I believe the B in circle is a compatibility character and is deprecated. B⃝ is displayed identically and should be used instead. |
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Hippy = A fat, tie dye wearing, long haired, bearded, old, smokey, socialist.
As opposed to a hippie, I assume? |
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No -- losing color by accident (or intentional design) just means the property is lost. Just like you can "burn money" today by throwing away a private key, or sending bitcoins to a non-existent key, or any number of other ways.
Amen. It's not the algorithm's role to prohibit destruction of coloured coins, just as it's not the network's role to prohibit destruction of regular coins. |
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It's more like "taint all the money!"
Because a technology can be used negatively, does not mean it is unacceptable. Colouring satoshis has many practical and useful aspects. The benefits outweigh the negatives. |
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Another one claiming for "tainted Satoshis".
We need urgently a coin melting mining pool in order to get protected for this kind of "visionaries".
You always have the freedom to setup a coin melting mining pool, and I encourage you to do so. However, joining your pool is voluntary. Unless there is a protocol change, my proposal will still work. There is no reason for someone who owns a coloured satoshi to melt it down. That only ensures the satoshi is sent to someone who does not recognize its value. |
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I understand there's some US export embargo on a number of countries for cryptographic software. Are we talking about that?
Bitcoin isn't a US software product. It just utilizes some cryptography made in US.
The US has full embargo with Iran, so nothing (bar some very specific exceptions) can be exported to there directly. |
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Suggesting that people who aren't upgraded to the latest version of something should be discounted is really elitist. I didn't say that. His version is so old that it isn't even patched against known security vulnerabilities. It's like driving a car with known-bad brakes. It came off that way. Especially when combined with the suggested ban of old operating systems from the internet  FWIW... I am upgraded to the latest version of OS X and safari and the two character double vertical line thing looks like crap on my browser also. The lines are shifted to the right as shown by others. All of the samples on the luke-jr test page kind of look like a hacked B in one way or another. (which is what they are) The BTC conversion to the image looks good where supported and requires no mandatory support by those who don't wish to support it. It will look good and be understood on everything from a typewriter to a web browser. On a typewriter, one can write B, go back, and write the double bar. By the way, the "B-Box" looks perfect on my computer. Ubuntu 12.04. |
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 I think we are farther ahead than most other threads of this type. Thoughts? |
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What about mobile browsers? They represent a growing portion of the market, and some of these symbols don't even show up on the Galaxy S3.
Then use BTC, inline images, or webfonts. I'm not supporting usage of the proper unicode symbol, unlike Luke, but rather discontinuation of usage of the Baht symbol. |
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B⃦ sucks extra hard for being 2 chars (we invented new problems for you!) B⃦ is itself a single character, even if comprised of two codepoints. It's also the same character the forum is using a webfont to render in BTC. Using multiple codepoints for a single character is not new. How many times do you need to see posts from others saying (and even showing) that it isn't displaying for the majority of people as it does for you? Such problems are irrelevant. I'm not suggesting changing anything. Are you using UTF-16 instead of UTF-8? No, I only use UTF-8. Have you successfully rendered this symbol on a system using UTF-8? Yep, in fact I'm pretty sure these forums use UTF-8 only. Edit: Actually, looking at the source, I see the forum is choosing ISO-8859-1 encoding, which doesn't work with Unicode at all. This is likely the reason why many people are having technical problems.No, it's not. The forum encodes the text in ISO-8859-1 encoding, which is the standard for all webpages and has full support of all languages. The only deficiency in ISO-8859-1 is that unicode characters cannot be sent directly, which is not what the forum does. It, correctly, encodes all non-codepage characters with HTML entities, which is the standard method of unicode encoding today and is universally used. Your test page accomplishes even less support than this forum, because some browsers choose to ignore encodings in the HTTP header and detect it themselves. |
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The human mind is accustomed with the powers of 10 system for quick daily calculations:
- money 1 cent, $1, $1k
- distance 1mm, 1cm, 1m, 1 km
- weight 1g, 1kg, 1t
- math (1%, 100%, easy to divide, multiply, add by 10 or 100, etc.)
- human behaviour (on a scale of 1 to 10, how would rate ...)
... sorry for imperial folks :p
The common ground of all the examples above is that we can easily "visualize" and calculate values between 10-3 and 103 for things.
How is this related to Bitcoin?
The same way as Zimbabwe dollars (they had a 100 trillion dollar note) distorted the concept we have about $1k or $1mil as money, the deflationary BTC will make it harder for people to comprehend the meaning of a 0.000152 BTC transaction fee for example. When you start counting the zeros no matter in which direction, something is not right.
Assuming that BTC eventually gains in value because is a limited quantity, why use the BTC 100-10-8 range and not the 104-10-4 BTC range for what is expected to be the bulk of the transactions made.
Solution: implement a 1:100 split.
The real problem here is that splitting is impractical and not forcible. It will cause too much confusion. What we need to do is, add on as many decimal points as possible ASAP, so people can get accustomed to using whatever is the unit that creates integer values. Widespread usage of "Satoshi" as the unit for 10 n BTC is a horrible thing due to the inevitable confusion. |
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Though the Bitcoin equities world is in a bit of chaos right now regarding GLBSE, here's a bit of good news... the new site is up and running at the live test URL: http://src.satoshidice.com/rev2/I'd love any feedback! We'll put this at SatoshiDice.com in a couple days. aa17b0 bet 6346813.000 btc 23 hours ago - WIN
Right  . |
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Dree = English word (to endure)
12 = Number commonly found in European tradition
Dree12 = Combination of two random parts.
What does your username break down into?
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Is the "TC" supposed to actually be invisible? I see it as "B⃦TC"
Sounds like your browser is ignoring parts of my webfont, likely in violation of standards. Anyone know how to fix this? Ligatures would, and they would fix the copying problem too (hint, hint). |
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And I stand by my statement that my comments in this thread are not made with sexist and/or misogynistic intent, in fact I don't think anyone's comments in this thread had sexist or misogynistic implications.
Of course not. Most people in this thread don't seem to accept that "Maria" is a woman. If is hard to be misogynistic if you don't believe the target of your ridicule is a woman. I think transphobia may better describe the gender-specific comments in this thread. I will accept that maybe most people don't find "Maria" very credible. That does not fully explain why the thread turned nasty so quickly. You don't actually use the internet very much, do you? If you do, you clearly don't spend much time on forums. The fact that this is the Internet does not change the fact that there are real people behind the names, and it should not change behaviour. Being on the internet hasn't changed my behavior in this situation. I would call bullsh*t when I suspected in real life too. And when those real people want to be real people I'll treat them as such, but when they want to hide behind a fake persona that they call the truth and then make wild claims of prestige I'm going to call bullsh*t and I'm going to point out holes in their credibility. She/he asked if we knew how much BTC she/he had, I said enough that he could probably become a woman if he wanted to. There was no malicious intent in my statement, it was a statement of fact. I didn't say anything about whether I thought such decisions to be right, wrong, moral or immoral, I merely stated that it could be done if the OP chose to do so. Again, if a trans-gender person is going to take offense to the comment it is not because the comment was made with malicious intent it is because they WANT to see malicious intent in the comment. Accusing anyone of faking their gender is woefully inappropriate without evidence. Nobody here accuses anyone who claims to be a male as faking their gender, and this should be no different. |
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And I stand by my statement that my comments in this thread are not made with sexist and/or misogynistic intent, in fact I don't think anyone's comments in this thread had sexist or misogynistic implications.
Of course not. Most people in this thread don't seem to accept that "Maria" is a woman. If is hard to be misogynistic if you don't believe the target of your ridicule is a woman. I think transphobia may better describe the gender-specific comments in this thread. I will accept that maybe most people don't find "Maria" very credible. That does not fully explain why the thread turned nasty so quickly. You don't actually use the internet very much, do you? If you do, you clearly don't spend much time on forums. The fact that this is the Internet does not change the fact that there are real people behind the names, and it should not change behaviour. |
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Anyways, we generally use the Thai Baht for Bitcoins, right?
฿ <- that right there
Please, whatever the heck you use as a symbol for Bitcoin, DON'T PICK SOMETHING ALREADY IN USE FOR A CURRENCY. Such an ambiguous symbol is a horrible choice! Please come to your senses and STOP USING IT.There's no value in a consensus that's reached with brains off. Use the @ for all I care, BTC is fine, so are Unicode hacks, just not something that's asking for trouble! I'm going to put this in my sig for a bit, just to make a point. Wow! Calm down! There are many contracts done in Dollar, Peso, Brazilian real, Nicaraguan córdoba, Tongan paʻanga, Cape Verdean escudo, Portuguese escudo and none of the involved countries ever got any of the others into legal trouble about the $ sign. $ (disambiguation)Great! Let's adopt $ as the Bitcoin symbol, so we'll fit right in. |
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Websites and websites, I want bitcoin symbol in my text files, dammit! Ok, so use a working text editor/viewer... Unicode's only been around for well over a decade now. What you propose is an interesting hack, not a reliable solution. It isn't a hack, it's standard. Though, admittedly, it's a standard widely unsupported (like HTML5). |
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What an excellent example of misogyny. If this forums best examples of misogyny posts are troll posts like this then I'd say we are doing much better than I expected.
I can't speak for the poster in the other thread, but I suspect the general feeling is that a poster identifying as male would not have been treated that way. I don't think I have ever seen an odd-ball thread topic created by a poster identifying as male where the first post is "2BTC says your're a woman." The second post asks for proof that she really was mining since 2009. I doubt that a poster identifying themselves as male would face the same scrutiny. I am not trying to imply that posters identifying as female deserve a free pass. As you can tell from my posting history, I have found Maria untrustworthy ever since her " make money fast" thread. However, I have always been respectful in my criticism. This is in part because I know that the Internet has a long memory. I apologize for any involvement in criticism of Maria that was not justified based on her actions. It has not been my intent to apply sexism, but I understand how my actions could be taken as sexist. I retract any accusations I have made against Maria. |
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This is a bad idea, because the browser isn't guaranteed to copy the invisible TC.
Are you sure? The characters are "visible", but the font defines them to have zero width. Yes, I'm sure. I copied this: 100 BTCAnd got: 100 B This is only an issue when the only thing copied is the price tag, as the TC is copied properly if the selection encompasses what's after it too. Just tried it again to be sure, taking care to only copy the tag and not any whitespaces before or after. Pasted into an ANSI document. Autoresolves to BTC without a hitch. I guess it is a problem on my end then. Different computers/environments have different methods of handling these zero-width characters. |
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