You can buy them new direcly from ehash.com  I know, I don't want to pay their ridiculous shipping fee though....maybe we can get a group buy going? They have 80 in stock so if we buy like 20 they will probably give a discount and shipping will end up being like 10 bucks each. |
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anyone selling these in the US?
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why are you selling this out of curiosity?
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I have a few Zeus 30MH scrypt miners.
Let me know if your interested.
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Well at least these guys seem to be promoting the whole open source thing, and are mainly interested in selling chips. People are already working with their designs and could have an open sourced miner pretty quickly.
And what that change if chips will be priced like 50$? No one will make open sourced miners becuse it will not to be economical... if is the biggest 2 letter word in the English language. What if they had 1,000,000 chips made each one cost them 4 dollars. Or 4,000,000 for the lot They are clever and realize selling 600,000 at 12 dollars each = 7.2 million a nice 3.2 million profit - shipping and other expenses = Maybe 2 million profit and 400,000 free chips. My point is selling at 12 to 20 a chip is feasible. Base on my if just as much as selling for 50 a chip on your if. Lets say you can buy them at 15 chip...that would be pretty nice....24 chips = 2TH = 360 in chip costs. How much could the board cost for this? Lets say 2 boards at 12 chips each...20 bucks a board from china? Slap then inside your existing cases and fans and your looking at a little over 200 bucks per TH. Would drool if that would be achievable to do with these. |
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Here is how we stop it.
1. Open source ASIC chip.
2. Open source low cost miner design.
3. Low cost miners in every hand.
4. P2Pool with those miners.
well - for example all you have to do is buy Bitfury's chip design and open-source it. I have already done #2, and plenty of people did #3. #4 will happen by itself. Yup. And what happened? You broke even maybe? How many Bitfury chips can you buy today? Millions bought them and now we had decentralized mining right? 100's did that is great but that is not millions, not enough to do much more than keep some hobbyists happy. There are things you can change. There are things you can't change. I don't see how you break a monopoly that is coming at all. Expecting these companies to be like you vs3 in anyway is not the hope you should be waiting for. I don't see anyone going to put the time and the effort in to make an ASIC and then get miners in the hands of millions which is the only way you beat the big players. It is over unless that happens somehow. I submit that the end is now and the monopoly on mining is already here and won't be challenged. Well at least these guys seem to be promoting the whole open source thing, and are mainly interested in selling chips. People are already working with their designs and could have an open sourced miner pretty quickly. |
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lol your selling GPUs on the bitcoin forums and expect us to believe over half of those weren't used for mining?
HA
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as from what I have seen the sample chips are usually a lot more expensive then final products.
Only in Bitcoin world. When you look at chips manufacturers sites you will find plenty of "get free sample" buttons. Normally I think samples are cheaper/free if you have proper credentials. Normally I think companies do this so you choose their chip to develop. But I will admit this is not the standard. It looks like they spent quite a bit of time to make a nice dev kit. With low volume I can see why it has a high price tag. But chips I'm a little worried with that being price. Makes me look down the line and wonder what final price will be. Based on gridseed's past history it will be price as high as possible as long as it sells. This thread reminds me of an old school porn movie attempting to go slow to get us excited. The first 20 minutes of the movie is all tease. This took 20 pages to offer any kind of product. I try not to sound jaded like other older members here , but I would be surprised to see it cheap. Secondly if it is cheap bitmaintech will price war the fuck out of them that was done to Sp-tech's sp20 and you know what happened when the price war happen with the two of them coins dropped to under 190 in January 2015. I hope they price it so that is is slightly better or worse then the s-5. Not like the Avalon 4.1 which is far better then the S-5 but cost a shit ton more. If anyone pays more than 400/TH for these when they come out in a month from now they will be complete retards. The diff will definitely double by the end of the summer with all the huge new 16nm clouds coming online soon....i bet stuff will be selling for under 200/TH by the end of the summer. |
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So if they are really making a 24 chips machine were looking at these specs
1.7 TH/s
@550W
~650-700 watts at the wall...and thats being conservative.
That is if you go with .6v
If they price this under $500 a pop they'll have a winner.
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Gridseeds were gimmicky but sold like hotcakes and they're scrypt machines were solid but pricey.
They made a fortune off of them and the blades. I still can remember some amazing setups with ton's of those circle gridseeds. Was pretty amazing to see. I still have hope for Sfards but I don't thing the product is on a rush to make it. Why we an guess but no one really knows. Well it doesn't need to rush now does it? Mining isn't changing at the speed it was once before. If you read what I said I don't think they are on a rush. With btc prices I'm guessing they are trying to do R/D as cheap as possible. And in the end get as much profit as possible. But it's sad they started out so good, looked promising about being open. Now we hear nothing. Yeah I wish we had a bit more information on what was going on. prices are poor so A) they are waiting to build B) they built and are mining hoping to get some money back before they sell it C) an unknown Pick your choice. It is not that complicated. This is what most of us long term miners are thinking. I will buy 1 or two and hope for prices to jump. I hope the day I get it prices jump and this gear doubles in price. I will mine for a while then sell it. Ive never understood this miner mentality...why are you wasting your money on miners if you think the price will jump? Your barely going to ROI if you buy hardware now as it is if ever, so why are you not buying the coin and holding it? Thats the problem with this community...everyone is in for profit...if half the miners actually stopped mining and bought coin with the thousands they would spend on miners then the price would start going up. More buyers instead of miners = upward price pressure and less dumping to fiat from miners = win/win. Stop feeding the chines trolls and actually support crypto. |
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I see bitfury just finished their 28nm chips, but there is no talk about miners or selling miners. Are they another KNC type where they no longer sell miners directly?
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lol buddy i don't know what planet your on but scrypt machines are going for like $5/MH, and with the price of litecoin now its even worse. Ill take it off your hands for 2k  |
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If its pulling 1.75 watts per 3.17MH for scrypt thats a little over 2x increase in efficiency over KNC titans 3.9 watts/MH. Either way these have to be priced pretty low or be near the 10TH speed range to make any financial sense with current BTC/LTC prices.
Using the S5 as an example lets say it has 55 chips that means it runs at 8.4TH @ 1600 watts so if bitman can sell a 55 chip device for 400 then this would have to be priced somewhere around 1-2k USD to make sense.
I think 1.5k would be a sweet spot for such a device but thats probably a dream...even at 1.5k that would mean a 100 day ROI IF (and a BIG IF) difficulty continues to remain flat.
Of course this changes if they can simutainiously mine BTC/LTC ...but I'm pretty sure those stats are for single mode.
Then again people are still paying over 400 for an S5 which will never see an ROI so who knows...
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So how do these power specs translate into watts per chip in both modes? Or is there a mistype and those specs should ready J/s? .19J/GH makes no sense.
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Currently QTL only lacks a good market.
Impossible to buy 3k without putting the price 10% higher.
Thats the whole point, your buying a stake in QTL and not only are you essentially getting the trader for "free" there is potential to make money off your QTL stake as well as interest ramps up and more people get onboard. Just look at the price, people who bought in when the trader first came out have already doubled their value, and this trend will only continue. |
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where is there a pool for this?
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The premine killed this coin. Such a shame.
Enough with the nagging about the premine, the premine is pretty much all still there, a link was placed so you can see the full amount so enough with this. Why are people still complaining about the only coin out currently that is doing something innovative for the community and has a long term goal oriented future with a super active community and developer? People have been burned left and right by pump and dump POS coins trying to make a quick buck, yet QTL is not a get rich quick scheme for the dev and people are still complaining... Seems like everyone just wants pump and dump coins....go enjoy them and loose all your investments and stop trolling here. |
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I have a bunch of Powered PCIE Express Riser Cables for sale. PM me!
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I'm really not a fan of forking the service like this. Sellers will have to watch two or three sites now to determine which is the best paying. Buyers are going to have to watch two or three sites now to see which has the lowest price. Sorry, but I feel this is going to dilute the service and make things more complicated for everyone.
I can understand having multiple stratum frontends to spread load out but those frontends should be trunked on the backside so they still operate as a single service. For the buyers, they should either be able to select an exit point for the lowest latency to their pool or the service should choose an exit point by doing a ping test from the different exit points.
Ya I agree...was scratching my head over this one... Yep, if this was merely about load balancing then that would be great but setting these up as stand-alone services isn't going to help anyone. +1000 This is the dumbest thing I have seen in a while....why not just make multiple geographic servers and load balance all of them under nicehash.com?? Your just splitting up your user base and causing confusion and more issues. |
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