FWIW, I worked at a company for two years making websites with C#, and then three years making websites with Java.  |
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if the scammer does not repay the victim then the thread should remain unlocked. If the scammer ever wants to repair his reputation then he could later repay his victims and post there of this.
If the level of socks get to a spam level you can report the posts in question and if they are against the rules they will be deleted. Having your own sock accounts post in a scam accusacation thread will generally only make you look worse which is what happened to WC (it is actually one reason why I am leaning more towards thinking he is a fraud)
 Wholeheartedly disagree. "Repairing a reputation" online is foolish to the point of absurdity. The sensible thing for WC to do would be to just create a new account -- his current one is irreparably damaged. If his victims get repaid (they won't), he's still a scammer, just a scammer with a conscience after the fact. I personally do not care if his customers ever get a dime back; he has a big "S" branded on his forehead, and that's that. EDIT: Out of sheer curiosity, I'd like to see if you had in mind any examples of reputations that have been repaired. |
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Also worth noting that Microsoft offers free versions of Visual Studio that you can use to learn on, and they have a ton of tutorials and code resources too. Total shit bag company, but hey. If you've never used an IDE before, VS is a good one to start with. http://www.microsoft.com/web/platform/tools.aspx |
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What if all parties involved are unable to come to an agreement?
I locked that thread because it turned to diarrhea. Sock fight. Would not consider unlocking for any reason at this point.
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You have demonstrated ... willingness to abuse trust for personal gain
What if they also slander you without evidence to back up their claims? EDIT: This is just as serious an accusation as anything else being discussed here. I take my reputation seriously, and request you provide proof of me "demonstrating" willingness to abuse the forum for my personal gain. Without such proof, I'd like to ask the slanderous comment be removed. |
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Who determines if the dispute is settled? The WoodCollector dispute is *not* settled if you ask WC or TECSHARE.
What if everyone agrees it's settled except for the accused? Still lock it?
FWIW, at least three of the threads you linked were created by the scammer trying to avoid the main thread lock. Nothing can be done to prevent this, least of all leaving the main thread unlocked.
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Good lord, please stay on topic and stop discussing wood in here. Trust here is indeed significantly different from the OTC web of trust, as I've realized. I feel as though there are some unspoken rules floating around here regarding when it is appropriate to leave negative or neutral feedback. Perhaps it would be useful to have some form of guidance as to when each is appropriate? WC is a great example -- TECSHARE still thinks I do not have the proof to leave a negative rating against WC, but I of course think that I do. I would not leave neutral feedback for a scammer, because if everyone only freaks out about the red/green under avatars like it seems, neutral feedback will never be read by the noobs it's supposed to protect. If I leave negative feedback to warn noobs (so they'll see without clicking the Trust link, something foreign and new to noobs), the trust link goes red and people start making meta threads about me. Maybe the solution is to keep the trust LINK but hide the automatic display of the SCORE under people's avatars? That way, people can still easily check trust, without having their initial perceptions tainted by what may be only one negative rating. It seems like people think I give negative trust to those who disagree with me, but in fact, I gave negative trust to those who seemed duplicitous or otherwise suspicious in their words and actions (like the guy who ignored 10 pages of arguing to say "nice work!", or all the socks). I left TECSHARE negative feedback because I felt he was acting in a manner that called the accuracy of his judgment into question. Given the several witch hunt threads TECSHARE seems to be running, I don't think this is unfair of me, and would be interested to hear disagreement on this point. Is this page really a problem big enough to warrant a prosecution?   |
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Finally -- and I do not presume to speak on behalf of CITM -- but his rating of me is based on past dealings between the two of us and it would be an abuse of the trust system for him to remove it because he feels I am abusing the trust system  Removing someone from his trust list is not abusing anything. Fair enough, that was cheeky. Those who have received negative ratings from me should, if they understand the Trust system and its use, be wholly unconcerned if my accusations are baseless, and vocally critical if they are true.
Being in the default trust network means your feedback is artificially given higher weight than others, so yes it is concerning if the accusations are baseless. Incidentally, I just realized that the negative feedback I left for TECSHARE actually *removed* him from the default trust list. I guess that's why we're all in this thread... I'm going to sit back and see what everyone has to say about this, but I'd like to say that I will be saddened and disappointed if I'm forced to remove any of the ratings I've left other users as a condition of remaining in the Default Trust list. |
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The neat thing about Trust is that not everybody understands what it really is, or how it really works. Let's take my trust page, for example. There are several red negative reviews of me under the "untrusted feedback" section. Ostensibly, this would be a Bad Thing, because Trust is a points-based system and more points equals more trust, right? Wrong. In fact, Trust is not a points-based system, but a way of linking reputations across a network of people. Thusly, people can see the negative reviews that have been left for me, check the reference links, see the trust of the users who left those reviews, check THEIR reference links, etc. This is very powerful, because it allows you to view the broad behavioural strokes of everyone involved in the situation. I am, in fact, not affected in any fashion by the negative reviews left on my profile, because any user who views them is able to uncover a vast amount of information surrounding the reviews in question, as well as a vast amount of information surrounding my own behaviour on this forum, right back to the start, and come to their own conclusions. Those who have received negative ratings from me should, if they understand the Trust system and its use, be wholly unconcerned if my accusations are baseless, and vocally critical if they are true. Finally -- and I do not presume to speak on behalf of CITM -- but his rating of me is based on past dealings between the two of us and it would be an abuse of the trust system for him to remove it because he feels I am abusing the trust system |
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Hi folks, I've decided to see if there's any chance a laser-engraving service is something the community can offer. I'm looking to have the following design laser- or cnc-cut into a block of wood:  Preference will be given to those who provide video of them damaging the finished piece with a dremel tool. Willing to pay the following price: (cost of wood) + (actual cost of postage) + ($5) Not interested in spending more than $50 total. Ground shipping is okay, as I live in Canada. 100% of funds must be held in escrow by global mod or similar. Please PM offers; thread locked so as not to clutter up the sub. |
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Watching the video now... I don't see any lazer engravers.
We wouldn't want to have a debate based on facts now would we?
<random bullshit about how people should not speculate>
He applied those router lines BY HAND. Not by laser, Not by CNC, but with a HAND ROUTER.
 Sounds like speculation rather than fact. Shill or moron. Probably not a good idea to trust either way. Negative feedback left. |
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On a serious note, perhaps we should DOX this fucker
Somewhat related, I'd like to ask people to please stop PMing me WoodCollector's name and home address. |
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"Hey guys, selling coins, price is secret." "Make me an offer; I might reply" IF you're interested in selling, PM me with YOUR offer |
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Even the simple things like smoking and wearing rings while producing the video clearly shows a disconnect.
I lel'd. Somewhat related, came across this in a book recently: "Workers in the shop should be cautioned against smoking while at work, especially those whose work calls for repeated physical motions, such as are entailed in manual printing. The nature of such physical activity does not permit the leisurely demeanor of the habitual smoker. Puffing on a cigarette, then carefully balancing it on the edge of a the table to keep an eye on it, then removing the ashes with the gesture of a country squire - these actions are definitely out of place in a busy shop. Not only does smoking tend to retard production, but it is an infringement of the law in the immediate proximity of inflammables. It endangers the life of all" -Complete Book of Screen Printing Production By: J.I. Biegeleisen, 1963. |
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The design was already etched into the wood -- with a laser -- when the video starts. Who cares how the initial template was applied, and is it engraved or burned on? Is the piece not still hand carved if he applies a stencil then carves around it? Then WC takes a dremel tool and fucks around for a bit. That's the carving part... Are you serious? Actually speechless if so. Yea He did not fucking dremel the backgrounds out of those pieces and you know it. Who cares if he used a laser to apply the stencil? That is not the matter under question
But... that's precisely the matter under question. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=932131.03: All this crap that i own a laser machine
100% false. As i have stated before i dont need to spend $80,000 to transfer a design to wood. A sheet of carbon transfer paper costs me about $0.05. Once the final design is approved it takes about 5 minutes for me to turn the scanned design into a line drawing, then it is nothing more than printing it out and tracing it with carbon paper onto the wood. Then all thats left is to remove the wood around the lines. If that makes me a fraud then about every artist in the world is a fraud even before the days of technology and carbon paper artists use to use pot ash to transfer their sketches to canvas before starting work on the final piece.
Long and the short of it, if you were working with pine or super soft wood, most any of you could be taught to do the same thing in less than a day. the skill comes in when working with hardwoods, hardwood grain tears easy, it will splinter in a heartbeat if you are not careful, and its a quick way to cut off a finger if you dont know what your doing. When you know what your doing, how hard to you think it really is to cut within the lines? i think they teach you that in grade school yeah?
To lay out a little common sense for you, IF I OWNED A LASER I COULD SHIT OUT 10 COINS IN AN AFTERNOON, collect $50,000 and still have time to go to Disneyland. Yet it takes sometimes an entire month to clear out the wood around the design. But the mob mentality does not use common sense or simple logic.
I didnt use a laser as accused
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Who cares if he used a laser to apply the stencil? That is not the matter under question
But... that's precisely the matter under question. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=932131.03: All this crap that i own a laser machine
100% false. As i have stated before i dont need to spend $80,000 to transfer a design to wood. A sheet of carbon transfer paper costs me about $0.05. Once the final design is approved it takes about 5 minutes for me to turn the scanned design into a line drawing, then it is nothing more than printing it out and tracing it with carbon paper onto the wood. Then all thats left is to remove the wood around the lines. If that makes me a fraud then about every artist in the world is a fraud even before the days of technology and carbon paper artists use to use pot ash to transfer their sketches to canvas before starting work on the final piece.
Long and the short of it, if you were working with pine or super soft wood, most any of you could be taught to do the same thing in less than a day. the skill comes in when working with hardwoods, hardwood grain tears easy, it will splinter in a heartbeat if you are not careful, and its a quick way to cut off a finger if you dont know what your doing. When you know what your doing, how hard to you think it really is to cut within the lines? i think they teach you that in grade school yeah?
To lay out a little common sense for you, IF I OWNED A LASER I COULD SHIT OUT 10 COINS IN AN AFTERNOON, collect $50,000 and still have time to go to Disneyland. Yet it takes sometimes an entire month to clear out the wood around the design. But the mob mentality does not use common sense or simple logic.
I didnt use a laser as accused
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How did he start with those lines? And why are they brown? Looks burnt... Like a laser cutter...
How, indeed, did he start with those lines? Why, indeed, are they brown? What, pray tell, is everyone smoking? Yup why werent we shown how the "stencil" was put on the wood? hmmm... He carved the stencil with his special tools that we're not allowed to see! |
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How did he start with those lines? And why are they brown? Looks burnt... Like a laser cutter...
How, indeed, did he start with those lines? Why, indeed, are they brown? What, pray tell, is everyone smoking? |
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I admit, I lel'd heartily. The video is indeed incontrovertible proof of WC's skill.
I'm curious as to what in the video was not satisfactory for you I'm curious as to why you're curious. The design was already etched into the wood -- with a laser -- when the video starts. Then WC takes a dremel tool and fucks around for a bit. Are you serious? Actually speechless if so. |
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