obviously all these witnesses are just paid shills
everyone on CSW side dont actually believe his narrative, they are just financially motivated to play along or suffer losses/threat of losses if they dont
(as noted by that kurt twitter guy that reported on cases.. being told by CSW lawyers during the miami case to watch what he says(admitted in his video yesterday at about 30 minute are of video)

im starting to think gavin signed a contract. when deciding to retire from bitcoin to just take a payday from some muppet offering money for a nonsense thing (not realising the after effects of how big the nonsense thing would blow up) and part of that agreement is to not de-nounce it fully or speak much of the private conversations apart from the script handed to him as part of the deal.. else be penalised with a breach of contract requiring gavin to pay CSW a larger amount..


and perjury is not a crime in civil which is why craigs team can say all they like. the worse that can happen for being caught in a lie is that the judges rules in favour of hodlonaut (no prison time for lying in civil court)

if caught in a lie then the result is to just lean the case in favour of the one thats not lying..
so its upto hodlonauts team to catch CSW in his lies.

the other thing about using lawyers is that the lawyers can say anything they like. because lawyers are not giving factual testimony. they are deemed as just hearsay witnesses too.. setting up the story/narrative

its why defendants never take the stand or never talk in police interrogations and instead use their lawyers to do the speaking. because the lawyers can say literally anything and its not treated as evidence. and its upto the other side to then disprove the lawyers words just to sway judges mind in favour of the honest party about which narrative sounds more realistic to win the dispute
(in civil cases)

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CSW has always wanted to do his "proof" in a court and not using real proof. because although many people think law is about truth and justice.. civil court is about dispute resolution and finding agreement to a narrative that settles a dispute. even if the end result is not the truth. its dispute resolution not truth finding

bitcoins reward is like   salary:commission
                              new coin: fee

over the years as the salary decreases the commission becomes the more important income method

bitcoin was not designed that it would be always only 1700transactions where of those 1700 people per block making transactions they are supposed to pay more fiat over the years to subsidies miners.

the goal was to increase the transactions per block so that as bitcoin gets more popular miners subsidy(commission) increase by more people payins small reasonable amounts

EG

instead of
1700 paying $2 today and $200 in 100 years ($3,200->$320k)
but instead a progressive transaction count increase where
1700 paying $2 today and 170,000 paying $2 in 100 years ($3,200->$320k)

by this. some people have stalled/prevented this progressive growth from ~2015 using social politics and FUD about:
how they want to pretend bitcoin is not fit to grow
(limited to 1999 era tech. cant grow beyond floppy disk data)

how they falsely say anyone wanting progressive growth actually want 100mb blocks by this year

these people dont want bitcoin to grow and be used by the masses. they want bitcoin hindered to advertise other networks for their personal greed and income streams of snatching fees away from miners and into their pockets for doing no work

no
government modern fiat is pushed to be that belief because they didnt want government fiat to be backed by a real underyling thing of value.

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imagine a medium of exchange as not just a price.. but a sandwich of different amounts
- - - - - - - most willing to pay before disagreement/dis-interest
   ..          ..
..    ..    ..     price (speculative market)
         ..
- - - - - - -underlying value

the 'most' and 'underlying' are the support and resistant walls where no one wants to sell below or buy above

the price is the filling in the middle that changes depending on peoples personal desires/demands/ personal choices and barter


when the price is low its NEAR VALUE when the price is high its at a premium and over valued

bitcoins are created at a cost(mining) you cant just create bitcoin out of thin air for free. it actually costs electric and time to create bitcoin

as coins move between people where someone sells a coin. he sells it and the new buy then has their acquisition cost..

the paradigm of mining cost and acquisition costs push up the underlying value amount progressively.. which then affect the window of the speculative market above that

yes the price within the window is not fixed and is based on different peoples agreement. but that market window of possible prices.. sit WITHIN the window. which has a base underlying of value propping it up where the lowest "price" possible is non zero

he is not trying to search for his lost treasure

read between the lines.
several people have told him the hard facts about real historical events of bitcoin and (lack of)available exchanges in that era

which he has ignored(had no interest in acknowledging/accepting as truth)
he has instead doubled-trippled down that his made up narrative is the version of history he wants to follow.

his version of events do not align with reality.

bitcoin circa early 2009 was NOT:
a big community of lots of people where there were lots of "clans" of different groups doing their own private thing where they had their own private services that others didnt know of..

bitcoin circa early 2009 was:
a small community of only ~a dozen devs/geeks/coders by summer. where there were no services.exchanges. there was no big push to sell coin as there was no "value" at that point. it was more of moving coins for bug fixing and code upgrades within a small group who were the only ones that knew of it at that time.

bitcoin was not mainstream/widely known/talked about in games and social groups at that time. it was more of a geeky intriguing project. not a financial investment at that time

todays court stuff is CSW's side to talk. and it seems the narrative being set up is this(my opinion of narrative)

(im pro hodlonaut but writing what it appears the CSW side are trying to say)
from 2017 hodlonaut has had a financial incentive to remove competition from the markets by getting things like BSV delisted
where hodlonaut or people beleived to be him under different names set up challenges and campaigns to attack BSV
CSw lawyers mention

looks like CSW team now trying to set the drama of fake biography to try to turn case into a on the record biography of "proof of satoshi" using witnesses (later this week) to say they knew he invented it (facepalm)

seems he wants to use witness testimony as "proof of satoshi"

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oh and some basic law facts
in civil cases(which this case is) perjury is not a crime. perjury is usually punishable in criminal cases not civil.. which is what i feel CSW is counting on

not specifically bitcoin related. more so "crypto social community" related

but anyways..

the first space station cost $100b because once R&D(no one knew stuff decades ago about space living), all transport costs and the years of maintenance.. it soon added up

(but once you done the R&D you dont need to repeat that, you just copy and paste the physics now known over to future design)

so the physical build of the compartments is quite cheap now because what they are pretty much building is airtight submarines that can interlock together using known orbit pressure parameters

(submarines as comparable to the compartments/sections that need to fit inside say 'falcon heavy' payload)

so i imagine them doing things for just a couple million dollars per compartment
EG $1.5m: new build sub

[remove viewing dome at front and insert a door hatch, and your done(in very dumbed down simplified terms of satire]

as for artificial gravity.well thats been looked into already. its basically centrifugal force (spinning from a centre point so that objects within the area of the circle are pushed to the walls of the circumference)

where the inner wall of circle becomes "ground" and looking up from "ground" is looking towards the center

its not about belief.. (unlike the ploys you are tryign to attain)
its about hard data fact..

there was no bitcoin to even transfer late 2008
the first "log-in" website that allowed trading within the website. was not available until march 2010
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20.msg747#msg747
and

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for someone that wants to know about the history and early events of bitcoin. you are really trying too hard to ignore hard data, real events .. to only want to push your narrative that sounds like you want to pretend you knew and spoke with bitcoins creator and the first few devs of the time where you are already suggesting that they pushed/talked you into buying something that you say you didnt receive but deserve..

as evident by the hints you make in these two quotes of suggesting you are trying to get coins you pretend you are owed from a date that bitcoin was not even traded


sounds like you are stupidly setting up a empty story line of trying to suggest that they owe you thousands of coins worth of value.. (via lawsuit) using your silly social drama as "proof". using what i am presuming and pre-empting to be a lame photoshopped screenshot of a fake "trade"

you are not original..

you are very very obvious with your disregard of facts and data of actual events. wanting to not bother doing the research. wasting more then 24 hours pushing your story repeatedly saying "provide proof soon" but not just staying quiet until you can actually show proof

you are as bad as CSW

now get the hint. your story does not align to fact or data..
its not a belief its a fact. your story does not line up. so get that hint.

you are not the first to try these games

some people may try to politely hint that you might have your date mixed up and pretend to help you. but that does not mean they believe you were involved and bought bitcoin on some exchange in late 2008-early 2009..

be careful of software from newbie users that show links of websites people can get for free/cheap (not official company websites)

usually people that actually know of tax law and are accountants to ensure people can actually use the info correctly don't use these tactics.

during the luna fiasco.. we seen binance have many customers trying to get out of luna ,, and then into bitcoin.. BUT binance didnt want to approve most bitcoin withdrawals. instead they pushed people into moving their binance bitcoin "balance" through their sidechain to other exchanges like coinbase to then withdraw

this is because coinbase held the real bitcoin in custodial reserves when creating the matched pegged bitcoin on the sidechain months/years prior.. so although people moved "value" from coinbase to binance months/years ago via the sidechain. where binance had the sidechain 'value' they did not have he reciprocal custodianised reserve bitcoin of that peg

imagine if one day. coinbase just stopped supporting the side chain.. just decided one day it no longer recognises that network..
boom
people on binance are stuck with balance they can never claim back because coinbase is no longer listening to that network.

watch Kurt for examples of lying scum comedy entertainment

but look at
twitter.com/bitnorbert for more of a play by play of whats happening in the court room as it happens

kurt spent more time talking about the layout of the court room and how well groomed and dressed they were.
then spent 5 minutes talking about how hodlonauts team were mentioning the CSW past (but he worded it as if hodlonauts team were describing CSW as if csw was involved in bitcoin in 2008)

he then said "for all those not up to date with everything.."
and then went on a rhetoric of how in his bias view he feels how the history plays out where he began with the silly stuff of pretending CSW was involved/thinking up bitcoin as far back as 2005(facepalm) .. i stopped watching at this point.

its was basically a publicity video of fake biography creation.. not a court room drama play by play of what was actually being said in the court room

kurt is 100% sniffing the bvs coke
full on bsv addict and not ready to go clean
even if its harming his health and wealth to stick with bsv

he just done a youtube about today. and didnot talk about the details of the stuff said in court as a play-by-play. instead he just wanted to talk about the csw story of how he believes csw invented bitcoin

i gave up watching the video after the second time he wanted to mention the story according to csw

one more time just for the clarity

there were not cryptocurrencies until january 2009
the first bitcoin blockchain transaction between 2 people was january 12th
the recipient was Hal finney(now deceased)

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the first trade using a service was on october 12 2009
using "new liberty standard" in which the wbsite just listed daily price. and requested users to email the site owner with an order. and on agreement the site owner would give the user a paypal email to pay fiat. and the user would give the site owner a bitcoin address to receive the coins.

this first trade on 12th october was done by a well known user that set the first milestone of a "exchanged" price bitcoin trade

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the first "exchange" that had a log-in portal to allow trading within the site was not until march 2010 called the "bitcoinmarket"
..
thus.. you could not have had some log-in username and password to some bitcoin exchange in late 2008-early 2009

END OF

the judge wanted to make it clear that CSW was not to use the trial verdict as "proof of satoshi" if the verdict was to give CSW a win

its not a case of getting to prove he is..
its about hodlonaut having an opportunity to prove that hodlonauts comments are fair description of CSW (scammer and fraud)

eg
imagine i seen someone with obviously dyed ginger hair. and i insulted them
its not for them to prove they are naturally/born ginger.
nor does a verdict in their favour mean they are now biologically in their genes ginger. nor is it even about them being temporarily ginger

basically. if i know they dyed(faked) their hair to be ginger. and i called them a "fake plastic orange" .. thats fair i win

if while ginger. i said "eww your a dirty blonde" where it some how lost them their job or lost them money. then i lose.

its not about getting the person i insulted to prove they are a real ginger
nor does any verdict win/lose/draw mean it proves that person is a real born ginger

its about was my insult a fair representation of what i can see and based on available evidence what i can believe to be a informed opinion about the person i see as being a fake ginger where its evident that many already thought and know he is a fake ginger, and that calling him one is just matter of fact freedom of speach

i think a few people are knitpicking wording..

from what i have read.
the OP made a post about banks where they state 24/7 E banking(wire transfers via the website) which got confused with using physical ATM for physical cash withdrawals being limited to bank opening hours

where ATM's also limit withdrawal amounts much like banks cashier/assistants also limit peoples ability to withdraw physical cash.

however bitcoin has no limitations like these.

..
here in the UK i have seen ATM's limit withdrawal amounts and also not function 24/7 because they are machines inside the building of a bank, meaning you cant use the machine if its behind a door that only opens during business hours (same is true for some independant ATM's found in small convenience stores that only open during retail hours)

yes independent ATM's that you see randomly around town outside of buildings are different to the ones that are physically inside a building location.
but even the ones randomly located are also limited to withdrawal amounts. even if they are operational more 24/7(apart from maintenance/low cash available times)


we all think that fiat currency is "ours", where we should be allowed full access to as much as amount is supposedly "ours".. but here is the thing. it is not "ours".
yes we earn the value with our time/labour. but not the product that value is locked into. which then limits how much of the 'value' we then get
(same as not your key not your coin)

it is property of banks. it is their invention and their product, they allow us to use fiat at their discretion. they can recall bank notes, take bank notes out of circulation. change exchange rates. they can even use court orders to seize funds or lobby new laws to take balance/value/funds/cash away from us at their discretion

we, as users of fiat do not have discretion to barter with banks. they make it, they distribute it, whereby they set the terms to receive it back or hand it out.

yes we have been lulled into a sense of trust that its our money. and banks are servicing us.. but the factual truth is century ago. people put real value into banks in swaps for THEIR product(gold/silver standard promissory notes). and slowly over decades. we became complacent to use THEIR product for convenience. thus they gained control of our value until they decided to de-peg our value (gold standard de-peg) to be meaningless and then set up their own value system.

..
however

bitcoin is not a currency made by any company or entity that owns the patent/control outright. btc once in our own keypair control, then the value associated to the keys belongs to us and its our sole discretion who we hand it to and barter with.
to take all of bitcoin out of circulation is next to impossible requiring destroying all blockchain copies of hundreds of thousands of nodes simultaneously and also making mining obsolete. aswell as stopping all development from simply using a milestoned backup copy saved hidden away to restart a halted network

https://twitter.com/bitnorbert/status/1569219672754757632

https://twitter.com/bitnorbert/status/1569220917644955649

first shot aimed at CSW. perfect hit
hope it hurts CSW

yep.
the guy behind the usernames.,
"bitcoinmoses" appeared a couple years ago pretending he was satoshi or knew something about satoshi (though lacked knowledge of bitcoin)..

he then changed to an altname digitalmonk. trying to get to know some early adopters by "interviewing them" so he can sell their information and some story to mainstream media that he knew these guys personally and was associated with them in the past via any info he can glean from them..

now i think this new altname is him yet again. but this time trying to cause some social drama of saying some early adopter scammed him and owes him thousands of coins. to either sue them or just have some social drama to make a story to then try to sell the story to mainstream media.

either way. not original. many have tried this and got no where

scammers are bad enough. but idiot scammers are the worse. they dont even try to do any research to even sound plausible but want to spam up the forum with their narrative they made up, and willing to keep pushing it for months/years.

why is it that so many idiots think they can spend years pushing some social narrative that does not align to blockdata, code and reality.
(im not just talking about scammers. but other idiots that want to push some loyalty or association/friendship to some idols/influencers/early adopters/devs..  yet cant even get their story to align with hard data)

you are the one with delusions.
especially now you slipped up about having some "plans" around what to do with your hope to get a "vouched history" using social drama as proof.. of some made up trade you(didnt) do..
(and no dont be the idiot that then makes a secondary account to vouch for yourself to pretend to then make your version of history real.. .. thats not how the real world works either)


while also(in your narrative)not having access to the coins(that were never yours because your just a scammer) where you feel you are "owed" them coins now.. but without paying for them now because you want to pretend you already paid for them.. using your fake vouched history, which is not proof

you are not original.. many have tried that scheme
they got no where because they, like you.. do not understand how bitcoin works or the history of bitcoin.
i am trying to help you by saying do not waste your time

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as for your claims..
i now see more of your scheme opening up. you want to claim you bought coin from some of the important early adopters but didnt receive and now you want to sue them to get some coin..
yea your silly "just got out of law"
"trying to recover what i paid for"

we see your silly games

save yourself some time. you wont get anything or get anywhere
and no you wont even get to make some social media hyped up story to then sell about how you lost so much..

so dont try that game either

and there is it.. the typical story.. revealing the scammer after plan

to use some unknown people to vouch that you own alot of coins so you can then set up some idea/plan/agenda you have.. based on this false story narrative of you having done some trade in 2009.. (but cant get to the coin)

YAWN.. we heard these stories all before you are not original..
your game is not even as good as CSW.

sorry but thats not how bitcoin works. you did not even do the most basic of research to set up your story to even sound real or related to actual time line of events

again
YOUR STORY DOES NOT RELATES TO REALITY. no matter how much you say it
there were no bitcoin exchanges in late 2008-early 2009

the very first exchange started trading on 12th october 2009
was using "new liberty reserve"

also the first fiat-btc trade
https://twitter.com/marttimalmi/status/423455561703624704?lang=en
he sold it to "new liberty reserve" the first ever bitcoin accepting exchange service. where Martti received $5.02 via paypal as its first ever customer doing a bitcoin-fiat trade. .. setting a WELL KNOWN milestone for bitcoin

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your story does not line up to reality
heck if you bothered to do research and maybe said it was late 2009- early 2010.. we could have beleived the possibility..

but i am going to assume the reason you are deadly set in setting up a false narrative where you are 100% sure of late 2008-early 2009 is because you want to set some fake story that you knew people like satoshi/hal and played games with them (the usual silly narrative)
no amount of "can someone vouch for me" will give you any credibility..

i am guessing you want to try selling your story to the press that you are somewhat important to the history of bitcoin or know something secret about someone that is important.

sorry but your games dont work here, especially when you have not bothered to even try hard to do any research to realise how silly your sorry is

and no dont play any victim card or any violins of sympathy.
realise bitcoin blockchain has hard data. that cannot be edited. and none of it lines up with your story. so obviously its your story thats wrong not bitcoins timeline

do not waste another day repeating your story..
words dont work.
DATA does..

im guessing
your story if believed was more like this:
you talked to people in a shooter game from late 2008
after a few months(early 2009) they mentioned bitcoin.
and then months later then you got into bitcoin in late 2009 once convinced??

where maybe the website you used was not an exchange but a fiat payment site(paypal*) to pay those friends fiat and they send you their coin separately once they seen the fiat arrive in their (paypal or *other fiat payment processor)

because thats the only rational flow of events.

reason we are sceptical is for 2 reasons
1. your initial story did not line up with real events of bitcoin
2. usually someone trying to say they used, had, knew people of bitcoin pre january 2009 are usually trying to start some story of some important thing they were involved in. usually to pretend they knew satoshi
(EG thinking you played a shooter game with him)
and now want to 'out him' for a price..
or
say they lost coins of something they dont know anything about(your lack of real events) to garner donations