Give it 12 months and watch what the ability to seriously short and leverage bitcoins does in my opinion. In theory, it should work to stabilize the market and I believe we will soon know.
should, but with such a "small" market where many big players can affect it easily. i have no idea what to even expect. $200 one day, 800 next, 150 the following day and back to 400. |
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hopefully someone checks it out. not me
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again, noone can answer the one simple question.
who are buying and selling.
no way to tell if it's the same people putting it both buy and sell orders at the same time.
all the metrics don't mean anything when it's impossible to tell how many non-big players there are and how many big-players are moving everything around.
volume doesn't equal unique volume in terms of people
That is not a simple question and it is not generally available information on any other investments I've made on currency, stocks, bonds, or commodities. i know. i was making somewhat of a point. but this is what makes this much more easily to be manipulated at this moment. for all we know 80% of transactions could be done just by 10 people which wouldn't be indicative of the actual sentiment. only way is if mtgox tells us which i doubt they ever will |
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again, noone can answer the one simple question.
who are buying and selling.
no way to tell if it's the same people putting it both buy and sell orders at the same time.
all the metrics don't mean anything when it's impossible to tell how many non-big players there are and how many big-players are moving everything around.
volume doesn't equal unique volume in terms of people
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time frame. and how much will you bet to escrow
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4 tonnes of consumption is suddenly an assumption? You should try research, Google is your friend.
i know it's consumed. so are diamonds and i'm sure google will teach you all about diamond prices |
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who needs a paper for gold? sure it's market manipulation now.. as are bitcoins |
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i'm on the sidelines now. not for the weak of heart.
it will settle, somewhere and then i will look more into it.
now, it's just gambling
but, i do like the graph.
it seems like the last 24 hours had more volume than during/after the crash.
good thing or bad? + who knows how many people are buying and selling back and forth to each other
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and your completely false assumption is that gold has more use just because it's been around longer.
it's like people who are too afraid to know that the world is not flat or that there is gravity.
just because people have been doing or using something for a long time does not validate it as anything better than it is.
gold is just shiny. that is all. who cares how much it costs
the only way i would ever even buy gold is if i was a millionaire looking for a quick way to blow my money.
gold is hardly a true investment besides speculators and is mostly an outdated store of value.
that is all.
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I have shorted and so are many wise traders.
The great frenzy run up has ended and the situation has reversed now.
Bears are stronger and no massive income of newcomers gonna pour money into this despite what mtgox verification line would led one to believe.
yes, and how exactly does one "short"? |
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bitcoin.clarkmoody.com has the current orders you can monitor live
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i think you dont understand.. it's DAY TRADERS selling back and forth to each other/public..
it's them trying to make money off the volatility. it's not like each transaction is unqiue. some have been buying and selling nonstop the last few days
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seen kevin on shark tank. he is smart. and since he only cares about money coming back to him. good for him
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alright, i know people want to remain anon.
make up a new account whatever.
how bout we do a new round of intros
goldman sachs traders. or whatever investment firm you represent that JUST heard about bitcoins and are trying to get in. trying to be cool.
i bet that there is at least 1 trader from most banks on here.
who here is from russia?
how about who is paul krugman on the board?
who the fuck is the ddoser?
sup winklevoss twins ( who now probably own 3% of all bitcoins)
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Their engine etc has to be even better than gox otherwise same problem happens. They need to limit api abuse. Limit fake orders etc.. Other exchanges need to be solid first and foremost.
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First Israel, now Poland. The great battle of our time  Israel? |
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If they were, savvy participants would see it and profit by correcting it, thus eliminating the loop
so no
wouldn't savy participants just exploit it like anyone else? |
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now that every single day trader in the world has heard of bitcoins
all their investors and hnw individuals have called their brokers
are the prices going to be in a permanent cycle of going up and down?
think about this way.. these traders don't care if this succeeds or fails . they care about returns.
drive the price up to double. sell.
causes the prices to go down. when it goes down to half buy back up to make confidence go up.
goes up and sell to make confidence go down.
doing this over and over and they don't have to wait for the actual value of a bitcoin to go up they can just make 100000% percent by pushing the prices around daily
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