I guess I am not allowed to post on any other thread or not allowed to create a new thread.
You are allowed to post only about your ban appeal. Turning this thread into "dear diary" isn't helping your case, not that it had any chance to begin with. Mods clearly aren't reading here. Report the thread to mods the proper way. |
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Putin's Chechens are TikTok bloggers, 3rd line groups, mostly involved in clearing areas, robbing, raping, and torturing.
Kadyrovite clown fights trees, Rambo style: https://youtu.be/MRmUidPvWes |
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Or are we at the stage of the argument where you're calling wikipedia info as "Putin's fantasies with fake information and lots of fallacies"?
Re-read the dates again. In other news, today Poland's president Andrzej Duda addressed Ukraine's parliament with all kinds of support for Ukraine and received a standing ovation. I'm getting a feeling that all this posturing from Russian propaganda about Ukrainians being nazis and supporting genocide against Poles etc is just bullshit. Don't you? |
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But you just said you would kill Ukrainians doing the same
Quote me saying that I would kill anyone, let alone kill Ukrainians for messing with price tags.
- 1 Sep 1939 Germany Invades Poland.
- Sept 1934 Bandera is freed from prison, moves to German-occupied zone of Poland offers his services to Nazi Germany in exchange for ongoing financial and logistical support.
- Sept 1934 recruited before Operation Barbarossa during World War II into the Nazi Germany military intelligence Abwehr for espionage, counter-espionage and
A bit of time travel. And then teleportation? killed during the spring and summer campaign of 1943 in Volhynia
Jan 1942 Bandera was transferred to Sachsenhausen
Sep 1944 with Germany rapidly losing ground in the war in the face of the advancing Allied armies, Bandera was released
You know what they say about extraordinary claims. Perhaps you should have settled on "controversial" instead of trying to prove Putin's fantasies with fake information and lots of fallacies. |
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All of the fallacies aside, locals who join the enemy forces will be killed just like the enemy. Attempts to twist this into some unfair hostility should be addressed to Putin - he started the invasion and all of this mess. If he is guilty, he should be punished, better in Ukraine. There are hundreds of reports on the network about the atrocities of Russian soldiers. How many criminal cases have been opened and criminals named so far? None of the normal person will protect them. Ukrainian law enforcement agencies are required to publish complete information so that the thieves and rapists become known in Russia.
And they do that. But Russia isn't doing shit about it, and most likely Ukrainian law enforcement is not going to be able to arrest them. So what exactly is your problem here? You often quote American and English magazines, apparently considering them indisputable authoritative sources, to accuse Russia. Even the most famous newspaper is not a judicial department to accuse anyone, because there is such a thing as "presumption of innocence". Remember this definition? The United States is the main sponsor of Ukraine's military operations and is the most active on its side, and it is unlikely that there are large independent magazines anywhere in the world that are completely outside the control of governments. For prosecution, an international independent investigation must first be carried out. I and any adequate person will not defend criminals, no matter what country they belong to, if their guilt is proven in an independent court. Articles in an American, English, German and any other newspaper can serve as an additional source of information, but in no way can be evidence of a serious crime, especially now, during the open information war between the countries of the West and Russia.
This is not a court of law. We share information from various sources and I put a lot of effort into reading Russian language sources so your allegation about "American and English" is ludicrously off base. I post links to English versions whenever possible because this is an English board, but most of the information originates in Russian. I try to add warnings if I post e.g. rumors from telegram, otherwise if it's a reputable source then it's up to the reader to decide what to make of it. Again, I don't understand what your problem is here. If Russian military isn't looking its best in these news reports, it's most likely because it's a looting gang of criminals and not because the reports are wrong. It would be quite absurd to use heavily-censored and mostly Kremlin-controlled media in Russia as sources for anything other than a laugh. Totally not a fascist regime at all. |
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Russian citizens are likely responsible for the attacks on military commissariats
Hopefully they get a bit smarter in picking out the buildings without surveillance, disguising themselves, and prepping/testing the incendiary devices. If they get caught they face serious criminal charges all the way up to terrorism. Not sure if this is spontaneous or somehow organized, but it defies the typical excuses that nothing can be done in protest against Putin's regime. Apparently some things can be done and are being done. |
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Zelensky believed being with NATO is a bigger priority than keep his countrymen safe and country at peace.
There was no way for him to "keep his countrymen safe and country at peace" without fighting Russia. If he had tried to give Ukraine to Putin (which Ukrainians would have never accepted), it would not be safe or at peace, as can be seen in rape and pillage scenes from Russian-occupied territories. And if there was no Zelensky, the outcome would still be the same. Stop blaming people defending their homeland. Help Ukraine to save the world from a madman. |
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Die or otherwise go away is also a good option. A clear case of double standards. No, it's not. The same "standard" is applicable to other murderous dictators as well. |
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Here are some examples of Russophobia in Ukraine.
Your loaded question on "rusophobia" aside, "examples of" is not equal to a widespread adoption of nazi ideology. Nazi/fascist elements can be found in any society that has a certain degree of freedom of speech. Only a few countries - Russia is among them, Ukraine is not - have adopted fascism as a policy. I'm not going to bring the garbage from Russian state media or pro-Putin telegram channels here, I'm quite sure you know what I'm talking about but you choose to ignore it like the fires and flooding in Mariupol and pretty much every fact that doesn't support Putin's propaganda. About the rapes. There were many reports in Ukrainian news resources about the rapes of Ukrainian children by Russian soldiers (examples: 1, 2, 3). However, on May 11, 2022, the Commissioner of the President of Ukraine for Children's Rights, Daria Gerasimchuk, stated other information: 01:08:44 BELSAT NEWS host: "There were reports in the press that children were victims of violence by the Russian occupiers. Do you have any data that could confirm this?" 01:08:56 Daria Gerasimchuk: "Today, the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine doesn't have a single confirmed fact of violence ... yet. Most likely, because people are not ready to report it. Therefore, the data to which everyone is now appealing, then, there were such cases, most likely. That is, the Prosecutor General of Ukraine has no facts of such violence, but according to rumors have there been such cases? This is nonsense, because these are empty accusations of terrible crimes, not based on facts. Doesn't it seem strange to you that many people are ready to talk to journalists about inhuman cases of violence against themselves, but at the same time refuse to report to law enforcement agencies so that criminal cases can be opened? I may be wrong, but even if the victim refuses to testify, if there is evidence, the police still open a criminal case. sounds like a correct description of what you're doing here. Again, going out of your way to find some minor, possibly out-of-context, tangential detail and ignoring actual facts. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/25/evidence-ukraine-women-raped-before-being-killed-say-doctors-russia-warFollowing the withdrawal of Russian troops from towns and suburbs around the capital, dozens of women have told police, the media and human rights organisations about atrocities they say they suffered suffered at the hands of Russian soldiers. Investigators have heard testimony of gang-rapes, assaults taking place at gunpoint and rapes committed in front of children.
Ukraine’s human rights commissioner, Lyudmila Denisova, has officially documented the cases of 25 women who were kept in a basement and systematically raped in Bucha, a town north of Kyiv now synonymous with Russian war crimes. Authorities have warned those cases could be the tip of the iceberg and accused Russian troops of using rape as an instrument of war.
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Tkalenko said women were reluctant to file police reports about acts of sexual violence because they believed the perpetrators would not be caught. Instead, they were contacting psychologists and doctors for help.
https://ssu.gov.ua/en/novyny/sbu-vstanovyla-vzhe-1140-rosiiskykh-zaharbnykiv-yaki-chynyly-zvirstva-proty-myrnoho-naselennia-na-kyivshchyniOne of those occupiers who raped Ukrainian women is in the photo. This is Bulat Lenarovych FASSAKHOV, born on November 20, 2001.
Under the supervision of Kyiv Region Prosecutor’s Office, the SSU has notified him, in absentia, of suspicion of violating laws and customs of war.
He is a native of the Republic of Tatarstan, russia, and serves in the 30th separate motorized rifle brigade of the 2nd guards combined army of the central military district of russia.
The SSU established that during the temporary occupation of one of the towns in Kyiv region this individual committed a number of war crimes against civilian population. Witnesses have identified him and confirmed the facts of crimes committed by him.
The criminal broke into a house of a Ukrainian family, locked them in the basement except for a young girl. Threatening to kill the whole family, the occupier raped the girl and later repeated the crime along with three accomplices.
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Now this is where i get confused, you claim that there are only few Nazis in Ukraine but no more than in any other capital ok, so if you'd say that some idiot somehow managed to find some loophole and rename a street in the city after the murderer but once people found out there were protests etc but for one reason or the other they cannot change it to someone more deserving, i'd understand. But you don't say that at all, what scares me is your allusions, changing topic to other people, and reluctance to condemn Bandera makes it sound like that's wasn't an error at all, and most people do in fact support a guy who massacred innocent people. Am i mistaken? Is Bandera a hero to you?
No, Bandera is not a hero to me, but he apparently is to some or many Ukrainians. I'm not Ukrainian. The rest of your diatribe is fallacies. Existence of a controversial street name is not indicative of any of the things you're accusing me or Ukrainians of. It's a ludicrous premise to build a "nazi" narrative on. There are no actual (neo-)nazis in the Ukrainian government as has been pointed out numerous times. There is no political influence or wide public support for nazi ideology. Being anti-Russian because Russian military is raping and killing its way through their country doesn't make Ukrainians nazis. etc. |
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That's not how it works. I can't declare my house "autonomous" and ask Putin to liberate it. I mean I could, but that'd be idiotic. If your house is a republic this is exactly how it works. But it isn't. Neither is the DPR/LPR nonsense. There was no genocide. You should mention why the people of the southeast were upset with the regime change by the West in 2014 and why the regular people (and not the military) were regularly and systematically attacked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx2O4SZnNIUFurthermore, you should answer the question why Zelenskyy proclaimed in 2020 or 2021 to attack the southeast/Crimea and why the attacks on the southeastern region intensified from the beginning to mid February before(!) Russia intervened. Nice attempt with your straw people, better luck next time. Last but not least, there remains the question of what alternative options Putin has for action - after 8 years of fruitless agreements and non-compliance with the Minsk agreement by Ukraine and ultimately its escalation of military attacks. Wait and see and drink tea?
Die or otherwise go away is also a good option. |
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Another example of how glorious Russian military criminal gangs "liberate" Ukrainians from their lives: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/world/europe/russia-bucha-ukraine-executions.html (soft paywall, might work if you use a private tab or delete cookies) Witness testimony and videos obtained by The New York Times show how Russian paratroopers executed at least eight Ukrainian men in a Kyiv suburb on March 4, a potential war crime. |
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Biden simply talks the people into believing
Jedi Biden. |
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Nor should it matter to Russia, because all of this happened not in Russian territory. Which changed when Donetsk and Lugansk have declared themselves autonomous and asked Russia for assistance against Ukraine's attacks. That's not how it works. I can't declare my house "autonomous" and ask Putin to liberate it. I mean I could, but that'd be idiotic. Under international law, Russia is not the aggressor as the "right of self-determination of peoples" is usually held in such high esteem. In my view, the attack came from Ukraine and the 2 republics have asked for "assistance" against a genocide that has been going on for 8 years and intensified in 2022. There is no right of a state to wage war on parts of the former state entity, to murder them and to raze their dwellings to the ground. I assume that exactly at this point the "international law" was massively broken on the part of Ukraine, only... only no one in the West was bothered by it. Pathetic.
There was no genocide. Some thugs commanded by a KGB officer and helped by Russian military took over some cities. DNR/LNR is ruled by a ponzi-scammer Denis Pushilin and his gang of criminals since 2018; the previous wannabe dictators weren't any better either. Following the insurrection in 2014 they were stealing cars from civilians, looting homes, etc - all the usual stuff Russian "military" does. Ukrainians treated them as terrorists and rightfully so. The conflict was at a stalemate in recent years. It "intensified" when Russia invaded, not before. |
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There are quite a few streets named after Stalin in Russia, half as many as Bandera streets in Ukraine (and almost all of them are concentrated in the Caucasus). There are also three Stalin streets in India, two in the UK, one street and Stalin Park in China, one street in France. You can have different attitudes towards Stalin, but it was he who led the USSR during the trip over Nazi Germany and the scale of his personality was much wider than that of Bandera. At the same time, mass demonstrations for the glory of Stalin are not held in Russia.
You're missing the point, comrade, just like your compatriot a few posts above. It's not up to me (or you, or your trollfarm, or Putin) to decide how Ukrainians (or Russians) should name their streets, let alone to invade sovereign countries on such flimsy premises. So perhaps you shouldn't start throwing swastika-shaped rocks out of your glass outhouse. BTW there are state-organized mass demonstrations glorifying the current strain of fascism in Russia, which is far more concerning than even a pro-Stalin or pro-Lenin march would be. |
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territory of the DPR territory of the LPR The OSCE report doesn't say DPR or LPR (it says Donetsk and Lugansk regions) and it doesn't say which side violated the cease fire. Nor should it matter to Russia, because all of this happened not in Russian territory. |
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It scares me that you reached your pinnacle of cringe right on this topic. Person who yells WHATABOUTISM when i even slightly hint at a comparison (not a main rebuttal), blatantly doesn't answer a single direct question and just start discussing other people  surely the irony cannot be lost here [...] Osama bin Laden was also fighting Soviets before murdering innocent people (and was also sponsored by CIA), does that make him a controversial figure in your eyes as well? How about Osama bin Laden Avenue in Kyiv, it can run directly parallel to Stepana Bandery Avenue. No, it's still you bringing in unrelated shit into this thread. You brought up Bandera as one of the reasons Ukraine needs denazification (correct me if I'm wrong). I responded as to why that's absurd. If you can't make a coherent argument that's not really my fault. The UPA's actions resulted in between 50,000 and 100,000 deaths...the killings were directly linked to the policies of Stepan Bandera's faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B) and its military arm [...] Controversial figure, right, something all of us could've done, just a silly mistake, perhaps wouldn't mind having an address on his street?  this is beyond atrocious! Not a fan of Stalin. Georgian' madman who indiscriminately killed his own people across all races/ethnicities (even his own Georgian republic suffered greatly "the exact number of Georgians executed during the Great Purges is not estimated, but some scholars suggest it varies from 30,000 to 60,000"). He did achieve his goal of rapidly industrializing USSR. I believe the argument largely comes from the cost/benefit analysis, where some people feel the loss of life is justified or couldn't be avoided under such circumstances. I tend to disagree and believe he went above and beyond on human suffering from what could be reasonably justified to industrialize USSR as quickly as possible. During the Soviet famine, percentage wise Kazakhs suffered the most 38 to 42 percent of all Kazakhs died from the famines during his rule. In absolute numbers including Russian famine of 1921–1922, the most died in Russia (~7mil). I surely wouldn't condone naming streets after him in 2016. Now any chance you could concede that the guy who did all the massacring and raping wasn't such a great guy and surely there must be other Ukrainian heroes who should get a street named after them? But still Bandera streets in Ukraine - bad, Ukraine needs denazifying. Stalin streets in Russia - nah, I just don't condone it. |
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Therefore, who is the aggressor here is an interesting question.
Russia is the aggressor, made up "Casus Belli" notwithstanding. Russia has been accumulating its military around Ukraine and planning the invasion for a long time before the alleged attacks so that bullshit doesn't really fly anywhere outside of Russian state TV. |
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Ukraine: names a street after Bandera. Russia: puts this guy into government positions... Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin (Russian: Дми́трий Оле́гович Рого́зин; born 21 December 1963) is a Russian politician who has been Director General of Roscosmos since 2018. He was previously Deputy Prime Minister of Russia in charge of the defense industry from 2011 to 2018, and Russia's ambassador to NATO from 2008 to 2011.
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian ultra-nationalists on Sunday chanted “Glory to Russia!” and waved banners reading “Jewish fascism! There is nothing scarier!” in a sanctioned rally condemned by human rights campaigners as racist.
About 200 activists and skinheads in black leather jackets and heavy boots gave Nazi-style salutes as organizers yelled nationalist slogans from a makeshift stage at one of Moscow’s central squares.
“Comrades! We are here to protect the people of Russia. This is our last frontier,” Dmitry Rogozin, a nationalist politician, told a cheering crowd as dozens of riot police looked on. Similar protests were held in St Petersburg and other cities.
Which one of these countries claims to be "denazifying" the other? Yep. Russian propaganda is one huge projector. |
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You may want to clean the foam off your mouth. I'm not trying to convince you one way or another. You clearly have a bias here that seems to be rooted in Soviet/Russian history books, where only nazis committed atrocities, whereas soviets were the liberators and anyone who fought against soviets was automatically a nazi. For example, just in this war Russian invaders killed thousands of civilians in Ukraine. I'm gonna guess that you will not call every pro-Russian collaborator in the occupied territories a criminal who killed thousands of civilians. Am I right? "Litmus test" for you. |
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