TL;DR, fixed, issue was a typo in the verify script and these special bets that didn't verify before now do. Will have to have this edited again I suppose. Sorry about that. |
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I am not familiar with running NodeJS so I made a quick PHP script and I am getting: fa7ae - 1025966 - 59.66 21fdd - 139229 - 92.29a05cc - 656844 - 68.44 $hash = hash_hmac('sha512', 'ca45edd88ef251dd43edf42dc97c7ffb-3391','41fa224237f452360db8d35a276f4067fce6cad8d3dbf3c73bde2e804c8cb8c7');
for($i=0;$i<30;$i++) {
echo "<br>".substr($hash,$i*5,5)." - ". hexdec(substr($hash,$i*5,5)) ." - ".(hexdec(substr($hash,$i*5,5))%(10000)/100);
}The first result is more than 1 million so it goes to the next one which results in 92.29 after the modulo function (and is correct AFAIK.) There is 02 in the first result so perhaps your 0.02 result comes from there and there is a mistake in the verification script? Also 11 consecutive-losing bets is nothing special at all. Verifying of bets is always good though. Coinfist is a (paid?) shill. His bet should verify now. Earlier today he attempted to verify using an out-dated script we had listed on our verification page which was quickly fixed. Not much more to discuss here, note that he posted this thread after this was fixed. Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg8446518#msg8446518 |
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Looking for a reply to the cheating post as well.
Also, on the affiliate dashboard it says I have 5 referred users but there are only 4 listed below that. Explanation please?
That's funny, I only get 3 listed? Just to clarify the previous brought up situation There was no cheating, on our verification page verify script one line was incorrect which caused certain bets to not verify, now all bets do including ones made prior. Coinfist is a shill but I'm glad he brought this to my attention. Coinfist, go check if your verification works now. Please read for further detail From our developer: This is due to a missing * 5 multiplication from the substring selection that was added later on in development to the servers but not properly updated on the frontend. There is no way we can exploit this (as backend used the correct algorithm and therefore gave the correct roll numbers), it's an inaccuracy in our check script and our provably fair system still holds. The page has been updated and fixed, the few cases of bets that failed this verification will now verify properly using that script. Most bets verified but some failed due to the "shift over 5" nature, with the missing * 5, the verify script was using characters 5-6 (index + 5) instead of characters 5-10 (index * 5 + 5) for the second and subsequent tries when looping through viable roll numbers.
TL;DR, fixed, issue was a typo in the verify script and these special bets that didn't verify before now do. |
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I dont understand stunna's edit part. What will he close again? So if I am already a participant beforehand will I get boot out of this sig camp?
Since there are around 100 senior members participating about half of them will be "fired" from the campaign the next two days. If you do not get a PM from me then you are good to go. Quality posters are safe. Will have a list of the survivors in 2 days. I quoted this since people are asking about the cuts and wanting an updated list. Sounds like an updated list is in the works.... This is a pretty large scale reduction in the signature campaign. I like the use of the term "survivors." I imagine that referral earnings may offset it a bit but this has been an insanely generous program. I've never hoped so much to NOT get a PM from Stunna!  80%+ were sent out about six hours ago, if you don't get one tomorrow you'll be good. Micro is helping me get an updated list together of all the current participants for tomorrow. |
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Does this mean we can change the signature to our liking?
Stunna commented on this: Though he says 'can', I don't believe that he means that there is creative opportunity to alter the signature. Ultimately there is a brand to maintain, which means keeping the same signatures across the board irrespective of the campaign that you are taking part in. Hope that helps! Yeah if you're in the affiliate campaign you can customize it however you'd like. |
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Since 750 million bets were made with this flaw, and the flaw is expected to have affected 0.005% of all bets, that means an expected 37,500 bets were affected by the problem.
I'm glad to hear that you've compensated one of the [edit: expected - it could be more or less] 37,500 victims.
I sent u a pm regarding that , but u didn't reply . That 37k number is somewhat estimate but it can be so far from true. I didn't notice your PM, sorry. I'll take a look. Did you see I mentioned that the 37.5k number is the expected number of rolls that were incorrectly paid out as losers when they should have won if the house edge was 1% as advertised? I mentioned it 3 times in my post. I also said "it could be more or less"... Of course reality can be very different than expectation, but it could be off in either direction. It could be that many *more* than 37.5k bets were affected - I can't know the actual number. I can just be really sure that it isn't NINE, as Stunna claimed here. Edit: QFT It's not just >99.99 that is affected. *Every* bet is 0.005% harder to win than advertised. It's just that when the bet is advertised as 0.01%, the 0.005% error is half your advertised chance of winning, so it is hugely significant.
What this means is that on average 1 in every 20,000 bets in the history of the site was incorrectly marked as a loss instead of a win.
With 750 million bets on the site, that means that around 37500 bets were settled as losses when they should have been wins.
37500 bets assuming that every bet was made on the 10,000x multiplier. Only 180,000 10,000x payout bets were made. Meaning about 9 would have been settled incorrectly. Will find those 9 bets soon when have time to run a proper query on whole database Edit: Due to 0 working fine that means the expected number is actually ~4. I will make this situation right as I've stated before, I stand by my word (although I'm very vulnerable to delaying things). I've already paid out one coin and am 100% open to any suggestions on what to do for the remainder. It obviously won't be easy to track down people who may have placed that particular bet so one alternative that was suggested to me was to just get the average bet * bets effected and distribute it somehow or donate it. It would be hypocritical of me not to make this situation right after I attacked prc for the sjess issue. |
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stunna i have applyed for you affilate program please add me the boost
also i may have spammed you with 4 or 5 app send sorry about that
I'm applying the bonuses now. |
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If only verification documentation is wrong what it seems to be than i guess its not that bad situation ?
I don't know if it's that clear cut. If you launch a site with the documentation saying "we are provably fair because we do A, B, C to generate your rolls" but what you actually do is "A, B, D", then when the outcome of A, B, C and A, B, D differ, such that the player would have won if you did what you said you were going to do, but he loses because you actually do something different... then it seems like he has a winnable case there. He took you at your word that you were doing A, B, C but it turned out you weren't doing that at all, and the difference caused him to lose. I think dev has that already updated but as i said he wasn't online for whole day , he shoulda pushed some other updates today also .
I think the code snippet was updated recently. It was just updated wrongly, making it even worse than before since now it often computes very low rolls, like the 00.02 in the case that brought the error to light. What is more important than the method of fairness or any algorithm is the fact that the roll was fair and the user got the exact win odds expected to win the bet which he did indeed. I personally feel that your point about the "difference' causing him to lose is invalid, would he have adjusted his client seed etc knowing that the system used was different? This only seems to be important after the fact given that he lost. I'm doing my best to provide a fair experience, I'm also working on code so I can be less reliant on developers to solve these sorts of issues. At the end of the day though his roll was fair and unmanipulated. Also coinfist is a shill for another casino: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=365873;sa=showPosts (Notice all his posts are him screaming that PD is a scam in all caps) I'm not refunding him 0.01 which he lost placing a 100% fair bet. He literally created his forum account to simply type anti PD posts. Instead of proving that the verification section text was incorrect you should instead try and prove that he did not get a 100% fair bet. Also with regards to the 37,500 bet situation, I've already compensated the guy who should have won the 9900x payout 1 coin and will see if it is possible to run some sort of query for anyone who made this bet. In this situation the site was documented 100% correctly, just the house edge was advertised as 1% not 1.01% on old PD incorrectly. Primedice is 100% fair but our verification page text has mistakes on it and is inaccurate end of discussion. We will edit this page today (hopefully without error this time) |
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This is like PRC's "sjess" problem all over again, only worse.
Interesting
OK, so it's a different situation. At PRC dice they designed a bad provably fair algorithm that rolled 'high' too often, implemented the bad design perfectly, someone discovered it, exploited it, profited, but wasn't allowed to withdraw. At PD here the provably fair algorithm was bad during beta, I pointed it out, they fixed it, but didn't update the documentation or the verification script. I pointed that out and they tried to fix the verification script but got that wrong. So PRC had a bad design, correctly implemented and correctly documented. PD had a good design, correctly implemented but poorly documented. I expect Stunna would argue that the site is working as intended, that only the documentation is wrong, so "suck it". Except he'd use better words. I'm sorry for the lack of update in documentation, I was told this was updated probably about three times now but apparently it has not changed. I do not have a strong understanding of provably fair and will poke our main dev to resolve this today. RGB Key pointed out the same thing a few days ago but apparently the error was related to him using the wrong algorithm, will have our developer chime in later. |
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Looking to maybe add a form of "Rake back" to Primedice.
This would mean if you wager a certain amount the house edge would be lowered. Here's an example:
- User A has a total wagered 50 BTC. He then receives 0.1% of all his bets back (Win or lose) - Making house edge 0.81
- User B wagered of 200 BTC. He then receives 0.2% of all his bets back (Win or lose) - Making house edge 0.71
- User C had a total wagered of 1,000 BTC. He then receives 0.3% of all his bets back (Win or lose) - Making house edge 0.61
Sound good?
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A quick reminder of our daily giveaways!!  Current top leaders!!  |
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So I accidentally hit "MAX" today and this is what happened: https://i.imgur.com/re2PNEa.jpgThe good news is that I doubled my bet and rained the shit out of chat. The bad news is that everyone can see my bankroll now. ... Stunna: you should really create a secondary prompt to confirm max bets... Accidents might happen again.  There is text on roll button says confirm bla bla. That is not enough ?  Where do u look while u bet man ? Im so glad it ended up good for u ! Tnx for tip ! See yaa , have that crazy luck stick with u . Let me explain to you where I'm looking while betting, with one screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/ul00Gcn.jpgMultitasking is hard work!  This would make me dizzy to look at over a long period of time. Tons of issues are slowly being resolved, we're working through everything we can. |
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Do I have to be member or above to get this boosted rate ref link? I would like to use it Any bitcointalk user can get it as long as they currently have PD signature, just fill out the really quick form in the first post. I will apply the 20% rate in the morning. Primedice isn't loading for me so I can't make account  use this url, make sure you are on the newest version of chrome/firefox. We're fixing optimization issues within the next few days. |
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Do I have to be member or above to get this boosted rate ref link? I would like to use it Any bitcointalk user can get it as long as they currently have PD signature, just fill out the really quick form in the first post. I will apply the 20% rate in the morning. |
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I doubt anyone will take this on unless they have no alternative... a referral pool makes more sense since PD's main benefit was not direct links but company presence.
People are free to participate in pools at their own risk. |
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I dont understand stunna's edit part. What will he close again? So if I am already a participant beforehand will I get boot out of this sig camp?
Since there are around 100 senior members participating about half of them will be "fired" from the campaign the next two days. If you do not get a PM from me then you are good to go. Quality posters are safe. Will have a list of the survivors in 2 days. |
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Well I didn't think Micro did either, but it seems he has been in charge of sending out some other smaller payments before for something, so if Stunna had decided for whatever reason to let him or someone else issue the payments I could see the potential for them to run off with a big amount, but yeah, Stunna was probably being sarcastic (but sarcasm often doesn't translate well on the internet haha).
Was referring to myself , I'm sending the payouts Also I made a separate thread for affiliates: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745779.0Reference: still no payment
stunna said he was 1 click away from sending 8hr ago whats wrong!!!?
He probably ran off with the money, never quite liked that guy. |
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