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1601  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTS - 8,000 MH/s of ETH miners on: March 30, 2017, 04:20:45 AM
good to see the rigs I worked on being in good use Wink
1602  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 8x Sapphire Dual X R9 280x/7970s on: March 29, 2017, 05:55:23 AM
Two 7970s still available.
1603  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) on: March 28, 2017, 06:18:28 PM
I'd like to know about stefano approach to solve the link issue (custom flat ribbon cable, eSata Express, U.2 even multiple USB-C are valid as long has enough lines to full link the PCIe port (18-20 lines total, but it could be less w/o redundant lines, but not so few as with USB3 10 lines).

Custom designed cable, plus the chipset I am using allows for custom PCIe lane tuning, which is the reason why I am able to have this rock solid. Gotta open them eyes Wink(anyone thats done high speed signal engineering will know what I mean).

For people asking about dimensions I will have all that info in my announcement thread soon. But its designed to fit in a rackmount demensions.
1604  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) on: March 27, 2017, 10:03:24 PM
so what your saying your going to be offering the motherboard for around 70 to 80 dollars? if not its hardly worth it. your still vetting out hardware so to say it will be cheaper in total supporting component costs per gpu is a bit premature. tbh I doubt this setup will be cheaper than compared to a typical 6 to 7 gpu setup not to mention your playin to a niche market and not everyone in that market will see that as viable, I see more points of failure being added etc, thats what I look at. but all in all I guess we all will find out

my question is what happens when you cant deliver on this promise your making that it will be cheaper and it turns out its not, you going to take a hit? doubt it lolz

That's not what he was saying, though...

Using the typical 6-GPU setup, the motherboard ($80), CPU ($40), RAM ($30), OS drive ($20), and risers ($50) add up to $220 (may be more or less depending on sales and availability, but this is about as low as you're going to go most of the time while using a free OS).  Divide that by 6, and you have a per-GPU cost of $36.67.  I'm not considering power supplies, because you'll need almost the same amount of power for either of these options, though needing only one ATX connection would further reduce costs.  I'm also not considering the labor cost of setting up 3 systems with risers vs 1 system without risers.

For the 16-GPU board to be viable, the cost of the board, CPU, RAM, and OS drive combined must be less per GPU than $36.67.  That means about $586, minus CPU, RAM, and OS drive (let's say ~$90 for those items).  At around $500, this board would be comparable if you're using 3 consumer PSUs.  If you're using one of the 4K + PICO PSU configurations, the board is comparable at $550-$600.  If you are using a paid OS, you're saving 2x the cost of that, as well, so potentially $700-$800.  Personally, I think the time and troubleshooting savings of not dealing with risers, and their myriad potential points of failure, is probably worth another $200 itself for bigger farmers.

I would be shocked to see a custom 16-GPU solution like this at $500, but even double that would probably have a good market among folks like OP.

I don't see OP even touching that, doubt you would see it for $500 and honestly with the setup having so many gpu's it just brings up a whole different set of failure points, as some have mentioned before. what if one gpu fails it could affect the whole rig and that could end up being costly, gpu's down is money lost. what about trouble shooting to figure out which one has failed, that wont be an easy task.

Setup is built around a 8 GPUs per daughterboard(the actual board I'm building). Two of my boards are connected to the mainboard (~$150). My current estimates are around 150 per board..so 300+100 = $450...I guess my estimate price is a bit too low for you then  huh Wink The current board I'm testing can physically connect a total of 18 GPUs since it has two extra PCIE slots...youll will just need risers for that last two (there is a possibility a future BIOS update I could make it to post with 3 or even 4 of my boards for a total of 32 GPUs, but I'm just working on 16 for now...plus I would need to work closely with miner devs for anything more than 16...I have slowly hinted them improvements which they have already implemented for multi GPU setups in the past year).

Also the board has status LEDs per GPU lane...if a GPU goes down you'll know right away which one it is, and yes if one GPU crashes the board will still work. This is no different than any other mutigpu setup, other than it having just more GPU lanes. Your doing something wrong if one GPU crash brings down your whole system.

Keep in mind that this price is mostly dependent on the quantities I can order for parts on the first batch. Obviously more boards = less price per board. I am also pretty much charging the cost of components + a small profit margin for me. The design + dev + testing + prototyping etc is all done by me so thats why I can price it so low.

1605  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) on: March 27, 2017, 06:24:01 PM

@ jstefanop - I believe the setup is using server CPU and other things that may make the setup a bit pricey?  I was excited about the config but the lack of info is making me lose interest, time to keep building rigs the normal way and MAKE SOME Money.................   I'm never a fan of constant teasers, I prefer the FULL SHOW.  =)


Nope...skylake/kabylake pentium or i3 work just fine (my dev setup uses an i3 since double the threads is worth it when driving 16 GPUs....but I realized that CPU utilization even for 16 GPUs is so low that a pentium will probably work just fine as well. I will test this week). The motherboard IS a server based board with 1151 socket, but since I will buy these in bulk for this project it will cost less than a typical 6-7 GPU board you guys are using.

Sorry for the lack of info but I deliver what I promise (guys that bought my scrypt USB ASIC miner can vouch on that), so I don't like announcing things early since I'm still in the middle of vetting out the hardware.

What I can promise right now is that this solution will definitely be cheaper in total supporting component costs per GPU with the typical 6-7 GPU setup right now.
1606  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: TRULY Custom RAM Timings for GPU's with GDDR5 on: March 25, 2017, 05:33:04 AM
Yea I got a batch of Samsung based reference saph 470s and manually added the offsets, but for some reason the gpu would not post with the offset added. Weird cause offsets on Hynix/micron cards worked fine. Never had time to investigate this.

What location were you adding the offsets at? Because I don't think they can be added at A992 for cards that dont already have a programmed offset built in.
Maybe the learned folk on this thread could shed some light on how to go about adding an offset location to a bios that doesn't have one.

Check out Overclock.net forum.

There are some threads there that'll get you a long way to be able to add global offset.

You basically have to find the voltage table (you can find this easily with atombiosreader)
Open your rom in a hexeditor, find that table, (For a lot of Sapphire models, the VDDC offset is already there) 00 8D 00 ** 00

If you want to add it you'll need to modify the table by adding those values in that table.
You then have to update the length of the VoltageObjectInfo (VOI) table & also update the length of the i2c table in VOI table <-- (something a lot of people tend to forget, i remember Wolf having issues with this as well until i told him that he had to change this value too (I2C table)).

After that you have to remove the amount of bytes you added in the legacy ROM section (or the size of the rom is incorrect).

That's not all, after doing that you have to modify the master table as well (there's a calculator for this, also on overclock.net).

It's not "that" difficult but the risk of bricking your card is A LOT higher here than screwing around with timings.

Greetings!

Yea I've added the offset to multiple BIOSes, but for some reason this specific card with samsung memory does not like it.

Yep...nvm just checked the file and realized I forgot to update the i2c length on that one  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
1607  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: TRULY Custom RAM Timings for GPU's with GDDR5 on: March 23, 2017, 11:17:20 PM
Kinda OT since this is a RAM Timings thread, but ill ask this anyways :

For Sapphire RX 470 4GB (Ref) cards GPU Core Volt offset is at A992 correct?
Now for the cards with Hynix memory, I find the default 04 which is 4 X 6.25 or +25mv, which seems legit.
But for the cards with Samsung memory, the value at A992 is FF which is -1 X 6.25 or -6.25mv, so something looks off.
Do different memory versions of the card have different default offset values? Or is the location different?

Any help/guidance would be appriciated.

Seems like the samsung one doesn't have global offset.

Stock roms with global offset have either '03' +18.75mV value or '04' +25mV as VDDC offset.
I've never seen something else, or rather negative offset.. and i've opened up a lot of them ;-) 'But correct me if i'm wrong..'

Greetings.

Yea I got a batch of Samsung based reference saph 470s and manually added the offsets, but for some reason the gpu would not post with the offset added. Weird cause offsets on Hynix/micron cards worked fine. Never had time to investigate this.
1608  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 8x Sapphire Dual X R9 280x/7970s on: March 23, 2017, 11:01:04 PM
shipping from?

Yeah, where are you located?

NY only have the two 7970s left.
1609  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) on: March 22, 2017, 11:48:00 PM

nice ! but . . . 1 gpu goes down, whole rig goes down = lotsa downtime, the initial startup & DAG generation must be loooong. good for enthusiast but imo, it's NOT good or recommended for a newbie. try dual mining & what see it spits out. i won't even goto PSU topic, the amount of mess of cables (heh, except my rigs but still need LOTS of work) & i think 1 of the worse would be to figure out which gpu or hardware is the 1 causing all the issue or the entire rig to fail.

sorry for the -ve points but that's what i think & i hope you take it as constructive -ve points.

nevertheless, HURRY up & share the secret sauce & an awesome job done !
 

Well the point of this project is to have a cheaper/easier entry into muti-gpu mining that never existed before. This will REDUCE downtime/cost and increase ease of setup, since no risers = no USB cords or riser power cords. Sucks I have to keep rebooting this dev system otherwise I could prob show off a 100+ hour continuous mining with no GPU fails with these boards. I don't even need to mention the benefits for a larger farm. 

Of course if a GPU does go down its just a matter of rebooting (about 2-3 min from reboot to full hashing with 16 GPUs, on eth, faster with Zcash or other algos)
1610  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) on: March 22, 2017, 04:05:15 PM
ok last teaser for you guys I promise  Grin

1611  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: TRULY Custom RAM Timings for GPU's with GDDR5 on: March 21, 2017, 07:03:15 AM
WOW - thats a bold statement -- I would suggest doing a little more research before making wild statements like that, The Stilt is a well known and respected guy in the AMD world.   Huh

In regards to the other comments, welcome to the club, several of us (myself, wolf0 etc) have put in countless hours

Respect is irrelevant.
I said 'Out of historic context it is hard to tell who copied who.'
It is not bold, it just states that either vendors used Stilt work or other way around.
Who done it is irrelevant (at least for me), changed values are not.

Do you really think the big AMD vendors don't have access to AMDs proprietary in-house BIOS dev tools, and need to copy straps from some guy on forums? (FYI the Stilt had/has access to the same tools).
1612  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 8x Sapphire Dual X R9 280x/7970s on: March 17, 2017, 06:47:17 PM
Still available.
1613  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Gateless Gate: zawawa's open-source ZEC/ETH/XMR/PASC miner (250 S/s on RX 480) on: March 17, 2017, 04:49:04 PM
It seems that the real maximum size of GDS segments for RX 480 is 16KB.
It's a little disappointing, but still much better than 4KB without the kernel patch.
This number is also consistent with nertralph's report that Optiminer runs four CPU threads per GPU as GDS utilization can be maximized this way.
Now let me fix the kernel patch one more time...

Or maybe Optiminer runs just 2 instances of the kernel and uses only half of the GDS.  It's possible (I'd even say probable) the benefits of using a full 64KB is offset by slower GDS access caused by contention with 4 instances of the kernel running.


Pretty sure both optiminer and claymore running two kernel threads.
1614  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Do we really need special motherboard? on: March 16, 2017, 05:06:49 PM

yes!  you can build a unstable system with 6+ cards if you have no idea what you are doing


What are the major (top 3?) reasons multi-card rigs are unstable, in your opinion?  Under-sized PSU?  Cheap USB risers?  I think these are the reasons my build have been unstable and lock up after 4 or 5 minutes.

Unstable?...12 GPUs at 82 hours + Wink  (btw ignore the horrible eth hashrates...i just switched this rig over to eth and have been busy testing my prototype board so they still have ZEC bioses on them)


I don't doubt that your rig is stable.  How does a novice like me harden my implementation? I'm asking for advice

Unfortunately what I have found out GPU mining all these years is that most of it is not even your fault, and not much you can do about it. Thats the reason I started this whole project. The cheap Chinese GPU risers you and most people are using are inherently unstable, and are a major contributing factor in why GPUs "freeze" (the other reason being too aggressive BIOS mods/clocks/voltages).
1615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Pcie 1 to 3 Port 1X Switch Multiplier HUB Riser. Which motherboard works. on: March 16, 2017, 04:35:41 PM
I'm curious if this custom solution will work with 8GB cards, or only with 4GB cards?

Its a custom solution that would work with ANY card, could be future Vega 12GB cards as well.

Yes there is no theoretical limit to what my solution will work with, should be fine with Nvidia cards as well. I am specifically testing with a mix of 470s/480s with 4/8GB

when can we expect more details Smiley My F5 button is almost dead. Big investors are waiting here Smiley

Ill post official announcement either this weekend or early next week.
1616  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Do we really need special motherboard? on: March 16, 2017, 04:33:28 PM

yes!  you can build a unstable system with 6+ cards if you have no idea what you are doing


What are the major (top 3?) reasons multi-card rigs are unstable, in your opinion?  Under-sized PSU?  Cheap USB risers?  I think these are the reasons my build have been unstable and lock up after 4 or 5 minutes.

Unstable?...12 GPUs at 82 hours + Wink  (btw ignore the horrible eth hashrates...i just switched this rig over to eth and have been busy testing my prototype board so they still have ZEC bioses on them)

1617  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Pcie 1 to 3 Port 1X Switch Multiplier HUB Riser. Which motherboard works. on: March 16, 2017, 03:59:44 PM
I'm curious if this custom solution will work with 8GB cards, or only with 4GB cards?

Its a custom solution that would work with ANY card, could be future Vega 12GB cards as well.

Yes there is no theoretical limit to what my solution will work with, should be fine with Nvidia cards as well. I am specifically testing with a mix of 470s/480s with 4/8GB
1618  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) on: March 11, 2017, 03:22:29 AM
geeze what motherboard can do 16 gpus?

With any standard motherboard and some pcie multiplier you can do same thing !

Its been asked many times and he is not giving up the gold.  The motherboard is a MSI Z97 gaming 5 but he did his own bios and very low level linux kernel changes.

Not quiet, but the prototype systems I have run a Z97 variant. The host boards for the production systems will most likely be a Z170 or C236 board.
1619  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) on: March 11, 2017, 03:18:51 AM
I P.M asking him for 1.  Hahah.  I want 1 of these bad boy!!! Although..............that would increase my odds of 1 of them crashing rig much higher but seems like Linux handle it better than windows.  It would probably best on very stable unmod cards.   Although I wouldnt mind running 16 x Furies for bragging rights.  The Sexy designs I can do with it.....................    =)

It will actually decrease your crash rate even compared to a 4-7 GPU rig setup. I engineered these boards to be built for GPU hashing from the ground up...the cheap Chinese risers were never designed for that purpose( or at least USB 3 cables used to carry the sensitive differential pairs in PCIe lanes is a horrible way to do it). Unfortunanlty I have to reboot these mutiple times for testing otherwise id post a screeny of them running for a week straight (oh and all GPUs have modded bioses on them).
1620  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Data Center Mining Garage and Man Mining Cave ( PART 2 !!!!!!!!) on: March 11, 2017, 03:13:37 AM
geeze what motherboard can do 16 gpus?

With any standard motherboard and some pcie multiplier you can do same thing !

unless its something like http://amfeltec.com/products/gpu-oriented-cluster/
which I have to say is pretty neat, but im sure its not cheap

Nope...this is a complete custom board engineered by me.
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