn't it make sense to take a loan at 3% and give that guy his loan at 6%? You're still in debt but servicing it is lowe than what you get paid in your turn.
Debt is bad only if you don't have a clue on how to manage it, my family spent nearly 25 years with our business in debt, we still have a few loans mainly for machinery but if we hadn't done so we would have probably never had a business in the first place at all.

They pay interest, but none of these countries are able to pay their debt in full, unless they'd do something crazy like dedicate most of their yearly budget to this.

As I told Synchronice, things are not that simple.
There is not a single debt there is no single contract, and there are not just two entities here.
The bonds mature every year and sometimes even every month, those have been serviced for as long as the country is, the country pais its debt issue new bonds at different interest, pays those as it issues others and so on, it's not your average bank credit line that you try to pay a bit each month, borrow again and so on!
They are paying the debt, if the USA missed any single of it you would have known, if anybody had their bonds payment at the 5, 10 years maturity mmissed we would already know it as the whole economy would be in the drain, but they have to date serviced every single one of them.

Again, stop seeing this as a single debt, it's made out of millions with different interests and different periods, and yes, all that have reached maturity have been paid to date!

1122  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling game is not good and everyone should stay away from it on: September 23, 2023, 11:13:56 AM
I came back to this bitcoin to find light in my life in this darkness you all help me shine.

Yeah, bs!
You come to Bitcoin for money just like gamblers do, you didn't come here for enlightenment or anything else, stop with the bs.
If you wanted to find the light you would be doing charity work, not caring so much about money you even put a $ in your name!

I feel like this topic should be in the gambling discussion section. I am not going to argue whether gambling is bad or good.

I would argue that making 100 topics about how bad gambling is, that is till you fish enough merit to carry a casino signature is the really bad thing, far worse and far more despicable than actual gambling! I'm getting so tired of these wanna-be prophets who think their way of life is so much better than the rest I would instantly trash all these topics!
1123  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to get profit when have PC is idle and unused in home on: September 23, 2023, 10:32:19 AM
So its useless..hmm..
Unless @OP buys a new GPU, that isn't worth it as the RTX 4090 price is $1699. Is there no other way he can use his CPU to earn money while idle?

Buying the top-tier GPU was not really a solution for early ROI, rather than a brand new 4090 he would be better with a late 2x series, the difference in initial capital is doubling the time you need to run it. Anyhow, GPU mining is dead, makes no sense!
As for the CPU, again, who would pay him something that makes it worth the effort when he could simply buy that computational power from a data center, far cheaper, you can buy a dedicated CPU for 20$ that beats the crap out of that configuration for 20$ a month, with full support and 24/7 , why would someone pay you more for it?

How I said a few times, before, it's time to let it go, the times of earning money while watching your 3 years old computer do stuff alone are gone.

or maybe I will open a rental VR Box on my country malls because it is quite promising. For 15 minutes rent I will get paid about $2 and do DCA. I've checked, for visualization on a PC requires high specifications, and it's enough suitable on my PC.

VR on a 1030 with 2GB, are you sure?
 
1124  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to get profit when have PC is idle and unused in home on: September 22, 2023, 02:51:25 PM
I don't know if it's real or fake. But this is what I got after doing a little research.
Code:
https://millennialmoney.com/get-paid-to-leave-your-computer-running/

Research is actually checking those claims so let's go with the first one

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If you have a powerful gaming PC, you can bring in roughly $95 each month according to Kryptex.
A mining rig with an Intel Celeron G3930 processor and 8X AMD RX 5700 GPU mining rig will generate about $615 per month.

we go to kryptex earning estimator page and :
https://www.kryptex.com/en/best-gpus-for-mining
RX 5700  $5.27  PER MONTH

Op has a GPU 1030 GTX 2GB which is not even listed so looking at the last one, a GTX 1050 Ti it makes $0.93 a month!
So if he could sell it for $20 he would make more than in three years of mining, not including energy!


1125  Economy / Exchanges / Re: *warning* Bitstamp not allowing withdrawals on: September 22, 2023, 01:10:43 PM
I am thinking they could be insolvent or had a hack.

So you think they have been insolvent and they are blocking withdrawals for almost 3 months yet you're the first one in months one around here with the problem in the last month? I did one exchange just before leaving for a trip so that would be something around the middle of August (can't check it right now for sure) and it funds were in under 24 hours.

Most likely it's about your documents and your KYC, from my experience Bitstamp is probably the worst when doing this, I was just lucky to be an already old customer with them when they started but for newer clients going through this might be a nightmare, check your previous mail they might have asked you already for a ton of documents, most like proof of funds as that is their specialty.



1126  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Have a clear understanding of what DCA means on: September 22, 2023, 12:51:12 PM
You even don't have to use a same amount of capital for each DCA round. Sometimes you can use smaller or bigger amount of capital for a DCA round. Because it can depends on your feeling about the market trend as well as your available funds for DCA at that time. If you see the market is good and you have money in hands, you can DCA with doubled capital than your normal amount.

That's gambling!
DCA is dollar cost average, when you break this rule it stops being DCA and as I said is basically buying based on a hunch or your guts.
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Dollar-cost averaging involves investing the same amount of money in a target security at regular intervals over a certain period of time, regardless of price.

See how simple it is, it's x amount every week, every day every month, not x on monday maybe not this weekend, maybe z on Friday, then 6 months nothing then 10 times more, this is not a plan this is pure chaos.

I will not be comfortable as a person already used to DCA a fixed amount of money based on my income, and then my income increases considerably and then I keep investing that same small fixed amount because I do not want to change the amount. I will like to raise the amount I use. Things can also go the downwards like, maybe my income reduces considerably, and I can no longer continue to invest that amount of money which I saw as small, but now is big. I will not like to stop investing, It will be good for me to just reduce the amount I DCA. So maybe changing the amount to DCA with does not entirely defeat purpose of DCA, there are some times when the continuity in the habit will matter more than the change in amount.

This is completely different.
If you have averaged a buy of $100 a week for a year and then you get a pay rise and afford $200 it doesn't mean you're not DCA anymore, you can think of this like having two plans, one that started two years ago and one that started now.
If we would think like that basically nobody in countries with 100% inflation would be able to keep a DCA over the years, imagine somebody still buying bitcoin worth 10 Zimbabwe dollars when a loaf of bread went from 1 to a trillion.




1127  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: No gains,1 Minute Scalping Strategy on: September 22, 2023, 10:08:23 AM
Maybe I should move to longer timeframe and not scalping in order to make profits?

Ratimov had a nice topic about this:
Scalping is the most controversial way to make money. My experience for 4 years

It pretty much depends on what your available time looks like and what your expectations are, but if you;re looking at making a killing out of it in a short span you've chosen the wrong one.

Scalping is only an indicator, it is not important at all,
Scalping is a strategy not an indicator!

I don't think that fees should be your problem or that it is your problem.

He's playing with small time frames scalping, already the method is about large volume and small profits ratio, when you put on top of that low volatility and high fees you might end up with zero profit even if you have placed and closed a winning trade.



1128  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: No matter the pressure don't release on: September 22, 2023, 09:09:53 AM
You cannot expect to be in full control of the wallet all through a trade

Bruh....

In a decentralized, P2P service, you are always in control of your funds

Common, let's not start to move definitions and goalposts here cause I clearly started this discussion based on your highlighted above remark!
You started saying that you're in control all the time till the trade is finished and now you're saying you can't expect to be in full control all the time while at the same time you were right when saying you're still in full control!

A huge difference between;
• Not your keys at all, and.
• Holding half of the keys.

What's that huge difference?
It's still the same, we were talking about full control, not the incentive the other party has on doing the deal, not the risks, not anything else. If the other guy is hit by a tram while going to the bank and releasing your funds you're done for! You are not in control! That's what the definition for a multi-sig is, and this is why they were invented in the first place so that not a SINGLE entity has control over it!
As I said, let's not change 1000 years of word definition just because it suits our narrative now!

I live in Bangladesh, and I use payment methods like Bkash and Nagad. Those payment methods never ask where the money comes from. What is the source of this money? When it comes to banks, they ask for a photocopy of an ID card when someone deposits money into someone else account. Banks ask where the money came from to the account holder. Bank asks the source of the money when people deposit their own money in their own account.

Generalizing a particular country's situation is never good!
I've never been asked for a photocopy of my ID from a bank, just my ID when I go to the bank and deposit cash, which is standard procedure from 100 years ago,  do the bank ask you every time where the money comes from when you're getting a payment from another bank? No, they don't and this is why apps don't also because you're loading your account from an already verified source!
But even that doesn't even matter since the whole thing is just ridiculous, I was curious what this Bkash is so a quick google search and

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bKash (Bengali: বিকাশ) is a mobile financial service (MFS) [4] in Bangladesh operating under the authority of Bangladesh Bank as a subsidiary of BRAC Bank Limited. BRAC Bank Limited[2] is a private commercial bank in Bangladesh, founded in 2001.

So, you were saying what about banks? Grin


1129  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did anyone notice this pattern? on: September 22, 2023, 07:48:55 AM
there are rational reasons

many large mining farms do not audit thier costs/profit daily. instead they buy allotments of asics and electric contracts to last 2+ years. meaning they calculate cost vs earnings every 1-2 years(for tax and upgrade purposes).

Oh yeah, the large mining farms and ASIC owners of 2010 and 2014!
Definitely!

the other factor is that when halvings occur there is a rush of asic purchases. which is where people double up+ their hashrate to cling onto a comparable yield of rewards. this increase of hashrate and hardware also puts pressure on prices. again there is a delay

So, if:
John Alice and Dicky each have 10TH/s and they see the halving coming they each buy new gear in order to double...yelds...what???
Wait a minute!
If John had 10th/s which earned him 5$ at a cost of 2.$ , if he doubles the hashrate at the same cost as electricity isn't going to change in price he is going to make again 5$ but a ta cost of 4$, so how are this comparable yields?

Let's re-write this:
John Alice and Dicky had 30TH/s earning them 10$ at 3$ cost, now they are only earning 5$ at 3$ cost, they double their hashrate for a situation where they will have 60TH/s earning them 10$ but costing them 6$, so the only thing that comes clean out of this is that 10 years later and yous till don't know how mining works and it's again proof you've never run a business in your life!

Furthermore, in 2020 at the halving the hashrate was 115.27 EH/s, it took two years and five months till October 2020 for it to double at an average of 254.80 EH/s for the first time passing 230EH/s.

Write this down and repeat it every single time you have the opportunity, difficulty follows the price with a delay, the price never follows the difficulty!









1130  Economy / Economics / Re: If They Can Pay off their Debts, Why Don't They? on: September 22, 2023, 07:38:06 AM
Why don't we just reduce it to zero? I owe you one billion, you owe me one billion, this means that debt doesn't exist and is already paid but it doesn't work that way between nations. They say the safest loan is when country borrows money from another country but once I saw that the whole world is in debt, then I started to think, since no one pays their debt, how is this the safest loan?

Because when you take a loan as a country you have a repayment plan and you do this based on 5-10 years in advance budgets, everyone rushing in exchanging debt maturing over 6 years at x% with one over 7 and a half at z% interest would be a complete nightmare which wouldn't serve as much as you think other that stoping a bunch of guys screaming all day about the size of the debt.

But I don't understand why you say "no one pays their debt", everyone pays their debt right now except for some 3rd world countries, it's not like the US or any other country has a fixed debt and they are just adding money on top of that, the US is paying previous debts, Germany is paying previous debts and they are both taking new ones if the market is good enough for them.

If you're able to do a thing like this one:
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/german-government-makes-billions-debt-thanks-negative-rates-2021-12-22/
why would you rush to pay them back at all? Right? It's not the size of the debt you are in and the amount you own from others but how much that costs you each year. If the numbers are positive, why would you even bother?


https://www.pgpf.org/budget-basics/what-are-interest-costs-on-the-national-debt
The US pays now 2% of their GDP towards servicing debt, it was 3.2% in 1993, but at that time we didn't have widepsread internet and tiktok and wanna be an economist claiming that everything will end!






1131  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: No matter the pressure don't release on: September 22, 2023, 07:07:27 AM
<snip>
No, that's not how it happens! The moment you initiate the trade the money gets locked on that platform, and you're not opening trade on any of those without depositing money, which means they have left your control!
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Now the escrow address is a 2-of-2 multi sig, from the 2-of-3 is used to be, and the only parties involved in it now are the traders. Technically the funds still remain in your custody until the end of the trade and the platform has no access to it.

No! The funds are not in your custody since you can't access them freely without a second-party agreement on it!
It's a false sense of security but it's the same thing when looking at the final decision, the only difference between this and the CEX is that the CEX can't move your funds without you accepting but at the same time, from your point of view you can't recover those funds without a third party accept either.

So no, you're not in control!
Being in control of funds means you can move them at any time in any fraction of the total sum as you desire, not happening in the above scenario.

If you want to use P2P on DEX, make sure that the seller is a seller who has a high rating and a high level of success in transactions to avoid problems because they always maintain their reputation well.

Selective scamming, fake reviews, people in desperate situations encountering a large sum that might be enough to cover 3 months of profit in one go, and so on and on and on, just think how many cases of reputbale members have ended up scamming here, reputation a good indicator till only it stops being one!

Bitcoin should eliminate any kind of third-party involvement.
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What I mean by getting payment in different payment methods is that if there are any Bitcoin ATMs, utilize them. Almost every country has some kind of payment method like Cashapp, Perfect Money or others. We have Bkash, Nagad and many more systems where we can receive our payment.

So, you're just using some other third parties instead of these third parties!
Trusting Perfect money with your funds over a bank sounds far more risky to me, who are you going to complain with if they close your account and stop you from getting your money out?




1132  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2023 Diff thread now opened. on: September 22, 2023, 06:55:12 AM
Oh, nice, let's see!
If I win... Grin Cheesy, lol, so, if I win...common, I'll buy each one of you an anti-air flying pig gun!
I see that everyone is going positive so to increase your chances, here I go with my fudge bear just for fun pick:

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10) -0.49 to  -0.00  Stompix

This means anyone willing to win this should go like 20 numbers away from mine!

But now, joking aside, I don't see that much negative news and I can't muster that much pessimism either, the heatwaves are probably long gone, the price is not really in a bad position, we have proof of companies having set plans in motions for Q4 expansions, so probably all signs point to continuous increase, which now that I think it's actually a pessimistic view, right?

I wonder if just as price speculators talk about floors we have a serious one around 5-6 cents per th/s, seems like this one is a barrier at which shutdowns and efficiency tweaking start to happen.

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Latest Block:   808816  (5 minutes ago)
Current Pace:   95.5979%  (401 / 419.47 expected, 18.47 behind)

I wonder if I'll have time to log off till it turns positive!

1133  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to get profit when have PC is idle and unused in home on: September 22, 2023, 06:42:59 AM
however you can consider mining ETH,LTC,or XMR as they they demand lesser computation power.

ETH is unnminalbe for a year, LTC is a waste of time with GPU, XMR would yield pennies

If you insist on mining BTC you can get a computer with better computation power  and don't forget to consider the electrical cost in your locality before venturing mining as it is very power consuming.

There is no computer for sale in this world that can mine Bitcoin at a profit!
Stop giving advice when you know absolutely nothing about mining, you're just just going to ake some poor guy waste his time and money with it.

Don't use your PC to mine cryptocurrency, it will be burnt very quickly and mining with PC is not profitable.

Common, there is no such thing, let's not go to the other extremes right now!
Computers don't burn out like 100 years over left alone, all of them have protections, and they will shut down once overheat, I have a 10 years computer at home right now still open and I've been traveling for a month and it's still doing fine, sometimes even standing for hours at 100% load as it has daily task s to run and I never thought of it crashing let alone burning!

Anyhow:
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So what should I do to earn profit when have a PC not used and lying idle in my home?.

Sell it and start a business!
You're actually losing money as that computer depreciates and you'll be selling it for scrap in two to three years.
Already that GPU is almost useless for anyone trying to build anything else other than a computer for watching youtube and sending emails, and for those guys a built-in video recording is just as good.

1134  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin miners energy usage has exceeded 50%, where is Elon? on: September 22, 2023, 06:30:27 AM
Why would Elon even care?
I love how we have 100 topics about this but nobody actually reads the article, because the title is enough, right?

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The Bitcoin network, with its continually increasing hash rate, has seen a corresponding decrease in its emissions intensity, according to recent reports from Bloomberg. Analyst Jamie Coutts explained that this trend is contrary to most other industries and could potentially trigger the next wave of institutional investment.

So it's an analyst expressing his opinion, there is no real data, just claims based on other people's claims!

Kind of ironic how everyone can get excited about this when just the other week we had this:
A crypto-mining company in Pennsylvania is seeking to burn tires to produce bitcoin, prompting an outcry from residents and environmental groups.

If the so-called Bitcoin mining council would really wanted to prove they used 50% renewable they would have done a simple thing, talk bout this this:
https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Seven%20Cryptominers%20Responses%20to%20Senator%20Warren.pdf

Stronghold:

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Through the first three quarters of 2021, Scrubgrass emitted 412,445 tons of CO2 and produced
243,068 MWh of power. The final 2021 numbers for Scrubgrass are not yet available. Panther Creek
emitted approximately 203,109 tons of CO2 in 2021 and produced 146,783 MWh of power in 2021. As
discussed above, we are actively pursuing a variety of mechanisms to mitigate our carbon emission output.
Our 2021 emissions data is still preliminary but our final figures will be reported in accordance with
regulatory requirements.

The cumulative estimated metric tons of CO2 produced by the Facilities to supply this power required for Bitcoin operations is 1,284,360.

Greenidge

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In connection with Requests 1 and 2, the Dresden facility is permitted to emit up to
641,878 tons of CO2e on a rolling twelve-month basis.

The others didn't want to mention it are claimed they are just busing energy provided by the grid and!

So, in a letter addressed to a US Senator, not a single member showed any proof of mining directly with renewables, all the renewable energy comes from the grid, so it would be simply stupid at this point to call an industry greener than another when they are consuming the same thing.

Elon is stupid cunt but this greenwashing must also stop!
1135  Economy / Economics / Re: Small Scale Business Ideas on: September 22, 2023, 04:39:21 AM
How do you find capital for investment?

You go to a bank! Ironic, isn't it?

Let's talk about small scale businesses that have low risks and promising profits so that we can have capital to invest and become passive income in the future.

So we have
-low risk
-promising profits
-passive income

In short, let's talk about unicorns and carebears!

Why do people whose dreams want to look for low risk but with big profits.

Because nobody wants to lose money, work their ass for and not become rich in 1 year, the same reason most of those businesses fail in the first years as everyone is daydreaming while making their plans.

I've seen hundreds here on different topics claiming how agriculture is successful, how it can save a country from recession, how is a guaranteed win, how everything and when I tell them you need to work your ass all day, all year with no holiday except winter, difference between Wednesday and Sunday for something that might end with a profit margin of under 10% (profit not operating profit) by the end of the year they all act surprised.

If you live in a remote area where there are not many advanced users of digital devices, this kind of business is definitely sustainable.

Who is going to need these services in a remote area that usually comes with 100 or 20 people living in a village?
And how are you going to make a living out of this?
1136  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: No matter the pressure don't release on: September 21, 2023, 09:02:11 AM
In a decentralized, P2P service, you are always in control of your funds and at no time do you give that up to the exchange or any other party until the trade is done.

So let me get this right, how on earth are you still in control of your funds till the trade is done?
It means the other guy would have to wire you the money and only when you receive those you send the coins?

No, that's not how it happens! The moment you initiate the trade the money gets locked on that platform, and you're not opening trade on any of those without depositing money, which means they have left your control!
1137  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Nexo - Anyone got any experience with them? on: September 21, 2023, 08:36:38 AM
Considering the real-time audit, Nexo got completely different business model from what took place in Celsius, where they had a clear Ponzi scheme.

There is no different business model!
Celsius didn't go ponzi, they simply overlend money and a liquidity crash took them down s they had money in all the wrong places.
Nexo is, for now, it just playing it safer, acting more like a traditional bank but this doesn't mean that's safe and doesn't mean that it will guarantee any kind of profits whatsoever.

As for audits, we have all seen how much trust you can put in those, Binance got a perfect audit then the company decided to cut all ties with them.

Also, Nexo got licenses in US and EU which is a very good sign since all shady companies avoid these locations at all costs and usually prefer having a registration in some offshore zone.

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-11#:~:text=Specifically%2C%20the%20SEC's%20order%20notes,EIP%20accounts%20of%20U.S.%20investors.

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“We charged Nexo with failing to register its retail crypto lending product before offering it to the public, bypassing essential disclosure requirements designed to protect investors,” said SEC Chair Gary Gensler. “Compliance with our time-tested public policies isn’t a choice. Where crypto companies do not comply, we will continue to follow the facts and the law to hold them accountable. In this case, among other actions, Nexo is ceasing its unregistered lending product as to all U.S. investors.”

You were saying....



1138  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: No matter the pressure don't release on: September 21, 2023, 07:39:41 AM
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I can't really tell if he never did or did the transaction the first time. But from the alert I received I can see two different dates 14/09/2023 which is the first day of the transaction,  and the second date 15/09/2023 was the day I received the payment.

Yeah, you've said it earlier that it was 30 hours after that so, guess it couldn't have been just a day, especially since it's a working hours time delay on. Probably you know the dates way better and he might have squeezed in somehow and after all at this point it doesn't matter anymore. But, I myself would avoid this guy next time!

He definitely didn’t pay the first time, he just came up with a fake transaction receipt, if OP had actually copied the transaction ID on the re receipt and contacted his bank with that information they would have told you that the transaction didn’t exist then.

My hunch too, is there are scammers that don't pay a dime and there are stupid morons that pray on a possible 5% in price by delaying transactions over the weekend claiming bank's fault, if the exchange rate is favorable they pay if not they claim it's a problem and just cancel the deal.

I can't argue with your math, it is correct  Smiley
However, I still think that these p2p exchanges need a better chance simply because they don't get your ID just for trading your pocket money (I don't talk about whales and day traders here).

Which would make a no kyc exchange better than p2p deals?  Grin
Or would mean that you're safer if you stop trading real bitcoins and just play with derivates with your own bank if they start offering it.

Honestly, I don't know anymore, I was discussing at one point what's more dangerous, and well, I'm not convinced 100% that making p2p deals with somebody you don't know is way safer than dealing with a CEX, ad this is why?

Don't get me wrong, I completely hate CEX, I hate the charade that is called bitcoin cards with a visa logo, and I hate Binance and CZ probably the most on this entire forum, but let's not ignore facts, CEX are more convenient, that's why they are used because I don't have to contact some stranger, I don't have to log in my bank accounts and make a payment to exactly Quassam Bon Loden of exactly 1446.6 Euros to this account AD1400080001001234567890 and not one wrong letter and number.
1139  Economy / Economics / Re: If They Can Pay off their Debts, Why Don't They? on: September 21, 2023, 12:26:43 AM
But another big question is who are these big nations owning such big amounts of money from?

To other nations.
Which are indebted to other nations.
Which are indebted to the first nations.

Here is how the European crisis that was supposed to destroy Europe back in 2013  looked really like when Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece were all going to go bankrupt. Funny though, no such happened!



You can have one quadrillion in debt, if the others also owe you one quadrillion it means you have a zero balance, but still your debt is one quadrillion. But god forbid doomsayers look at this detail!



1140  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: No matter the pressure don't release on: September 20, 2023, 07:21:29 PM
Damn, the title sounds like some BSDM movie!

One thing that struck me:

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It wasn't up to 10 minutes after he contacted his bank I received the payment in my account.

I don't believe that the bank was someone able to solve and transfer your money the balance reflect in your account in 10 minutes after not being able to do in 2 days, you said he had proven that he had sent the payment with documents, by chance can you compare the proofs with the current transfer as I tend to believe that as in many cases he didn't pay at all the first time and only under pressure and maybe because of a good fluctuation in exchange rates he agreed to do so!

[Yep, this has to be written more often, since I fear that the people used to CEXs can a bit too easy make mistakes and then blame and avoid P2P, and return to CEX, give their ID to everybody and so on, when P2P exchanges should be the norm.

In this situation:
CEX - the CEX, their bank, your bank, you
P2P  -the P2P platform, the other guy, the other guy bank, your bank, you

A bit two many peers above 2!


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