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The "you get what you deserve/you don't get what you don't deserve" is quite a neoliberal thinking that puts the merit and the blame on the individual. In almost everything in life, luck plays an important (many times decisive) role in one's success, and crypto is not any different.
We cam agree that doing your own research, managing risk, having the vision where others don't, etc. is key to succeed, but even more important is the fact that, if the market goes up, you'll almost certainly win, and if the market goes down you'll almost certainly lose.
So don't blame on you if you lost money because it is natural and you were brave enough to try, but don't believe that you are any better than others if you won it instead, because it could've been the other way too and what market decides doesn't depend on you.
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✂️ LOL! you made me blush cygan   ✂️ was also a bit my intention - all good  i have the following thread [1] for our aobt community, which you can translate into greek (@BlackHatCoiner), romanian (@GazetaBitcoin), russian (@zasad@), turkish (@mindrust), italian (@Ale88), spanish (@Porfirii) and portuguese (@gagux123) - the thread will be translated into french by one of our crew members this 'small' thread is about the Icarus project that produces crypto collectible cards and is managed by me as ceo and 3 other forum users. through the translations (first in the european regions) we want to make ourselves more noticeable/visible. i would also be very happy if you would keep your translated thread up to date with our news/updates [1][ANN - INFO] Project Icarus: The forum redemption story 🔐I will personally translate it this weekend cygan  , let's see if the rest of the mentioned members also agree. Or do you want us to add it to the official list and get 10 translations? Maybe fewer languages grant you greater control on the updates in local boards. Think about it and let us know if you prefer it that way instead. |
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¡Gracias Porf por tus esfuerzos por comprender y realizar esta traducción para la sección local en español! ¡Gracias igualmente por intentar ayudar a tu comunidad con ideas y sugerencias para mejorar la calidad de los posts! No es una tarea fácil, pero se puede lograr a través de un esfuerzo colectivo. Hay unos pocos usuarios del foro que trabajan en beneficio del foro en su conjunto, tratando de ayudar a mejorarlo y tú eres uno de ellos. ¡Enhorabuena por realizar esta traducción!
Gracias Gazeta, últimamente me estáis haciendo sonrojar, y todavía me lo voy a acabar creyendo  En cuanto a la traducción, para ser sinceros la calidad en esta sección local en español es muy buena, y la única excepción que mencionaría sería la de algún newbie o, más bien, la de cuentas recién creadas con el único propósito de anunciar o hacer una consulta puntual, que en raras ocasiones vuelven, y de las que tampoco se puede exigir unos altos estándares de calidad en su prosa. Pero bueno, siempre quedará para la reflexión personal. |
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First of all, gambling has nothing to do with investments. Gambling is a game, an expensive hobby, and like with many other hobbies, you have to keep your sanity and enjoy it in moderation. It is not all black, but not all white either.
If you want money to start your own business, you should work hard for it instead of only relying on luck. Maybe this way you learn something valuable in the meantime, and make some extra money to gamble without the pressure of having to win at all cost in order to get the fulfilling life you and your family deserve.
I am aware that gambling is just a mere speculation of event and nothing is certain but then same thing applies to investing, the level of uncertainty in investing is inevitable and cannot be overlooked, just like any investment gambling involves profit and loss, it might not be an investment plan for the bettor but it definitely is for the casinos and online gambling site owners. So you can see how similar they all are. The context of the post is not to make people rely on gambling after all we all know that gambling is mainly for the fun and shouldn’t be used as a major source of income. Being a source of income for the casino owners makes it an investment for that person. Also it is not new that gambling as really help a lot of people to gather up capital to start a new business for themselves, with right strategy and discipline anybody can achieve success in gambling. Gambling is a game of chance, and hence the theory of probability and chance calculations apply in full measure. Moreover, those who depend on gambling to either become rich or to make a livelihood are basically who are lazy and don't wish to work . Easy money makes one greedy also. I have seen several people lose everything after they won the first round..out of sheer greed to win more. Life has an element of luck in it, but is not totally based on luck. Yes, almost no investment is risk-free, but they usually offer, ceteris paribus, a reasonable expectation of gain. We cannot say the same about gambling, where you have to beat odds that are against you by definition. And saying that it is an investment for the casino owners, well, what can I say? you're right, but it has nothing to do with the topic you started and we are discussing here, which is focused on the gambler's perspective. |
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Anyway, I can only agree: whenever you have an important problem you can't solve yourself it is usually advisable to look for help, and with addictions is not any different (in fact, seeking help is specially important to avoid derailing if you see the first symthoms). This way you(or your relative) will save much more money in the long term than the price of the consultation, and prevent further problems linked to impulsiveness.
True. Problem here is that many people especially the ones living in 3rd world countries feel that trying to treat mental issues like gambling addiction could affect their reputation in society negatively which is why they avoid going to psychologists. They end up making things worse for themselves usually due to those silly reasons. Now that you mentioned developing countries, another problem that they should face would be that not everybody has enough money to pay a specialist to help him/her, so I suppose that the problem is harder to solve there because of poverty, not to mention social stigma linked to believing that only insane people need therapy. In such cases, family and friends should prioritize and save the money to pay for the therapy. The good thing is that a consultation is often cheaper there than in other regions of the world, but tools and attention might be worse too. |
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No estaba enterado que el tema de la computación cuántos estuviese estigmatizado a tal punto como lo señalas en la parte anglosajona del foro, para ser honesto. Creo que este clase de temas no deberían ser estigmatizados o evadidos en el foro, sino más bien surgir más de ellos con el tiempo, en pro de recordarlo constante de las amenazas tangentes que puede encontrar Bitcoin en el futuro como el asset decentralized que es.-snip- Pues así es, coincido con fM: los comentarios que vengo leyendo en el norte sobre el tema los últimos años son la razón por la que hasta ahora me ha preocupado bastante poco este tema (si quienes realmente saben no lo han hecho, ¿por qué debería yo, ignorante en la materia?). Pero, bombo comercial aparte, los últimos documentos que estoy leyendo sobre IA y cuántica, aunque no pasan de la mera divulgación, no me parecen muy halagüeños. ¿No estaremos (estarán) haciendo como el avestruz, que por no mirar a los ojos de su depredador, piensa que el riesgo es menor del real? espero que no, y que no se esté cayendo en la complacencia ni la confirmación. |
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Se trata solo de dos casos los que mencionas y suman 110K BTC, lo cual es una verdadera barbaridad (5,6% del volumen en circulación, contando los Bitcoin "durmientes" de los cuales probablemente muchos se hayan perdido para siempre.
Supongo que dichos Bitcoin saldrán a subasta pública, algún día (las cosas de palacio van despacio), y se volverán a dispersar; o no, no sé cómo lo harán pero quizá se vendan a un pequeño número de mejores postores. Bueno, mejor que en manos de la mafia China ya estarán, supongo.
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What a good news! Day after day we are managing to complete the translations By the way, I finished another translation, Porf, you're so kind, could you please update the OP? -snip- Portuguese Version: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483476.0Thank you gagux, updated As Gazeta said, only 2 more to go!! Thank you all, great teamwork: we are finishing the pending tasks at a very good pace. -snip- so there would be enough work for our aobt guys if our boss (Porfirii) approves this thread for translation   LOL! you made me blush cygan No boss, just a humble moderator: rule nr.1 of the AoBT. We are all equal, the only difference is that we are from different local boards  Let's wait a few days and approve the next thread all together. |
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If it was too late, I'm not any specialist, so I'd try to find a good one myself and ask him/her for advice about how to proceed before making things even worse.
I would choose neither because there is a 3rd option which I feel is even better than those two options and that is taking him/her to a psychologist/gambling addiction group who could help in a big way.
Most people don't easily listen to their family members which is why a third person perspective helps in such cases.
LOL, that's what I said in the post immediately preceding yours. Anyway, I can only agree: whenever you have an important problem you can't solve yourself it is usually advisable to look for help, and with addictions is not any different (in fact, seeking help is specially important to avoid derailing if you see the first symthoms). This way you(or your relative) will save much more money in the long term than the price of the consultation, and prevent further problems linked to impulsiveness. |
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Some notepads are also tracking tools which collects information about you, so you should limit your usage.
I agree. We are increasingly relying on more and more tools to do what we've always done without them, and this is a problem. If you want to use Notepad yourself it's up to you, but I wouldn't advice something like that to the rest of the members of the forum, especially when you get no substantial advantage by using it, and you may be contributing to deanonymize yourself. I think that I'm not wrong if I say that Satoshi wouldn't use it. |
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Lo comentaba de soslayo el otro día, pero otras voces apuntan a que los avances en IA (según comentas, ha bajado la inversión en computación cuántica, pero tras el hype de 2023 supongo que habrá aumentado el de inteligencia artificial) podrían contribuir a acelerar también los avances en esta otra disciplina. Dentro de las limitaciones propias, hoy por hoy, de la IA, lo que sí parece es que es muy útil entornos cerrados basados en datos (se hablaba de millones de ensayos clínicos en el tiempo en el que hasta hace poco se hacían solo unos pocos), y me temo que el descifrado criptográfico pueda sucumbir a dichos avances.
Comentan hace años que, si tal fuera el caso, se podría aumentar la dificultad de los algoritmos de seguridad de Bitcoin. Supongo que los legos en estas cuestiones tenemos que conformarnos con hablar de oídas.
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Good day dear Porfirii ! Thank you for your reply. Yes, of course, the social part for the benefit of the community should be, and I have a positive attitude to it ! I have corrected my data. DrBeer, I'm glad to tell you that you've been accepted as our back-up Russian translator! Please, stay tuned for the official announcement at the end of the week to know if we accept you also for Ukrainian language.
nalain420 and r_victory, the above doesn't mean that you weren't accepted. Please, wait for the announcement too Edit: r_victory, you're accepted too as our Portuguese back-up translator please, if you don't mind, let us know if you are Portuguese or Brazilian.
Great job, Husna QA! Now this translation is finished at last! Porf, are you so kind, please, to update it in OP and move the topic to finished section? Updated and moved to our list of finished translations. This is not the best week to make more decisions, but I think that next week we should pick the new topic to translate in our local boards. |
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First of all, gambling has nothing to do with investments. Gambling is a game, an expensive hobby, and like with many other hobbies, you have to keep your sanity and enjoy it in moderation. It is not all black, but not all white either.
If you want money to start your own business, you should work hard for it instead of only relying on luck. Maybe this way you learn something valuable in the meantime, and make some extra money to gamble without the pressure of having to win at all cost in order to get the fulfilling life you and your family deserve.
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It is always a good advice to go for the browser version of any service instead of installing the App in your smartphone: the data they are able to collect from you are much less via browser, and it is easier to control which you share. Of course, you have to trust your browser, but I think that they are safer from the design.
And, even better, do the exercise of evaluating which services are worth using and stop using all those you think that are dispensable. Not only from the point of view of security, but for a better use of your time too.
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First of all, if it had been possible I'd have ended the addiction before it started, giving good advice and raising his/her curiosity about how gambling really works and why it is not a good idea to lose control in the quest for that great jackpot thad doesn't depend on how much money you stake or how hard you try.
If it was too late, I'm not any specialist, so I'd try to find a good one myself and ask him/her for advice about how to proceed before making things even worse.
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Últimamente me viene a la cabeza un tema de trust que es el siguiente: ¿se debería de dejar feedback positivo a los managers por hacer el trabajo que se supone que deben de hacer? Veo que muchos managers tienen feedback positivo de participantes en sus campañas diciendo que es un buen manager y tal. Y como veo que todo el mundo lo hace pues me planteo hacerlo también, pero hasta ahora no lo había hecho porque simplemente es su trabajo. Tendría más sentido dejarles feedback negativo si se quedan el dinero de la campaña y no pagan que si hacen lo que se supone. Pero como veo tanta gente dejando ese tipo de tags me planteo si el que estoy equivocado soy yo.
Nunca lo he hecho, pero tiene sentido, de hecho, bastante más que dar trust positivo o negativo por lo bien o mal que a uno le caiga el usuario de turno. Si manejan cantidades de dinero de manera leal, el trust es merecido. Otra cosa es que en la campaña haya 100 participantes y se lleve (digamos) trust de la mitad de ellos: no es lo mismo llevar una campaña que realizar 50 transacciones individuales con causa distinta y espaciadas en el tiempo. No sé para vosotros pero, para mí, lo segundo cuenta más. De todos modos, replanteándome la respuesta al título del hilo, cuanto más conozco a los miembros más activos del foro, menos credibilidad le doy al trust. |
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Furthermore ,I Dont know How much you like the forum , But To me this is the best forum I have ever joined in life with a higher prospect , here I see people contribute awesomely And knowledgeably To a particular discussion , people relate like brothers And Sisters , High ranked members always correct the newbies And many more .
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I have to agree with you, JMBitcointernational. Even when business are made here, most users remain loyal to their principles and don't lie to make money: that's not what we can see lately in other social platforms, where you can't be sure where truth ends and tricky lies begin. This beautiful forum has given us so much, many veteran members feel happy to return what they received in the form of shared knowledge. Furthermore, many of us have a kind of moral obligation to do our best to honor this agora Satoshi himself founded more than a decade ago. |
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Dear AoBT-ers,
I've just sent you a PM in relation to what we talked about last week. Taking into account the magnitude of the decisions to be made, please, answer/vote sensibly before the week is over or forever hold your peace.
If any of the members involved didn't read the last message and want to add something, now is the time to do so: please, respond in private so the rest of us can reconsider our thoughts before the deadline.
I'll make an important announcement here next Monday, as soon as we have the final results.
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Apart from the interesting topics other members shared by Dr.Bitcoin_Strange in this thread, you can also read 1miau's and GazetaBitcoin's thread about how to improve your posting quality. The topic is meant to boost excellence in local boards, but most of the advice given there can be also applied to the forum in general. |
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He put his two-year-old twins in great danger by leaving them home alone for a long time while he gambled, which is a very bad and careless thing for the father to do. -snip- As a reminder, people should be good parents and get help if they are having problems with compulsive habits that could put the safety of their family at risk.
I don't think this is only a matter of being a good father or gambling addiction, but about some sort of mental illness. Children were with an aggressive dog, which is not the best indicator about the father's mental sanity, not to mention child abuse! Some people are psychopaths, and whatever decisions they make are not good. The news puts the focus on the fact that he went gambling, but without more info we can only make conclusions that can be true, or not. |
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