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41  Other / Politics & Society / Javier Milei wins presidency in Argentina on: November 20, 2023, 10:22:48 PM
Unexpectedly, Javier Milei won the presidency in Argentina. I'd been following this story because it's interesting to see a Milton-Friedman-style libertarian (or at least someone who identifies himself that way) suddenly get put in charge of an ultra-statist, pretty-screwed-up country.

I hope that he does really well and turns Argentina into a libertarian paradise where I can move someday. But I expect that it's going to be a huge disaster. Milei appears to be a bomb-thrower (like Trump or Bolsonaro) rather than a serious policy wonk, which absolutely will not help him now that he's the one in power. When he tries ending popular programs and firing government employees, people will riot. If I was him, I'd get a diverse group of really serious experts (mostly but not entirely libertarian-leaning), and see if they can come up with some sane policy changes which won't cause riots.

Any Argentinians here with an opinion? I'm not very familiar with Argentina, and I've only read a handful of articles on Milei, so my knowledge is only surface-level.
42  Other / Meta / Re: DT update log on: November 01, 2023, 09:25:49 PM
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43  Other / Meta / Re: Investigation and action required. Unusual forum moderation. on: October 31, 2023, 05:19:19 PM
Isn't this statement contradicting itself?
The word "misconduct" implies bad intent. This was a moderator getting tricked.

Since Ratimov was turning his old topics into garbage on purpose
He wants to delete his posts, but he can't delete the topics, so he's editing them to be "blank". This is common and allowed.

then he moved his trash in the Russian local board
This is a rule violation, but it's fairly minor. A veteran forum member isn't typically going to be banned without warning for moving their topics incorrectly. (These topics were blanked and then deleted over the course of ~3 days before the issue was noticed. It wasn't part of an ongoing pattern AFAICT.) If he continues to move topics incorrectly, this would warrant a temporary ban.

I would argue that even self-mod threads that Ratimov cleaned out should be restored and locked, if that's not done already.
It's allowed for topic-starters to delete all replies to their self-mod topics. Restoring the posts would only be considered in special cases such as if their account had been hacked.

Also, if a topic has no more replies, moderators will typically delete the topic on request, since then there isn't the issue of deleting other people's replies. That's why the empty topics were not restored.
44  Other / Meta / Re: Forum moved to bitcointalk.org on: October 30, 2023, 08:56:30 PM
Sorry for bumping an old thread. But I did not want to create a new topic just to ask this simple question. The URL is not valid anymore. So where the Bitcoin wiki was moved? Is it the Bitcoin Wiki subforum? Or https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki is the official wiki of Bitcoin? Who controls this website at this moment? As far as I know, Bitcoin.org is in control of Cobra, and bitcoincore.org was separated from Bitcoin.org as well. Who controls the bitcoincore.org website?

There was a dokuwiki wiki on bitcoin.org from very early on. At the same time bitcointalk.org was split off from bitcoin.org, this wiki was as well. But IIRC it was shut down shortly after, since bitcoin.it had become much more popular. bitcoin.it and the bitcoin.org wiki existed at the same time for several months, and they sort of competed with each other during this time.

I wrote most of the content on the bitcoin.org wiki, and I moved most of it to bitcoin.it at some point. For example, if you look at the edit history for the Privacy page, you'll see that I created it on Dec 19, 2010 with the edit-message "Copy from old wiki". There were several pages like this.

(You'll have to do some more research if you want to figure out the exact timeline; I don't remember it off-hand.)

The bitcoin.it domain is owned by the forum, but it's always had a totally independent admin team. I've never been an admin there, nor appointed any admin. However, nowadays it seems mostly abandoned, with only 5 edits in the last 30 days (about half of which look like spam); I've been thinking for a few years that I should appoint some new admins or something, or maybe just shut it down and set up a redirect to bitcoinwiki.org.

Bitcoincore.org is run by the Bitcoin Core developers. I don't know off-hand who controls it.

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Or https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki is the official wiki of Bitcoin?

There is no "official" anything.
45  Other / Meta / Re: Investigation and action required. Unusual forum moderation. on: October 30, 2023, 08:55:23 PM
I see no evidence of misconduct, though it was incorrect to delete topics with substantial replies. All of the deleted topics with replies have been restored to Archival.

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[d.] He reports other's posts from the topics.
[e.] Moderators delete the reported posts because now these posts are irrelevant in the discussion

This didn't happen. In all of Ratmov's deleted topics, only 3 replies were deleted by moderators in the last 2 years, and none of these deletions were by xandry or Xal0lex.
46  Other / Meta / Re: Huge site outage! on: October 12, 2023, 01:10:36 PM
It was the same weird thing which caused a few hours of downtime 6-12 months ago, and I think it's what causes the few minutes of downtime people observe every few weeks. I've never been able to figure out what causes it. It looks like the network gets cut between the web server and the database for a while. It seems to always happen at around the same time, so I suppose it's probably some automated maintenance process messing something up, but I don't have anything running at this time, so I wonder if it's something in the web-host's networking infrastructure, or something like that. It's difficult to diagnose, since it happens rarely, and usually when I'm sleeping.

I'm planning on upgrading the main servers sometime in the next few months. (Just as part of standard maintenance: there will be no user-visible changes other than perhaps slightly improved speed.) Maybe that'll fix it just by virtue of moving things to different areas.

(The few minutes of downtime just now was due to me doing something, and is unrelated.)
47  Other / Meta / Re: DT update log on: October 01, 2023, 08:18:38 PM
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48  Other / Meta / Re: Is CNBC blocked on Bitcointalk? on: September 17, 2023, 06:52:53 PM
Fixed.
49  Other / Meta / Re: Improving the auto-linker (SMF patch) on: September 08, 2023, 07:48:01 PM
Done, thanks! What a monstrous regex...

I'm 95% sure that this change is correct, but if anyone notices this breaking any posts, let me know.
50  Other / Meta / Re: DT update log on: September 01, 2023, 07:43:04 PM
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51  Other / Meta / Re: Decoupling message IDs from topic IDs (SMF patch) on: August 31, 2023, 02:30:55 AM
Added, thanks!

It would be better if message-links didn't have the topic in them, but I'm worried that changing the links in [quote]s etc. would break something, so this will only be used by people in-the-know about it, not in any forum-generated HTML.

(I've also been meaning to write a very simple API which would allow bots to function more efficiently in general, but I haven't gotten to it yet.)
52  Other / Meta / Re: DT update log on: August 01, 2023, 06:50:14 PM
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53  Other / Meta / Re: DT update log on: July 03, 2023, 08:28:51 PM
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54  Other / Meta / Re: Another birthday - how about an octogenarian club here? on: June 21, 2023, 12:31:18 AM
Congratulations! I imagine that octogenarians are rare on any forum, so it's cool to have you here.
55  Other / Meta / Re: DT update log on: June 02, 2023, 01:56:11 AM
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56  Other / Meta / Re: Poll on solving the imgur issue on: May 25, 2023, 06:11:09 PM
to prevent this from happening again, you'll get an error if you try to embed imgur images in posts from now on.
This also means old posts can no longer be edited without replacing the image links (I just tested it).

It's based on the message ID. Posts before roughly when I posted that can be edited without updating the imgur links.
57  Other / Meta / Re: Poll on solving the imgur issue on: May 24, 2023, 06:24:57 PM
It looks like imgur is no longer blocking the image proxy. I didn't change anything on the forum's end, so imgur must've loosened up their limits. I guess it's not necessary to convert img images into links as long as imgur keeps working. But to prevent this from happening again, you'll get an error if you try to embed imgur images in posts from now on.

I'd like to create a page which recommends services for hosting forum images, and mention this in the error message you get when you try to use imgur. Other than TalkImg, which ones are good?
58  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk Official Twitter Handle will get Disabled due to Zero Activities! on: May 19, 2023, 05:33:12 PM
I logged into the account about a week ago to keep it active. If I have to keep doing this all the time, then I'll probably just let it expire, since it hasn't been used in a long time anyway.
59  Other / Meta / Re: Gateway time-out Error code 504 on: May 19, 2023, 05:31:47 PM
My best guess at this point is that it was a random failure of some networking hardware. It doesn't look like any failure I've seen before, so it's difficult to diagnose. It doesn't particularly look like a DDoS or other attack, though I can't rule it out.

There won't be any downtime if/when I change anything regarding images.
60  Other / Meta / Re: @theymos - Time to update the current Ledger situaion @ Important Announcements? on: May 18, 2023, 11:57:49 PM
It strikes me as very unlikely that anything related to this is going to cause widespread losses anytime soon, so I don't think that an Important Announcement is necessary.

Tweet by Ledger from 6 months ago:

Hi - your private keys never leave the Secure Element chip, which has never been hacked. The Secure Element is 3rd party certified, and is the same technology as used in passports and credit cards. A firmware update cannot extract the private keys from the Secure Element.

I'm not as bothered by the whole idea of an opt-in centralized recovery thing as a lot of people seem to be, but this quote in particular is pretty damning because it shows that Ledger was/is either incompetent or lying.

I edited Ledger out of my "do not keep your money in online accounts" post. I still want to recommend some hardware wallet which is fairly easy-to-use, so I left Trezor in, even if it may not be perfect.
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