I think it's be appropriate so the seller isn't getting scammed out of their money and they have a ballpark estimate of what the coin is worth and they can use that base price as a guideline whether they want to pay higher or lower for it. It's really easy to just claim a price on a coin or collectible and someone will pay or sell at that price because they are misinformed of the actual item and the seller or buyer knows that and takes advantage of them.
Anyone who purchases a collectible item without knowing its value is a fool. |
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Personally I believe a 2-3x valuation is appropriate for a loaded Casascius coin in mint condition. You're paying 1x for the face value of the coin and 1-2x for the numismatic value that is "Casascius".
Are you looking to sell for 2x face value or what
I see this often enough that I feel like I need to address it. The value of a collectible coin doesn't have anything to do with its face value."2x face value", etc, is simply not how coins are priced, and it doesn't make sense to say things like this. Here's how a coin is priced: <intrinsic value> + <numismatic value> + <seller's premium> = <price of coin> For bullion coins, like Krugerrands or silver Maple Leafs, the intrinsic value is the value of the metal. For a Casascius coin, the intrinsic value is the face value plus the value of any precious metals. The numismatic value is the amount of additional money the coin would fetch, based on its rarity or desirability as a collectible. The seller's premium is the profit margin of the seller. Note how there are no multiplication (x) symbols in the above equation; only plus (+) symbols. Using the "?x face value" system does nothing but help people with high-face value coins rip off the general coin-buying public. "Buy my 10btc coin for 30btc -- only 3x face value! It's just like getting an 0.5btc coin for 1.5btc!" -- this glosses over the fact that the seller is asking a TWENTY BTC PREMIUM for a coin that's not even one of the most rare Casascius coins. Think about that. Even at today's exchange rates, that's a TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR premium. For a privately-minted round issued in 2013. Go into a coin store and tell them about this, watch their jaw hit the floor. Something to think about  This "x face value" gibberish is one of the more enduring stupidities around this place (no offense, possum...) |
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Nice avoidance! Quote the text where I asked you for more money, or you're a liar and full of shit.
You're a liar and full of shit  |
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Just over a week in, with Lesbian Cow continuing the trend of vacuuming up all the coins they can get their hands on  |
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You gave me one price, I paid, then you asked for more, therefore you raised the price.
Are you fucking stupid? I told you to quote the exact text where I asked you for more money. Quote the text where I asked you for more money, or you're a liar and full of shit. Just for giggles, I'll re-quote the text where I offered to give you a refund and you had to actively refuse it in order to not receive it. I'll also make the important part red bold because you're so fucking stupid you seem to have missed it. Hey there! I made an error in calculating shipping costs -- the actual cost to ship the poster flat (not rolled) is $40 instead of $20, which is a difference of 0.04btc.
If you like, you can pay the extra 0.04btc to have it shipped flat, or I can ship your poster rolled in a tube which is slightly cheaper, and give you a 0.01btc refund. Let me know which option you'd prefer -- if I don't hear from you, I'll assume you'd like it shipped via the cheaper method.
Cheers! Just because I think you're actually so stupid that you might wilfully ignore the red, bolded text above, I'll amp it up a notch. "if I don't hear from you, I'll assume you'd like it shipped via the cheaper method."Didn't read the rest of your post because blah blah blah. You're a fucking idiot. |
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is there any official thread for QuadRigaCX? Seems like a big exchange but there are no threads about them.
There's not even an unofficial one! Cool that they let you withdraw/deposit physical gold. Lame that they prolly require a scan of your driver's license. |
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Thanks for the pm. I will let you know about shipping. I have used USPS for world-wide shipping and we can talk on the forum / skype. ( EquinoxxBitcoin)
btw.. If you like to abbreviate my username; call me noxx. Thanks.
I prefer "bins" but nobody indulges me |
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Uh, unless I'm mistaken, all we're looking at is some unfunded bearer bars receiving funds from their owners? |
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That 1Ag1 code indicates that it's from the first-funded batch. Nice coin.
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If it is off topic why did you bring it up in the first place?
Wanted to call you out on your lie. That is not a lie. You did in fact make an error in the quoted price, and then ask me for even more BTC,
I require you to post the exact text where I asked you for more BTC. If you are unable to do so, I will leave you further negative feedback for lying and making up stories to fit your narrative. |
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Guys... Give yourselves a break.
Friday is my Saturday |
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The entire purpose of the trust system, especially the default trust, is to provide exactly those people with a guide of who to trade with until they can figure that out for themselves by gaining experience trading and building their own trust networks.
I'm sorry, the entire purpose of the trust system is to provide noobs with a "don't think, just trust" list?
I didn't say any of that, but feel free to make up statements and attribute them to me as if I said them as usual.
If you really believe I lied about you please do quote this supposed lie, I would love to see your "proof"
Off-topic, but whatever. Uh, it's all right there in the OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=969863.0To quote you directly: "He also raised the price after I paid him the original amount he quoted." That's a lie. I gave you two options: receive a small refund (the default option) or pay slightly more for better shipping. Stinky liar can't keep track of his lies! Better keep a lie journal. |
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Will this story have a happy ending or not? It seems 12 pages for this argument are a little much. Maybe you both should apologize to each other (I assume both are adult).
Nothing to apologize for! I'll stick around until TECSHARE stops with the libellous statements Also: mildly surprised that people browse the Meta sub. |
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The entire purpose of the trust system, especially the default trust, is to provide exactly those people with a guide of who to trade with until they can figure that out for themselves by gaining experience trading and building their own trust networks. If you don't want this responsibility you should ask Canaryinthemine to remove you for the default trust.
Of course you won't, because it gives you more power to attack people who dare to question your use and abuse of the system. Additionally it makes it more appealing for people to trade with you because trust ratings you leave have more weight. You just want the benefits but not any of the responsibility included along with it.
I'm sorry, the entire purpose of the trust system is to provide noobs with a "don't think, just trust" list? You're drunk, get out. Your claim that DT makes it more appealing for people to trade with me doesn't hold water either. I have never left positive trust for people who have bought things from me; I've only left positive trust for users who sold me things where I pay up front. Y'know, where I trusted them. I've had people beg me for ratings after purchasing things from me, but I've never done so because selling you something doesn't make me trust you.Any other flawed arguments, or are you ready to admit you just hate my guts? |
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if you think this way than clearly that it is abusive to use it as the way we please especially those of default trust list
What?it is basically that you are on default trust , that your judgement of trust is basically a guide for the other wether to trust or not to trust someone, if you feel that this is a burden, feel free to ask CITM to take you off his list
What I'm saying is that it is incorrect to use me as a guide if I am a stranger to you. I don't feel any burden at all. For some reason, people seem to think that I *should* carry a burden, as if this is somehow a more sensible approach than placing the burden on those who have not yet developed the ability to make intelligent choices. I have no idea why people think this way, but an offhanded guess would be that kids today have an extreme aversion to assuming personal responsibility, and will do anything in their power to shift the burden onto others. But what do I know? |
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I've got a gold buffalo if there's any interest.
Could you pm me with pictures that Proof u own it? Im really looking for this kind of coins. Also tell me prices and if u are willing to scrow it. Thanks 4.6 BTC + actual shipping cost, willing to escrow if it's a global mod or someone I trust. No pics at the moment, because the coin is in a box at the bank; I should be able to get a picture taken in the next few days. I also have some gold numismatic/collectible pieces if you're interested, but they're far more expensive than bullion prices. |
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Otherwise people will be exchanging feedback based solely on personal vendettas and if we give it enough time, then everyone will be labeled a scammer because everyone will at one point piss someone on default trust off.
Let it happen.When it gets bad enough, and the pages pile up with red enough, you'll realize what you should have realized from the start: your personal trust list shouldn't be Default Trust; it should be those you actually trust. You think any of your ratings even come up on my screen? Not sure who to trust? Maybe that's something you need to figure out before you're responsible enough to use magic internet money. |
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I don't think people should be allowed to leave negative trust ratings unless they can prove that the person is a scammer, or they can prove the person is leaving false trust ratings.
I think people should use trust ratings however they please (AKA the current system!). All of this "rules about trust" nonsense is foolish. Don't like how my ratings might unduly influence others? Then either give me two trust systems (one for public consumption and one for private use), or educate people on what trust is, how to read feedback pages, why to trust or doubt my ratings, etc. Putting the burden of behaviour modification on people who got inducted into DT is a backwards-thinking approach that doesn't tackle the root cause of the issue -- noobs getting misled by inaccurate feedback. Imagine if all the time wasted on this thread was put towards writing a guide that helped new users understand how to objectively weigh presented evidence to form their own opinion!  But I guess it's way easier to just wag the chin about "mob action" and complain about how everything is unfair. After all, complaining fixes things, right? |
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