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5061  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Roger Ver causes another dump on: April 13, 2017, 05:50:45 PM
real funny part is if you look at the markets.. they are being moved by $1 increments. using only a couple btc or less



Gdax
going from the bottom up
0.13btc moved price from $1158->$1159
5.293btc moved price from $1159->$1160
2.386btc moved price from $1160->$1159
63.857btc moved price from $1159->$1160
10.325btc moved price from $1160->$1161
0.02btc moved price from $1161->$1160
2.433btc moved price from $1160->$1161
2btc moved price from $1161->$1160
2.551btc moved price from $1160->$1159
16.67btc moved price from $1159->$1160
1.4btc moved price from $1160->$1159

the real reason the price is volitile is because it does not take much to move the market price

5.85 btc = $1


bitfinex
5.85 btc =  $1
0.5 btc =  $1
0.067 btc =  $1
0.1 btc =  $1
0.829 btc =  $1
0.249 btc =  $1
0.170 btc =  $1

and so on
5062  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Roger Ver causes another dump on: April 13, 2017, 04:11:30 PM
when the blockstreamists are watching the fiat price every minute and panicking over every up and down movement. you start to see they only care about fiat.

maybe its time they go read the genesis block and really understand the purpose of bitcoin,

prices move up and down all the time.

all i see is the blockstreamists watch fiat prices.
when it goes down. they then go searching for anything they can find to turn the reason for it into some fud story
when it goes up. they then go searching for anything they can find to turn the reason for it into some fud glory

trying hard to create a narrative
5063  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 13, 2017, 10:14:14 AM
many people have a bitcoin-core node but have set the consensus.h much higher than 1mb. they just dont advertise it to avoid DDoS by your clan
many people running bitcoin-core are not actually advocating for segwit.
Both statements are a lie since there is no way to back that up with data.

LOL
no way to back it up ??
LOL

have you seen how many people have grabbed the core code and made their own client after doing their own tweaks that are not actually part of 'core'

there are 8 'branches' (versions of core)
there are 7857 forks (people taking the code so they can do their own tweaks away from cores repo)

think about that logically
5064  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who Wants Jihan Wu's Head on a Platter? on: April 13, 2017, 08:25:10 AM
It appears Jihan Wu has soldiers trying to control PR damage.

when time itself proves he did not make asics purely to attack segwit
when maths shows he is not even 20% luckier
when logic shows the same

all that is left is that segwit is not the utopian codebase made by immortal gods, but humans who thought they could slide in a tier network via a backdoor to avoid community consensus, and last month a flaw in that has been found.

the only direction the fingers should be pointing is back at the devs to re-try something a little different the community will accept

think logically. practically and rationally.
5065  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who Wants Jihan Wu's Head on a Platter? on: April 13, 2017, 02:26:16 AM
I don't know if I have enough information to really have an informed opinion on the guy, but from my understanding the guy is scummy and I don't have any support for him at this time. That is, again, just based off of what I've heard about him through the forum essentially.

Doesn't really surprise me that he has such a large mining share, seems almost expect at this point.

Can someone fill me in as to how long he's been in the mining scene? If it's been a long time then I can't say I'm all that surprised.

he has been involved in mining ASIC hardware since early 2013, and started selling them to ANYONE by about october 2013
by being involved so long actually debunks the fake drama of asics being made purely to attack segwit.
especially since segwits public release was october 2016
5066  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who Wants Jihan Wu's Head on a Platter? on: April 13, 2017, 02:15:59 AM
Again this 2 paid guys talking trashh. Just shut up bug supporters.

lol refute the content, which i know you cant.

secondly.
you calling me a "bug" guy is just revealing your repeating words from other people by using such scripted buzzwords.
same as people trying to pigeon hole me in what ever other decentralised implementation was last year and year before.
its funny how that script keep repeating itself

thirdly
if you think the debate is just BU vs core then you really have been fooled by your reddit scripts.
(hint there are over a dozen different /brands).

the debate is more about blockstream centralisation vs bitcoin network.
where by if you defend blockstream more then bitcoin network (of many implementations) you are revealing more about your own rhetoric that you want blockstream centralisation

where by if you defend blockstream more then bitcoin network (of many implementations) by thinking only core should exist and only because you love the devs of blockstream (P wille, gmax, luke Jr etc) again you are revealing more about your own rhetoric that you want blockstream centralisation

however if you wak up and realise that the bitcoin network can and should run for centuries and realis that blockstreams dev team will move on in a couple years to hyperledger or retire (yep human coders are temporary)
you will see ass kissing devs, and kissing their ass over such a temporary half gesture.. rather than thinking long term about the bitcoin network as a whole.. will be your own failing
5067  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who Wants Jihan Wu's Head on a Platter? on: April 13, 2017, 01:58:34 AM
when the ASIC boost drama first got publicised by gmaxwells tears of woe
i done some maths on the top 4 pools to see which pools were 'luckier' than others

just done some quick maths


* stats at time of post

hmm
looks like BTCC and F2pool are the ones making more blocks than their hash %
not the other way round

*for those wishing to question the numbers


i have checked other dates and seen no 20% advantage
even today there is only~ +-1% variance of luck
5068  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who Wants Jihan Wu's Head on a Platter? on: April 13, 2017, 01:45:01 AM
Of course, legally he is allowed to use it, there are no laws against it. He is using it, and not passing the gains to the miners.

" The assertion is that Bitmain is not only blocking a technical solution favored by the Core developers (through its support of alternative development teams), but doing so because it would enhance its profitability at the expense of users." http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-new-controversy-asicboost-allegations-explained/


AsicBoost cause the network problems.

lol remove illogic of time travel and all your left with is the logic of:
asicboost existed before segwit
segwits 'going soft' with 2merkle method hit a snag


solution do a proper node+pool CONSENSUS with extra added features like dynamics. then the community will be united and no snag
5069  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 13, 2017, 01:29:44 AM
Amazing and I thought the Trump drama was deep.   Maybe the best thing would be for BIP148 to be activated with too little mining power to pull it off.   Let them rot with with their own worthless chain.  

What I don't understand is why blockstream is so bullheaded.   They could easily provide a block size increase and still get their lightning network.  Yea it wouldn't be worth as much up front but it would be better than getting nothing.  

blockstream removed many onchain fee control mechanisms..
- removed priority formulae
- removed reactive fee estimation (so fee's dont instantly drop in low demand)
- added average fee (so fee's stay up even in low demand)

funny how coders remove code rules and instead just scream "just pay more"

all so onchain fee's are now ~$0.80(160sat/b on average tx of 400byte) instead of $0.04(average fee a year+ ago)
so that when they control the LN DNS seed to grab fee's they can charge anything from 0.01-0.75(per route through them) and people will still think its "cheaper" than normal onchan transactions

so imagine $0.07 LN fee for 1m people a day - repay $70m in 3 years
so imagine $0.035 LN fee for 2m people a day - repay $70m in 3 years

so imagine $0.07 LN fee for 10m people a day - repay $70m in 4 months
so imagine $0.035 LN fee for 20m people a day - repay $70m in 4 months
5070  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who Wants Jihan Wu's Head on a Platter? on: April 13, 2017, 01:19:45 AM
There is proof that He is still using AsicBoost. Jihan Wu, in my and many others' opinions, is a dirt ball.

or you just cant accept that blockstream dev's have flaws, and are human.. rather than gods
5071  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who Wants Jihan Wu's Head on a Platter? on: April 13, 2017, 01:04:31 AM
asic boost existed before segwit

if you think asics are attacking blockstream then time travel must be possible.

yet, using logic
gmax one month ago realised his 'going soft' approach was not as compatible with the network as he thought. but instead of re-coding segwit to fit around the network he wants his flock to point fingers at the pools and blame them for why segwit will have issues being accepted.

funny part is, gmax and his flock actually proposed to 'go soft' purely to avoid users consensus. as a way to escape anyone sayin no.. but now gmax has found the code for going soft is his own downfall

if only gmax actually done a proper 1merkle full node+pool consensus and using that oppertunity to include dynamics aswell.. alot of time, delay and debate could have been avoided
5072  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 13, 2017, 12:49:16 AM
Thats exactly what BU is doing too. There is no activation code or threshold for BU. There is a suggested threshold of 75%, but that is not final and the current implementation has no activation code, so everyone will need to upgrade when that code is released. BU miners signalling is pretty much the same as the current uasf uacomment crap.

lol
all nodes that are ok with dynamics and REAL mainblock growth have the code there already. (my node has variable limit right now. i can change it at runtime and not need to download anything later)

no need to download a new implementation later for those that are already dynamic ready.. no need to play around with resyncing no need to change the network topology no need to get people to move to different keypairs.

its a simple. if there is a safe majority to not cause much fuss of orphans or node drop off.. pools just make bigger blocks. right at the point its safe to.

yet those wanting segwit WILL need to download something AFTER activation, ven if they have v0.14 they will still need to be spoonfed another version if segwit activates

blockstream made many foolish statements
"its ok sheep you dont need to upgrade, be happy to live in the cesspit"
"its ok everything is compatible if you accept the fact you become reliant on a tier network"
"when activated everything is fixed and utopia for everyone"
5073  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 13, 2017, 12:35:37 AM
do you even know what core is?

core is 2 things.

1) master of bitcoin
2) slave of blockstream

 Cheesy

What!?!  I just looked at the blockstream site.  Most or all of the "core" devs seemed to be employed by blockstream.   Wow!   Huge blatant conflict of interest.   I'm even more out of touch than I realized.   I didn't realize that Bitcoin was being hijacked.    

look deeper down the rabbit hole about the new drama of segwit getting into litecoin
names to look out for
charlie lee - litecoin master.. employed by coinbase
bobby lee BTCC pool (charlies brother)

now check out
http://dcg.co/portfolio/#b
blockstream
BTCC
http://dcg.co/portfolio/#c
coinbase

even another drama event of bcoin made by purse..
http://dcg.co/portfolio/#p
purse

all the segwit news buzz
http://dcg.co/portfolio/#c
coindesk

the 'economic majority in favour of segwit'
http://dcg.co/portfolio they are all under the dcg VC list.

yep blockstream are IN DEBT to a tune of $70m+ and they are really needing segwit to be pushed to get controlling interest in bitcoin so that the debts can be repaid via trading and LN hub fee's (how else do you think blockstream will relay the "loan")

then ask yourself with segwits release in october. BTCC was first to jump on the band wagon without even giving themselves a couple weeks to even review the code. they jumped in full on instantly. and are now pushing the same for litecoin.

and let us not forget the unpaid spell check interns hoping to kiss ass by being blockstream loyal, for the dream of getting a blockstream job.. funny part is they think its a $70m pocket of money ready to hand out. reality is blockstream are in DEBT to a tune of $70m if they cant get control

and lastly.
if you think that novembr 2017 would be a give up and try somhing different and accept no mean no if not activated by then. pfft.
blockstream will just ignore the pool/user abstaining and just cause another year of delays and doing nothing more then re-pushing segwit as it all the way upto the end of 2018
so dont expect the drama to end this year
http://www.uasf.co/
Quote
Can BIP148 be cancelled?

Yes. In the event that the economic majority does not support BIP148, users should remove software that enforces BIP148. A flag day activation for SegWit would be the next logical steps and require coordination of the community, most likely towards the end of 2018.

please note all links and quotes are pulled from the sources of blockstream/DCG. they are not random opinions from unknown reddit script writers or just propaganda wrote by random people
5074  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 13, 2017, 12:16:31 AM
UASF is just any random node throwing a comment into the useragent but still waiting for weeks after 'activation' to actually get an implementation that does anything more than the tier network.
Wrong. You don't even understand it, yet you are attempting to spread "knowledge" to others. Roll Eyes

lol i know your cencentration span is only 2 paragraphs. but please try reading more.

here.. even from the docs of your overlord
http://www.uasf.co/
Quote
A new “SegWit UASF” deployment would require all nodes to upgrade again which will take considerable time. For this reason, the shortened route to SegWit activation is to require blocks to signal for SegWit activation.

translation. instead of waiting for nodes to upgrade, they just need to signal desire (hence: UASF is just any random node throwing a comment)

Quote
BIP148 was created to avoid having to force most users to upgrade their software. BIP148 is designed to motivate miners to signal for SegWit so that it is activated in a way that even users who are not running BIP148 will get the benefits
again. its about just signalling by any random implementation throwing a comment.

the real end user ability to actually move funds to segwit keys and disarm themselves will come later. weeks/month after 'activation'
https://bitcoincore.org/en/segwit_wallet_dev/
Quote
Upgrade Safety
    End users MUST NOT be allowed to generate any P2SH-P2WPKH or other segwit addresses before segwit is fully activated on the network. Before activation, using P2SH-P2WPKH or other segwit addresses may lead to permanent fund loss
    Similarly, change MUST NOT be sent to a segwit output before activation
    Activation of segwit is defined by BIP9. After 15 Nov 2016 and before 15 Nov 2017 UTC, if in a full retarget cycle at least 1916 out of 2016 blocks is signaling readiness, segwit will be activated in the retarget cycle after the next one
    If a wallet does not have the ability to follow the BIP9 signal, the upgraded version should not be released to end users until it is activated
https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/10/27/segwit-upgrade-guide/
Quote
The wallet provided with Bitcoin Core 0.13.1 will continue to only generate non-segwit P2PKH addresses for receiving payment by default. Later releases are expected to allow users to choose to receive payments to segwit addresses.



Stop subversively promoting BU. If you care about decentralization, you'd be running away from BU not towards it.

by thinking its just core vs BU. shows your lack of understanding of BITCOIN NETWORK

things you dont realise.
many people have a bitcoin-core node but have set the consensus.h much higher than 1mb. they just dont advertise it to avoid DDoS by your clan
many people running bitcoin-core are not actually advocating for segwit.
5075  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 12, 2017, 11:24:48 PM
Franky,  I wonder if you're worrying about the wrong thing.  Either segwit is going to be used fully
by the network or its not.

sgwit is not a yes or no. the activation is meaningless in relation to the "fixes"
the activation just changes who's ontop as a seeder(upstream filter) and who's a leacher(downstream cesspit, not full node) while actually opening up more attack vectors.

the end user 'benefit' / functionality gesture of segwit is about the keypair utility, but even this does not 'fix' things at a whole network level. it only affects those who voluntarily disarm themselves
if you think that the 46m outputs of native keys will all happily be segwit outputs magically without causing issues .. then please run some scenarios

I'm much more interested about tier network implications for the LN and how we can
create decentralized routing.
segwit is not really about LN. (its just 'sold' as needed as one of many last ditch plea's to get their way)
anyone at any time can set up a multisig and then have many ways to communicate to another person to agree on who owes who what

ive been doing it for a couple years. even escrows have been doing it for a couple years.

my fear of LN is more about who controls the DNS seed as i can see a few attack vectors/control issues with it.
my fear of LN is more about who controls hubs and how blackmail and CSV(real world chargeback) as i can see a few attack vectors/control issues with it.

yes LN has a place in the bitcoin eco system as a voluntary side service for the niche users that need it (day traders/gamblers/faucets) but should not be treated as the end goal of bitcoin solutions because even LN has limits
5076  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 12, 2017, 11:13:54 PM
UASF is the market deciding that it wants to upgrade.

UASF is just any random node throwing a comment into the useragent but still waiting for weeks after 'activation' to actually get an implementation that does anything more than the tier network.

where as using the implementations that have dynamics actually start allowing blocks over1mb to be built without needing to be spoonfed yet another release download.
where everyone thats part of the network are all on the same level playing field of a peer network, not tier network

(understand the difference between peer and tier)
 learn the consequences of the tier network, the dilution of full nodes that are not equally syncable to each other, where the downstream cesspit of prunned, stripped, nodes that cant sync and become RELIANT on upstream nodes.
think about it (using the bitcoin network hat, not the blockstream defender hat)

peer networks is where people dont need to move funds to new keypairs and everyone can benefit from real extra space even using native keys and everyone is equal full node.

5077  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 12, 2017, 09:30:57 PM
lauda the activation of segwit itself is meaningless..
if segwit is so 'compatible' then why even need deadlines, threats. bribes ans blackmails.. they could just turn it on right now, right.. because 'its fully compatible' -as they say

but segwit activation does not give the bitcoin network any positives..

what it does do. is for the people who have a segwit node (under100%) who THEN...
wait around for weeks.. and then later download yet another spoon fed implementation just to get the real segwit wallet functionality
and then. of those that download they future release voluntarily move funds to segwit keypairs WEEKS - MONTHS after activation(even lower amount of people).. disarm themselves from performing quadratics, malleation, etc.

but this is where your not comprehending BITCOIN as a whole network.

- does it eradicate malleability (emphasis: for the network).. no
- does it eradicate quadratics (emphasis: for the network).. no, infact it makes things worse (4ktxsigop becomes 16ktxsigops)
- does it ensure all full nodes are full nodes (emphasis: for the network).. no, infact it makes things worse

you live in the dream world of an only blockstream/DCG existance, you can only see the world from the point of view where only blockstream/DCG software is rnning

forget about defending blockstream/DCG,
when you come to this forum.. try real hard to look in the mirror and ask yourself what hat your wearing.. and if the answer is the blockstream/DCG defense cap.. then dont reply to any posts.

stop defending them as kings of the utopian castle. and realise that bitcoin is beyond your kings.

anyway.
back to the question at hand.
would you blame and call ATI an attacker for using openCL if a year after GPU mining started gmax found an issue in gmaxes code that caused gmaxes code to not be as 'compatible' and as he promised

try to learn about bitcoin. because you have subtly omitted you have wasted the last year not learning. but do try to learn about bitcoin beyond a 2 paragraph blockstream/DCG script. and then reply using the cap of bitcoin network understanding

you do realise bitcoin will and should be around for centuries but blockstream/DCG wont be. so vesting your entire mindset around defending blockstream/DCG is a temporary thing that wont last and you will regret it later once their experiment is over and they have moved on to hyperledger
5078  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Even more proof that market wants segwit on: April 12, 2017, 02:12:55 PM
Even further proof that segwit = price up. Vertcoin got 300% price increase due segwit news:
Anyone that still doesn't see segwit = positively valued for the market needs a beating.

and on same day litecoin tanked


So BW decides to wake up with the right foot today and starts signaling for segwit:

and on same day Vert tanked 20% ltc rose 20%

its just tennis...

and all your doing is looking at th ball (the latest coin that rises) and ignoring the one without the ball (the latest coin that drops) and then scream it rose because segwit.
but when it drops. you will scream the other coin rises "because segwit good."

are you next going to offer a daily report. find which coin rose and scream "its segwit"

temporary price drama is meaningless. especially in the stupidly twisted context you use.
5079  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 12, 2017, 11:49:59 AM
blah

lol
you have no clue.

next you will be telling me that the chinese do infact have a time machine went back and made hardware purely to attack software.

wake up to logic.
hardware came first,
new software came second
new software is not getting the appreciation
new software not active
new software has a flaw

you cant blame old hardware

TL:DR
how can summer 2015 hardware be exploiting autumn 2016 released software



secondly blockstream admit the going soft anyone canspend route was a backdoor to avoid node consensus

thirdly
actually you will find it is an anyonecanspend. which is why if segwit activates they have to PREVENT old nodes seeing unconfirmed segwit tx's and also prevent old nodes from mining blocks ontop of segwit,
and why the segwit keypair wallet is not active in any of the 0.13.X 0.14.x
and why even when segwit is activated the segwit keypair wallet wont be available instantly because they need to ensure the old nods are cut off from manipulating unconfirmed tx's by ensuring the network is tiered with segwit at the top.

atleast try to learn the finer details and stop just pushing the utopian 30 second sales pitch
5080  Economy / Speculation / Re: "The price of your bitcoin is 1000 times overvalued" on: April 12, 2017, 11:07:43 AM
the guys that say its 1000x too expensive.
are the ones with only $1000 to their name wished they bought at $1 so they would later be millionares when they scream for it to be worth 1000x more after buying.

the guys that say bitcoin should be 500,000 are the ones that bought at probably $500 and are screaming for it to be worth $500k to then be millionaires when buying only 2btc.

i have seen this in the past.

many peoples 'future price' valuations are usually linked to what they hold or wished they held. and then calculated to a future profit of $1mill

EG someone screaming bitcoin should be $33k each probably only has 30btc
i dont know where this mindset came from but many people i speak to have this "i wanna be a fiat millionaire" mindset.
not realising by the time they become fiat millionaires. hyper inflation will only by them a loaf of bread with it.

i do laugh at those that only care about a future FIAT value while pretending "banks are bad, governments are bad"
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