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5321  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GREENPEACE INTENSIFIES CAMPAIGN AGAINST BITCOIN FOLLOWING ETHEREUM'S MERGE on: September 21, 2022, 12:07:30 PM
https://www.change.org/p/no-to-riot-bitcoin-mine-in-navarro-county
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Navarro County/ Corsicana TX is looking to allow an industrial Bitcoin Mining operation to move here & use our resources.

We do NOT want this enormous burden on our already fragile infrastructure.

We do not want the noise pollution that 500,000 computers running 24-7 will produce.



atleast they admit that the problem is their "fragile infrastructure.." but Leg-endK needs to realise what that actually means..
yep power companies took peoples money for decades but didnt use that received money to strengthen the infrastructure

they should actually be campaigning to stop power companies from profiteering and actually invest the money in upgrades

rather then tell neighbours to turn off the lights because they dont like the neighbours using power a selfish person wants.

silly thing is
when one neighbours cries about how much another neighbour makes noise and uses electric and wants to tell the neighbour to turn off the lights and sit in silence... that neighbour restricted neighbour then cries about the first one who is now using electric and making more noise..  
social drama echoechamber of fighting in the suburb between neighbours rather than actually getting power companies to stop profiting off of people while not investing in supplying the services all people want

power companies want power uses to blame each other..
yep look at the fossil debate..
blame power users not the power company burning the fossil fuel


power companies knew over 50 years ago they only had 80 years of fossil reserves left in the ground.. the 2050 date of climate change is significant. because it just so happens to be when fossil fuels run out anyway..
but instead of investing in renewables in the 1980;s they instead funded the US DoD to go to war in the middle east to get at their fossil reserves. to keep fossil industry running.
instead of transitioning and upgrading to renewables. they instead started to blame citizens and people for using plastics and pumping out exhaust fumes out of their cars..
it is all finger pointing by energy produces to shift the blame to people who should fight amungst themselves for using so much and having lame excuses to then charge those users more higher prices.. while still those companies didnt invest in renewables..

normal people do not buiild power plants they pay power companies to cover costs to build power plants.. the problem .. the power companies didnt build power plants.. .. and now they want to blame people for using energy so that it becomes the tax payers burden to give government grants to power companies to be pushed into upgrading.. pfft..

leg-end is pointing his fingers at the wrong people


oh and here is the climax..

asic farms produce no greenhouse gas.. they have no chimney. they have no coal or oil on the facility. no furnace

.. now look were the greenhouse gas actually comes from when energy is produced..
yep..
power plants create greenhouse gas.. not asic farms

i can guarantee you this Leg-end
stand anywhere near a asic mining farm. your lungs will not inhale plumes of carbon
you will not be coughing due to co2 . you wont have that smell in the air of soot


your summer time barbecue of just your one household, emits more smoke than an asic farm does

so point your cries at the actual emitters.. the power stations.
you know the people you pay your bills to with the hope and dream that your electric bill is suppose to pay for your electric by that money being supposedly used to pay for costs of maintenance and upgrades of their power generation facilities. which for as long as you have lived has not been used to make your power utility source go greener.
5322  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GREENPEACE INTENSIFIES CAMPAIGN AGAINST BITCOIN FOLLOWING ETHEREUM'S MERGE on: September 21, 2022, 11:33:58 AM
1.  Too many ASIC Warehouses PoW parasites are trying to be on 1 grid.
2.  4 mining pool operators are not decentralized

What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad.  Kiss
Sad day for you.

4 pools does not mean 4 warehouses


oh and the "unknown" slice of the pie chart..
https://www.blockchain.com/charts/pools
is not a single pool called "unknown"
its many pools which blockchain.info cannot identify so just clumps the numbers together into one slice

and if you delve into the depths of data/statistics of each pool you would learn that the pool services thousands of users around the world. not one location
5323  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GREENPEACE INTENSIFIES CAMPAIGN AGAINST BITCOIN FOLLOWING ETHEREUM'S MERGE on: September 21, 2022, 10:56:13 AM
Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,

idiot thinks bitcoin causes rolling blackouts..
i think that Leg-endK things that all bitcoin miners of a pool are housed in one building like an amazon AWS server farm

sorry Leg-end. but a pool is just a data manager single server, that receives data from miners all across the world.. its a little thing called decentralisation

there are not 3-10 locations of mining. there are tens of thousands of locations

the ~1.5m-2m asics are not located in just a half dozen locations putting high pressure on a single power plant that circuit breaks every day..

get real learn something

rolling blackouts are the failure of government and power stations.. not the people that use electric and pay their bills

here's the reasons
imagine a region has a 240GW capacity and a 150 average demand

1. when they insert solar and show that they can achieve a yearly 240GW capacity
politicians say "turn off the 240GW fossil, we are good to go green"
but this 240GW capacity is not evenly spread as 10gw per hour(same hour of each day totalled for year)
its actually 30GW an hour for the 8 hours of sunlight
meaning they have problems when its not daytime as they no longer have support from fossil at the end of the day

2. with hydro (lets use same numbers)
that too is not evenly spaced out as 60GW per season..
its actually more like 120 for winter 100 for autumn and 10 each for spring and summer

3. lets take california and the colorado river.. the silly people in the energy/water market have a "magic number2 of water capacity and then allot quota's of water to go to certain counties..
the thing is the magic number is higher than the actual amount of water available. and also those at the top of the river ensure they get their quota because if they dont use it they lose it.
meaning those at the bottom dont get any. meaning the dam reservoirs do not fill thus energy production doesnt meet capacity. and in summer where there is not much rain and alot of evaporation. energy generations really slows down

this is not about blame the energy user. its about knowing the facts that for decades the utility companies have been over exaggerating their numbers to get money but not investing in expanding and staying within their capacity..

dont blame energy users.. its not their fault they pay for a service they cannot get.. blame the energy provisors who have for decades been on a mis-spending spree of their profits and not investing into meeting demand. and now the politicians want to turn off fossil fuel plants.. that mis-spending and exaggerations of capacity are beginning to show
5324  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hodlonaut Trial on: September 21, 2022, 10:36:01 AM
no judgement today, expect it in early october

other funny's to note about CSW closing statement

1. CSW happily throws his buddy Calvin ayres under the bus about doxxing hodlonaut

2. tries to suggest freedom of speech only applies if there is a session of invited debate.. where people are not free to speak unless party involved in the discussion has been invited to respond(facepalm)

if thats true then i cant say that i hate cherry flavoured pepsi as it tastes like disgusting acidy aniseed, dipped in the sweat of a homelessman
.. unless i invite a homeless man and the legal team of pepsico to this forum.. right?
nope.. i can say it and pepsico do not legally need to have a right to respond or be invited into the discussion
5325  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why is bitcoin price important? on: September 21, 2022, 09:39:21 AM
as I mentioned before, I have yet to hear any logical argument as to why bitcoin should be priced at $1,000,000 or even $250,000. people just say "it should be this price" without explaining why. yet to hear a good reason why that makes any sense. if if should be priced at $250,000 then why isn't it that price already? what is it waiting for? joe biden to print more money?

my estimations..

the biitcoin trade window based on mining costs is a window of $15k -$~90k
where no one can mine below $15k so no one wants to sell below that anywhere on planet..
and everyone and their mother can mine cheaper than $90k on the planet so why buy bitcoin for over $90k if they can get it cheaper right now via other means

so all the projections of $100k=> $250k > $1m+ are just fantasy numbers during 2022

in 2020-21 the top number was $70k and guess where the ATH peaked. yep 70k

in 2017 the top mining cost of most expensive electric and reasonable usable asic was $20k.. and yes it hit that and halted

but here is the thing.. as hashrate goes up the underlying most efficient bottom moves up because mining costs move up..
and for the top window line. obviously that goes up

right now to get to 250k the hashrate has to go up by 2.5x or electric prices (only part of the mining cost is electric) have to go up multiple times

so in short.. no not this year.. nor early next year, it will take a lot longer to go to $250k plus

as for $100k that can happen sooner, just not yet
5326  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm seriously considering starting a website to stop Greenpeace's bitcoin FUD. on: September 20, 2022, 09:00:39 PM
do some stats
dont use these numbers as these are just summaries numbers from calculations i done before

average network hashrate speed over a year=192exahash
(note i took each daily exahash and calculated the daily GW and totalled the year amount)

using a 110thash asic of 3.25kwh(last years generation asic) as base asic of calculation
=49.6TH/Y

which beat the diginomics and cambridge estimates which are stupidly saying way way higher rates at 2x-4x

based on google search
"This equalled about 0.85 pounds of CO2 emissions per kWh"
0.85lb=0.3855535kg /KWH

so 49,600,000,000KWH
= 19,123,453,600kg co2 if network was 100% fossil
= 9.56 megatonne if 50% renewable

which beat the diginomics and cambridge estimates which are stupidly saying way way higher rates at 3x-5x

obviously do more accurate math and show calculations. but it is surprising how those cambridge/diginonics sights want to display amounts that are 3-5x higher than basic math anyone can do

use stats that there are newer asics now
where 110thash @3.25kwh
=2.95kwh /100thash
there is
255thash 5.3kwh
=2.07KWH / 100thash

thus can reduce electric use by 30% per thash
5327  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will digital dollar be a threat to bitcoin? on: September 20, 2022, 08:02:28 PM
a CBDC is not going to change over night..
just like taking old design bank notes out of circulation.. for a period of time they have both forms running both accepted as legal tender and slowly when old money is handed into banks new money is handed out. and old money doesnt return to circulation

most people spend their months salary within that same month. thus it wouldnt take decades to transition just like it doesnt take decades to take old bank notes out of circulation

the UK is going to be an example of how fast old (queen face) bank notes will be taken out of circulation

other methods they could employ
initially i can see how US could offer CBDC at a good + interest rate where people can "save" CBDC and earn interest on it while "saving" old fiat will go into negative interest. if they hand in/convert their normal fiat dollar to claim new CBDC then they wont lose value. . and then after some time just take old notes out of circulation. and the transition is complete

5328  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will digital dollar be a threat to bitcoin? on: September 20, 2022, 06:10:33 PM
a CBDC is not a threat.
its underlying value is locked to its laws. such as minimum wage and its inflation rate.

EG if min wage is CBDC=1hour labour. and each year there is 5% inflation
then in 10 years that 10CBDC is equivalent to only 44 minutes of labour
this means if you can buy 4 loaves of bread today if bread was pegged at 16min labour.. you can only buy 3 loaves in a decade

bitcoins value is supported at the bottom by the lowest cost to acquire it on the planet. which due to its deflationary process increases noticeably every four years meaning after 10 year the lowest value of bitcoin will buy you more bread than the first year

a governments CBDC may feel slightly different to use than mastercard/paypal. but ultimately it ends up being the same moving government money, pay taxes and have value decline due to inflation. and yes they will still 'create' new money at a unmeasured rate of their whim

bitcoins features and utility are different to government money. used for different things and supports a different value system

think of fiat/CBDC as things to get rid of, spend as quick as you can when you get it or invest it.. and think of bitcoin as the place to put it when you want to save/invest your value and not lose it by just holding fiat/CBDC
5329  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hodlonaut Trial on: September 20, 2022, 05:49:31 PM
Legal noob question - why did this case and previous CWS cases went to court, couldn't the judge recognize them as legal trolling and dismiss them. And if the judge didn't understand the technical nuances, couldn't they ask someone who did. To me it looks like a symptom of a broken legal system, and it's clearly against the spirit of the law when a person with a strong reputation of a scammer is able to bring people who expose them to court and make them spend money on defence.

frivolous/SLAPP lawsuits are a nuisance and many jurisdictions have made processes to quash them before they even get a hearing..
(when making a claim you have to atleast show some basic evidence that something actually happened/is in dispute)
but CSW moved to a jurisdiction where SLAPP lawsuits are still heard if they meet a minimal standard.

most civil cases are not things with any big punishments(no prison for loser). they are just cases where there is a dispute between 2 parties and they want a unbiased mediator to judge on which side should fairly win.. where basically if you have the money to pay the mediator(court fees) you get your chance in court

there are silly other things like. if the opposition simply does not turn up, or doesnt want to defend themselves. the court deems that there is no defence and so the party that did turn up wins by default

yes its not the best system and yes there should be many more processes in place where it stops people making random fictitious claims..

but.. if there is evidence shown upfront where someone has insulted someone else and the claimer says they were hurt.. then it passes the most basic bar of being atleast worthy of hearing

where as if CSW said some random person defamed him but couldnt even show a real tweet of that insult. then it wont be heard.
this is why CSW is not making a court claim about satoshi. but doing the defamation claims, and then during the defamation claim, then adding in his pinches of salt to try claiming to be satoshi on record with silly non-proofs. hoping a defamation win becomes proof of satoshi win
5330  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Education Resources to learn bitcoin from scratch on: September 20, 2022, 05:26:56 PM
dumbed down very basic concept

imagine a bitcoin transaction like a bankers cheque

it lists the input UTXO(from source of the funds), the output(destination), the value(amount the destination will get) and is signed.

the signatures are special because they are unique to the transaction(cheque) using cryptography to produce a signature using a secret key of the source funds address, and signing a message of the transaction content
thus changing the destination address or amount or any detail of the transaction changes the content thus makes the signature not match.. meaning no one can edit a transaction apart from the true owner of the source funds

unlike cheques.. this transaction is given to everyone but only the destination gets the amount to spend. so its safe to give to everyone that wants to see it

there are special cheque clearing houses called mining pools. they collate lots of transactions together into batches called blocks
these blocks include an identity of the previous block of transactions. thus chaining the blocks together..  hense blockchain

the ID is an encrypted hash of the contents. so editing anything in current block or previous blocks changes the ID's which no longer match.. thus easy to spot if anyone tried to send a block with edited content..


a blockchain is the mega database that many many people have copies of which means no 1 person can delete/edit the database because everyone has it and compare which versions are correct/unedited/match the hashes and are complete. and ignore/reject any copies that dont meet the rules
.. everyone has all transactions in blocks ever made. (all cheques in batches ever made) so everyone has their own copy to reference and not rely on others
they they can all audit that all values moved correctly and everyone deserves what they got.

anyway lets get into how transactions are confirmed(cheques are cleared)
the mining pools(clearing houses). double check that all the transactions they collate are valid in their newly collated block. and the format of the block is correct to meet the rules everyone follows when they do their checks.
each pool is collting their own transaction lsit. and its a competition of the fasted pool to solve a block gets their block added to the blockchain.

so the mining pools add a reward amount that meets rules of reward amounts to that block they made to pay themselves that amount if their block is confirmed into the blockchain.
.. and then.. they create a unique ID for that block. which involves creating a header for that block that contains an merkle rood(id hash) for the transaction list plus the previous block ID and a few other things, and then hashing that block header.. which is ultimately via a couple step process hashing the block data


they work hard changing a given variables allowed to be changed(nonce/extranonce) until they have an ID that matches another rule about difficulty.. where the prefix of the ID has to have a number of zeros.(more zeros is more difficult to achieve)

which is a complicated thing to hash lots of times editing the variable to get an ID that meets this difficult to achieve prefix. but if someone gets it its considered a solved block.. they broadcast that block to everyone.. before another mining pools gets a solved block

everyone sees that it all meets the rules and they keep that block as the latest addition to the blockchain.

thus fixing it in and confirming it as valid. thus all transactions listed in the block are valid

because blocks are linked together by an id of previous block. there can only be one winning block per session(as there can only be one block linked to the previous block in the chain). meaning its a competition for the first mining pool to get a solved block and transmit it to the network before others. then once seen by the network. the mining pools use that now confirmed blocks ID as the 'previous id' hash to add into the next block collated transaction list attempt and the next session begins
..
every 2016 blocks the difficulty adjusts to meet a rule.. if 2016 blocks were made in less than 2 weeks it means they were made too fast so it becomes more diffult for the next blocks(more zeros on ID prefix)
this is so, basic math an average block is made hopefully on an average of 10minutes
..
the reward rule is that fir the first 210,00 blocks each block gets 50btc. rewarded to the block solver. and at each 210,00 block interval (average 4 years) this reward amount halves.  t the time of posting this the reward is only 6.25 as there have been several "halving" events
if you total up how many coins are rewarded and calculate it out over all halving events until no more halvings can happen down to the decimal level.. there will eventually be only ~just short of 21m btc ever made. and this rule is a hard rule no one dares ever to break. which gives bitcoin a hard rule of coins supply limit.
..
as for other security things
if anyone wanted to randomly remove a confirmed transaction from the blockchain. then the ID of that previous block wont match which means the next block wont calculate to match either. this can easily be spotted if an edit happened if someone was to send you a different blockchain list . because the ID that needed alot of work to find no longer matches the content..
this allows people to reject edited blocks easily

thus making the data secure because the data has to match the ID and vice versa. protecting the data from edits.

where by to even attempt to edit an old block you then have to do the hard work of rehashing a new id that meets the difficulty rule and then the next block to catch up or overtake the height of the blockchain everyone is following to overtake the network to try to make your version the supreme copy to follow.. which costs even more the further back you go to then edit and catch up.. thus. the more blocks back(confirmations) your transaction is the safer it is from ever being edited
at currenttime of posting it costs over $100k of just electric (and billions of hardware) to edit 1 block(confirmation) thus not worth editing it to remove a transaction of low value.
people spending pocket money mounts dont care much for 1 confirmation payment security... but for mansion amounts people wait until their transaction is 3-6 blocks deep before trusting it wont be edited out.

everyone simply follows a chain of blocks that are all valid and had enough work done on the ID's that no small guy can simple edit a block and then hash a new id.

thus everyone only follows the blocks with lots of work done,
5331  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin address linked to Bitcoin genesis address on: September 20, 2022, 03:38:51 PM
soo many fools

the list does not prove ownership of genesis address

we know genesis address has A as second letter

i can easily list genesis address amongst some other keys i make
eg "lets chose to put agenesis address as the 3rd in list(3rd letter of a new word)
and then use vanitygen for other random nonsense addresses to spell out a word: franky or blackhat"

anyone can do that..

i then convert the PUBLIC keys into numbers and then into hex and then pretend this lengthy bunch of hex came first and pretend i discovered it discovered
and after discovering it i then coverted it and found a puzzle

pretend to be surprised that it converts to a bunch or public keys. and pretend to be surprised that a genesis address is the 3rd letter of the word "franky" or black hat.. or whatever word i chosen at the start of the trick creation
..

where previous to posting a "i discovered a puzzle" forum message
i mathed the keys to create another key
and then sign a message with that final key(because i made that final key)

its not that complicated
5332  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Microstrategy purchased again 301BTC. Is this a sign? on: September 20, 2022, 02:28:47 PM
301btc is small scale

at the moment most people are still trying to get out of assets. to get fiat to spend fiat fast before everything rises in price..
once people have all they can get of lifestyle stuff long term(hoard food, upgrade TV before prices rises.prepay bills at locked in prices)
once they have bought all they can to cover them for the future goods/product price rises
then they will see they have spare income from wages there after, to then invest again because they have no need to buy goods for a while

same with businesses..
tesla sold coin in spring to then go on a supply run of materials to build cars cheap before next years material price rise.. once they have stockpiled enough material. they wont ned to buy any for a while. and then get back into investing spare cash flow from sales.

same with asic miners. once they have locked in their asic farm electric contracts for a years worth of electric MW units at low prices compared to next springs predictions.. then any income they can get they can keep

there are small signs of people being ready to have spare cash to then invest again. which can start to see more buys occurring rather than sales. . but 301btc is not quite a large trigger sign

i would say we are over the first hump of the sell-off so people can fiat spend over spring/summer.. but the re-invest stage is not quite here. as some are weary of winter needs for real world things
5333  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm seriously considering starting a website to stop Greenpeace's bitcoin FUD. on: September 20, 2022, 01:59:24 PM
Can someone give me a list of well-known bitcoin twitter accounts that people should follow? This is going to go on the website.

E.g

Michael Saylor
Hodlonaut
Andreas Antonopoulos

@bitmainofficial
@coinbase

dont think about social guys also think about the services that support bitcoin
the ones really affected by a change/regulatory push

(edited to shorten my waffle)

its not about publishing twitter names on your website for lemmings to then spam those people.. its for YOU to contact them and get THEM to sign a petition or send a letter to government

green peace is petitioning bitcoin businesses and US gov representatives to push bitcoin to be PoS
their game is not to just point fingers about "waste statistics" the fight is not to counter argue with greenpace about their statistics.. its about fighting their push to change bitcoin, we ned to fight off their invitation to change bitcoin via us needing to get businesses and gov representatives to not accept greenpeaces invitation.

having it where you have common bitcoiners go to your site just to be told to visit bitcoin celebrities about bitcoin stats..  and follow celebrities and spam celebrities with messages about "greenpece wrong".. is just a protest of social drama of an echo chamber of bitcoiners telling bitcoiners why to get angry..in a small endless circle that seems popular and trendy and viral.. but doesnt reach politicians ears/eyeballs

it goes no where politically

but if YOU contact the celebrities (when site is final) where they can easily copy a template letter or organise a lobby group and directions to push a government representative..
and then have celebrities themselves post about the action they done..  linking your site for instructions directed at gov reps

then have everyone link your site.. thats more organised than a echo chamber of a link that just sends them back to another bitcoiners twitter account just to follow/spam inside the community

..
in politics. politicians love the social drama/street protests. because while people are busy in their lil groups shouting at each other that they are angry(street protests).. those people(protesters) are not organising petitions/lobby groups to talk to politicians. so politicians can act ignorant, blank out the noise and just do what they like because they dont receive official petition/demands in their mailbox

the greatest laws didnt change due to protests.. it changes due to petitions and lobby groups
5334  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC Paraniod on: September 20, 2022, 01:28:33 PM
there are many ways to think about it. but here is one
the 12 word seed is each word=11bits (~1.37bytes)
the first 11 words are random and the 12 word is part random part checksum

basically out of 132bits seedword its 128bits of random=16bytes)

now if you were to try to save all possible variations (not saving the checksum extra bits for efficiency)
1,000keys=16kb
1000,000 keys=16mb
1,000,000,000keys=16gb
1,000,000,000,000keys=16tb

so most hard drives are less than 16TB
thus only 1 trillion keys is more then a users computer can handle (most hard drives are only 4TB)

guess how many possible keys there are
85,070,591,730,234,600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
                                                     tb   gb  mb  kb

now imagine everyone on the planet(8b pop) did have a 16TB hard drive and everone on the planet filled their hard drive with key variations using a very good random generator

do you know how many planets of equal to earth population there are before 2 people would have the same keys logged

trillions of planets
ill make it simple
85,070,591,730,234,600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
how much 1 person can store
how much all people of planet can store
how many planets of people are needed
       
..
that said
if people personally choose their key. EG used phrases of popular words. then the odds are that someone else might have randomly decided their favourite phrase/quote is the same as someone else.. because phrases are trendy and many good phrases stick in peoples heads and so more chance of collisions

so dont use brain wallets asking you to type in a phrase of bunch of words you can easily remember.. rely on good random generators

yes 12 word seeds are only ultimately 128bit security of obscene amount of variations.. but yes obscene amount of variations of 128bit are more then enough



5335  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm seriously considering starting a website to stop Greenpeace's bitcoin FUD. on: September 20, 2022, 12:40:15 PM
have template letters so people can copy and paste reasons why their local representative should support bitcoin and the PoW industry

EG a page where people can pick their favoured state, and it shows the representatives at county, state  level, of both congress and senate so they can easily email them

have atleast 5 template letters to let people have a choice of reason.
such as
*explaining the security of PoW vs PoS.
*the value concept of the hard work giving store of value to bitcoin unlike (zero-bottom) pos currencies that are 99.95% speculative
*how PoW funds power plants excess which allows more renewable expansion quicker
*how bitcoin creates jobs
*inspires businesses and new technology

maybe open a github so people can add website suggestions or edit letters/petition wording into a final draft which you cnan then grab all the idea's from to insert into your site

That's actually a really good idea. People are not known for writing their own template letters anyway.

I'll save the petition for when the mailing list grows large enough, if it's still needed then.

at the moment the greenpeace stuff is just social distraction..
its a finger point exercise to have any gov decision pointing to blame greenpeace as the instigators. but its actually the gov that are going to make changes that can affect things

things to look at are the actual gov agencies bills and drafts.
everything from the SEC wanting to move crypto regs into the realm of CFTC this month. and how the EPA and the FERC alongside CFTC can then get their fingers into controlling things.

CFTC can change what policies exchanges have to follow.. EPA and FERC can affect miners. and combined these can influence another NY agreement of economic nodes and miners to push for a mandated fork which miners/economic nodes then forced to follow, which then users follow..

which while under SEC the SEC can only deal with the financial currency side.

EG CFTC can and does regulate wheat/beef markets and help with EPA push quota's on farmers to limit food production. and EPA limits what energy, water, fertiliser and waste control farmers have to obide by.. which SEC cant do.
so research into the gov movements more than Greenpeace movements. learn the real attackers to then formulate letters that prevent these.. rather than cries about greenpeace.. in short be a few steps ahead to know the consequences of greenpeace to then aim at preventing the consequences before they manifest
5336  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Regulations on proof of work might be coming on: September 20, 2022, 12:15:25 PM
PoS is weak security.

Funny, the US Office of Science and Technology list Proof of Stake as Secure.
Maybe they are smarter than you franky1, because weak was left out.

They also recommended PoW be eliminated. (1 executive order is all it takes.)

All those smart people, and they have a totally different viewpoint , imagine that.  

when staked coin is hoarded by 3 top exchanges.. those exchanges are not just the mining pool.. but also the economic nodes of deciding what forks to follow for their trading market order books. and the vault holders of general users wealth

take bitcoin. if an exchange wanted to only service BCH instead of BTC. that has influence on users of what chain people should use to move value to convert to fiat.
but if the miners are supporting a different chain. then thats a separate feature of the network security of how easy it is to 51% attack or chain re-org. and also the cost of mining that influences the price..
and then normal users of consensus have to ask themselves what chain they want to use.. thus a 3rd aspect of decentralised security against a sudden change of blockchain rules/utility


but.. with PoS where the exchanges are
the market orderbook service influencers of value swap..
the price discovery
the miners whose cost brings a low store of value
the miners who decide on forks/utiltiy protection
and users life savings holder.

thats at risk if users oppose their vault owner(exchange) decisions

thats a central point of multiple hits for users that oppose an exchanges decision. yep if users oppose exchanges.. the users lose their own stake.. dont have access to exchanges to then trade,,  thus users automatically would just follow the whim of exchanges no matter what. thus no choice.. just a 1 central point meaning exchanges can do as they like and everyone follows

5337  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Class Conspiracy in Bitcoin Adoption on: September 20, 2022, 11:58:31 AM
6 days ago, china courts rules that cryptocurrency will not be recognised as legal tender (money) but will be allowed to be traded/used as a virtual asset

thus china will start getting crypt friendly again
https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/15/china_crypto_asset_trading_case/
https://finbold.com/chinese-court-approves-crypto-trading-but-not-its-use-as-a-cash-substitute/

china and india are in the same boat now.. they recognise crypto as an asset people can trade, but dont want to see it as a common medium exchange used as legal tender for goods and services in local retail stores
yes in china people are allowed to own/hold/store bitcoin. and now trade it.
just cant spend it in local stores as if its the yuan
5338  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hodlonaut Trial on: September 20, 2022, 11:33:14 AM
Looks like the trial is finished for today, and will be back on Wednesday. I'm not sure what is happening tomorrow.

I'm not good at deciphering lawyer-speak. Does this mean Hodlonaut is winning or not?

if a ceramic pot was smashed a years ago, then stepped on hundreds of times over years until its dust.. you cant then blame person number 20,000 who has annoyed you for repeating the pot is damaged, for said damage

hodlenaut comments were not just personal lies hodlonaut made up to harm someone. his thoughts are based on information that the community already knew and he simply ensured other people new it too, to save newbie people falling for scams.... hodlonaut did not create anything damaging. thus didnt cause any damage that didnt already exist

though CSW doesnt care win or lose.. its not the game he is ultimately playing..
for hodlonaut the case is going hodlonaut way

though CSW says he wants to use future courts as proof of identity..
to  prove he has a credible reputation worth protecting.. ..
not proving it means he has no credible reputation NOW ... thus nothing to protect or get damaged

 defamation/insults/call outs that already occured are not about maybe one day someone will prove something.. its about what information is and was available now and in the past to support someone opinion now and in the past...
and how real/factual/credible that info is to prove/disprove identity and create a reputation(good or bad) that needs protecting(of/from) when the insults occured.
yet there is enough proof of the bad non existant rep. that the stuff pretending to be of good rep has been debunked, proved as lies and shown as forgeries and counterfeit. thus the fails of CSW past is a good enough reason to call him out on his failures.

his reputation has been pre-damaged for decades, he has been sued by former employers, colleges have discredited his involvement, old investors in his "it security" scams have discredited him, Australian tax office have called him out on his crap..

thus general opinion of the community has been that CSW was already a sham/fake/con artist. far longer than hodleonauts comments.
5339  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Regulations on proof of work might be coming on: September 20, 2022, 10:56:35 AM
PoS is weak security.
it has a very low cost of security thus cheap to attack. its only saviour is that PoS coins were so lacking of utility no one cared to attack it.
however for major coins. people will attack it.
(watch this space for people trying attack Eth now)

those supporting PoS are the types that dont want to put work/effort into the security. they dont even care about longevity of a coin. they just want a zero work effort passive automated income.
they dont realise that ETH for instance dropped its store of value from$900 underlying support to under $40, and soon thats going to become under $4 support. thus all the market price becomes is 99.95% speculative with a low near zero value support

thus millions of people getting 0.0000x eth passively for no work. will soon realise that the small decimal is worth 99.95% less than it was this year

thus their dream of easy riches soon fade away where they then have another reason to cry and try to want to change ETH again to try to get rich quick for free

PoW is about work effort which gets rewarded. and the funding and competition actually helps make bitcoin more secure aswell as funds power plant companies excess which gives them more income to then invest in upgrading more power plants sooner.

PoS does none of that. its about pretending poor lazy people can passive income for free to get into riches.. which never works out and leaves the network vulnerable to attack
5340  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm seriously considering starting a website to stop Greenpeace's bitcoin FUD. on: September 20, 2022, 10:33:46 AM
aswell as asking this community to rally via this topic and your twitter followers. also build up a list of contacts of:
mining pool operators
large asic farms
devs
merchants
celebrities, etc
.. that support bitcoin
 
dont assume the low amount of people that read this topic or your twitter followers will just spam your link to eventually reach the big guys.

dont spam them while the page is evolving.
most people once they have read it.. they dont go back to a site or if they get spammed the link in a couple months later, they assume its the same as last time and dont return.

so first round needs to have an important message and task for them to get involved in rather than a "coming soon" or a TBA of a task that you want people to do later

as for a petition, yes that is something onpoint that makes it worthy of getting involved rather than just spreading social drama between people of finger pointing who to get angry at but has no end purpose

with a petition dont just say "ignore bills that hurt bitcoin" . be precise, informative, matter of fact, actually get to the point.

explain how PoW is a proof that hard work is involved and its a security and value feature. that it actually protects the network unlike other networks that can be attacked at no cost.
show that unlike gold that literally rips the ground open and destroys forests and green land. bitcoin does not touch land. doesnt devastate nature.

add details that miners should be welcomed to renewable regions, not pushed out of the country. the income power plants can get from their excess can further fund more renewable upgrades

etc etc

we would rather see states trying to bid for mining to enter the area much like states bidding to get amazon warehouses to set up in their area's..rather than being pushed out of the country


have template letters so people can copy and paste reasons why their local representative should support bitcoin and the PoW industry

EG a page where people can pick their favoured state, and it shows the representatives at county, state  level, of both congress and senate so they can easily email them

have atleast 5 template letters to let people have a choice of reason.
such as
*explaining the security of PoW vs PoS.
*the value concept of the hard work giving store of value to bitcoin unlike (zero-bottom) pos currencies that are 99.95% speculative
*how PoW funds power plants excess which allows more renewable expansion quicker
*how bitcoin creates jobs
*inspires businesses and new technology

maybe open a github so people can add website suggestions or edit letters/petition wording into a final draft which you can then grab all the idea's from to insert into your site
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