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Thank you for spending so much time with us; your absence will be a major loss to this community.
Even though I didn't know you well, you've been around so long and contributed so much that I feel a real sense of loss, and I'm sure you've created these sorts of connections with a lot of people, far more than will reply in this topic. You'll be in my thoughts. I hope that as much as possible and for as long as possible, you are happy and healthy.
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In any case, it's completely hypocritical : look at this topic which is THE source of all this shit and it isn't even wordfiltered.  The clearnet site was seized, so there's no need to wordfilter it. What about this oneShould it be locked or I can keep going on it? As you can notice, I removed any URL, I only mention the names and it has been say we can still discuss mixers. Otherwise, in a random discussion, we can talk about a mixer but not allowed to say the name? That's fine. And you can say the names of mixers in posts, unless their name is a URL. |
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Happy new year!
I locked all of the mixer ANN threads I saw, and I put in a number of wordfilters. If I missed any threads, please use "report to moderator". Also see my previous post: Note that the timeline will be something like this:
- Sometime on Jan 1 (at an arbitrary time, not midnight), the wordfilters will be put into place, the announcement threads will be locked, and mixer-run accounts will be put into PM-only-mode. If any threads/accounts are missed after all of the other ones are affected, please report them. If new wordfilters should be added, please post in a topic in Meta about it.
- Sig-campaign (etc.) threads which appear not to be soliciting new promotion might not need to be locked at all, and wrap-up-related posts can still happen there. We don't plan on going through all of the sig-campaign threads and locking them all. But if they're continuing to generate promotion, they will be locked.
- Mixer sigs will be affected by the wordfilter on Jan 1. After a few days (ie. not immediately on Jan 1), signatures containing any of the wordfiltered URLs will be blanked. I haven't decided yet whether I'll remove old mixer avatars: if I do, it won't be for at least a few weeks after Jan 1. (New mixer avatars definitely aren't allowed.)
Generally, please only report new stuff: not old posts, remnant signatures, posts related to merely wrapping up a campaign, etc. And remember that merely talking about mixers is not banned.
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Can we use url shortener to use a referral link in our sig without any mention of mixing in our profile?
Any promotion in the signature is disallowed. url shortener
That is an unintended loophole. I edited the OP: Mixer URLs will be automatically wordfiltered out, but you can still discuss mixers otherwise. Using link-shorteners or other obfuscation techniques in order to post URLs which would otherwise be wordfiltered is not allowed. |
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Thanks to PowerGlove, who did 90% of the work on this, the much-requested 2-factor authentication feature has finally been added. You can enable it in your Account Settings, and then you have to give the code when logging in. If you don't have 2FA enabled, you have to leave the OTP field blank when logging in. If you use the forgotten-password function, then there's an option to remove the 2FA. So 2FA does not provide any protection in case of a compromised email. Make sure that your email address is secure. If you don't want to set an email address, use something like yourUserName@invalid.bitcointalk.org; don't use a random nonsense email like y@x.com, since somebody might create that domain/email. Let me know if there are any bugs. |
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Does this imply that mixer avatars have not yet been banned? And it could be worn after January 1st.
No. They're definitely not allowed after Jan 1. But I might not bother to remove old ones. |
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Note that the timeline will be something like this: - Sometime on Jan 1 (at an arbitrary time, not midnight), the wordfilters will be put into place, the announcement threads will be locked, and mixer-run accounts will be put into PM-only-mode. If any threads/accounts are missed after all of the other ones are affected, please report them. If new wordfilters should be added, please post in a topic in Meta about it. - Sig-campaign (etc.) threads which appear not to be soliciting new promotion might not need to be locked at all, and wrap-up-related posts can still happen there. We don't plan on going through all of the sig-campaign threads and locking them all. But if they're continuing to generate promotion, they will be locked. - Mixer sigs will be affected by the wordfilter on Jan 1. After a few days (ie. not immediately on Jan 1), signatures containing any of the wordfiltered URLs will be blanked. I haven't decided yet whether I'll remove old mixer avatars: if I do, it won't be for at least a few weeks after Jan 1. (New mixer avatars definitely aren't allowed.) Generally, please only report new stuff: not old posts, remnant signatures, posts related to merely wrapping up a campaign, etc. And remember that merely talking about mixers is not banned. What about a service like [banned mixer]?
Jambler is not itself a mixer, so it'll be allowed. (It's pretty borderline, though, so I might later reevaluate whether it's exploiting a loophole which should be closed.) What if a Service pops up. They take your Bitcoin and send you a Monero Private Key. It looks like an Exchange but it is not. They never call themselves a 'Mixer' nor do they seem like one at first glance. The functionality is exactly like Chip Mixer but the Currency you receive in the end is not Bitcoin but Monero instead.
That sounds to me like a mixer using Monero as part of an internal mixing system, but it's difficult to say with just a hypothetical. |
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1) Some mixers already have a Know Your Transaction (KYT) policy, will they get banned?
Yes. Is it enough to add the phrase “The mixer can collect KYC data” in the terms of use?
No. They have to be collecting KYC data from all senders. TornadoCash
I'm not familiar enough with how Tornado Cash works/worked. It meets criteria 1 and 3, but for criteria 2: - If every member of the DAO turning evil would allow it to adjust the contract and steal BTC, then it's a banned mixer. - If going to the website and using the website directly to do the mixing would allow the deposit to be stolen, then at least the website would be a banned mixer. (Perhaps the contract itself wouldn't be.) - If neither of those are true, then maybe it's more like CoinJoin than a mixer, and it shouldn't be banned. Based on vague knowledge which I have casually absorbed, I'd guess that both of the first two points above are true? theymos, what about this? Also I should point out, it should not be ban-worthy to link to a closed mixer's ANN thread. Or actually to any post in the ANN thread that is not advertising to use the mixer.
Defunct mixers' ANN-threads probably won't be locked. Non-promotionally linking to a mixer's ANN thread will be allowed, whether or not it's a defunct mixer. |
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I edited the OP to reflect the updates I posted as a draft earlier. Would it be OK to have a signature linking to a blog/article explaining what mixing is, how it works and containing URL link(s) to mixer(s)?
It'd be OK in a post. In a signature it would probably not be allowed, as it would look like "promoting a mixer". It's OK. To allow efficient communication of mixers with users for support reasons, I would propose that an "official" discussion topic about every mixer could be allowed, but without any advertising elements. And the accounts representing the mixers could have to limit themselves strictly to this "official discussion/support thread".
Sorry, but having official mixer representatives do that sort of thing is too problematic, so that won't be allowed. But a non-mixer-representative creating an "ASDFMixer discussion thread" would be OK. I believe either you ban ALL Mixers or you let them all roam free. Know Your Customer being one of the ways you separate 'good' from 'bad' Mixers opens up a way for more BAD things than good things to happen in the future. It includes and opens up ways for more of the bad guys.
Before, I didn't really understand your position on the KYC issue at all, but now I understand it a little better: You see KYC as fundamentally bad, and by "favoring" KYC services in any way, it supports the existence of "KYC-only zones", possibly diminishing "non-KYC zones". I agree that KYC is bad, it'd be better for no service to have KYC, and KYC almost entirely exists because of real and threatened violence by the state. But I still use a few KYC services, and I don't see doing so as really "supporting the KYC ecosystem". If a big company like Coinbase created a KYC mixer, I could imagine myself using it in a few limited cases. True, a KYC mixer would only have value because of the evil of state-imposed KYC requirements, but it'd still potentially be useful. (In cases where I don't want anyone to be able to link my transactions, I wouldn't consider a centralized mixer in any case, KYC or no.) I don't think that criteria 3 will really help any service very much, but if hypothetically removing criteria 3 would prevent KYC-mixers from existing anywhere on Earth, I still wouldn't do it. KYC-mixers would probably provide some value to some people. It's like: would you want to ban all patent-law lawyers just because you don't think that patents should exist (as I do)? Moreover, I prefer to ban as few things as possible, and this is something that doesn't need to be banned. I did edit criteria 3 to make it clear that I'm not endorsing KYC. |
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Wtf, what about DDoS-for-hire services being advertised here then?
I agree that DDoS services are too legally dubious (moreso even than mixers) and should not be allowed. And if a services's domain is seized, then in 99% of cases that service should not be allowed on bitcointalk.org even if it's still accessible in other ways. Those threads have all been deleted or locked, and 2 domains have been wordfiltered. If there are more threads elsewhere, please use the "report to moderator" function on them. If more things should be wordfiltered, create a new Meta topic. (None of the topics you linked had ever received any reports, which is why the matter of DDoS services was never really considered.) |
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I read all of the comments. Some people didn't like the change in policy at all, of course, but continuing with the status quo isn't going to happen. Some people found the policy too vague/subjective. Some loopholes were identified. Some people found the original policy too constraining. Taking these comments into account, I adjusted the policy to this: DRAFT - NOT CURRENT POLICY
Starting Jan 1, 2024:
- Forum accounts that are obviously run by mixers are not allowed. *
- Mixer announcement threads are not allowed. **
- Promoting mixers in signatures, avatars, and profile-bios are not allowed.
- It's not allowed for mixers to do giveaways, sponsorships, bounties, paid posts, or paid ads in posts. If a thread is for paying people to do something for a mixer, then that's also not allowed. **
- Mixer URLs will be automatically wordfiltered out, but you can still discuss mixers otherwise.
* Existing accounts will be banned from posting, but will be allowed to continue sending/receiving PMs for at least a few months so they can settle any business.
** Existing threads will be locked and archived. This would replace what's currently written in the OP, and my previous clarifications in this thread would become obsolete. What do people think about this version of the policy? Does anyone think that it's worse than the original version, and if so, why? Are there any possible improvements (which wouldn't totally undermine the whole thing)?
Will you include the feedback system for filtering words?
Probably not. I imagine the Dutch Local Authorities would not be too happy
My goal is not to act in the best interests of the state. If that was my aim, I'd probably continue to allow mixers. My goal is to put in place as few restrictions as possible while keeping risks (for bitcointalk.org and its users) at reasonable levels. Centralized mixers have qualities which make them especially risky in ways which other things do not. Because it is possible to send Alice->Bob->Charlie as two on-chain transactions, and have a service, that will batch it, and put Alice->Charlie into the final block. Is it called mixing or not?
If the middleman can steal coins, it might be a mixer. But those sorts of things usually use cryptographic techniques to prevent the third-party from actually having custody of the coins at any point. 2. In case of Lightning Network, it is possible to broadcast the old state of the channel, so yes, "it is possible for the mixer to steal property
passing through it". Even though it may be hard, it is still possible, because you have no guarantee, that the attacker is not a mining pool.
My mixer definition says to assume that zero miners are evil. Lightning is not a mixer under my definition. The goal of my definition is to include the mixers that we're all familiar with, and to ideally also cover all ways of obfuscating these types of mixers, without any false-positives. If things very unlike mixers are covered by my definition, then this may be a flaw in my definition. But in reading all of the comments here, I've so far not been convinced that my definition is flawed in either classifying too many or too few things as mixers. |
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Several people seem to be concerned that the current policy will be too disruptive/constraining. How about I make this modification to loosen it a bit: you can direct people to mixers by name (even in something like a "top 10 mixers" topic), as long as:
- You don't directly post their URLs.
- It's not a paid ad, and you're not representing a mixer.
Would this be sufficient to address the concerns?
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I would just like to see this point clarified. What is considered directing someone to a mixer?
If someone says:
"We can use a mixer to break your connection"
"There are services that mix the currencies of several users, and that way you can try to increase your privacy. Search on Google."
"Yesterday I used a very good new mixing service, different from all the others we usually use. Search for 'new btc mix' and find out."
Of the three sentences, which are found in this rule?
Of those three examples, the first and second would be OK because they don't direct people to a specific mixer. |
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I'm curious myself if there were any formal requests or warnings received
We've received no warnings or requests to change policy from law enforcement regarding mixers. It will help to know if the stand of the forum is that mixers are injurious to the public like darknet
I would prefer to allow them. I don't view using them as unethical, and I don't care about reputation. But this kind of thing is far from the core mission of bitcointalk.org, and the costs far outweigh the benefits. It wouldn't be illegal to continue allowing mixers here. That's why we're able to offer a 1-month grace period. But allowing them has become too risky/problematic, and it's only going to get worse. Imagine 5% of all active forum users being sanctioned due to being paid directly by mixers, or all participants in a big signature campaign being targets of a search warrant, or our service providers suddenly banning us due to being "associated" with mixers, etc. I think that the crypto community is near the start of a multi-year squeezing campaign against mixers; similar to the cannabis industry in the US, or Operation Choke Point, or what happened with Backpage, or the deplatforming of Parler. non-KYC exchanger converts your BTC to XMR
That's allowed unless the site is also a mixer due to eg. allowing BTC->BTC "exchanges" or advertising BTC->XMR->BTC exchanges as a way of mixing coins. Theymos, I understand this decision had to be taken to save the forum from alot of accusations in aiding fraudulent activity in the future but what next are we going to ban?
I don't anticipate the need for major new restrictions in the next couple of years, but it could indeed happen. Maybe Bitcoin will be banned in the US someday, and then I'll have to either shut down bitcointalk.org or find a way of moving it to some remaining territory of freedom in the world. That's the problem with centralized forums. I wish that more work was being done on creating decentralized, uncensorable, but also usable forums. I would love nothing more than to be able to shut down bitcointalk.org due to some decentralized solution making it obsolete. Find me a 501(c)(3) nonprofit working on this, and I'll donate to it. To be clear: not all .onion sites qualify as darknet, right?
Correct. And something can also be darknet without having a .onion. By "darket" I mean something that wouldn't be able to exist for long outside of the shadows because it's being suppressed by the state. How about old avatars? Many inactive and even banned users still have an avatar from a Bitcoin mixer. It's not a priority, but I might blank them at some point. Since that doesn't have any real links to mixers, it may be OK. Probably we'll leave it alone at the start and see how it looks after a few months. |
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Bitcointalk.org aims to allow about as much freedom as is reasonably possible. But this is not a darknet forum, and with mixers looking "grayer and grayer", it's no longer reasonably possible to allow linking to mixers. Even though "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal," a clear pattern has emerged where mixers pop up, last for a little while, and then get taken down by law enforcement once they get too big. Allowing mixers to be posted on bitcointalk.org before they seemingly-inevitably get declared illegal and seized is not sustainable. Therefore, promoting mixers will no longer be allowed, similarly to how darknet sites are already disallowed. To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.Starting Jan 1, 2024: - Forum accounts that are obviously run by mixers are not allowed. * - Mixer announcement threads are not allowed. † - Promoting mixers in signatures, avatars, and profile-bios are not allowed. - It's not allowed for mixers to do giveaways, sponsorships, bounties, paid posts, or paid ads in posts. If a thread is for paying people to do something for a mixer, then that's also not allowed. † - Mixer URLs will be automatically wordfiltered out, but you can still discuss mixers otherwise. Using link-shorteners or other obfuscation techniques in order to post URLs which would otherwise be wordfiltered is not allowed. * Existing accounts will be banned from posting, but will be allowed to continue sending/receiving PMs for at least a few months so they can settle any business.
† Existing threads will be locked and archived.You do not need to go edit/delete your past posts. Links will be automatically wordfiltered-out as of Jan 1, and nobody should be banned for old mixer-related posts. You should remove any mixer signatures/avatars/etc. soon after Jan 1, though. Definition of a mixerFor clarity, here is a detailed definition of what we mean by a "mixer". Most people know intuitively what a mixer is and don't have to read this. Something is considered a mixer if it meets all of these requirements: 1. It has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property. a. Even though you can sometimes use non-mixers to mix coins by depositing and then withdrawing, this doesn't make it a mixer because this is an incidental use of the service; the service isn't advertised as privacy-enhancing. b. If a site is not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function, such as a mixer function on a gambling website, then the whole site is considered a mixer. c. If the site takes coins, gives you a possibly-transferrable IOU, and will convert this IOU back into mixed coins much later, then the temporary conversion into a different type of property does not prevent it from being considered a mixer. d. If the site internally converts your deposit into other things as part of its mixing, but ultimately the point of the product is to get your original type of property back, then that's a mixer, not an exchanger. 2. It is possible for the mixer to steal property passing through it. Assume that the sender does everything as correctly as possible. Also assume that no miners/verifiers on the base-layer cryptocurrency are evil. But assume that every other actor involved is evil (everyone able to vote in a DAO, every coordination server, every counterparty, every member of a multisig, etc.). Ignore short-term software bugs which are expected to be quickly fixed. 3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users. (This is not an endorsement of KYC generally, or a condemnation of non-KYC services generally. Non-KYC services of other types are still allowed, and in many cases they are a good idea.) Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero. |
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Bitcointalk.org is not a darknet site. Linking to illegal services is not allowed. As mentioned in the law-enforcement press release, "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal." But a seized mixer is rather different from just any old mixer. Sinbad, if still operating, is now clearly a darknet site, and therefore not allowed on bitcointalk.org.
The OP is banned. This topic is archived. The onion address is wordfiltered, and bypassing the wordfilter will get you banned.
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Unexpectedly, Javier Milei won the presidency in Argentina. I'd been following this story because it's interesting to see a Milton-Friedman-style libertarian (or at least someone who identifies himself that way) suddenly get put in charge of an ultra-statist, pretty-screwed-up country.
I hope that he does really well and turns Argentina into a libertarian paradise where I can move someday. But I expect that it's going to be a huge disaster. Milei appears to be a bomb-thrower (like Trump or Bolsonaro) rather than a serious policy wonk, which absolutely will not help him now that he's the one in power. When he tries ending popular programs and firing government employees, people will riot. If I was him, I'd get a diverse group of really serious experts (mostly but not entirely libertarian-leaning), and see if they can come up with some sane policy changes which won't cause riots.
Any Argentinians here with an opinion? I'm not very familiar with Argentina, and I've only read a handful of articles on Milei, so my knowledge is only surface-level.
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