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1101  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - DEPLOYMENT OF 20 TH/s on: September 02, 2013, 12:44:42 PM
The net mining revenue of this 20 TH/s will be divided over the shareholders until their total investment is recovered.

All mining revenue from this additional 20% will go to public shareholders until the initial investment of 0.65BTC/share is recovered in dividends.

Emphasis mine. I apologize if this has already been asked and answered, but you mention several times that dividends will be paid until shareholders' initial investment is recovered. Will shareholders continue to receive dividends after their initial investment is recovered? The quoted text seems to imply the opposite.


We will deploy 20 TH in September and all dividends will be divided among shareholders until the 0.65 BTC investment is recovered.

We will also deploy 10 GH/share in December and shareholders will continue to receive dividends of this deployment also after investment is recovered.

Again, emphasis mine.

This smells like a scam.

If I understand correctly:

1) Each share represents 2GH/s. This is the same performance/cost as USB block erupters @ 0.10 each.

2) You guys collect 55,833.1 BTC from suckers investors in your IPO.

3) In addition to your 35% fees, you will be keeping 17% of the IPO shares for yourselves. This 17% is in addition to your initial 35% skim. 17% of 65% is 11%, so in practice, shareholders will receive 54% of mining revenue, and you guys will receive 46% of mining revenue.

4) Even if you guys weren't skimming 46% of revenue from the 20TH/s, and even if difficulty STOPPED INCREASING, it would take almost exactly 365 days for you guys to pay back the IPO funds in dividends.

5) Given that you're taking almost half of mining revenue, and difficulty continues to rapidly increase, it's safe to assume that investors will NEVER see a full return of their IPO funds.

6) In December (3-4 months from now), you'll add another 100TH/s to your mining operation, and 54% of THIS hashing power will be paid out to shareholders in perpetuity, or until you guys get tired of running your scam.

TL;DR: you're looking for suckers to buy a mining farm for you.

As I mentioned earlier, this smells like a great big dirty:
SCAM

But I could be wrong.
1102  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - DEPLOYMENT OF 20 TH/s on: September 02, 2013, 12:56:21 AM
The net mining revenue of this 20 TH/s will be divided over the shareholders until their total investment is recovered.

Net revenue is defined as the total sum of Bitcoins mined, transaction fees received and net revenue from hardware sold, minus electricity, hosting, and mine maintenance costs.

All mining revenue from this additional 20% will go to public shareholders until the initial investment of 0.65BTC/share is recovered in dividends.

Emphasis mine. I apologize if this has already been asked and answered, but you mention several times that dividends will be paid until shareholders' initial investment is recovered. Will shareholders continue to receive dividends after their initial investment is recovered? The quoted text seems to imply the opposite.
1103  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: .10 promotion from ASICMiner distribution by CanaryInTheMine #2 on: August 31, 2013, 05:29:32 PM
This is a total scam!

Why do you assume it's a total scam instead of an honest mistake, or a simple mix-up if you don't mind me asking?

Did you state your concern to OP, and ask for clarification?

Or did you just come back here and make an inflammatory post?

This is a total scam!

Emphasis mine.

Do you really believe this is a total scam? Or are you just stomping your boots because something that happened to you wasn't perfect?
1104  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [CLOSED] 1 KNC Jupiter Miner Preorder 1-500 + hosting (0/70 shares @1BTC) on: August 31, 2013, 12:22:01 PM
Hello there,

tomorrow is September, the first \°/

\o/ !!

Truthfully, I forgot about this group buy.
1105  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Amagi Metals - Best Prices of Gold & Silver for Bitcoins on: August 29, 2013, 06:26:32 PM
We have just received some new silver bullets. They can be found here: http://www.amagimetals.com/1-oz-45-silver-bullet-round.html

Hahaha, AWESOME.
1106  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: .10 promotion from ASICMiner distribution by CanaryInTheMine #2 on: August 29, 2013, 06:07:20 PM
I don't understand this promotion completely. We get a 0.1 BTC coupon for each one we've purchased? So why are are they 0.15 BTC with the coupon when you can purchase them for 0.18 BTC without a coupon? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283458.0)

That's 0.18 PLUS shipping.

This is 0.15 INCLUDING shipping.

If you're gonna compare apples, at least make sure they're the same variety Wink
1107  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Amagi Metals - Best Prices of Gold & Silver for Bitcoins on: August 27, 2013, 11:41:57 PM
Any word?  Smiley

They have already been shipped. Did you receive a tracking number?

Nope, no tracking email. It may have fallen through the cracks, but I don't recall seeing one come in.

EDIT: However, that's good news! If it's easier, you can feel free to PM me the tracking number.
1108  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Amagi Metals - Best Prices of Gold & Silver for Bitcoins on: August 27, 2013, 07:20:12 PM
Just ordered a roll of silver maple leafs the other day -- are lead times on these shiny fellas still 5-7 business days?

Yes they are. Should be shipping Friday or Monday!

Any word?  Smiley
1109  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread on: August 26, 2013, 11:13:23 PM
718 shares have re-appeared at the IPO price. Are they just releasing them in bits because having too big a pile of unsold IPO shares sitting there was putting off buyers? If so, it worked - lots of shares have suddenly been bought over 0.14 - but if that's what they've done then doing so without announcing for that reason would be a bit dodgy to say the least.
I assumed that the rush of buys was because of the wall disappearing.
So did the text you quoted.

That was me agreeing with you  Wink
1110  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread on: August 26, 2013, 11:02:23 PM
718 shares have re-appeared at the IPO price. Are they just releasing them in bits because having too big a pile of unsold IPO shares sitting there was putting off buyers? If so, it worked - lots of shares have suddenly been bought over 0.14 - but if that's what they've done then doing so without announcing for that reason would be a bit dodgy to say the least.

I assumed that the rush of buys was because of the wall disappearing.
1111  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 26, 2013, 10:45:30 PM
is a phishing version of this forum

It's not a phishing link

If you're wondering why the green "https" lock is grey with a yellow warning sign over it, it's because the page contains non-secure items (namely, the picture hotlinked from imgur).
1112  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread on: August 26, 2013, 10:37:50 PM
I'm fairly certain whatever whale(s) have taken a liking to CFIG bought out the remaining IPO shares. I'm not sure what your point is about the 173,282. That's how much was sold during IPO, the remaining 26,718 were just purchased in full @ .15. Hence, the .15 wall is now gone.

If the remaining 26,718 shares were sold on the market by the issuer then the total issued shares would be the full 200,000 outstanding units.  The fact that the site doesn't reflect that indicates that either the site is wrong (bug) or the shares weren't sold they were simply removed.

Units outstanding (in any company) is the total units owned by someone.  Each unit represents an equal share of ownership.  If the company has sold 200,000 units then there has to be 200,000 units outstanding. 

Assuming it's not a bug, I wonder if the 173,282 shares still represent a 20% stake in the company, or if they now represent a 17.3282% stake.
1113  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread on: August 26, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
I assumed the same, but check this out:

Quote
Units Outstanding   173282

Given that the original number was 200k shares, it kinda looks like they didn't go anywhere. This just keeps getting weirder.

I'm fairly certain whatever whale(s) have taken a liking to CFIG bought out the remaining IPO shares. I'm not sure what your point is about the 173,282. That's how much was sold during IPO, the remaining 26,718 were just purchased in full @ .15. Hence, the .15 wall is now gone.

I might be wrong here, but my assumption was that the remaining ~26k shares would be added to the "outstanding units" count, once purchased.
1114  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread on: August 26, 2013, 10:21:40 PM
FOR IMMIDIATE RELEASE:

CRYPTO FINANCIAL (CFIG) is pleased to announce that our public offering of our Virtual Shares will close on Friday August 23rd, 2013 AT 12:00 P.M EST.  Live trading of our shares will commence immediately once the IPO has closed.  Any remaining shares will be placed for sale in the open market at the original IPO price. We appreciate the countless people and organizations that have reached out to us and have showed their support for our venture. 


Looks like the remaining shares @ 0.15 have disappeared from the order book. They didn't get bought up; where did they go?

Ooh. Interesting catch. I assumed a private buyer, but they should've purchased on the market...

I assumed the same, but check this out:

Quote
Units Outstanding   173282

Given that the original number was 200k shares, it kinda looks like they didn't go anywhere. This just keeps getting weirder.
1115  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread on: August 26, 2013, 10:07:18 PM
FOR IMMIDIATE RELEASE:

CRYPTO FINANCIAL (CFIG) is pleased to announce that our public offering of our Virtual Shares will close on Friday August 23rd, 2013 AT 12:00 P.M EST.  Live trading of our shares will commence immediately once the IPO has closed.  Any remaining shares will be placed for sale in the open market at the original IPO price. We appreciate the countless people and organizations that have reached out to us and have showed their support for our venture. 


Looks like the remaining shares @ 0.15 have disappeared from the order book. They didn't get bought up; where did they go?
1116  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 25, 2013, 08:23:48 PM
Yeah, partners interested in BTC mining (or even just BTC) are sadly even more scarce than bitcoins...

Yup. Rare. Find a hot chick that likes and is interested in BTC? Imposibru.

You poor guys. I liked it so I put a ring on it.  Grin
1117  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Amagi Metals - Best Prices of Gold & Silver for Bitcoins on: August 24, 2013, 01:58:23 AM
This is Chris Duane's take:
http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=29291

 Shocked
1118  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 24, 2013, 01:08:40 AM
I am dumb and understand nothing of this technical talk, with hashrates and whatever.

But I have 20 BTC invested in AM and am wondering why is value dropping so hard. I am now at half a BTC profit and will probably go in the negative soon. And this shit came at a time I REALLY needed to cash my profit out.  Embarrassed Someone care to ELI5 ?  Undecided

Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.
1119  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] Crypto Currency (CFIG) Official Thread on: August 22, 2013, 06:53:41 PM
Minor nitpick, 828.15 BTC / 5521 shares have sold.

(at the time of writing)

Interestingly enough, looks like another ~10k shares got bought up:

Units Outstanding: 155221
Market Cap: ฿23283.1500 (~$2353926.47)
1120  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: August 22, 2013, 02:29:31 PM
Why are you acting so rudely towards him? If you think his arguments are weak, refute them.
Calling him names only makes everyone else feel you're not comfortable in your position and perhaps don't really have an argument.

+1! Let's discuss the situation like grown-ups!

Or, y'know, just call each other delusional trolls. Totally worth reading Tongue
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