SCAM WEBSITES
(Edit:  Scammer now using SSL as well.)

ELECTRUMSBTC.ORG - 928KB -   950,272 bytes - Electrum-SBTC-2.9.3.exe
ELECTROCASH.ORG   - 945KB -   968,192 bytes - Electron-Cash-3.0.exe
ELECTRONBCH.ORG   - 954KB -   978,194 bytes - Electron-BCH-3.1.5.exe
ELECTRUMGOLD.ORG - 1.3MB - 1,380,864 bytes - Electrum-Gold-2.9.3.exe
ELECTRUMB2X.ORG   - 1.2MB - 1,273,856 bytes - Electrum-B2X-2.9.3.exe
ELECTRUM-LLC.ORG - 1.2MB - 1,211,904 bytes - electrum-lcc-3.0.6.2.exe
- Most funny is that the File Hash doesn't even match their scam software or the signature.
ELECTRUMBTCP.COM - Taken Down


They are all copies by design of:  https://electroncash.org/

All websites that are broken and not linked to original project or supported by the projects.
Also with fake links / unclickable.  But, all have fake clients at only 1MB executable files.

Note:  The image shows the same text for each wallet info.  Sites are IDENTICAL except for the coin name.

All registered to various name/addresses via ilovewww.com; however, all using China DNS
Name Server: NS1.IPCHINA163.COM
Name Server: NS2.IPCHINA163.COM


reddit users shilling the scam (malware - website)

https://www.reddit.com/user/ceesvegmond
https://www.reddit.com/user/chris12209
https://www.reddit.com/user/cssc1978
https://www.reddit.com/user/dubbl_bubble
https://www.reddit.com/user/elite5s
https://www.reddit.com/user/jhkansen1/
https://www.reddit.com/user/manonbroumels
https://www.reddit.com/user/marjoalbert
https://www.reddit.com/user/marko1mako
https://www.reddit.com/user/mosloeffen
https://www.reddit.com/user/schnieder16
https://www.reddit.com/user/snffelhoeve
https://www.reddit.com/user/svogelaar01
https://www.reddit.com/user/wielheussen

Added (3/9/2018)
https://www.reddit.com/user/albertmrtl
https://www.reddit.com/user/alexnmhs
https://www.reddit.com/user/bmsbw
https://www.reddit.com/user/brandongdu
https://www.reddit.com/user/captainc12c
https://www.reddit.com/user/chris12209
https://www.reddit.com/user/cssc1978
https://www.reddit.com/user/dc_brankin
https://www.reddit.com/user/ericvbgt
https://www.reddit.com/user/ethermanng
https://www.reddit.com/user/karenmatro
https://www.reddit.com/user/kipp1vel
https://www.reddit.com/user/louisprs
https://www.reddit.com/user/nor1el
https://www.reddit.com/user/reinholsch
https://www.reddit.com/user/sidvicman
https://www.reddit.com/user/srizzo81

This is just a scammer.

Same guy posting many websites and a bunch of reddit shill accounts.

Just scamming every coin he can.

ELECTRUMSBTC.ORG  - 928KB -   950,272 bytes - Electrum-SBTC-2.9.3.exe
ELECTROCASH.ORG   - 945KB -   968,192 bytes - Electron-Cash-3.0.exe
ELECTRUMGOLD.ORG  - 1.3MB - 1,380,864 bytes - Electrum-Gold-2.9.3.exe
ELECTRUMB2X.ORG   - 1.2MB - 1,273,856 bytes - Electrum-B2X-2.9.3.exe

They are all copies of:  https://electrongold.org/

All websites that are broken and not linked to original project or supported by the projects.
Also with fake links / unclickable.  But, all have fake clients at only 1MB executable files.

Note:  The image shows the same text for each wallet info.  Sites are IDENTICAL except for the coin name.

All registered to various name/addresses via ilovewww.com; however, all using China DNS
Name Server: NS1.IPCHINA163.COM
Name Server: NS2.IPCHINA163.COM

reddit users shilling the scam websites

https://www.reddit.com/user/dubbl_bubble
https://www.reddit.com/user/wielheussen
https://www.reddit.com/user/svogelaar01
https://www.reddit.com/user/elite5s
https://www.reddit.com/user/chris12209
https://www.reddit.com/user/cssc1978
https://www.reddit.com/user/schnieder16
https://www.reddit.com/user/manonbroumels
https://www.reddit.com/user/jhkansen1/
https://www.reddit.com/user/snffelhoeve
https://www.reddit.com/user/marjoalbert
https://www.reddit.com/user/ceesvegmond

It wouldn't matter anyway.

I doubt you would have seen any coins anyway.  Remember, they screwed everyone prior to the Phase 2 grace period distribution by not giving them the coins they should have received.  And, that was well over a month ago.  So, to think they would give out to those in 'grace period' seems like false hope anyway.

Well, you just proved you have nothing good or meaningful to say.

I never said everything was perfect or that nothing should be improved.  I wasn't whining about anything; that's what you're doing.  Continue with your reality bending.  With your lie right from the start, I stopped reading everything else you had to say.  Grow up.

Did you not read the thread?

What money was taken from you?



Thanks.
I agree with you.  I didn't realize there was such a big issue and that people are so willing to submit passports and drivers licenses.

Personally, I wouldn't sell my identification for $12.

Trying to understand what you mean by ID verification.
Byteball doesn't require an ID.   No ID is requested.  No camera is needed.  So, picture quality is a mute point.

If you mean Transition bot (address linking (again, nothing to do with a camera)) then the process is simple.  NO ID is needed.  NO Camera.  NO Picture.

Quote simply to link your address to get a part of the distribution, you follow the bot questions.
You tell it your byteball address.   two clicks.
You can pay the address it says (small amount)    OR    tell it your address and sign the message  (NO fee)

It's that simple.

If someone is having a camera to convert the address to qr code and then scan, etc, then that's added steps someone is doing that isn't needed.
The problem in that case has nothing to do with byteball and simply the end user making the process far more complicated than needed.

If someone is paying an address and the bot shows a zero balance, then it's because they had a change address their coins went to.  This is a part of bitcoin, not byteball.  People need to learn how bitcoin works and maybe just read a little more on byteball about what might have happened as to why byteball transition shows a balance that isn't expected.  There is no way for byteball to know your wallet has the coins you own distributed throughout many addresses.

Who said verification is a gamble?  Still making up things?

User unfriendy?  Sure, that's totally why byteball is doing well and has a thread with over 850 pages.
Users have NOT failed to verify because of single or multiple addresses.   Have you bothered to even look at transition bot to see this?  I have many wallets with single and multiple addresses.  Never a problem.  What is a problem you have with verification?   I would be interested in looking at example or two.

I see someone simply whining.  Just like my ex-wife (thank god).  If there is something to complain about, she will.  If there is nothing to complain about, she will still complain about it.

If you don't like it, then move on.  Stop making up problems to try to prove a point.

Really, your complaint now is the website as well?  Gawd.  Instead of complaining, why not make a suggestion?  'I suggest pretty colors on the site'?  lol

Let's back up some of your claims before you keep making stuff up.

Contradiction - Not looking for a handout, but asking for an airdrop.

'Tony sitting on the bytes for distribution.'   Oh gawd, so now you're complaining they weren't handed out fast enough?

'Why doesn't Tony set aside some bytes for the development and marketing ' - Do you check?  There are marketing efforts and I have donated to them.

Honestly, everyone has their own idea how something should be done.  If it doesn't match what they think, most will make suggestions.  Many, like yourself, simply complain about it.  Have you thought about starting your own project?  I mean, it's gotta be easy, right?

'Why has Tony completely ignored the community desire for a more professional/agreeable name?' - Another assumption on your part.  Did you consider that it might have been up for a pole/discussion and decided against?  Or, just something to bitch about?  Most coins that do that are a failing project in hope of getting a new name to revamp interest.  'Under New Management' and 'Rebraded' don't typically work.

'Why has Tony brushed off silvercatman's help with redesigning the website look?' - Did you ask him or want me to make up an answer.   Frankly, I don't know.  Why not ask him or silvercatman to find out instead of bitching about it in some random post that likely will not be read by the people that could give you a reasonable answer.

And finally, Tony did not say exchanges were not necessary.  He stated that exchanges are used by traders and that they are targetting regular people and that byteball needs to build payment gateways.
Just because he didn't fill your thought of what should be done, doesn't mean he said something that shouldn't be done.   Basically, it appears you simply read what the post said instead of listening to the audio of what he actually said.   And, even if he did say it wasn't necessary (he didn't), consider the language barrier as well.  

You're welcome to start your own project, but keep the facts clear.  I would like to look at your project when it comes out.  I would like to see something made that would fulfill all your issues/suggestions, but please remember, you also must make everyone happy that poses an issue that exists or not.

For future thought...

Wallet and APP are two different things.
Installing a new wallet, uninstalling, reinstalling, installing on top have no affect on the wallet (data) itself.

The same goes for a corrupted wallet in that all of the above will not fix it.



Don't know, but there is going to have to be more in order to distribute the promised number of bytes to the public.  I would like to know how those distributions will take place myself.


You will not be able to sign with segwit.
So, only chance (for you to test yourself), is to setup a segwit transaction and see it if will work in the transition bot.

segwit and multisig start with a 3
You can see that 1 or both formats are accepted with the transision bot.
http://transition.byteball.org/
The latest address that paid was:
3Q6j4BU9kmuuK2sMjKjg9vcg9x5kYLQgAf
Paid a TX and coins moved to what appears another segwit address.

Another example is:
3GQVpXeMa4njR3oqdHDPLrriBLfyCttoih
They paid the fee and the change went to another segwit change address and then the change was moved back to the original address in order to claim bytes based on the full number of bitcoins.

Reasonable users?   Ha!
Your response is akin to saying... Why shouldn't I be refunded by the casino if the ball lands on Red when I put my money on Black?   I mean, I intended to bet on Black, so it should be considered a win even though it was my mistake for physically putting it on Red.   Just like all the people investing on known Ponzi scams working out great until it fails and then complain that they lost their money and want it back.  LOL.  If someone invests in something and it makes money, they are happy.  If they invest and it goes down, it's everyone's fault but their own and they feel entitled to get everything back.

I like the rest of your paragraph.  You simply made everything up.   I don't see where the goal was to make things user-unfriendly - Please quote your source.
You also said Tony doesn't seem to care.  --- Please post where you came up with this far fetched idea as well.
Even better was your statement in which you quoted out of context.

Also, if you read the OP (Original Post) or even look at the website, you will see the next 'tentative' airdrop is in March.  I realize you are standing in line to get the free welfare check and complaining that there is no leather recliner to sit in.

Tony seems to care more about the project than the price.  I agree.  He wants the project to work (as I see it).   So, if the project succeeds, then the price will come.
Everyone is upset with the price; however, the price has tanked on everything - Everything.  So, be sure to look relatively at other coins as well.


Only lite wallet for android/ios.

If you can't sync, then you likely have TOR or some other feature installed which is blocking communication with byteball servers.

If your wallet shows syncing private payments, then it will need to be fixed.  You can send me the wallet and I will fix it for you.
- No, I will not go through the process via chat/dm.

If you have 0 bytes and 0 blackbytes then you don't have the above issue issue with a wallet that is trying to sync private payments.




Tony has nothing against SegWit.
Quite simply, you can't sign a transaction with the transition bot with a segwit address.  No signature.

If your intent is to claim bytes for a distribution, then move your coins to a legacy address just prior to the snapshot in order to get your claim.  There is another trick is making a transaction from your sw address, and sign via your legacy so that the bot will see both addresses as valid.  Sorry, I don't use SW, so I don't have an example to show you. 

Vote for Byteball.

https://bitindia.co/vote.html
Lets vote !



I believe you are using Windows.
Byteball the program is in:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Byteball

Byteball (the wallet) is in:
%localappdata%\byteball
which in my case translates to:
C:\Users\Michail\AppData\Local\byteball

When you make a backup, it stores (by default) the encrypted file in:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Byteball   using a name format similar to:   ByteballBackup-2018-02-07-07-22-49.encrypted

If you didn't make a backup, then you don't have that file to look for, but the data directory for your wallet still exists.

No, I am not angry at all.  UB is a bullshit coin.  I was just trying to point out how bad they are.

I'll try to find someone with coins that they are able to move (if I can) and DM you directly.

Probably because people buy the coin to gamble with and cash out when done gambling.  The casino may sell the coin for bitcoin so that others can buy it to gamble more.  Just a thought.

As for the second question.  Yes, people buy it for an investment in order to stake it for interest.

Their fork doesn't do anything; however, in order to 'claim' them, person with the private key needs to move the bitcoins.  This does two things.
It proves the coins are spendable since they (or a portion) was moved.
Also, it destroys coin days destroyed.
On a side note, it puts the owners at risk of loss in that they having to go to cold storage, etc in order to move and a mistake could be done at any point.

The public address is known by everyone.  Anyone running a full node could check the UXTO set.  Hell, you could download a snapshot from any explorer to see the balance of every single address.  So, they are not revealing anything with regards to balance by being forced to move coins.  I think you mean xpub key.  In that case, yes, it could be revealed and then a blockchain explorer could see addresses that belong to the wallet.  It's best not to use the same xpub either; however, HD wallets (although great for generating an address each time) don't create new xpub keys.  So, for those that really want to hide address balances, a new xpub should be used, but it's really each to simply follow the coin movement to the next address anyway.

UBTC balance does show the balance based on the BTC balance; however, they took them away.  The only balance is any coins that were NOT moved away from the address during phase 2; however, that was in order to get the removed coins that were labelled as 'Unutilized'.   Strangely, the lite wallet (electrum fork) does show the full balance, but doesn't allow you to spend/move them and doesn't even show the fact that they were removed as unutilized.   I am happy to provide you many more examples for BTC balances not moved (like all physical bitcoins) or even addresses that were specifically moved for phase 2.

UB is made worse in that they are now doing Phase 2 Grace Period in which they want you to submit your personal information in order to claim if you were not part of phase 1 or phase 2.  Strange that people would fall for this being naive to the fact that UB hasn't followed through with Phase 2 yet for coins moved over a month ago.  Why would people knowing this believe UB would now give you UB in phase 2 (b) if they haven't followed through with phase 2 (a) yet.  Maybe UB will really really promise to distribute them?  Ha.   Even if they did, they could just take them away anyway.

As for your tool.  I will look at it later; however, I noted immediately that the inputs are address which never contained bitcoin (as you pointed out may be a miner, but could also be part of an exchange).  So, they are addresses that were funded after the fork and likely from an exchange that was able to get coins from the phase 1 fork when they were included in hope of UB getting the name out or miner.  Although I have access to many addresses and their pkeys, I don't believe I have access to a single address that has UB since they were all defunded as unutilized.

Agreed.  White paper appears useless.

I would like to again ask if a single person was able to claim (and get (meaning spendable)) any UB from phase 2 or phase 2b (Grace period).

Why would you even consider trying to claim a coin where they haven't given out the coins they promised in the last Phase of distribution?  You don't honestly think that even after nearly 2 months that they would now follow through with Phase 2 Grace Period?


Sure, just pick any address that had bitcoin prior to the 'fork' that didn't move them during their period.  No need for me to provide one.
For an example, pick any physical bitcoin (like Casascius coins)... I went to uberbills and picked a random 1BTC coin to exist.
https://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=13MAXoPLQEmrtSTASDZrGNNpmsZ1gsAUnn
So, with blockchain.info (explorer), I see....
https://blockchain.info/address/13MAXoPLQEmrtSTASDZrGNNpmsZ1gsAUnn
Obviously still funded with 1BTC since 2016-01-25 03:32:40 (depending on time zone).

You can confirm it also has all forks (as monitored by the site) at:  https://btcdiv.com/   (just fill in the address - 13MAXoPLQEmrtSTASDZrGNNpmsZ1gsAUnn and click search)

So, wait.... a coin (address) that has existed for years, it has every fork EXCEPT United Bitcoin.  WTF?   Oh yeah, this proves my point.

Let's confirm the is/was a balance at UB.   Go to https://www.ub.com/explorer fill in the address and click search, or go directly there to:
https://www.ub.com/explorer/address?address=13MAXoPLQEmrtSTASDZrGNNpmsZ1gsAUnn

WTF, the 1UB coins was funded on: 2013-12-06 12:41:14.0  (proving this is a FORK of the block chain), but again... WTF...
It was taken back by UB on: 2017-12-12 06:29:44.0  (Unutilized).  Strange they added this back to the explorer currently so you can see they took the coin.

So although it is a fork, UB then took it back (some kind of GOD mode).   I would NEVER Buy a coin that can be taken back at will at any time.  This is worse than banking or a credit card.  In this case, you can't even complain.   Wouldn't you just hate to buy a house, pay it off, and then it's taken back by the bank?

Do you really want a coin to exist when a founder can simply take it back at will?

So, not only is this a bullshit coin, but it's not distributed on schedule (or at all).  Even worse, they can take any coin balance they want at will.


They control the blockchain.  GOD mode.  And, I absolutely agree with you.  Why would anyone invest in a chain where they can take the coins without even a fork.

That is not correct.

It definitely was a hard fork.

Check your addresses to see you gained the coins and there are transactions on the exact dates you received them on the bitcoin blockchain.
To be clear.... If you had received 1btc for every month for every year and you go to the UB explorer, you will see exactly that.  It shows every transaction (Not simply a single address with the full airdrop amount).  The blockchain is 100% a fork of the original.

The difference is UB used a god mode to take it all away.

This scam was simply to de-anonymize and kill coin days destroyed as you moved your coins to claim them as part of phase 2, but they didn't give anything back to the addresses.

This is more likely just another jgarzik fuck up in which he can't fix his own explorer (the full node or the lite node).

Even better, they changed the web explorer to hide the fact that they used such a GOD mode to reverse the 'unutilized' coins.  That transaction simply doesn't even show up anymore.

So, the first mistake you made was to NOT make a full backup.  That is the biggest mistake you could make and negates everything else in terms of blaming someone else for your problem.

Why would you delete your appdata (wallet folder) just because of a one time error?  That's another mistake (second) in that even if the wallet has a problem, it can be fixed.  So, a backup (simply moving the folder) is preferred to deleting and then hoping to magically get the funds to reappear.

Since you had your seed, you knew up front that a backup of a seed only would only restore bytes (not blackbytes), as it tells you exactly that during the seed backup (and recovery).

There is not a need for a wallet update to restore from seed.  It works.  I fear you have something else going on.
Delete the application and reinstall.

There is no way to block 'kids' from investing or even trying to claim free tokens.  'Kids' can also be mentally slow adults.  I see a bunch of people complain about Byteball (and all other projects as well), simply because they have no damn clue as to what they're doing.  They read what they want and ignore everything else.  So, when they can't figure out how they just spent $8, they complain the project is at fault and ignore what the transition bot said.  It's simply amazing how many of those 'kids' have no idea what a change address is or how to move coins but actually have coins to even move (without having lost them).  Almost as amazing is how many of those people have $100 worth of coin and willing to pay an $8 transaction, but complain that they haven't received $1000 worth of free coin.  They just simply have no clue and almost no amount of coaching will every help them or even change their mind that something is good or bad, because they've already made the decision in their head that it can't be their fault for having not followed directions.

No need to follow this thread.

Basically, it's a failed project.  A form of scam to deanonymize your coins.

No need to worry about it.  The project failed before it even got off the ground.