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August 02, 2014, 01:26:05 AM |
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The thing I find most surprising is that ST is still pricing the Sept. SP30 machines at $3895 + shipping. For the same price, I can buy 4+ TH of S3 machines and mine 4 - 5 BTC before the SP30 starts mining. To be competitive, the SP30 should be priced no more than 2.5 BTC
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ZiG
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August 02, 2014, 01:34:13 AM |
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The thing I find most surprising is that ST is still pricing the Sept. SP30 machines at $3895 + shipping. For the same price, I can buy 4+ TH of S3 machines and mine 4 - 5 BTC before the SP30 starts mining. To be competitive, the SP30 should be priced no more than 2.5 BTC
You think so...maybe I can NOT justify this inflated price either...But ask SP-Tech... or "Money-Tech" in translation ...  Or better...ask RoadStress ...he will explain everything to you ...and me...and anybody else... They pooped pretty bad ...but SP-Tech / RoadStress ... will NOT admit the bad smell...  BFL ...or KnC ...you name you favorite "here"...did not either... ZiG |
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August 02, 2014, 01:43:41 AM |
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I don't have to explain / answer this to you...It is more than obvious... Now you are acting as a SP-Tech PR...or maybe more like their legal department...SP-Tech is silent...but you are not...carrying these function(s) for them... Let's be it...Your choice, RoadStress... But don't even try to convince me that it is for free...or "for the love of God"...Capisco...  ZiG Edit...: Last question...Are you Jewish, RoadStress... I was acting as an independent legal department long before SP-Tech (check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253282.0 for reference) I am not jewish and I hope that you will keep your promise and this will be your last personal question about me. |
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s1gs3gv
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August 02, 2014, 01:49:26 AM |
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That was a good laugh. Thanks for the link ! |
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Easy2Mine
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August 02, 2014, 01:49:55 AM |
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Although Spontoolies Tech SP30 didn't meet their specs.
I want to congratulate Guy and his team for archieving this goal.
I have no doubt that they will improve the SP30 in later batches.
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August 02, 2014, 02:12:22 AM |
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Thats a feckless remark.
It is, and I got carried away by your remark on voltage specs. You're right, in the end, what's written matters, not what's implied. I'm sorry. |
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s1gs3gv
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August 02, 2014, 02:39:24 AM |
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I have no doubt that they will improve the SP30 in later batches.
I have no doubt KNC will also improve the Neptune in later batches. Unless BTC starts appreciating soon, you won't be able to improve these miners enough to make a difference. |
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August 02, 2014, 02:39:52 AM |
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That's not such a good number for people who were promised 6TH on their 120 circuits Customers were never promised 6Th/s on their 110V circuits. Another lie. Guy mentioned 6 TH and even 6.5 TH a number of times here without qualifying the statement by saying 'but not on 110 volts' Guy mentioned a lot of shit which didn't come true. Unicorns and Unobtainium - that's what they are peddling from Tel Aviv these days. I should never have bet on those guys. Shit. All garbage and lies. I paid a price for believing in that dream. Thank god for china and the AntMiner - now I can pay for my losses in Israel. Hope you enjoyed the money Guy and Zvi. I know I won't be able to. |
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s1gs3gv
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August 02, 2014, 02:48:46 AM |
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Thats a feckless remark.
It is, and I got carried away by your remark on voltage specs. You're right, in the end, what's written matters, not what's implied. I'm sorry. Hey, no problem. Thanks for the apology but no need - plenty of feckless goings on here and nobody else apologizes so carry on. This is the forum where the frustrated bitcoin will be $10K any day now and I'll never have to work for a living again crowd come to rub shoulders with the my machine is bigger than your machine crowd. For example, RoadStress is over on the KNC forum right now slagging off KNC trying to make himself feel a little better ~L)L~ |
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ZiG
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August 02, 2014, 02:54:33 AM |
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I don't have to explain / answer this to you...It is more than obvious... Now you are acting as a SP-Tech PR...or maybe more like their legal department...SP-Tech is silent...but you are not...carrying these function(s) for them... Let's be it...Your choice, RoadStress... But don't even try to convince me that it is for free...or "for the love of God"...Capisco... ZiG Edit...: Last question...Are you Jewish, RoadStress... I was acting as an independent legal department long before SP-Tech (check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253282.0 for reference) I am not jewish and I hope that you will keep your promise and this will be your last personal question about me. OK ...RoadStress... Don't take me wrong...I think that you a good guy...You did really EXCELLENT job in SP30 Group Buy...You REALLY DID...almost convinced me to pull the trigger... Simply I don't buy anything pre-order...only in stock...or no more than couple weeks shipped...like S3...or Zeus... I have nothing personal to you...but SP-Tech just FAILED to deliver SP30 on specs...2 of most important nowadays for miners ...like me and you...Hash rate and Power rating...It is a Failure...Just ADMIT it... Nobody is perfect...Miscalculations / simulations mistakes in technology...fast as this one... are not uncommon... Nothing more...and it will probably help SP-Tech to IMPROVE their image in the future...which I tend to believe is on the bright side ... Cheers, ZiG |
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Guy Corem (OP)
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August 02, 2014, 02:56:57 AM |
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Although Spontoolies Tech SP30 didn't meet their specs.
I want to congratulate Guy and his team for archieving this goal.
I have no doubt that they will improve the SP30 in later batches.
Thank you. |
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ZiG
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August 02, 2014, 03:05:49 AM |
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Although Spontoolies Tech SP30 didn't meet their specs.
I want to congratulate Guy and his team for archieving this goal.
I have no doubt that they will improve the SP30 in later batches.
Thank you. For what... Failing to deliver on most important specs... He is sarcastic...did you notice... Admit your failure, SP-Tech...Admit it...apologize ...and compensate for it... Otherwise you would lose the most important...the TRUST of your customers, ...which is the fastest way to the abyss ...like your favorite example...KnC...Capisco... Sincerely, ZiG |
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August 02, 2014, 03:07:33 AM |
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Rawdog give it up, you sound like a lonely demented child.
Lies mixed with facts dont help anyone unless they have something to hide.
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Now how about those shipped order numbers etc?
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August 02, 2014, 03:24:56 AM |
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Admit your failure, SP-Tech...Admit it...apologize ...and compensate for it...
Sincerely,
ZiG
I like to think i'm a decent size customer (for an individual anyways), and i don't think they failed. They created the best miner on the planet, and they treat their customers like real people...show me one other manufacturer that treats their customers as well as these guys. |
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ZiG
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August 02, 2014, 03:38:16 AM |
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Admit your failure, SP-Tech...Admit it...apologize ...and compensate for it...
Sincerely,
ZiG
I like to think i'm a decent size customer (for an individual anyways), and i don't think they failed. They created the best miner on the planet, and they treat their customers like real people...show me one other manufacturer that treats their customers as well as these guys. I agree with you on the merits of SP-Tech...up to that moment...as well as a very good engineering effort... I don't dough that they are working hard...and trying their best... But failure is ...failure on specs...no matter how you like to twist...or believe...it is a FACT already...IMHO... Some people believe in "Tooth Fiery" ...or "Santa Claus" ...whatever... My opinion is that...Yours may vary...Facts are facts...SP-Tech failed to deliver the promised specs...Period... ZiG EDIT...: I am out of this debate...Will buy when in stock...on specs...at the right price...I was hoping for August...which is today...Not happening...My money is going to BitMain...Sorry... Your mileage can vary ... |
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August 02, 2014, 03:38:58 AM |
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I would agree they seem to treat customers well, but Bitmain also does the same thing...without pre orders. So far it seems they are going to handle this well...time will tell.
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August 02, 2014, 05:40:33 AM |
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Although Spontoolies Tech SP30 didn't meet their specs.
I want to congratulate Guy and his team for archieving this goal.
I have no doubt that they will improve the SP30 in later batches.
Thank you. For what... Failing to deliver on most important specs... He is sarcastic...did you notice... Admit your failure, SP-Tech...Admit it...apologize ...and compensate for it... Otherwise you would lose the most important...the TRUST of your customers, ...which is the fastest way to the abyss ...like your favorite example...KnC...Capisco... Sincerely, ZiG I am not sarcastic. Have you ever took your miners apart and do some repair work on miners from other manufacturers? I have. Most of the competitors deliver unreliable gear and you have to know what you are doing to get it working again. Spondoolies Tech deliver State of the Art technology Although I don't have anything ordered yet from Spondoolies Tech, I will order in the near future, because I know this is the end of the road for 28 nm technology, there won't be much gain in speed and effeciency unless you add more chips and undervolt it. I praised Spondoolies before and I praised them again. Thank you for letting me know you are the first to reach the limit of 28nm Sha256 engineering. I know how to invest further thanks to you. |
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Guy Corem (OP)
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August 02, 2014, 05:57:30 AM |
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Thank you for letting me know you are the first to reach the limit of 28nm Sha256 engineering.
Thank you again. RockerBox is certainly not the limit of 28nm SHA256 engineering. PickAxe our 3rd gen is also 28nm. The fact that we're using exactly the same process means one less production risk for us. We gained a lot from the issue we encountered with the first wafers lots of RockerBox. I believe that there is still a lot room for improvement. |
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August 02, 2014, 06:19:28 AM |
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Thank you for letting me know you are the first to reach the limit of 28nm Sha256 engineering.
Thank you again. RockerBox is certainly not the limit of 28nm SHA256 engineering. PickAxe our 3rd gen is also 28nm. The fact that we're using exactly the same process means one less production risk for us. We gained a lot from the issue we encountered with the first wafers lots of RockerBox. I believe that there is still a lot room for improvement. Yes... the 3rd gen... hmmmm speed less power.... dreams of BTC at 1000$ plus. |
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ZiG
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August 02, 2014, 07:22:04 AM |
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Nice and clean...after 6 (six) deleted posts... Covering the failure to deliver on specs... Good job, guys... "Don't worry...be happy"... Until next failure... Good luck and happy mining... I am out of here... ZiG EDIT...: Bicknellski...deleting posts will NOT help you with your projects...Wish you all the best... |
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