The one painting the map was the one that made the mistake, the prices in their math, as stated in the methodology are influenced by this: https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/
And the most expensive places are, in reverse order Germany,Denmark,Belgium,Austria,Italy.
The weird thing is that he has mistaken Austria for Australia but was able to put New Zealand on a map, usually, lazy people simply forget about it. Looking at Australia at 0.231 it should be like 20% more expensive than New Zealand at 0.183 and 3 times cheaper than Italy.

One more thing would be why is Poland green and Romania magenta when Romania has cheaper electricity according to the same source, but like who really cares about those details when the whole thing is just stupid.

Oh finally someone!!!!!   1:20, not bad not terrible!


Fading away?
USA - Breeders' Cup, $50 million bet on 5 races, $200 million over the two days, 50k spectators each day,
Australia - Everest, $15 million, 45 000 attendance
British Champions Day ,  £30 million in bets, £5million prize money, 25 000 spectators
Saudi Cup $30 million pool prize, Dubai World Cup $12 million  pool prize
Japan World Cup, 100 thousand attendance, 6 million for the winner

Somebody paid for the Derby winner Fusaichi Pegasus $70 million and horse racing is dying?


Yup, I need to plan it nicely, make it easy to enter, and at the same time force the participants to at least know how many legs a horse has!
And, yeah, somebody will be winning definitely, even if nobody manages to get any race winner I will still hand the prize to the guy that got closest to something, like one that managed to choose a horse that got at least second or third. I need to think about this!

And where is that court decision you're talking about?
The only case is that of Craig vs Kleiman and even if Craig won as by not having to pay half of 1.1 million BTC to Kleiman no judge would be able to claim in that case that he is Satoshi,  they just ruled that he has to pay Kleiman $100 million in damages and not 500 000 BTC that's all, the rest is speculation.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf


Infamous?  

If I were I would sue your doctor in case he prescribed you anything weird lately.
You might win more in damages than trading or holding Bitcoin as it obviously caused you something pretty serious!


Told ya, this is something weird, next you're going to hear colors and smell sounds.

Now ignoring all the BS, it doesn't matter who invented what and what his views would be,Tor was developed by the US military, the NRL branch, does that stop you from using it?  And let's not even talk about who and why invented Fanta!
Satoshi can come back and be a racist transexual homophobic gun lover anti-abortion muslim communist Illuminati reptilian hater, the code won't change.

No, it's not!
Miners don't dictate the fees as a bank does, clients choose how much they are willing to pay for it.
That's why with the same block reward we had days of fees of 1sat/b and of 200sat/b.
Nobody is going to pay $1000 worth of BTC for a tx when buying a $40 pizza.


Of all the fillings I've read coming from mining companies that are forced to release data, nothing was able to beat Marathon Group Beowulf coal powerplant costs at 2.10 cents/kwh. Sustainable energy doesn't mean cheap energy!


Lighting Network!

Isn't that what pure gambling is about? I like it when there are so many variables there is sometimes like littery nothing to do and just go with your guts!


Not planing on doing that, I will just run out of my own funds as it's just for my own entertainment, just as I still pay for a diablo server despite not playing there for almost two years, I just like that chaat and the guys meeting there.


I don't know what's faster than a 5 or 6 furlong race like the upcoming sprint cup 
You know the time, you place the bet, and in 1 minute it's game over, Your horse blew the start and you can close the website already. Plus talking about a thrilling experience, one 2 miles 4f long jumping race with 16 fences that your horse can blow any time is more thrilling than the 11-meter penalties, It's one jump and all over not like you have the chance to recover. Probably it's just me but horse racing looks like chucking down monster energy cans one after other while roulette is sipping Aperol.

Oh, I'm not trying to convince you to strat betting, just lol, just pointing out things!


Not going to promote any website but almost every one of the established ones offers live coverage, I watch all UK and Irish festivals directly on the betting platform. For Japan and Australia, different time zone that's a pain in the ass and ruins everything! Same with stuff from US like the Kentucky Derby which I never, neverrrr! managed to see it live in the last 10 years!


Thanks for making me feel like a grandpa! jk!


You can just go with a winning horse, or a 2-place insurance, there is no need to focus on things like a trifecta!
But, in my short-lived thread, I did manage to hit a perfect 1,2,3 place on the second day.

Let's keep this as simple as possible and let's not shitpost!

I see thousands of posts about football, a few hundred about other sports, and the rest are just almost non-existent. I'm a gambler myself but I stopped a while ago betting on soccer, all the Nxx in American sports and I'm just betting now and then on horse racing, from one penny at a time to some larger sums in case of a grade 1 event or festival.
But here it seems like there is little interest in this, is that because horse racing is just unpopular or is it because, well,.... the casinos that sponsor most signatures here are not promoting it? So no post quota to make?   My old local gambling forum that covered this is also near death, I'm sitting in the sun 8 hours a day boring myself to death, so here comes feedback next part :

- Do you honestly think running a prediction game (run with my own funds) would attract genuine interest in this and not just shitposting quota?
- Would let's say 1-2 mbtc (per event, about one or two per month) be enough for people here to at least open a few links and take a look at what hoses are running and what their timeform is?
- Is anyone here actually gambling on horse racing?

A long time ago I swore I was going to stop even trying to understand how the payments happen in the US but every single time I stumble upon this kind of gem and I kept wondering why in the name of god, why???
I have both my personal account and I do accounting for my family business now and then and take care of payments all we need is a bank account, we have an app with direct debiting, I just set up times, and maximum amounts so a mistake won't overcharge us millions, I can pay every single bill by just scanning a code and that's it, why, again why would I ever need a 3rd party service besides my bank? Do you know how much these costs? 1-5 euros a month depending on the package and if you want better deals with your debit/credit card.

Running a paypoint? If you have a small business it's 0.3% fee on sales, money goes instantly to your bank account, and you automatically get a credit line with zero interest for 3 months for 25% of your revenue in that period!

So, why would anyone still need paypal?
10 years ago? Yeah for sure, it was like star wars compared to the rest but nowadays? Meh!!!


Nice contradiction in just 4 lines of text.

Correlation does not imply causation and you know that all too well, the first one was just a coincidence, and the second one regarding unemployment is simply a no-go since the drop happened well before the numbers were released. I will not deny that major indexes do trigger shock waves in Bitcoin price, but I also don't think any of the small ones actually have even the tiniest effect, a rate rise or inflation going beyond prediction both ways will for sure do, I stated that myself numerous times arguing with guys that thought Bitcoin is immune to those, but for things like consumer indexes, no that really doesn't matter.

The pump was triggered by the court ruling, denying this when every single graph details this to the minute, sorry, it's just denial!

Just to make sure, I do believe that market news about indexes influences the market because they paint the picture of the economy which is basically the only thing that matters when it comes to money, but a consumer index triggering a nearly 15% while not even rate rise or inflation data being able to move it by more than 5% lately in the last few months is just a no.

One year later:


Lol!! One year wasted and instead of leading the world you beg for 77$.


This is a Ponzi scheme so it's tag worthy I guess.
But seeing you already have another 2 accounts still active and 100 already tagged I wonder if it makes any sense to do so!

I don't know why we bring up the aspect of money here, we're talking about 1kw at max generation hours so if we go by the most efficient things out there it will be 2$ a day as mikey said, but, that was assuming 24/7, and you're on extra PV, that would be 8 hours a day depending on where you live ? 60 cents? I think what we need to clear up first is how is your electricity system setup-up, do you have batteries or are you grid-tied or other, if you don't have storage capacity for the extra electricity then there is an avalanche of problems including the gear not working at all during one cloudy day because your already strained system can't generate enough extra power.

The other thing as heaters were mentioned, those were heaters that run on the grid, you have here a boiler that runs when you have extra energy, so for the comfort it's a big no. I understand the hobby part but it's going to be a pain in the ass to make it actually usable,  and if at any moment you're bringing the $ in the discussion it's already a futile attempt, with 150-200 you can get a water boiler, it draws around 2-3 kwh a day to keep the water warm if you don't use so you don't need to power up a gear again to reheat it (if you can ) and you don't need to release water if you reach boiling point either.


In $ it will never be worth it, if it's a hobby and he's doing it only for fun, yes it might be!

And you are?


I think we're turning the flag system into a debate at Athenes's Lyceum trying to figure out if water will still get you wet if you're taking a bath in a pool full of cola.


Me neither, the support stays!


If the site is still up (can't check over tor) then I assume the intenal note transfer is still up also.
So two or three users could combine the dust and ask for a withdrawal, if that doesn't happen then.. flagggggg!

Not even close!
The first real wave of ransomware happened in 2013 and just by the name "crypto locker" you can guess what the payment method was.
There was no major ransomware wave before that.

Also, Qakbot is not the ransomware, that is the payload, Qakbot is the backdoor gateway to send it, just because it was launched around 2008 doesn't mean it has been used for the same thing since then, it has been used to spread malware, viruses. Let's be honest with ourselves here, have you heard of a ransomware attack displaying an IBAN lately? 


Do you actually believe this?
Then how do you explain the FBI seizing 80 million in cash the other month, they could have just printed it, right? 

Bro!!!  


If you think an average wage that is still lower than all of Europe's minimum would put a dent in scamming businesses that thrive in millions you're living in a fantasy, There will be always victims, migrant workers from Bulgaria and Romania are sometimes abused in western Europe and we talk about economies with a nearly median of 1000 euros a month, girls from all over eastern Europe are trafficked and you think 200 a month would stop it?

What would stop it is people not falling for this shit!
The war on drugs can be won without one shot if people would simply stop taking drugs!


Every time I read about a Chinese scam happening in India I always see there is a small line that despite all the rest of the hate and fury against the mastermind paints the reality behind it. So just like here:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/how-scamsters-in-india-are-sending-thousands-of-crores-back-to-china/articleshow/99839197.cms
First the denial:
The the admission:

Common, you can't just blame China for this when India hosts like one thousand scammer call centers.
As for the Philipines itself, it's not even about being local, they are exporting it:
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2023/02/14/2244868/chinese-crypto-scams-targeting-filipinos-work-them-official

So, why would anyone choose to pay with crypto from their papal account when I can use a normal card and pay none of the fees?

This is starting to become infuriating, for real!
Bitcoin started as a "A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash".

And now, every single adoption from someone goes through an intermediary platform, and guess what, even if we exclude that major inconvenience that goes against the main principle behind it, it's also becoming more f* expensive to use crypto! I swear, sometimes I feel like I need to make a set of tinfoil hats because this looks like someone wanting to piss off Bitcoiners and intentionally making services available but with intermediaries and higher fees, just to make it look as Bitcoin payments are not the best alternatives.  No surprise that usage is losing steam and nearly everyone thinks of "investments" rather than daily payments.
/rant over!

So we should trust people on a forum rather than an official decision?

I don't understand why everyone is angry at OP, it is what it is!
Just because you and one hundred other people drive in a city at 70kmh and nobody gets a fine it doesn't mean that that limit is not 50kmph!
Porn is banned in some, alcohol is banned in some, and some countries have banned books and movies, just because people can get their land on it it doesn't mean there is no ban!


Isn't it ironic?
People cheer for BRICS and de-dollarization and there you have the list, no G7 or EU country while you have 3 out of 5 members from Brics there and the leading one has banned everything over and over. It would be interesting to see their ranking when it comes to freedom and press, seeing Russia and Iran in that list probably the bottom 20 in the world.

How would that even work in practice?
If miners would pay more than the other countries then what stops miners from going to Thailand now and paying there more than in Laos as Thailand will still get electricity cheaper than what miners pay in Laos?

Second, there si real data with clear numbers and this is for 2021 before electricity hit sky-high prices, so 2021 Laos exported:
24,399 GWh and received $1.96B, which goes to a relative price of 8.2 cents/kwh. Do you honestly think miners would pay more than that?
And those are 2021 numbers, not 2022 when everything went everywhere at least 20%-30%  more expensive!
Wealth...common!

One day later how does this "alternative" look?  
As we're back at 26k it's clear what it was, a pump triggered by some good news and then the cold reality that Graysacale is just in line for 2024 events, so basically nothing really changed, there was no influx of money, there was no real volume behind it, there was no constant demand even for a day!

As for the consumer index while the drop is indeed serious it also comes on a massive jump that again nobody was expecting.
As adaseb said, look at the numbers for May: Forecast 99.0 Actual 102.5
Or look at a larger interval, 2006-2016 for example, the index never went above current levels!
From the 1970 till 2000 it was more below 100 points than above them!
China's index is below 100, the EU is the same, lack of consumer optimism doesn't mean people rushing to invest in risky assets, quite the opposite.

Yeah, yeah, let's invent a new metric to tell poor people they are not actually poor.
But since we're on Bitcointalk shouldn't we talk about wealth in Bitcoin" So let's look at those GDP numbers in BTC
Already done math:


So in BTC , BRICS is actually half of G7!
Now BRICS has added penniless Iran, Ethiopia, Egypt, and a few others that barely matter.
G7 has allies and trading partners like South Korea, Australia, Spain and the Netherlands who just by themselves have a bigger GDP than Russia and India combined!

To see the harsh reality beyond those numbers just take a look at my topic:

Let's look at Brics:
Brazil - 3,746 India -16,246 China 4,145 Russia 4,138 South Africa
vs
Germany 371  

So, how much does it matter that you have a 3 billion people when everyone just wants to flee those countries?
If the G7 is in such bad shape why is BRICS losing 4 million citizens that emigrate to G7 countries each year?


There is propaganda and there is reality! But don't worry, you can't miss it no matter how much you try to avoid it, it will hit you like a brick wall!

Oh btw, I see you're in a campaign that pays in...what? Rubles? Yuan? Rials?
If you hate the dollar that much how do you feel getting paying in $ equivalent and keeping the petrodollar alive?

It was all over the news:
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/03/15/germany-and-us-seize-over-46m-crypto-tied-to-chipmixer-investigation-europol/


Nobody knows if it was just nodes, back-ups, or all the logs that maybe CM kept despite their promises, there was no real proof they kept the logs but there is no proof the other way around either.


Nothing. Just as you can't open a bank account anonymously you will never have a regulated mixer with no kyc.