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661  Economy / Securities / Re: Coming Soon - Shares for 100TH/s Mining Farm - Payout is better than Pyramining on: September 19, 2013, 07:25:11 PM
me!
662  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: VMC or Bitmine.ch? on: September 19, 2013, 06:29:12 PM
hard to tell both can be legit. it's all proven when the time comes
663  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Ripple has failed. on: September 19, 2013, 06:21:06 PM
The price is going up though
This isn't about XRP.
XRP is used only as a fee for trading IOUs, it's valuated only by people who do not understand Ripple.

No XRP is "valuated" by people who enjoy having their money double or triple or more.  I rode XRP up from .001 to .02...that is 20x return.  It's about to double again, most likely, based on the price action and the news.  Do your own research but don't fight the momentum and the market.  I'm not saying buy and hold for 2 years, but it's a smart play over the next few weeks.

And to stay on topic with this thread, Ripple hasn't succeeded or "failed" yet.  It is still in beta and barely off the ground.  They are taking their time getting everything just right before adding more gateways, etc. It sounds like ZipZap is coming on board soon and that will be huge.

But time will tell how well the Ripple protocol does. I don't give it a lot of thought and just enjoy watching XRP go up...already up about 75% and could double from here easily...has done it before and I'm betting on it iwth my hard earned money.

Check this thread for details:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294856.0

you make it sound like all xrp is good for is gambling based on news reports.. pass that sucker on to the tnext person and hope you're not the last person (or made enough money) holding XRP? if that's your argument....
664  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: September 19, 2013, 02:42:08 AM
AM should join a pool for the next month or so
665  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 19, 2013, 01:33:00 AM
slush allows you to hold 5btc max so payouts would have to be frequent if labcoin is mining there
666  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 19, 2013, 12:48:47 AM
Meh, if he want's to keep donating 6TH worth of mining to labcoin shareholders I for one am happy to accept. Wink

3 btc "donation" is nothing if you can make 50x more from trading Cheesy
667  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 19, 2013, 12:41:50 AM
So let me get this right. Someone mined 3 BTC and sent it to the Labcoin wallet to cause a price spike?

Which I bought into.

How dumb am I? What kind a person does this?
Only Labcoin and a possible manipulator knows if this is true or not.
yup
a pic of some shit hashing would go a long way.
668  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: September 18, 2013, 08:37:42 PM
I really think its time for Burnside to consider taking some action regarding labcoin. The type of scandalous behavior that they are currently exhibiting is exactly the type of activity that will bring regulatory entities such as the SEC down on btc-tc. Labcoin's presence on btct could really jeopardize btct's continued existence.

unfortunately, there is some truth behind this
669  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 18, 2013, 08:20:03 PM
Address 17psAW21J4twanAFWmbcd5WdX2pKeX3trm

First seen?: Never used on the network (as far as I can tell)
Received transactions: 0
Received BTC: 0
Sent transactions: 0
Sent BTC: 0
Hash160?: 4ade2df61ee1d7f0d89d46c9dc4ff1e7e1dd6f21
Public key?:
Unknown (not seen yet)

lol so the address we all waited for is an empty address with nothing? so labcoin got ZERO bitcoins from supposedly mining for 2 weeks with at least 2TH?

If you have kept up with the updates, you would know that there have been some delays etc. The team is signing a clean address so that there will be zero questions that this is indeed the mining address used, and that all coins are indeed from the mining operation.

I think to be fair, lets all monitor that address for a few days and see what happens. If they are mining on a pool then they'll have to get some coins within the next few days and if that happens then its evidence that its not a scam.



Um no, mining address with newly generated coin is proof, ONLY if they were solo mining which they claim they were.

For pooled mining, only proof is public stats page. Having bitcoin sent to their mining address is NOT proof at all.

There is an address. If the address generates even a single Bitcoin that is proof.

if it's self generating it should generate 25 new coins + tx fees
otherwise these guys are just fucking with everyone
670  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: September 18, 2013, 08:17:45 PM
what was the price in BTC?

BTC was really low. An Aug kit ran roughly 225-250 BTC. They will unlikely break even in BTC.
BTC was around $80 when I placed my order, so it worked out to 240 BTC for me.

I am actually systematically cashing out of BTC, so my motives for buying do not take into consideration ROI optimization.

what does that even mean?!!?
you are trying to lose btc/fiat on purpose?
that's... a first
671  Economy / Speculation / Re: price about to go UP - reason all the overpriced asics on: September 18, 2013, 08:03:35 PM
I belive you are right. Yeah we can t predict the future but nobody will sell at loss so in a way miners are actually buying bitcoin at a price near 200 $ when they buy asic from bfl (including delay) or asicminer...

you got it Smiley except i'd be guessing that the price is much higher than $200 i think more than $400+ (just a guess)
672  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 18, 2013, 07:57:59 PM
0 btc @ this address. either most unluckiest company in the world or we've been lied to. wtfffff this shit again
673  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Swiss national councillor to ban Bitcoins on: September 18, 2013, 06:38:53 PM
sad. too bad they would have to ban every single "virtual currency" and then they'll wind up messing those laws up anyways
674  Economy / Speculation / Re: price about to go UP - reason all the overpriced asics on: September 18, 2013, 06:36:42 PM
well
after careful thinking
it's my conclusion that most asics on the market will not ROI in bitcoins.
it's also quite apparent NOW once things are put in perspective that that noone will be getting ROI in fiat currency as well.
the daily bitcoin amount is limited and the amount of money (bitcoins and fiat) spent on getting a tiny portion of the pie is now insanely high.
this means that if miners are rational they will all STOP selling
otherwise they will be mining AND selling at a loss. they'd have to be either altruistic or stupid.
hence i believe in the next coming months most miners will HOLD their btc and not sell at current prices no matter what (unless they are about to be evicted or something)
nothing to do with any price movements or looking at trading patterns just stating obvious facts.
this will squeeze the supply and slowly drive prices up.

That's not how it works.

If anything, miners will have to sell the BTC they mine to cover the costs of their expensive mining equipment.

I know I have charged the pre-orders I have on credit cards. I will sell the first few coins I mine to pay off those credit cards once those miners arrive.

Furthermore, no one will mine at a loss in the sense that the miners will make more BTC than it costs to run them. They may not make back their original investment but that is no reason to sit and hold the BTC. Since bitcoin can go both up and down and no one can predict which way it will go, you will make no more money if you sit and hold than if you sell right away.

mgio, i don't think you understood my post or the financial implications you have signed up for by putting it on your credit card.
you should just cancel your preorder since it sounds like you don't actually understand what you signed up for.
in really easy terms: the money you spent on preorder on credit card will *never* be recovered at the current exchange rate.
this means you will NOT be able to pay off your credit card for this purchase AT ALL. hence what i mean by saying will not ROI  (return on investment). it's not like the first few mined coins will pay off your credit card and the rest will be icing on the cake.

what this means is that you are going into DEBT and will carry a portion of your balance with interest into the future until you somehow pay it off.
the only way you can "pay off" the credit card is if prices go UP..... by a lot.
don't worry pretty much EVERYONE is in the same boat - that's why i made this topic.

**** "first few coins" will never pay off the cost of hardware at current exchange rate- ever.
miners are better off "hoarding" their coins until prices go up to "pay off" their equipment.
675  Economy / Speculation / Re: price about to go UP - reason all the overpriced asics on: September 18, 2013, 05:58:50 PM
That would suggest a model of Cost Push inflation.
yes,  that, thanks for bring about the correct term
676  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why do most people automatically think Bitcoin is a scam/ponzi scheme? on: September 18, 2013, 05:52:33 PM
Value goes up..  Must be a scam
677  Economy / Speculation / price about to go UP - reason all the overpriced asics on: September 18, 2013, 05:42:01 PM
well
after careful thinking
it's my conclusion that most asics on the market will not ROI in bitcoins.
it's also quite apparent NOW once things are put in perspective that that noone will be getting ROI in fiat currency as well.
the daily bitcoin amount is limited and the amount of money (bitcoins and fiat) spent on getting a tiny portion of the pie is now insanely high.
this means that if miners are rational they will all STOP selling
otherwise they will be mining AND selling at a loss. they'd have to be either altruistic or stupid.
hence i believe in the next coming months most miners will HOLD their btc and not sell at current prices no matter what (unless they are about to be evicted or something)
nothing to do with any price movements or looking at trading patterns just stating obvious facts.
this will squeeze the supply and slowly drive prices up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost-push_inflation (chodpaba called it)
678  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 18, 2013, 05:38:04 PM
here's what I am expecting in about 2 hours:

Quote from: labcoin
We're sorry for delaying but we're struggling with deployment operations.  We hope to post the mining address when we pay the first dividend, 24/9/2013.

This is an absolutely legit operation and many of those calling us a 'scam' will have to eat their words. Again, we advise anyone to purchase more shares now that they are cheap.

unfortunately, likely
679  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: September 18, 2013, 05:06:25 PM
out of curiosity, how much has been mined so far by those that got starter kits or full august kits
680  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: CoinTerra now accepts Credit Card and Paypal !!! on: September 18, 2013, 05:04:44 PM
tbh, i dont think any mining equipment gear is profitable any longer from any manufacturer. the daily pool is too small and unless the xchange price rises a lot than every single miner will be better off buying coins today off the exchange.
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