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281  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No ifs, no buts, not maybe Brexit is happening by 31st January 2020. on: December 13, 2019, 07:06:05 PM
Another shocking election! I guess the spirit that caused the original brexit result and the Trump election isn't dead yet.

The EU is authoritarian and economically-intrusive, and I think that moving government power to more local levels tends to provide on-net-better outcomes than otherwise, so if I was a UK citizen, I definitely would've been a brexit supporter. That said, I'm not very optimistic about the UK's future. I feel like the UK's politics (ie. the feelings of the average person as well as the average politician) is actually 90% aligned with the EU. As a result, the UK is likely to more-or-less continue EU policies, which are anti-freedom and a drag on the economy, but via brexit it will lose the economic advantages it gained by being a prominent member of the EU.

The only way that brexit will end up being a net positive economically is if the UK adopts a lot of free-market policies that it couldn't have done while in the EU. Some possible outcomes, in order of most to least likely:

  • IMO the most likely outcome is that the UK ends up as some sort of EU satellite like Switzerland. (This was basically May's deal.) As such, it will continue to be forced to do what the EU says, but will have less say in how the EU functions. Brexit supporters won't get anything they wanted, and remainers also won't be completely happy. Mostly the pre-brexit status quo will continue, but the UK will have lost a lot from the brexit commotion, and there may also be some continual economic disadvantages to their new status.
  • Another possibility is that they hard-brexit but end up keeping 90% of the EU's policies, resulting in an attempt at being a "mini EU" economy. This will leave them in a no man's land where they won't be able to do trade deals with anyone, but their economy will be dragged down by the EU's anti-free-market policies. This'll result in economic disaster, and eventually it'd have to change. Probably after several years of deep recession, the political winds would blow toward rejoining the EU (under much less favorable terms).
  • Less likely, the UK could hard-brexit and align themselves pretty closely to the US. This is what Trump is offering. It requires a hard brexit, or something close. Although the US is very far from perfect, this probably would be enough of a free-market shift to be a net benefit for the UK. The trouble is that as I mentioned, the UK's population seems politically aligned with the EU, not the US. When the US's draft trade deal was published some time ago, people in the UK were freaking out about "chlorinated chicken" and "selling off the NHS", etc.
  • Very unlikely, the UK could hard-brexit and not align themselves with anyone, but drop almost all EU policies and become a free-market haven like Singapore. This'd be excellent, but it seems unlikely.

I'll continue watching with interest...
282  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: December 10, 2019, 06:34:48 PM
At the moment I'd give Trump an advantage, but I wouldn't bet much on it. Biden is currently the clear favorite for the nomination, and although he's a shockingly poor candidate, Trump has several must-win states with close polls. There are many plausible paths for Biden to win vs Trump, even if none of them look particularly probable right now IMO. Also, there's some chance of Bernie or Buttigieg winning the nomination, and I think they'd have much better odds than Biden vs Trump. I also still see an elevated chance of recession in 2020, which would hurt Trump a lot.

If you want to nitpick the bet construction: There is no one "electoral college meeting". Each state has an electoral college meeting at separate places and times; the electors there write down their state's votes and send them to the House of Representatives, where they are tabulated sometime in early January. There's a small chance of odd occurrences here:

First, there's a small but not-safely-ignorable chance of a 270-270 tie, or of a third-party candidate getting votes and creating a non-majority. Then the (incoming) House decides, but they vote in a weird way which (at a quick glance) probably favors the Republicans.

Second, on a majority vote in both the (incoming) House & Senate, a state's electoral votes can be completely ignored on the grounds that the state's electoral votes were not handled legally, such as due to an election conducted contrary to state or federal law. You could imagine this happening if one side wins both chambers of Congress but not the presidency, and they can point to some sort of "election interference" (as both sides like to complain about) in one or more states. This would make your bet particularly ambiguous, since Congress would be saying that some of the electors are not actually proper electors.
283  Other / Meta / Re: Merit stats page doesn't reflect caption competition merits, afaict on: December 09, 2019, 08:38:15 PM
So the 11 Merit I received from "Bitcoin Forum" aren't counted as real earned Merits, but they're counted as airdropped? That's a terrible idea Tongue

They will be counted in forum calculations referencing earned merit, but merit sent to/from (Bitcoin Forum) aren't considered on most (maybe all, don't remember) merit-stats pages.
284  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "China's Gold-Backed Crypto Currency Will Blindside US Dollar" on: December 09, 2019, 07:12:45 PM
Although I tend to align with their political bent, zerohedge is a terrible source. Most of what they report/repeat is rumor that never pans out. If you live life with the attitude of, "my enemies suck and will fall apart on their own, LOL!", then you live in complacency and usually end up losing your fights.

I think that China more-or-less accepts Western mainstream economics, so I doubt they believe that a gold-backed currency could work. They also know that challenging the dollar's dominance in such a direct, explosive way would be an unbelievable escalation which could very well lead to at least some kind of hot war. If they did create a gold-backed cryptocoin, it'd probably be heavily locked-down, probably more like their existing internal payment systems than anything like Bitcoin. (I have heard that the Chinese population has some affinity for gold-as-money.)

It would be incredibly interesting if China created a gold-backed cryptocoin usable cross-border. It'd probably be a big hit worldwide, and would definitely erode the USD's (and US's) influence. It'd be especially cool if they did it via blinded bearer certificates like I described here.
285  Economy / Auctions / Advertise on this forum - Round 294 on: December 09, 2019, 06:49:49 PM
The forum sells ad space in the area beneath the first post of every topic page. This income is used primarily to cover hosting costs and to pay moderators for their work (there are many moderators, so each moderator gets only a small amount -- moderators should be seen as volunteers, not employees). Any leftover amount is typically either saved for future expenses or otherwise reinvested into the forum or the ecosystem.

Ads are allowed to contain any non-annoying HTML/CSS style. No images, JavaScript, custom fonts, or animation. Ads must appear 3 or fewer lines tall in my browser (Firefox, 900px wide). Ad text may not contain lies, misrepresentation, or inappropriate language. Ads may not link directly to any NSFW page. No ICOs[1], loggable mixers[2], banks, funds, or anything that a person can be said to "invest" in; I may very rarely make exceptions if you convince me that you are ultra legit, but don't count on it. Ads may be rejected for other reasons, and I may remove ads even after they are accepted.

There are 10 total ad slots which are randomly rotated. So one ad slot has a one in ten chance of appearing. Nine of the slots are for sale here. Ads appear only on topic pages with more than one post, and only for people using the default theme.


- Your ads are guaranteed to be up for at least 7 days.
- I usually try to keep ads up for no more than 11 days.
- Sometimes ads might be up for longer, but hopefully no longer than 12 days. Even if past rounds sometimes lasted for long periods of time, you should not rely on this for your ads.


Exact historical impression counts per slot:

Info about the current ad slots:

Ad blocking

Hero/Legendary members, Donators, VIPs, and moderators have the ability to disable ads. I don't expect many people to use this option. These people don't increase the impression stats for your ads.

I try to bypass Adblock Plus filters as much as possible, though this is not guaranteed. It is difficult or impossible for ABP filters to block the ad space itself without blocking posts. However, filters can match against the URLs in your links, your CSS classes and style attributes, and the HTML structure of your ads.

To prevent matches against URLs: I have some JavaScript which fixes links blocked by ABP. You must tell me if you want this for your ads. When someone with ABP and JavaScript enabled views your ads, your links are changed to a special randomized URL which redirects to your site when visited. People without ABP are unaffected, even if they don't have JavaScript enabled. The downsides are:
- ABP users will see the redirection link when they hover over the link, even if they disable ABP for the forum.
- Getting referral stats might become even more difficult.
- Some users might get a warning when redirecting from https to http.

To prevent matching on CSS classes/styles: Don't use inline CSS. I can give your ad a CSS class that is randomized on each pageload, but you must request this.

To prevent matching against your HTML structure: Use only one <a> and no other tags if possible. If your ads get blocked because of matching done on something inside of your ad, you are responsible for noticing this and giving me new ad HTML.

Designing ads

Make sure that your ads look good when you download and edit this test page:
Also read the comments in that file.

Images are not allowed no matter how they are created (CSS, SVG, or data URI). Occasionally I will make an exception for small logos and such, but you must get pre-approval from me first.

The maximum size of any one ad is 51200 bytes.

I will send you more detailed styling rules if you win slots in this auction (or upon request).

Auction rules

You must be at least a Jr Member to bid. If you are not a Jr Member and you really want to bid, you should PM me first. Tell me in the PM what you're going to advertise. You might be required to pay some amount in advance. Everyone else: Please quickly PM newbies who try to bid here to warn them against impersonation scammers.

If you have never purchased forum ad space before, and it is not blatantly obvious what you're going to advertise, say what you're going to advertise in your first bid, or tell me in a PM.

Post your bids in this thread. Prices must be stated in BTC per slot. You must state the maximum number of slots you want. When the auction ends, the highest bidders will have their slots filled until all nine slots are filled.

So if someone bids for 9 slots @ 5 BTC and this is the highest bid, then he'll get all 9 slots. If the two highest bids are 9 slots @ 4 BTC and 1 slot @ 5 BTC, then the first person will get 8 slots and the second person will get 1 slot.

The notation "2 @ 5" means 2 slots for 5 BTC each. Not 2 slots for 5 BTC total.

- When you post a bid, the bids in your previous posts are considered to be automatically canceled. You can put multiple bids in one post, however, like "5 @ 1 and 1 @ 5".
- All bid prices must be evenly divisible by 0.01.
- The bidding starts at 0.01.
- I will end the auction at an arbitrary time. Unless I say otherwise, I typically try to end auctions within a few days of 10 days from the time of this post, but unexpected circumstances may sometimes force me to end the auction anytime between 4 and 22 days from the start. I have a small bias toward ending auctions on Fridays, Sundays, and Mondays.
- If two people bid at the same price, the person who bid first will have his slots filled first.
- Bids are considered invalid and will be ignored if they do not specify both a price and a max quantity, or if they could not possibly win any slots

If these rules are confusing, look at some of the past forum ad auctions to see how it's done.

I reserve the right to reject bids, even days after the bid is made.

Price flattening

At the end of the auction, after the winning bids are all determined, I will do a "price flattening" operation. This has no effect on which bids actually win. For each bid, in order of lowest to greatest price/slot, I will reduce each bid's price/slot to the highest value which is equal to or only the minimum increment greater than the next-lower bid. This allows you to bid higher prices without worrying so much, but you still mustn't bid more than you're willing to pay. Example:

Slots  BTC/Slot  Person
    6      0.20       A
    1      0.16       B
    1      0.08       C
    1      0.08       D

Slots  BTC/Slot  Person
    6      0.10       A [step 4: reduced to 0.09+0.01=0.10]
    1      0.09       B [step 3: reduced to 0.08+0.01=0.09]
    1      0.08       C [step 2: same as the next-lowest, unchanged]
    1      0.08       D [step 1: the lowest bid is always unchanged]

Payment, etc.

You must pay for your slots within 24 hours of receiving the payment address. Otherwise your slots may be sold to someone else, and I might even give you a negative trust rating. I will send you the payment information via forum PM from this account ("theymos", user ID 35) after announcing the auction results in this thread. You might receive false payment information from scammers pretending to be me. They might even have somewhat similar usernames. Be careful.

[1]: For the purposes of forum ads, an ICO is any token, altcoin, or other altcoin-like thing which meets any of the following criteria: it is primarily run/backed by a company; it is substantially, fundamentally centralized in either operation or coin distribution; or it is not yet possible for two unprivileged users of the system to send coins directly to each other in a P2P way. The intention here is to allow community efforts to advertise things like Litecoin, but not to allow ICO funding, even when the ICO is disguised in various ways.
[2]: A loggable mixer is a service marketed primarily for improving transaction privacy which accepts full custody of cryptocurrency for a time and has the technical ability to log where the cryptocurrency comes from and goes to (even if they promise not to log).
286  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 293 on: December 09, 2019, 06:42:09 PM
Auction ended, final result:
Slots BTC/Slot Person
2 0.11 absolutely-positioned [flattened to 0.07]
2 0.06 absolutely-positioned
1 0.05 lightlord
2 0.05 EnergiCrypto
1 0.04 Best_Change
1 0.04 lightlord
287  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 293 on: December 09, 2019, 03:44:06 AM
2 @0.06

Rejected, it looks like you're going to advertise an ICO-type-thing.

Not all slots are bid-for. The current status is:
Slots BTC/Slot Person
1 0.11 absolutely-positioned [would be flattened to 0.05]
2 0.11 EnergiCrypto [would be flattened to 0.04]
1 0.04 Best_Change [would be flattened to 0.03]
2 0.03 SlavaVendo [would be flattened to 0.02]
1 0.01 Best_Change

Note that you can bid at multiple prices, like "1 @ 0.11 & 5 @ 0.02".

The auction continues.
288  Other / Meta / Re: Why not tokenize the forum? on: December 07, 2019, 09:48:00 PM
The forum blockchain in the form of a client (like Bitcoin's client) is to be run by the forum members, and its purpose is to extend the forum into the world (as I wrote in the OP). You could do fancy things on it

Making a popular decentralized forum is a worthy goal. (Making unpopular decentralized forums has already been done...) But you should start with that goal in mind. If you start with the goal of creating some attractive new token, then you're just going to create garbage. I'm not sure that a decentralized forum would have any use for any cryptocurrency/token at all (ie. not even BTC integration), and certainly it wouldn't need a new token/coin.

A good heuristic for identifying actually-useful projects is: if it has its own token/coin, then 99% of the time it's a cash-grab which is at best a mashing-together of old tech in mildly interesting but ultimately unsustainable ways.

What comes up in my mind is a system like steemit, and it has governance problems too, just like EOS, etc. << case about DPOS

"Governance" is a red herring. If it's one-person-one-vote, then you have classic problems like rational ignorance and unjust oppression of minorities. Fiat currencies like USD are the result of democracies. If the governance is more like stock ownership, then you tend to get a pretty centralized setup where a small handful of people set the rules from the beginning of the system to the end. You can create that kind of centralized/semi-centralized system a lot more efficiently without a big blockchain system.

One of the main advantages of Bitcoin is that it is simply not governed. No majority or central authority can force any participant to do anything: each person decides for himself. In decentralized systems, this non-governance should be the ideal. Structure the system so that nobody (not even a majority) can force anyone to do anything, but so that it is still useful. This is a big challenge, far moreso than having a central authority be assigned or elected. If you have to resort to any sort of governance within the system itself, then you've failed to create a robust decentralized system.
289  Other / Meta / Re: A suggestion regarding "Multiple posts in a row" on: December 07, 2019, 07:33:36 PM
I've considered that before, but it raises several questions:
 - Although bumps every 24 hours are allowed by the unofficial rules, should they be allowed? Bump posts are worthless on their own, and their existence is really a dirty hack. The modified bumping system on some boards is a better model, but doesn't fit all boards.
 - Although "reserved" posts are allowed by the unofficial rules, do they actually serve any real purpose? I tend to think that their only legitimate purpose is to allow for future expansion past the 64k limit (which is kind of lame to begin with), and 95% of the time they end up being useless in that respect.
 - Especially when several hours separates two posts, multiposting can sometimes be the natural flow of the conversation. For example, if some news has happened since your last post, it'd be natural to make a new post rather than editing the old one.

The purposes of the unofficial rule are:
 1. Prevent excessive bumping, which is unfair to other topics.
 2. Prevent people from monopolizing pages of topics, which is unfair to other posters.
 3. Prevent padding of postcounts and similar, which is basically spam.

Quite often, a person will multipost without having any of that abuse in mind. In these cases, it causes unnecessary friction when their posts are deleted; they feel as though they are being persecuted by mods, or like someone is reporting them for this kind of "parking violation" as a way of attacking them. But we can't look inside a user's mind, so it's difficult to determine "legit multiposting" from possible abuse, and it's easy to err on the side of just deleting it and telling them to consolidate their posts. Not ideal, though.

I've been thinking that a more ideal solution would be:
 - Get rid of the unofficial rule.
 - Prevent posts within 24 hours from bumping the topic, which addresses purpose #1.
 - Prevent posts from being made when the poster has made more than 3 of the topic's last 6 posts in the last 24 hours (or something like that), addressing purpose #2.
 - Only allow one post in a thread to count toward post-counts per 24 hours, and perhaps hide/limit signatures in the excess posts as well, addressing purpose #3.
I think that the first three would be fairly easy to implement, but the last is more difficult. Also, it'd be nice to get rid of the 64k limit, but that's also difficult to implement.

The status quo is not terrible, so the matter is low on my to-do list.
290  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: December 06, 2019, 02:33:56 PM
I think this is a pretty big issue for a good deal of voting groups, and I think it's fair to say that conservative / religious groups are one of those groups of people.

But at the end of the day I think the best thing to look at is the polls here -

A lot of people will at a conscious level think, "I'm tolerant, I'd definitely vote for a gay president," but subconsciously they'll be a little uncomfortable with it, and if they're not sure who to vote for, this'll tip the scales. This subconscious effect is best captured in neighbor polling, where "your neighbors" IMO ends up being a proxy for "your community's collective subconscious":

Quote from: Politico
That gap grew even wider when voters were asked whether they thought their neighbors were ready for a gay president. About a quarter of respondents answered affirmatively, while 46 percent said their neighbors were either definitely or probably not ready for a gay president. Pluralities of both Democrats and Republicans, as well as independents, all said they did not believe that their neighbors were ready for a gay president.

This might bode poorly for him in a general election, though I doubt that a lot of people are wavering on whether to vote for Trump or not -- most people either love him or hate him --, and the LGBT thing is an effect which pushes most people only slightly. Also, any negative effect will be counterbalanced to some extent by some LGBT people being actively driven to vote for him.

Also, keep in mind that only a few states actually matter:

  29 EC votes
  Cook Political Report: Toss up LGBT per capita: 4.6% rating (higher = more pro-LGBT laws): 7/40.5
  20 EC votes
  Toss up
  LGBT per capita: 4.1%
  lgbtmap rating: 15
North Carolina
  15 EC votes
  Toss up
  LGBT per capita: 4.0%
  lgbtmap rating: 3.5
  11 EC votes
  Toss up
  LGBT per capita: 4.5%
  lgbtmap rating: 3.75
  10 EC votes
  Toss up
  LGBT per capita: 3.8%
  lgbtmap rating: 13.5
  16 EC votes
  Lean Dem
  LGBT per capita: 4.0%
  lgbtmap rating: 14.5
  10 EC votes
  Lean Dem
  LGBT per capita: 4.1%
  lgbtmap rating: 28.25
New Hampshire
  4 EC votes
  Lean Dem
  LGBT per capita: 4.7%
  lgbtmap rating: 18
Maine at large
  2 EC votes
  Lean Dem
  LGBT per capita: 4.9%
  lgbtmap rating: 27
  18 EC votes
  Lean Rep
  LGBT per capita: 4.3%
  lgbtmap rating: 1.75
  16 EC votes
  Lean Rep
  LGBT per capita: 4.5%
  lgbtmap rating: -1.5
  6 EC votes
  Lean Rep
  LGBT per capita: 3.6%
  lgbtmap rating: 14.5
Maine's 2nd
  1 EC vote
  Lean Rep
  LGBT per capita: 4.9%
  lgbtmap rating: 27
Nebraska's 2nd
  1 EC vote
  Lean Rep
  LGBT per capita: 3.8%
  lgbtmap rating: -0.5

From that initial data, maybe these states would be pushed a bit toward Trump due to the LGBT issue: North Carolina, Ohio, and Georgia? I'd like to see per-state polling on this, especially with the neighbor question.

291  Other / Politics & Society / Re: FBI Arrests Virgil Griffith, ETH Programmer, for Giving Tech Talk in DPRK🇰🇵 on: December 03, 2019, 08:43:21 PM
He might be one of those /r/LateStageCapitalism far leftists, seeing the DPRK as a lesser evil to the imperialist USA.

Maybe. The US has probably done more evil than any other country in history, so it's easy to view it as "The Evil Empire". But it's only done so much evil because it's long been by far the most powerful country. If North Korea, Iran, or China were as powerful as the US, they'd do even more evil because they are built upon more evil ideologies, and they are more authoritarian. Unless you can somehow chart a very clear path between your actions and some wider utilitarian good, IMO it's not morally justifiable to help these oppressive regimes.

I'll be interested to see what this guy has to say for himself.
292  Other / Meta / Re: The BCH value in forum wallets on: December 03, 2019, 08:26:12 PM
Never touching the forum's BTC was something I did for the forum.  Where is the BCH/BSV/BTG I should have received for the payments for my treasury services I didn't receive until months/years later?  Seems odd that the forum didn't pay me the forked coins after the fact, even though I paid them to the forum.  Did I complain?  Nope.  This is my first mention of it, perhaps to justify my "tacky" behavior.

I offered partial reserve when I was looking for treasurers. Since you offered full-reserve, the treasury agreement itself says:
After the treasurer receives the Held Amount of bitcoins, the treasurer owes the Forum the held bitcoins and must keep the entire amount safe at a particular address, never transferring them except: ...

"Held bitcoins" in the agreement is ambiguous as to what a "bitcoin" is, but due to the whole context of the agreement, and especially because of the full-reserve requirement, I claim that the most supportable interpretation is that all forkcoins (ie. coins forking from Bitcoin's block chain and calling themselves "Bitcoin") were forum property from the beginning. (I do not claim this for airdrops.)
293  Other / Meta / Re: Caption results on: December 03, 2019, 06:35:00 PM
If I recall correctly there was a page which displayed who had submitted the captions when it was running.

That was only visible to staff.
294  Other / Meta / Re: DT update log on: December 03, 2019, 06:32:13 PM
This month 124 users were eligible.

Flying Hellfish
by rallier
Lesbian Cow
Jet Cash

by rallier
Lesbian Cow
The Pharmacist
Jet Cash
295  Other / Meta / Re: 10th anniversary art contest badge voting on: December 03, 2019, 02:03:41 AM
After the two adjustments described in the OP, the results are:
128 dannybrown - bitcointalk flash game
101 Yatsan - oil paintings
99 Corrosive - corrosion art
65 Kalemder - interactive gallery & videos
61 taufik123 - madura carving

53 1Dq - intricate cityscape
48 sheenshane - cake in hand drawing
44 ZipReg - dash game
44 Darker45 - bubbles & sketches
41 terizla - "squidward's art" & doodles
41 geophphreigh - folded bolivar design
40 LoyceV - avatar collage & daughter's art
39 cryptoaddictchie - intricate sketch
37 Michail1 - nixie tubes
37 cabalism13 - bitcointalk city model
35 webtricks - bitcointalk card creator
34 Foxpup - NSFW fox
34 GreatArkansas - printout collage
34 Oasisman - bull sketch
31 goaldigger - doodles
30 Yabes - sand drawing
28 Maus0728 - Dorian portrait
27 Basorexia - pokemon cards
26 Debonaire217 - arduino house
26 sirazimuth - commemorative round
25 likehiro - moon block chain
25 rhomelmabini - superhero shadow
24 crossabdd - string art
23 Cryptocables - rocket ticker
23 Rikafip - pizza
23 DireWolfM14 - coin design
22 saiga31 - bull & pizza drawings
22 Mamaecrypto - watercolor at conference
22 Twentyonepaylots - god satoshi
22 Netto - lighter
21 sujonali1819 - dot art
21 sashapan - dress
20 Karmakid - satoshi with leaf hand
20 ADAMA_NOW - educational video
20 otto_diesel - cake
20 noorman0 - carvings
19 sedactoo+04 - BTC logo on canvas
18 ibminer - trophy & ship
18 start the art - abstract art & song
17 ecnalubma - bull/bear & various
17 summonerrk - watercolors
17 mosdesign - carved trophy
17 nomteck1 - 3D bitcointalk room
16 Altcoinlog - paintings
15 creep_o - bowling
15 rare_designer - blockchain eden
13 axicron - night cityscape
11 Laskoo - last supper caption

Congratulations to the winners!
296  Other / Meta / Re: Caption results on: December 02, 2019, 10:17:55 PM
How was the scoring done? I believe you could vote against the submissions; how was a vote against a post and/or title handled?

votePower = min(0.99, activity/1000)
            + min(10, earnedMerit)
            + max(0,min(10, earnedMerit-10)/10))
            + max(0,min(10,(earnedMerit-110)/100))
Depending on your vote type, you either:
 - Add your votePower to the post and the caption.
 - Add your votePower to the post and subtract it from the caption.
 - Subtract your votePower from the post.
297  Other / Meta / Re: The BCH value in forum wallets on: December 02, 2019, 10:01:06 PM
I think this is an interesting philosophical question of who has the right to these sorts of miscellaneous fork/airdrop values based on who owns the keys or what is contracted with the contents of the keys..

Ideally, it should be handled explicitly in the agreement, but this agreement predated the concept of forkcoins.

Hardforks are not impossible in Bitcoin, Bitcoin is not ruled by miners, and there is no objective way to determine what the true Bitcoin is.
The result of all this is that there is no "Bitcoin governance"; Bitcoin is not governed. No person or group can force their views on anyone else, and even things like the definition of a bitcoin can be subjective
Therefore, if a fork can claim with any sort of sanity that it is the true Bitcoin merely executing a hardfork, and if the agreement doesn't specify, then whoever owned the original BTC ought to own the forkcoins. Otherwise, whoever makes the choice of which Bitcoin is "real" could make the wrong choice. Airdrops that don't/can't claim to be hardforks are different, since they are much more clearly separate things that someone is giving you for doing something.

In the case of the treasury agreement: all forkcoins were always forum property from the beginning. I voluntarily gifted OgNasty the non-major forkcoins, since dealing with them would be more trouble than they're worth. The three forkcoins transferred to me were ones I specified. Airdrops are different. I don't think that OgNasty should've collected airdrops via forum BTC, but collecting and keeping airdrops was not prohibited by the agreement, and the forum has no agreement-wise claim on those coins.

I don't see it as appropriate to demand (or perhaps even accept) the airdrop proceeds. Because the agreement definitely didn't require it, demanding it now could be perceived as exploiting the political atmosphere here to shake down a counterparty.

I stand by my previous analogy:
I suppose an analogy would be a fine-art storage company selling selfies with famous artworks.
It's annoying because:
 - Not asking was unprofessional.
 - Taking a private key out of cold storage always has some amount of risk.
 - I now have to spend time on this drama.

The airdrop amount is unimportant, and I'd feel exactly the same if the airdrop amount was 100x more or 100x less. If I'd been holding the BTC, no airdrops would've been received at all, since I never participate in those.
298  Other / Meta / Caption results on: December 02, 2019, 08:27:26 PM
For the forum's 10th anniversary, forum members could submit and vote on captions for notable historical posts. Here are all of the top captions:
CaptionPost date (UTC)Post scoreCaption score
I AM HODLING2013-12-18 10:03:032215.761144.22
10,000 BTC for two Pizza's2010-05-18 00:35:202186.51805.63
Satoshi announcing the creation of this forum2009-11-22 18:04:281626.99952.88
Satoshi's lesson2019-01-03 03:51:551174.00727.98
Satoshi has no time to explain2010-07-29 02:00:381098.49364.22
Heart warming story from Hal Finney2013-03-19 20:40:021078.16718.47
Forum moved to domain2011-08-01 07:07:34855.28563.68
The infamous pizza2010-05-22 19:17:26834.79389.17
The Wall Observer Thread2013-04-16 22:32:22794.69566.23
Gavin announces he will visit the CIA2011-04-27 19:00:26793.24605.27
First Bitcoin Faucet2010-06-11 17:38:45772.33787.91
Satoshi's email gets compromised2014-09-08 21:06:34739.52577.21
Satoshi predicts Bitcoin's future transaction volume2010-02-14 15:52:23672.47638.23
Satoshi's input on Wikileaks accepting Bitcoin2010-12-11 23:39:16663.51578.40
Theymos Vs KYC2018-03-11 01:29:15635.96527.18
Satoshi explains 8 decimals. Such sense of foresight!2010-02-06 23:25:53627.87297.84
Satoshi welcomes lost coins as donations to every Bitcoin user2010-06-21 17:48:26615.82448.35
First Alternate Cryptocurrency2011-04-18 00:52:59594.10308.38
"This is not the kind of software where we can leave so many unresolved bugs that we need a tracker for them"2010-09-19 19:58:11562.83129.68
Bitcointalk trolls, dysfunction and all out flame wars. Guide to the scandals.2018-07-24 09:06:42552.89233.46
Trust system added!2013-05-21 11:23:33551.77530.82
Satoshi designs new logo and Bitcoin symbol graphic2010-02-24 21:24:23540.12474.62
Bitcointalk history of hacks and vandalism.2018-06-02 09:43:13491.45668.40
Hal Finney talks about "Bitcoin Banks"2010-12-30 01:38:40491.16436.64
First Exchange2009-12-14 14:46:37471.96229.15
C°bra: "this forum will be in the history books"2019-04-09 00:03:45465.52490.63
Satoshi admits he's a wet blanket2010-07-05 21:31:14460.80544.62
New Bitcoin Exchange ( 01:57:19458.71242.08 starts using SegWit for payments2018-03-04 04:34:54437.89474.04
Merit & new rank requirements2018-01-24 23:00:11433.8792.31
Theymos the newbie!2010-02-10 18:31:40380.60348.34
Satoshi about sidechains and BitDNS2010-12-09 22:46:50372.44285.38
Bitcointalk's Satoshi Founder 1st Post2010-12-08 20:21:49365.70226.81
Bitcoin foundation announcement2012-09-27 10:18:51365.34374.54
I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen.2011-06-05 03:50:32357.63163.14
Theymos talks about the 2013 attack on the forum2013-10-07 05:18:33348.80387.59
Bitcointalk 2018 april fools2018-04-01 05:30:16347.42446.99
First Real world transaction using bitcoin took place between NewLibertyStandard and BitcoinFX for Stamps2017-03-11 20:33:35341.23272.50
Activity feature implemented2013-06-18 20:44:42339.92220.80
World's First Bitcoin Lawsuit - Cartmell v. Bitcoinica2012-08-08 06:21:14337.34390.24
First Bitcoin Inflation Bug2010-08-15 18:08:49331.06207.94
The BTC acronym2010-02-05 01:48:53325.75348.80
Forum trustees & community council members2013-03-19 18:26:37324.03328.05
The first ever physical bitcoin.2011-05-09 13:03:33322.73225.44
@johoe return 870 BTC to the owners2014-12-10 00:57:10319.59453.22
Bitcointalk 2019 april fools2019-03-24 23:50:48314.77467.90
Initial new forum software specifications proposal2011-09-23 09:19:39313.74248.87
First Bitcoin Escrow Service2010-07-12 12:13:05294.74303.44
Forum funds will be put back into the forum2013-03-19 18:23:02287.64289.65
How Ray Dillinger, Hal Finney & Satoshi Nakamoto defined the "satoshi"2014-10-12 03:28:14284.28256.25
Bitcointalk courses proposal2018-07-06 05:12:37260.15148.01
The most iconic bitcointalk threads. History on Bitcointalk.2018-05-28 08:56:04259.70164.16
Bitcoin is not designed to be used for microtransactions2010-08-04 16:25:36251.54186.08
Bitcoin Prehistory2019-03-31 15:54:42244.87198.62
It's nice how anyone with just a CPU can compete fairly equally right now.2009-12-12 17:52:44236.97214.64
Ignore feature implemented2011-08-28 22:50:12228.26371.39
Forum donations announced2011-08-19 08:29:22220.80369.74
BTC tag implemented2012-06-20 04:19:22213.68344.42
The first ever ICO2013-07-31 18:53:54204.51211.78
The Satoshi Codebase2018-11-28 16:45:12195.54163.64
New forum software development begins2014-03-20 02:18:26188.92276.07
MtGox was run horribly, but has a major positive impact on bitcoin's early days2013-04-18 10:27:00188.68179.18
Bitcoin seasteading?2017-11-17 17:59:36187.21233.06
Bitcoin expert & developer badges added!2013-12-31 06:55:38185.30176.26
Block To The Future2010-07-29 01:16:23183.7387.75
Theymos Vs EUSSR2017-05-12 16:42:12180.03415.52
theymos uses his trolling experience from 4chan to develop a coding system2017-11-10 11:37:11171.4845.39
Grin becomes the first altcoin accepted for forum payments2019-01-17 02:36:30157.04406.30
Mining equipment scams, shams and failed deliveries.2018-07-18 10:16:34154.6085.79
Bitcointalk history of MtGox and how a Bitcointalk post caught the MtGox hacker.2018-06-03 12:44:34151.77131.88
Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker2012-06-06 01:01:50142.76106.03
The "Honeymoon hack" and the pure generosity of the BitcoinTalk Community2014-06-20 12:10:39138.1072.39
Default Trust changed (2019 edition)2019-01-09 18:03:26138.09212.66
Bitcointalk moves to Cloudflare2017-11-29 20:07:39135.52308.77
Theymos creates Bitcoin Block Explorer2010-11-10 02:33:29133.16115.25
Newbie restrictions implemented2011-06-12 19:47:18125.12288.58
Silk road and Bitcointalk. How it played a role in its rise and fall.2018-06-08 11:50:07124.4794.70
[EDU] The Rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" - IGNORE AT YOUR OWN RISK!2014-04-20 18:03:16120.78165.76
BFL subpoena2015-04-17 05:36:49119.67150.66
Forum finances (2011-2013)2014-09-13 02:00:14119.62166.66 Lost 4000 Bitcoins - Hot wallet Hack2013-11-08 18:03:54119.54200.21
Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested Smiley2011-03-01 00:26:38119.31142.13
The Bitcointalk 10 BTC Donators - where are they now ?2018-06-07 10:47:50118.40164.40
My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.2013-03-28 18:00:15117.9047.53
List of languages top gambling sites are coded in2014-09-22 20:59:54108.15137.08
Serious discussion & Ivory Tower added as an attempt to increase quality discussion2018-01-09 19:08:39107.11275.72
The Cypherpunks and Bitcoin. The years before bitcointalk.2018-05-30 02:26:57105.57139.34
[Overview] The one thread to link them all2015-10-22 07:09:59104.3186.40
The inventor of investor casinos, and dooglus just-dice had 50,000 bitcoins at the peak2013-06-25 21:46:35103.46165.21
Bitcoin anonymity2010-07-07 16:54:4498.69154.88
Altcoin - The birth of Litecoin October 20112011-10-09 06:14:2897.01169.58
Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.2014-03-03 08:37:0396.8174.72
Casascius coins announced - a simple car wash token that taught countless through physical representation2011-08-19 05:21:0096.0189.40
knightmb on bitcointalk - from 371,067.36 BTC to Mitt Romney extortion.2018-06-26 10:46:1793.82124.20
Bitcoin Savings and Trust and Pirateat40 on Bitcointalk (PONZI)2018-06-13 10:14:4493.3732.41
The Bitcointalk 50 BTC VIP club. Where are they now ? Complete list.2018-06-06 06:59:0192.90119.68
Early Blocksize Debate; 20MB blocks? (circa 2015)2015-01-30 20:47:2791.72175.05
Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.2012-03-13 19:36:5589.58113.28
[ANN Mt.Gox] Hi everyone, just a quick update on the situation and what happened2013-04-11 04:20:3787.0733.88
Historic Advertise on this forum - Round 12011-09-28 21:32:2381.82197.85
First ever physical bitcoin representation  - a segway to BitBills and Casascius2010-12-30 16:39:2677.75166.19
Deterministic wallets2011-06-18 21:27:2976.02107.01
Bitcoin Dream2019-07-07 16:12:3373.91157.48
In an alternative universe pooled mining wasn't a source of centralization2011-06-17 11:14:2272.8498.69
[overview] LoyceV's useful data on Bitcointalk2019-05-21 07:55:1072.70125.49
Bitcoiner outwits Royal Thai Navy2019-04-19 11:53:1671.0299.94
Zhoutong's absurd tall tale and why you shouldn't to business with CoinJar2012-07-26 11:55:5165.3482.27
pizza Laszlo has a few questions2010-04-14 16:57:2265.33106.13
Theymos' willingness to cooperate with police on real scams2014-12-06 18:03:4162.80116.28
Satoshi comment on BitcoinDotCom2010-03-23 15:22:4161.9861.98
Trust system undergoes 3rd change in history2015-05-20 18:23:2958.35155.74
Roger Ver (ab)using server access at to dox someone over a $50 dispute2012-12-19 10:14:1256.8588.17
[NSFW] World's First Bitcoin Tattoo2011-07-11 20:17:5456.4091.97
Gavin gives talk on Bitcoin2011-03-20 01:38:0855.9469.03
Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies on bitcointalk2018-05-30 08:31:2855.07116.67
$236 - What BS - Selling OUT today!2013-04-09 19:16:4648.84137.90
Money creation system - is bitcoin creation resistant?2019-01-07 10:15:0848.83187.45
Newbie welcome video2019-10-18 22:06:0147.2830.58
Pirate PMs to be released discussion2012-11-05 17:52:4447.0660.14
Reporters Badge2018-07-25 16:03:1845.21176.32
BFL calling "loyal" customers (from +1-866-723-3108)2013-11-05 19:55:2841.7394.04 recieves subpoena2014-12-03 02:24:5038.9992.48
She's not for sale... But her fur is! Only BTC0.01. Absolutely no cloning!2016-01-19 17:04:2937.3526.86
Blizzard DMCA takedown to Google effects Bitcointalk.org2014-05-23 01:50:3135.4233.84
Is the Earth Flat? Hint: No (some people disagree)2015-04-01 06:58:1234.16203.72
TAAA stole my Giraffe and gave me campylobacter. UNDENIABLE truth.2019-11-10 09:27:1233.9961.37
ITT we pretend its 19962013-11-15 00:21:2032.6376.33
Decentralized Bitcoin scratch off cards discussion2010-10-20 03:55:1829.9643.04
Forum admin vs Gandhi2011-09-07 05:01:2827.4280.28
Keep your role to build a decent forum.2018-09-26 21:08:3223.5464.78
2012 forum dump of posts2012-04-03 20:10:5821.7083.68
5 Resources to teach the Average Joe about Bitcoin.2019-06-21 09:02:3912.9850.23
Some useful tools for find scam / fake ICO team2018-07-02 17:47:1411.51160.32

Here are highly-rated-but-not-top-rated captions for posts already appearing above:
CaptionPost date (UTC)Post scoreCaption score
I AM HODLING2013-12-18 10:03:032215.76815.69
HODL !2013-12-18 10:03:032215.76799.37
I AM HODLING2013-12-18 10:03:032215.76693.11
I AM HODLING2013-12-18 10:03:032215.76129.12
The guy who bought pizza and payed 10,000 bitcoins!.2010-05-18 00:35:202186.51350.91
Pizza for bitcoins - 20102010-05-18 00:35:202186.51283.52
Two large 3 topping, hold the fish2010-05-18 00:35:202186.5134.62
Pizza for 10,000 bitcoins?2010-05-18 00:35:202186.5125.49
Beginning of the Bitcointalk.org2009-11-22 18:04:281626.99397.62
Welcome to the new Bitcoin forum!2009-11-22 18:04:281626.99293.41
bitcoin's 10th anniversary2019-01-03 03:51:551174.00415.28
"If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry."2010-07-29 02:00:381098.49291.70
Hal Finney And Bitcoin2013-03-19 20:40:021078.16140.67
Moving from [] to present []2011-08-01 07:07:34855.2860.52
Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion2013-04-16 22:32:22794.69162.43
Bitcoiner hangout. Price, news and banter.2013-04-16 22:32:22794.6982.88
First Altcoin: A lesson as to what happens to most altcoins2011-04-18 00:52:59594.10206.65
Bitcointalk trolls, dysfunction and all out flame wars. Guide to the scandals.2018-07-24 09:06:42552.89135.21
Default Trust: Bitcointalk's Largest Source of Drama2013-05-21 11:23:33551.77141.29
Bitcointalk history of hacks and vandalism.2018-06-02 09:43:13491.4580.47
Merit: An attempt to get Sig Spammers Under Control by Incentivizing 'good' posts2018-01-24 23:00:11433.8760.70
The most iconic bitcointalk threads. History on Bitcointalk.2018-05-28 08:56:04259.70106.64
This guy sold dog fur for 0.01 BTC2016-01-19 17:04:2937.3517.15

(It might be cool for someone to make a timeline post and/or infographic.)

Thanks to everyone who participated! If you voted in this event, you received 1 merit; if your caption appeared in the first table above, you also received 10, and if your caption appeared only in the second table above, you also received 2.
299  Other / Meta / Re: The BCH value in forum wallets on: December 01, 2019, 04:27:30 PM
Are the remaining minor fork coins still held in escrow for the forum by OGNasty?

No, after the major coins were transferred to me, ownership of any remaining forkcoins went to OgNasty.

What happened to the "dividend" from airdrops based on Bitcoin holdings?

I didn't know about that. I don't see it as a violation of the treasury agreement, but it's... a bit tacky, I guess. I suppose an analogy would be a fine-art storage company selling selfies with famous artworks.

Theymos' address with 750 BTC (19XTo6BHpPHSkW5cm183VrgEYpGjVJmQEt) was not in the airdrop, so unless theymos didn't care about (the tax and administrative complications of) ~10 BTC, he didn't know about it.

I never participate in these things. They're a series of risks & headaches for a chance at some profit.
300  Other / Politics & Society / Re: FBI Arrests Virgil Griffith, ETH Programmer, for Giving Tech Talk in DPRK🇰🇵 on: December 01, 2019, 03:01:14 AM
I could understand trying to help the people of North Korea use cryptocurrency, but an official government-run conference? That's like selling weapons to Stalin so he can more effectively starve his own people. I wonder what made him do this. Maybe he was just so eager to help people who requested his help that he didn't think too much about it. Or maybe he was in it for the money, but if so, this is one hell of a stupid way to try to make money.
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