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1161  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is your take on Mt. Gox refund ? on: September 16, 2023, 04:34:31 AM
I was surprised to see this article as I've had no communication that any distribution is incoming.  They claim in the article the refunds will be sent out by the end of next month.  While this would be great news, it is surprising to see someone making this claim.  I would assume that if the distribution was this close that I would have received some sort of notification. 

It's not news, it's the date that was decided in the last meeting by that master of postponements Kobayashi.
https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20230309_announcement_en.pdf

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Having obtained the permission of the court, the Rehabilitation Trustee has also
changed the Base Repayment Deadline, Early Lump-Sum Repayment Deadline and
Intermediate Repayment Deadline from September 30, 2023 (Japan time) to October 31,
2023 (Japan time) following the change of the deadline for the Selection and Registration.

The article just made it sounds like it was decided now but everyone knows about it from March, if I recall correctly in May they had the final amendments on that plan so they can't really change anything anymore, just again postpone it.

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As anyone gotten paid already or it's another rumour? It's not the first time that I will hear that payment to all those affected years ago has begin, it's all a lie or rumour until it's unproven not to be, I do not think it's ever going to happen again.

A final court decision on a rehabilitation plan is a rumor or a lie to you?

9 years have already passed since the hack, does anyone really think that after such a long time Bitcoins will be returned?
This is all because I am almost sure that this won't happen.

What makes you think they will not?

Mt.Gox has launched multiple compensation options for investors, be it USD or some altcoins, not just BTC. Therefore, we cannot know how many bitcoins will be distributed to the market if MT.gox actually compensates investors.

Yes we all know the numbers, you just have to use Google to find all the documents stating the amount held by the trustee right now.

I will never believe that MT.Gox will return the bitcoin

The coins are no longer held by MtGox and there is no MtGox anymore.

Guys seriously, rather than making one foot long pyramides quotes why don't you make a single search or if that's impossible for you and you still need to voice your opinion without knowing one thing about this issue why not tone it down a little?


1162  Economy / Reputation / Re: Is there anything unusual in these screenshot? on: September 16, 2023, 04:16:08 AM
I think the OP seems to be questioning possible abuse of the merit system at one of the local board - but I don't think the OP has much guts to reveal who he suspects other than trying to throw mud at the reputation board.

Why, is the suspect Chuck Norris?  Grin
If the OP didn't have guts he would have used a throwaway account to do so, what he did is pretty normal he censored the name to show only the important thing, everyone could if they wanted find out as it has who the guys are, what was meant here was to simply analyze the merit distribution.
So, why are you so angry at OP?

Its nothing that we haven't seen before, that members of local boards sometimes tend to have a lower standards or are more generous when it comes to merit. Another thing is that its easier to express yourself in your own native language, so members of some boards that are not so fluent in English struggle to earn merit in general part of the forum, compared to their own local board. Then again, I also woulnd't exclude the possibility of good old merit abuse but that's something that is much harder to prove.

From the start I'm not accusing the two as I didn't even bother to check what they post as I'm getting really bored about this, it' 's so obvious local boards are full of account farmers, they farm the merit step-by-step there then start polluting the BD and BH with merit fishing posts, make the 100 merit threshold and then instantly signature applications only for some of them to inevitably ending up in the wall of shame thread also.

And even if we prove it, merit abuse is not tag-worthy anymore, having 1000 accounts is neither as long as they don't enter the same campaign it's just a useless investigation uncovering a dozen accounts while a hundred more are in the making. We just have to come back to tagging shitposter and spammers and that would eliminate the need for all the detective work.




1163  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If only property I have is bitcoin on: September 16, 2023, 03:55:02 AM
So I was asking myself different questions because I have no wife and no child, then I began to think and be questioning myself if it will be good to at least tell one person in my family my seed phrase or should I keep having the perso secret of my seed phrase personal or should I keep my bitcoin document on my wardrobe were they can easily see my seed phrase, that time I was of full of thinking,

10 pages on the same topic locked just a week ago:
How do we transfer bitcoin wealth to heirs and the next generation

So, start by searching if not 1000 people have asked the same question 1000 times before!

right now I'm thinking to myself and my investment and if only investment I have is bitcoin and when I'm no more who will manage my bitcoin investment

Do you really care that much about what happens to your Bitcoin investment once you're no longer in this world?
Focus more on living than on what you're going to leave!
1164  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Remitano exchange allegedly hacked for $2.7M on: September 15, 2023, 07:39:34 PM
I think it's hidden to non register twitter account but if you login you can find their announcement about this news.
Check this tweet a few hours ago
- https://twitter.com/remitano/status/1702616445862265265?t=N5obRKMFW-0iBRPGOkRtAQ&s=19

There is no such thing as hidden tweets, it's just that the tweet is newer than my post, there was nothing when I checked and you can see that from the dates. Besides, even when I made this the news was already 10 hours old and the funds were blocked more than one day ago!
Most likely they never realized what happened till people started calling them!
They claimed that they discovered the breach on the 14th but till miday the 15th they didn't say a word!

Will this be a useless hack? Almost 90% of assets that are USDT (ERC20 and TRC20) have been frozen and the rest in ETH instead deposited into centralized services.

Hihi, centralized exchanges and centralized blockchain to the rescue!  Grin
1165  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: COMMUNITY HORRIFIED BY PLAN TO BURN TIRES TO PRODUCE BITCOIN not a good situatio on: September 15, 2023, 09:44:48 AM

Filters could cut the emissions down to acceptable levels.  But I need 25 cu ft of rubber mulch and I still prefer mulching tires 🛞 not burning them.
how do you create rubber mulch out of tires? there's more than just rubber in them. there's metal wires.

You chop them mechanically into small pieces and then pass all that through a chamber with a magnetic field, all the steel is perfectly removed, quite a simple procedure. Here is a video on it this is a small-scale operation, but the main principles are the same. Compared to how aluminium cans are sorted this is nothing.

you mean like sulfer dioxide? i heard that stuff is dangerous.

NoX and SoX, all the compounds in those two families are things you don't want to breathe.

Cleaner and more environmental friendly sources of energy can always be sort, the environment is already very damaged, we do not need to contribute more to it. This company need to know that since they are crypto related, they will receive a lot of backlash for this kind of suggestion. They need not to have created the chance for this discussion in the first place. Burning tires should never have been an option.

Yeah, right, like the community will care.
The exact opposite will happen, they will start defending it with things like if they won't burn it then somebody else will so it's better if crypto miners do. Seen enough of this greenwashing happening around to know how this will turn into an textbook whataboutism defense!
1166  Economy / Exchanges / Remitano exchange allegedly hacked for $2.7M on: September 15, 2023, 09:22:24 AM
Remitano exchange allegedly hacked for $2.7M; $1.4M frozen by Tether

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Crypto exchange Remitano experienced large withdrawals under suspicious circumstances on Sept. 14, with some blockchain analysts concluding that it may have been hacked. A total of $2.7 million worth of crypto has been withdrawn through the suspicious transactions. Tether has frozen one address the attacker allegedly used, potentially saving $1.4 million worth of customers’ crypto.
Tether subsequently froze the address to prevent the attacker from cashing out USDT, which prevented $1.4 million of the drained crypto from being moved any further. Remitano has not yet issued a statement regarding the incident.

Now this is a strange one, completely different from the recent ones like coinex and stake at least on how the situation evolves.
There is absolutely no news from Remitano for the allegedly hack, but the suspicious moving funds have been frozen, I've checked their Twitter and there is no news no update about this, it might be one event in a thousand when the exchange is not hacked and totally legit funds are frozen.

 
1167  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Coinex hacked, $18M stolen? on: September 15, 2023, 09:11:54 AM
The exchange just issued an official statement about the matter[1]. According to them this is just a small "amount" of what their reserves have, and affected users will be compensated. Am I the only one who finds this a bit hard to believe?

One of the Tweets mentions:
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We assure all users: your assets are secure and untouched.

When you come up with this kind of bs after 40 million in coins definitely leaving your wallets it's pretty hard for anyone to take them seriously on this matter. No, the assets are not secure and are not untouched, as we speak they are getting touched by thousands of people in some swaps. I do kind of feel bad for Coinex being a relative old guard exchange but with the amount of shitcoins it listed it never managed to ure me into creating an account.

And here comes the usual stuff, united we stand, we will overcome, we need more time to investigate, c ya!
https://twitter.com/coinexcom/status/1702563038296154415
1168  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Never Marry a Coin/Project - Practically Example on: September 15, 2023, 09:00:17 AM
Sorry, but this doesn't make sense!

Let's assume that he had those $3 million at peak doge value, that's $0.731578, doge is -91.59% at $0.061578.
He would still have $246 575 so he just lost $4 000 of his initial investment.
Those numbers are impossible!
OP said he also borrowed money, if most of the doge has been sold to pay off the loan+interest it might make sense.

Then it makes even less sense as he must have sold way earlier, that is at a bigger price so he would still be in green even now, plus even if we assume he has sold prior to the last three screenshots, the last two don't make sense either, he claims he is holding and suddenly the value drops from 21k to 6k, how would that be possible since doge dropped only 20% in those whole two months, not 3 days!

He is either trolling or doing it for attention, the numbers don't make sense unless he is moving and trading coins actively, so he's lying about hodling!
1169  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: CFTC attacks DeFi projects on: September 15, 2023, 02:36:35 AM
I guess it's not as decentralized as the name makes it sound.

It's the name that matters, you can sell now everything in crypto just with a label, and furthermore, I think it's getting worse, if a "project" doesn't have DefI, NFT, and many other stupid things in its description it doesn't get any traction. You need to cram everything in its whitepaper despite knowing you're going to end with a copycat of a copycat of a CEX and a shitty token.

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The order finds that although Opyn took certain steps to exclude U.S. persons from accessing the Opyn Protocol, such as blocking users with U.S. internet protocol addresses, those steps were not sufficient to actually block U.S. users from accessing the Opyn Protocol.

Completely decentralized, permissionless and censorship resistant also I assume!  Grin

I guess the profit outweighs the cons since they just get fined for less than $1 million for now.

I don't think that's the case for all of those platforms:
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Deridex was an Algorand-powered derivatives platform. However, the project abruptly shut down in February, causing its TVL to fall from about $150,000 to $133 as of Sept. 8, according to DefiLlama.
So this one went bust before even being fined, the other one is powered by a token with $400k in market cap, so hardly affordings millions.
1170  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Huobi global rebranded name to HTX on: September 15, 2023, 02:16:17 AM
Oh nice, so we have
- FTX that went boom
- GTX that thank you god never materialized (3AC was behind it)
- OKX the champion of 95% wash trading
and now HTX...

These guys are running out of ideas you don't become big just because your name is short or easy to remember, you do it by providing good services, not fleecing your customers and not having shady individuals behind it.

And what's this "commitment to being all in TRON"? If I'm not mistaken, even Huobi's native currency is built on Ethereum. And it's an exchange, why "all in TRON"? All kinds of coins on different networks and tokens are all there.

Because they see TRON as a better option than ETH right now, they've already planned on creating a ton of junk there, far more lucrative than a token which they can easily swap if they really care about it. With USDT gaining more and more volume on TRON and losing momentum on ETH they try to be in the winning team once.


1171  Economy / Economics / Re: If the global economy collapses what's the first thing you do? on: September 14, 2023, 03:14:29 PM
Put a bullet through my head!

Yeah, you've read it right, if we talk about a global total collapse it would be stupid to try to live on the shit that comes next.
We've never had a total collapse, we had a crisis, a complete failure never happened even in ww2, what are you going to prepare for?

I'm genuinely laughing at the people saying they will buy necessities, and what happens when they run out? Or that they will keep some BTC and other altcoins, what the f* are you going to trade those on in total collapse where nobody will care but for food and medicine?
Some of you don't understand how that thing would look, it will mean bye-bye banks, bye-bye infrastructure, bye-bye employment, and you imagine you will still have a way to trade 24/7 and people will still be able to wire money and such? And if it's a total collapse and everyone is out of a job, what will you get for those bitcoins and why would anyone buy them from you?

Some of you have no idea what a total collapse means, you still think of it like some 2009 crisis, but that's nothing close to a collapse!


1172  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: My crypto news site - cryptotalk.tech on: September 14, 2023, 02:32:36 PM
So it is a news aggregator and you have a plugin that retrieves the first paragraph from other websites and adds a link if the user wants to continue reading the actual article and not just two words about it. Which might be your biggest weakness.
You are wrong my friend, the plugin retrieves the full article with the main image, and it doesn't add the link to the source.

I'm not wrong and just because you tweaked it afterward doesn't change a thing:
https://archive.ph/kAadL
So, how do you explain that? It has a link and it didn't retrieve the full article!

And again, users are not redirected to other sites, maybe if you navigate the site you will understand the dynamic.

I'm not interested at all in keeping users or in selling something to them, i just want to have a site where i can read the news from different sources in one place, and if it works fine for me maybe some users will find it useful too.

So you think users will stay on your website for this?
https://archive.ph/ohPVs
https://archive.ph/VPfyn

Let me be extremely blunt with you, if you're going to copy full articles from other news website and go over their self imposed limits of 500 characters, 100 words or whatever they will hit you with DMCA request, once you start getting those you can kiss your google search rank goodbye.

Don't you think you should still have the source of the article cited? This can be interpreted as plagiarism, which can have a very bad effect on the rating on Google.
At least in these few articles that I have opened, the source is not listed, but it is presented as written by the site admin.

He's going to have to learn it the hard way it seems, but that was my last advice, since he's not even honest with what he does then I'm wasting my time.
1173  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is your take on Mt. Gox refund ? on: September 14, 2023, 02:17:14 PM
It's not a huge dump, geesh. 500 million against a 500 billion market cap timed out over weeks.

It's 5 billion and the size is irrelevant to the market cap.
For example, the 500 billion is made out of these coins too and at least 10% of it is made from easily mined coins that have never been moved, so it's not like people have poured till now 500 billion into Bitcoin. And more importantly, what matters is not the virtual value of those coins, but how much money is available right now for further investments. Do you think there are 5 billion waiting on line to gulp those coins at any moment?

Cause if there aren't and let's say just half of this awaits in buying orders then go to the largest pair and do a simulation what a 5000 not 100k BTC BTC dump would cause !

I don’t know but I didn’t trust them and they might end up not repaying the victims since they know that their exchange has already lose its reputation in the cryptocurrency space.


There is no longer a "them" or an "exchange" the funds are overseen by a trustee appointed by the court, and nobody from the former exchange hs any say in it anymore.
1174  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is your take on Mt. Gox refund ? on: September 14, 2023, 01:28:56 PM
There's will be no huge dump even the distribution is successfully done, just a short dump and then next few weeks the price will recover back.

But as usual with these kind of things, the price will correct itself back to normal as if it had never happened.

I'm rather curious what makes you think the price will immediately bounce back after this?
The price is going down right now and has been doing so, another influx of coins to be sold on the market for sure it will make it go lower, so what would cause the pump again, and why was not happening prior to this, like a bump back to 30k or 35k?

Asking cause I've heard that at 40 at 35 at 30 and here we are still not bouncing and if this continues for sure almost everyone that is in profit over MtGox will dump, it's been 10 years, some of those that had coins at MtGox had been retired, look at the age of some of the early investors that were around that time, Gavin is 57! Andreas is 51, Saylor is 58, Tim Draper is 65!!!!! A lot will not wait for the "recovery" and if that is 4 years in the making do you think they will give a damn anymore?
1175  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Never Marry a Coin/Project - Practically Example on: September 14, 2023, 01:04:16 PM
In just 69 days after investing in Dogecoin, Glauber's $250,000 dollar investment had turned to about $3,000,000 dollars(three million dollars), But Glauber did not sell, neither did he take profit, he held onto his dogecoin strongly believing that dogecoin will hit $1 per coin before the 2021 bull run ends, bull eventually came to an end and prices started going down, but Glauber never sold or bothered to take profit..

As of between August and September of 2023, the screenshot below, taken from his official X account, tells the current state of that $250,000 dollars investment, which was once worth $3 million dollars..


Sorry, but this doesn't make sense!

Let's assume that he had those $3 million at peak doge value, that's $0.731578, doge is -91.59% at $0.061578.
He would still have $246 575 so he just lost $4 000 of his initial investment.
Those numbers are impossible!

1176  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bullish Case for Bitcoin, reloaded. on: September 14, 2023, 10:00:37 AM
I think so but it seems that most of merchants still afraid to use btc as medium of payment because the price is still volatile. I think this problem should be fixed, what if in every transaction merchants always get money in form of fiat and cryptocurrency from the customers automatically traded in exchange? it will need certain app to do that

Those have been around for years, Bitpay was established in 2011!

growth based on usage will only start when the possibility of earning x2 or x5  will be the same as from holding Coca cola or Walmart shares. Till then, the coins are too precious to be spent!
I hope I interpret your post right - you consider then Bitcoin has to become less volatile (above all to the upside) to boost growth based on usage? (judging from the price of the shares you mention)

Not quite!
It can still be volatile but it has to reach a point where future growth can't be possible in double digits no matter how bullish you are, all currencies can become volatile for a period and even now with all the drops and ups Bitcoin is doing any major ones either, still confined in 10% a month. The problem is that many see the 1 million or more mark as possible in a bull run or even believe Saylor dribbles about $5 million, would those spend if they think at least 100x from now on is possible in a year time? Of course not, they will keep their coins in their wallets and not spend a dime and you can't really blame them.

So I think there is a mentality change needed in the community, as Bitcoin is not only a technology but also a social system. Of course, you can't impose such a change, that's why I wrote about incentives.

Agree with you but the change has happened and continues to happen in the opposite direction.

One factor indeed is that fees must be cheaper, and my best guess is that this could become possible with a combination of better LN software and sidechains/rollups to circumvent the "monkey issue". Smiley

LN alone is proving to be too much of a hurdle for the average Joe and even for merchants, if we're going to overcomplicate this is going to end in failure.

Without usage as a currency is not something you need to worry about because it is used as a currency every single day. Maybe we do not hear about it because it is not talked about that much but online payments are shifting towards more and more bitcoin, a lot more online websites that started to accept bitcoin and that means that it is going to be possible way more.

We don't need to hear about it because we have the blockchain.
Before the ordinals,  periods of 1sat/b fee were common which meant that the usage was below the 400k/tx a day possible, if you look at the number of confirmed tx you can see that it averaged 250k a day for the last year, way below 2021.
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/charts/n-transactions
Merchants accepting bitcoin was part of the problem but right now it's people willing to buy something for Bitcoin!



1177  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: [INFO - DISCUSSION] Security Budget Problem on: September 14, 2023, 09:43:21 AM
2024 only 3.125 coins and say .25 in fees.
2036 only 0.390625 coins and say .70 in fees.  so in 2036 a block with fees is about 1.1 btc

and a coin would need to be 154k

with the 2x diff and 2x efficiency the net work gear value would be about the same and the
market cap would be 3 trillion so now you are guarding 3 trillion with only 5 billion in gear

while today you are guarding 0.5 trillion with 5 billion in gear. same power cost. so not as terrible as it seems. but that 3 trillion would be easier to attack than the 500 billion is now.

As I've said it too a lot of times, the security to market cap ratio will definitely fall if it's not propped by the still going up block reward, because if BTC goes up x4 times the fees will not automatically do the same, people won't pay 4x in tx just because a BTC is more expensive now.

So in the .70 fees, 154k a coin you will need $107k in fees, the last block had $3,375, who is going to pay 30x times more? I really wanna see the guys who will be paying $25 to buy a pizza or send money to a casino just because now BTC is at $150k and not use a different coin. The solution is clear, we need more tx to split the cost and increase the overall volume, but, that's not going to happen.

i think it's going to come down to transaction fees going up and then maybe we'll move from the 8-digit to the 10-digit designation

That change won't do anything but regarding the fees, they will only go up by how much people want to pay, if they don't want to do so they simply won't, not even counting that they might not even want to move their coins at all, let alone pay $25 to do so. 

1178  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2023 Diff thread now opened. on: September 14, 2023, 09:22:32 AM
and it will come in at some number no one picks or better yet stompix picks it

If that happens cancel all your travel plans as all airplanes will be grounded cause of the 1 billion pigs flying around, I know my predictions are 10 times worse than tossing a coin so when it finally happens it for sure will come with something else enough to offset my joy in it.

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Latest Block:   807605  (10 minutes ago)
Current Pace:   101.1010%  (1206 / 1192.87 expected, 13.13 ahead)
Previous Retarget:   September 6, 2023 at 5:24 AM  (-2.6452%)

It's hovering around 100% pace, went up a bit then down then last 24h had 151 blocks but still lower overall than 14th, I see on the map the whole of Texas is going below 32C so who knows how much of that paused hashrate will come back online. Probably by the start of October when no heatwaves would be able to affect any of the major players and it's not cold enough for heating we will see the whole numbers, but I doubt there will be such a big difference.
1179  Economy / Economics / Re: Economics 101. Stagflation. on: September 11, 2023, 07:07:15 PM
Stagflation is an economic cycle, or condition, when there's slow growth, low demand, low employment, BUT high "sticky" inflation. That's where many countries are probably going.

Which ones?
Inflation is going down so you can't talk about high and ticky inflation unless it's Argentina or Turkey or Iran!
Employment is going up in most countries again, some even hit record employment levels this year!
So, in order to qualify for stagflation, is there any country (that matters globally) that meets those criteria?

Right now it's far more possible we're going to get hit with a recession and deflation rather than stagflation!
1180  Economy / Economics / Re: The Bullish Case for Bitcoin, reloaded. on: September 11, 2023, 06:45:42 PM
It's not that they forgot. They never cared!
Sometimes I'm becoming as fatalist as you Wink But even if many people don't care, it can make sense to think about the reasons for Bitcoin being "stuck" at this "speculative asset stage" and how this could improve, in particular which incentives could get people to get "on track" to a more P2P cash-friendly stance again.

I'm not really a fatalist, a tiny variation, I don't see it happening based on the current situation, so the radical difference is that I believe change can happen only that we don't have the right ingredients right now, there is no carrot, there is no stick, and the other side is just too tempting.

I've seen it way to many times around here, with users cheering for every shop opening, and then when it comes to buying something they will not do it because Lazlo was stupid for buying a pizza with BTC so I can say it without hesitation that growth based on usage will only start when the possibility of earning x2 or x5  will be the same as from holding Coca cola or Walmart shares. Till then, the coins are too precious to be spent!

And you said incentives? Which ones?
Remember that credit cards and their chargebacks are good for the consumers, but businesses hate them, Bitcoin is good for the business as there are none but consumers won't like it! Cheap fees? Oh, let's not even bring this into the discussion right now in this orc borg monkey clusterfuck!

Oh and one more thing:

I don't see current (particularly mobile) wallet software as that difficult to use. However, I think you're correct that there is room for improvement particularly in the field "protect the user from him/herself". I don't know that many mobile wallets, but for example a simple function only allowing to spend a certain amount per day (as it's common in bank accounts) could help there.

Out of twenty or thirty people I've gone on holiday this year and managed to take a glimpse at their phone when sharing stuff or videos, me and my wife were the only ones that used an adblock. Everyone who noticed this asked us how, as right now I don't know if a single one of them really installed it. Don't underestimate the difficulty of using a wallet, it might be child's play for us, but you can see for yourself in this forum alone how many crypto users still have problems with basic things like setting up fees!
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