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Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - DEPLOYMENT OF 20 TH/s
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on: September 02, 2013, 12:44:42 PM
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The net mining revenue of this 20 TH/s will be divided over the shareholders until their total investment is recovered.
All mining revenue from this additional 20% will go to public shareholders until the initial investment of 0.65BTC/share is recovered in dividends.
Emphasis mine. I apologize if this has already been asked and answered, but you mention several times that dividends will be paid until shareholders' initial investment is recovered. Will shareholders continue to receive dividends after their initial investment is recovered? The quoted text seems to imply the opposite. We will deploy 20 TH in September and all dividends will be divided among shareholders until the 0.65 BTC investment is recovered.We will also deploy 10 GH/share in December and shareholders will continue to receive dividends of this deployment also after investment is recovered.Again, emphasis mine. This smells like a scam. If I understand correctly: 1) Each share represents 2GH/s. This is the same performance/cost as USB block erupters @ 0.10 each. 2) You guys collect 55,833.1 BTC from suckers investors in your IPO. 3) In addition to your 35% fees, you will be keeping 17% of the IPO shares for yourselves. This 17% is in addition to your initial 35% skim. 17% of 65% is 11%, so in practice, shareholders will receive 54% of mining revenue, and you guys will receive 46% of mining revenue.4) Even if you guys weren't skimming 46% of revenue from the 20TH/s, and even if difficulty STOPPED INCREASING, it would take almost exactly 365 days for you guys to pay back the IPO funds in dividends. 5) Given that you're taking almost half of mining revenue, and difficulty continues to rapidly increase, it's safe to assume that investors will NEVER see a full return of their IPO funds.6) In December (3-4 months from now), you'll add another 100TH/s to your mining operation, and 54% of THIS hashing power will be paid out to shareholders in perpetuity, or until you guys get tired of running your scam. TL;DR: you're looking for suckers to buy a mining farm for you.As I mentioned earlier, this smells like a great big dirty: SCAMBut I could be wrong.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - DEPLOYMENT OF 20 TH/s
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on: September 02, 2013, 12:56:21 AM
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The net mining revenue of this 20 TH/s will be divided over the shareholders until their total investment is recovered.
Net revenue is defined as the total sum of Bitcoins mined, transaction fees received and net revenue from hardware sold, minus electricity, hosting, and mine maintenance costs.
All mining revenue from this additional 20% will go to public shareholders until the initial investment of 0.65BTC/share is recovered in dividends.
Emphasis mine. I apologize if this has already been asked and answered, but you mention several times that dividends will be paid until shareholders' initial investment is recovered. Will shareholders continue to receive dividends after their initial investment is recovered? The quoted text seems to imply the opposite.
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Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: .10 promotion from ASICMiner distribution by CanaryInTheMine #2
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on: August 31, 2013, 05:29:32 PM
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This is a total scam!
Why do you assume it's a total scam instead of an honest mistake, or a simple mix-up if you don't mind me asking? Did you state your concern to OP, and ask for clarification? Or did you just come back here and make an inflammatory post? This is a total scam!
Emphasis mine. Do you really believe this is a total scam? Or are you just stomping your boots because something that happened to you wasn't perfect?
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Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread
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on: August 26, 2013, 11:13:23 PM
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718 shares have re-appeared at the IPO price. Are they just releasing them in bits because having too big a pile of unsold IPO shares sitting there was putting off buyers? If so, it worked - lots of shares have suddenly been bought over 0.14 - but if that's what they've done then doing so without announcing for that reason would be a bit dodgy to say the least.
I assumed that the rush of buys was because of the wall disappearing. So did the text you quoted. That was me agreeing with you
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Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread
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on: August 26, 2013, 11:02:23 PM
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718 shares have re-appeared at the IPO price. Are they just releasing them in bits because having too big a pile of unsold IPO shares sitting there was putting off buyers? If so, it worked - lots of shares have suddenly been bought over 0.14 - but if that's what they've done then doing so without announcing for that reason would be a bit dodgy to say the least.
I assumed that the rush of buys was because of the wall disappearing.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread
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on: August 26, 2013, 10:37:50 PM
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I'm fairly certain whatever whale(s) have taken a liking to CFIG bought out the remaining IPO shares. I'm not sure what your point is about the 173,282. That's how much was sold during IPO, the remaining 26,718 were just purchased in full @ .15. Hence, the .15 wall is now gone. If the remaining 26,718 shares were sold on the market by the issuer then the total issued shares would be the full 200,000 outstanding units. The fact that the site doesn't reflect that indicates that either the site is wrong (bug) or the shares weren't sold they were simply removed. Units outstanding (in any company) is the total units owned by someone. Each unit represents an equal share of ownership. If the company has sold 200,000 units then there has to be 200,000 units outstanding. Assuming it's not a bug, I wonder if the 173,282 shares still represent a 20% stake in the company, or if they now represent a 17.3282% stake.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread
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on: August 26, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
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I assumed the same, but check this out: Units Outstanding 173282 Given that the original number was 200k shares, it kinda looks like they didn't go anywhere. This just keeps getting weirder. I'm fairly certain whatever whale(s) have taken a liking to CFIG bought out the remaining IPO shares. I'm not sure what your point is about the 173,282. That's how much was sold during IPO, the remaining 26,718 were just purchased in full @ .15. Hence, the .15 wall is now gone. I might be wrong here, but my assumption was that the remaining ~26k shares would be added to the "outstanding units" count, once purchased.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread
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on: August 26, 2013, 10:21:40 PM
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FOR IMMIDIATE RELEASE:
CRYPTO FINANCIAL (CFIG) is pleased to announce that our public offering of our Virtual Shares will close on Friday August 23rd, 2013 AT 12:00 P.M EST. Live trading of our shares will commence immediately once the IPO has closed. Any remaining shares will be placed for sale in the open market at the original IPO price. We appreciate the countless people and organizations that have reached out to us and have showed their support for our venture.
Looks like the remaining shares @ 0.15 have disappeared from the order book. They didn't get bought up; where did they go? Ooh. Interesting catch. I assumed a private buyer, but they should've purchased on the market... I assumed the same, but check this out: Units Outstanding 173282 Given that the original number was 200k shares, it kinda looks like they didn't go anywhere. This just keeps getting weirder.
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Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread
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on: August 26, 2013, 10:07:18 PM
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FOR IMMIDIATE RELEASE:
CRYPTO FINANCIAL (CFIG) is pleased to announce that our public offering of our Virtual Shares will close on Friday August 23rd, 2013 AT 12:00 P.M EST. Live trading of our shares will commence immediately once the IPO has closed. Any remaining shares will be placed for sale in the open market at the original IPO price. We appreciate the countless people and organizations that have reached out to us and have showed their support for our venture.
Looks like the remaining shares @ 0.15 have disappeared from the order book. They didn't get bought up; where did they go?
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Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
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on: August 24, 2013, 01:08:40 AM
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I am dumb and understand nothing of this technical talk, with hashrates and whatever. But I have 20 BTC invested in AM and am wondering why is value dropping so hard. I am now at half a BTC profit and will probably go in the negative soon. And this shit came at a time I REALLY needed to cash my profit out. Someone care to ELI5 ? Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.
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Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
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on: August 22, 2013, 02:29:31 PM
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Why are you acting so rudely towards him? If you think his arguments are weak, refute them. Calling him names only makes everyone else feel you're not comfortable in your position and perhaps don't really have an argument.
+1! Let's discuss the situation like grown-ups! Or, y'know, just call each other delusional trolls. Totally worth reading
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