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1061  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: July 25, 2013, 08:54:10 PM
do you guys know what market cap MEANS? market cap is based on all shares issued (even to owners) that might not be "tradeable" yet. it's not only the shares that are released to public. if you guys don't understand what market cap is or what it implies than be ready to lose your money or btc.

As far as hardware goes. personally i can purchase any hardware that labrat can purchase. i understand this may be different for others. however, they may consider a groupbuy as an option too.  pointing out that the current market cap is 15 million is very relevant for people who understand what that means.

I think our dezentralized lexicon does not share this definition:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marktkapitalisierung

The english article needs revising as the first sentence is first implying what your definition of market cap was. However within that first scentance it disagrees already. First it states price times total shares issued. Then it states price times shares outstanding (not held by company itself).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_capitalization



aren't the non-public shares already issued to the owners? with companies going public there are no longer "private shares". so for example all the shares that Mark Zuckerberg had are considered public now even though they were private before. when a company goes public all shares are converted to "public shares". you can't have a public/private hybrid. so all the shares that labrat has issued to itself are all actual shares (in the real world). it just hasn't sold those shares to anyone, yet.

another example is AsicMiner where bitfunder's ownership is taken into account when considering market cap
1062  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: July 25, 2013, 08:23:46 PM
do you guys know what market cap MEANS? market cap is based on all shares issued (even to owners) that might not be "tradeable" yet. it's not only the shares that are released to public. if you guys don't understand what market cap is or what it implies than be ready to lose your money or btc.

as far as hardware goes. personally i can purchase any hardware that labrat can purchase. i understand this may be different for others. however, they may consider a groupbuy as an option too.  pointing out that the current market cap is 15 million is very relevant for people who understand what that means.
1063  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [3] countdown! on: July 25, 2013, 07:26:18 PM
A 4-unit model cost 100 btc, or $7200 at the time of purchase, why are you struggling with this concept?  Huh  Units delivered soon will most likely achieve 100% return in terms of USD but probably not BTC.
they were priced in btc not usd. Hence it's a loss 100%. Ask anyone wjo knows business or economics or advanced reasoning skills
1064  Economy / Speculation / Re: Pump and Dump or manipulation on: July 25, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
Very few people have large quantities of coins especially how mantly you are talking about. Your whole point is moot
1065  Economy / Securities / Re: [Smidge.Com] - A virtual, actively managed, multi-asset digital currency fund on: July 25, 2013, 06:36:00 PM
so ciphermine owns 2500 shares of smidge?
1066  Economy / Securities / Re: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement on: July 25, 2013, 06:17:33 PM
the market cap for this operation is around 15 million!!! WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT i mean hope investors don't lose money but that is quite a valuation. it's also interesting that everyone is looking to have someone else mine on their behalf instead of getting the equipment themselves
1067  Economy / Securities / Re: comparing bitcoin stock exchanges: mpex / btct / cryptostocks / bitfunder on: July 25, 2013, 06:09:24 PM
havelock?
1068  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon Batch 3 , Unit 4 module = total RIPOFF on: July 25, 2013, 05:24:38 PM
Yifu needs to start doing partial refunds asap. Theres a lot of rightfully pissed off people
1069  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: July 25, 2013, 08:30:44 AM
seems like it's becoming China Vs US with Europe somewhere in 3rd

Living up to your namesake? Try actually reading around the subject. Bitfury's is Polish/Russian and supposedly has the most efficient chip. KnC are Swedish/British and have a more efficient, more powerful chip than any PRC offering. Simon who heads this particular venture is British, with a solid British education...and has potentially the most powerful chip design. Be interested to know the die size and who is financing this, as it will have to be significant if there's not be any pre-order fundraising at anypoint. Not to mention a huge financial risk for any single private entity. At least with pre-orders it's shared risk for a legitimate start-up.



you are overthinking my statement and it's not made to bash any companies. i welcome all companies with good products and manners.
1070  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: July 25, 2013, 02:48:38 AM
seems like it's becoming China Vs US with Europe somewhere in 3rd
1071  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Eyes to the horizon: A bitcoin ASIC project will be announced in June on: July 25, 2013, 02:43:35 AM
look like aready on BTCT ,"lock" tab~~check it out and share your point~~

someone from china should do due diligence. while AM has been good for investors most chinese companies turn out bad. hope this will be good investment for many but someone who can verify them would be good.
1072  Economy / Securities / Re: SEC Charges Bitcoin Savings and Trust (BTCST) as Ponzi Scheme on: July 25, 2013, 12:58:07 AM
yeah, he didn't say that, so stop acting like you had a valid reason to panic when someone is just discussing a HYPOTHETICAL

And, IMO, this whole discussion is completely overreacting to something that is unlikely to happen, ie. the SEC taking notice of bitcoin exchanges.

But, thanks for the panic, I do appreciate cheap share prices, guys!  Grin
You are delusional if you don't think the SEC is reading this thread right now.

They regulate securities exchanges.

Security exchanges operating in the USA. this is 100% out of their jurisdiction. however, i fully support SEC going after FRAUDSTERS. scammers and fraudsters and certain manipulators and ponzi people should all be behind bars regardless of what country they reside in and what organization puts them behind bars.
1073  Economy / Speculation / Re: POLL: when will we see $100/BTC again? on: July 24, 2013, 08:10:26 PM
adamstgBit you should be careful with your words as you might double peoples debt for student loan for your wishful wet dreams. Think about it first...

should pay off more than an actual education nowadays. so yes it will likely be the best investment a student will make
1074  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: List of Major Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses on: July 24, 2013, 01:25:10 AM
way too many thefts! too many digital assholes
1075  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Support Litecoin? STAY AWAY FROM BTC-E - They are Killing Litecoin's Economy on: July 23, 2013, 11:18:41 PM
they provide a service and wish to charge a fee for doing so. .5 is at today's rate about $1.5
1076  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [3] countdown! on: July 23, 2013, 07:40:29 PM
yifu can avoid all these threats by being more honest, communicative and transparent
1077  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-23 BI: SEC Charges Texas Man With Running Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme on: July 23, 2013, 05:21:19 PM
sec only does civil from what i understand. he needs to be charged criminally as well.
1078  Economy / Speculation / Re: POLL: when will we see $100/BTC again? on: July 23, 2013, 05:06:25 PM
you know what would be fun...................
if all the people saying 2014 put up some bitcoins behind the things they type! i'm sure there are many people who would love to take your coins!
1079  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bytecoin|BTE| Official Re-Launch of this 1:1 Bitcoin Coin! on: July 23, 2013, 03:15:51 AM
It was a scam to begin with. It died, its owners abandoned the scam. Why bother bring a scam back?
1080  Economy / Economics / Re: What do you think is a safe market cap to reduce volatility? on: July 21, 2013, 08:33:14 PM
As the market cap gets bigger, volatility reduces for many reasons, most importantly because one party loses control to manipulate the market without substantial funds. So the question is, what market cap do you think we need to see before the price starts to stabilize. The current cap floats around 1 billion while the USD cap is roughly around 1.2 trillion.

where are you pulling the 1.2 number? it's not correct
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