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1261  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 12, 2013, 09:30:21 AM
Epic battle of bots going on right now.. most bids are 0.1 ones.






Death by a 1000 cuts...


Its a failure that gox or the other dont put a stop to it! They need to filter it out!
1262  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 12, 2013, 07:37:55 AM
lag.... and now drop in price.


1263  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why people are blaming MtGox issues for the price fall? on: April 12, 2013, 07:31:37 AM



death of a thousand cuts! ( stop the bot micro trading and the lag and all the bad goes with it! )
1264  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculation on MtGox 12 hour shutdown on: April 12, 2013, 07:29:33 AM



 
1265  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 12, 2013, 07:13:10 AM


It's a pity Gox doesn't have a base+percentage commission structure to keep all these nuisance transactions out.  They certainly can't be helping the situation.


Stop the micro trading via bots and the lag magically disappears! But then how would they get the mass panics to happen!

How about 02 at a time instead of 50!




Rinse repeat every-time there is a panic look for the bot traffic herding the mass panic!


It wont be enough to just keep quoting this!! We need this shit sticky'd!!! & mass attention!!

But oh yeah they profit at insane amounts when there is a panic! So its like asking them to cut off a toe!


Unless people speak up its rinse and repeat! regardless of adding ssd'd or 10 more servers or 10 more after that ...



Gox's support tool allows people to "upvote" tickets they agree with. Perhaps we should start a ticket requesting they fix the bot problem and get everyone to "upvote" it.


Just point me in the right direction but without an army behind me its just futile!! We need mass awareness and people need to speak out!! It could be bankers, government, gox themselves!!  All i know is its part of every mass panic!!!!!! We must dialog about this ..via support or in the forums!!  

What do you mean?


I mean just one person like me using a support ticket at gox will just get ignored! But if we make a public brooohhaaha over it and public-ally shame there arse into making changes!! We need like a dam reddit post and upvote it to death!!

Thanks for requoting !! helps awareness!! Right now is critical!! before they rinse and repeat!!!

I'll help support the ticket.

If all else fails i might go that route.. it just seems futile to start a ticket that wont get the nod! Kinda of like the white house ask us anything except about marijuana.. Great a public forum to ask anything of concern except ones you dont want to hear about! lolz

Requote!!  Cheers Smiley
1266  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculation on MtGox 12 hour shutdown on: April 12, 2013, 07:09:11 AM
TO zedicus:

Is the problem the bots themselves or lack of education by newb traders? I personally lost craploads of btc trading when I started because I had no idea what I was doing. Eventually you learn and are better for it is my attitude. Perhaps there should be some trading training site strongly suggested that people use before trading btc?


Youre so right we need sticky's for the noobs.. but ultimately bitcoin is moving way to fast and that should be positive. but the adoption rate vs the learning curve is just a loosing battle! So we really dont have a choice becasue "they"  are using bitcoins swagger against itself!

The more the flood gates open the more the fud campaigns rise because noobs are getting slaughters at the gates! Like you said its ok thats whats supposed to happen ...

Youre not gonna be an expert on day one! But this effect the liquidity of the sentiment of bitcoin in general! Bitcoin currently is like an apple product thats getting mass attention! Be arent even understanding its merits or its fundamentals and they are coming in droves!

when those droves turn into articles about life savings and suicide its going to attract negative mojo, via governments and the likes!!



If it was natural market conditions then we could safely laugh at the noobs and say to ourself yep ... we were once there!!


Ill reuse my example about basket ball.. if you ever watched someone learning to dunk then when they hit all rim and fall on there arse its hilarious but if someone was learning to dunk and you have a crowd throwing rocks and bottles at them as an on looker youre thinking hey thats fekked up!! That could be me when i was trying to learn!! Suddenly its not funny!

ddos and HFT bots with macro trading! Its the cause of the lag the mass panic the fud campaign!!

We can mitigate the ddos but the bots have to be dealt with! I understand there are alot of bot runners with no bad intensions and its unfair to say its all the bots but we need to filter this micro trading!!! asap!




1267  Economy / Speculation / Re: Speculation on MtGox 12 hour shutdown on: April 12, 2013, 06:47:44 AM
I bet when this starts back it will lag immediately and you'll see those tiny bot bids

Limiting tiny bids would be a good start. Or btc penalty for more than say 100 bids pr. hour.


DING DING DING !! We got a winner!!!! Im been trying to get awareness out and even started a thread but retards took it over!

ill quote myself to save time as its from multiple threads!! 


--------------------------
 
Ok now to the goods...

We got people attacking the community and bitcoin in general via ddos attacks and coordinated bot action !

Example! Ill quote myself from the other thread later but its not hard to see. We have issues outside of the DDOS which is obviously giving the exchanges a hard time!(! Not just mtgox either

The issues are a bots making trades under the minimum amount not doubt using high frequency trading algorithms that make purchases a few peanuts at a time !

The effect is they can make purchase via api and custom bots that come in a lot faster than regular traders can purchase.. so the bots just make a load of low price high volume trades(micro trades) and on lookers (noobs) staring at charts that they dont even understand are seeing red arrows pointing downwards and the price per bitcoin falling and they cant even make a trade because of the lag being put on the system because of the DDOS and the BOTS!!

It looks likes the price is tanking and it ensues a panic sell off at which point a crap load of people loose funds ( those people are the new comers whos confidence we need!!) we need onlookers and investors to embrace bitcoin. We dont need people looking at it like a noob slaughter house where you show up and get scammed out of your btc or fiat  money!


So the bots only have to initiate the landslide and the herd just follows like dumb arses!!


here is a quote from the other thread regarding micro trade filtering and DDOS!






(i was referring to mtdox when i said ask them)

ask em about that!!! Macro order flooding  via bots that trap out regular customer but computer systems dont get trapped out in a panic and they can drive it down via 50 a pop or smaller!! happens every-time is there is a panic! Like someone is manipulating !! Doesn't care about $ its micro manipulate and watch it tank! (look at the dam pics!!)

 Gox needs to filter out micro or macro trades or do something! Thats whats cause's the wild drops and panic !! Probably banks with some bots and endless fiat money!  Needs to be addressed!


Drive it down via those small trades and watch the herd jump ship ! Since there is no cooling period or auto shut off its disastrous! !

Thats whats gonna kill it!  We need a % slide rule and cooling period put in like the real wall-street trading platforms do!

If it falls by x amount they stop trading for x amount of time! "Cooling period"  Hours .. till the next day! Whatever .. something is better than nothing!




At this rate in this setup.. a foreign entity with negative intention's towards bitcoin could micro trades us to our deaths!




Look.. they switch it up .. this time 50c at a time!

Its the same bots!! getting in faster than everyone else to make the trades at 50c a pop and driving it downwards!
 while the regular folks are stuck watching .. trapped cant make a trade and just watch the landslide until they can stop the bleeding and get in to "sell".







Then after the herd sells the same bot operator grabs a crap load of cheap coins .. RINSE & Repeat!!


Happens every-time there is a panic !! EVERY-TIME!!




YOURE ARE BEING PLAYED LIKE A VIDEO GAME!!


Get mtgox and the other exchanges to acknowledge this and take steps!!

The wont unless there is massive pressure because they profit obnoxiously from these mass sell off .. to the tune of millions!!!!

they get a % of all the trades people!


1268  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 12, 2013, 06:24:43 AM


It's a pity Gox doesn't have a base+percentage commission structure to keep all these nuisance transactions out.  They certainly can't be helping the situation.


Stop the micro trading via bots and the lag magically disappears! But then how would they get the mass panics to happen!

How about 02 at a time instead of 50!




Rinse repeat every-time there is a panic look for the bot traffic herding the mass panic!


It wont be enough to just keep quoting this!! We need this shit sticky'd!!! & mass attention!!

But oh yeah they profit at insane amounts when there is a panic! So its like asking them to cut off a toe!


Unless people speak up its rinse and repeat! regardless of adding ssd'd or 10 more servers or 10 more after that ...



Gox's support tool allows people to "upvote" tickets they agree with. Perhaps we should start a ticket requesting they fix the bot problem and get everyone to "upvote" it.


Just point me in the right direction but without an army behind me its just futile!! We need mass awareness and people need to speak out!! It could be bankers, government, gox themselves!!  All i know is its part of every mass panic!!!!!! We must dialog about this ..via support or in the forums!!  

What do you mean?


I mean just one person like me using a support ticket at gox will just get ignored! But if we make a public brooohhaaha over it and public-ally shame there arse into making changes!! We need like a dam reddit post and upvote it to death!!

Thanks for requoting !! helps awareness!! Right now is critical!! before they rinse and repeat!!!
1269  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 12, 2013, 06:18:33 AM


It's a pity Gox doesn't have a base+percentage commission structure to keep all these nuisance transactions out.  They certainly can't be helping the situation.


Stop the micro trading via bots and the lag magically disappears! But then how would they get the mass panics to happen!

How about 02 at a time instead of 50!




Rinse repeat every-time there is a panic look for the bot traffic herding the mass panic!


It wont be enough to just keep quoting this!! We need this shit sticky'd!!! & mass attention!!

But oh yeah they profit at insane amounts when there is a panic! So its like asking them to cut off a toe!


Unless people speak up its rinse and repeat! regardless of adding ssd'd or 10 more servers or 10 more after that ...



Gox's support tool allows people to "upvote" tickets they agree with. Perhaps we should start a ticket requesting they fix the bot problem and get everyone to "upvote" it.


Just point me in the right direction but without an army behind me its just futile!! We need mass awareness and people need to speak out!! It could be bankers, government, gox themselves!!  All i know is its part of every mass panic!!!!!! We must dialog about this ..via support or in the forums!!  
1270  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 12, 2013, 06:09:16 AM


It's a pity Gox doesn't have a base+percentage commission structure to keep all these nuisance transactions out.  They certainly can't be helping the situation.


Stop the micro trading via bots and the lag magically disappears! But then how would they get the mass panics to happen!

How about 02 at a time instead of 50!




Rinse repeat every-time there is a panic look for the bot traffic herding the mass panic!

But oh yeah they profit at insane amounts when there is a panic! So its like asking them to cut off a toe!


Unless people speak up its rinse and repeat! regardless of adding ssd'd or 10 more servers or 10 more after that ...

1271  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 12, 2013, 05:40:07 AM

 

Ill quote comboy from bitcoinity  "shit could be worse"!

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/wall-street-robots-go-rogue-lose-10-million-a-minute
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/03/rogue-automatic-trading/


1272  Economy / Speculation / Re: Youre Being Lied too (crash) on: April 12, 2013, 03:16:27 AM
(points and laughs!!!!)  Cheesy

I must have hit home!


Thanks for keeping my thread at the top of spec!! Exactly what i wanted!!! Smiley Smiley
1273  Economy / Speculation / Re: Youre Being Lied too (crash) on: April 12, 2013, 03:12:43 AM
so if youre a chicken with no balls with bifocals like the bottom of coca cola bottles than a family portrait looks like this?


Is that home?
1274  Economy / Speculation / Re: Youre Being Lied too (crash) on: April 12, 2013, 02:55:43 AM

Can you see all my other wallets with those things!! LOLZ

1275  Economy / Speculation / Re: Youre Being Lied too (crash) on: April 12, 2013, 02:45:23 AM
"please" carry on .. keep this a sticky at the top of speculation... Show everyone youre not a chicken!

cmon tell em.. ---> Say i (state your name) am not a chicken .. i just said it because i have no balls.

wait that came out wrong.. but i cant stop (pointing and laughing)  Cheesy

 
1276  Economy / Speculation / Re: Youre Being Lied too (crash) on: April 12, 2013, 02:31:32 AM
Given what you have posted so far, that was all that was needed.

(points and laughs even harder)    Cheesy
1277  Economy / Speculation / Re: Youre Being Lied too (crash) on: April 12, 2013, 02:19:18 AM
You are the guy who is so sure he has all the answers. Coupled with the most eloquent delivery and finest rebuttal of all naysayers that I have ever seen. Why its a wonder I even continue posting when you have so deftly cut me with your perilous wit.

Or maybe you are fucking barking mad. you dunce.


Thats really the best you got?  (points and laughs)!!  Cheesy
1278  Economy / Speculation / Re: Youre Being Lied too (crash) on: April 12, 2013, 02:10:51 AM
You'll find its reading what you write that I have trouble with.

Chickens dont read they gawwk.. hence youre trouble. Might explain why everyone else chiming in and giving input and you are just pissing on youreself..

 now if you dont have anything to say about micro trades or ddos or exchanges! kick rocks..
1279  Economy / Speculation / Re: MtGox Re-Opening on: April 12, 2013, 02:07:42 AM
low blow!! LOLZ

1280  Economy / Speculation / Re: Youre Being Lied too (crash) on: April 12, 2013, 02:04:55 AM
^^ "Maybe you should reserve talking for everyone else its clearly not working for you!"
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