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December 06, 2019, 10:17:18 AM
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This topic has been discussed for over 3 years now lol

You said it right. Flat earth = global mirth. Hence the LOL.

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December 06, 2019, 10:28:02 AM
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^^^ Your attempt to debunk that encyclopedia entry with .gov propaganda and tar me as a fool is a bad joke, let me explain:

   The encyclopedia article says the dome is 13,000 feet high "at about latitude 80°S., longitude 90°E.", and you claim I'm a fool because there's a mountain at "80°22′ S 77°22′ E" with dome in its name.

I'm not "debunking" anything. I'm just telling you that the encyclopedia is referring to Dome Argus, which is at about latitude 80°S., longitude 90°E and has an elevation of 13000 feet. Do you really think that an encyclopedia would mention the dome covering the earth? It's a mainstream publication written by mainstream scientists.

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December 06, 2019, 12:12:57 PM
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^^^ I'll admit it's possible I'm wrong about the encyclopedia entry, like you say it is a mainstream publication however, [80°22′S 77°22′E] is located 150 miles away from [80°S 90°E] so you're an idiot for claiming the entry refers to Dome Argus.
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December 06, 2019, 12:40:05 PM
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This topic has been discussed for over 3 years now lol

You said it right. Flat earth = global mirth. Hence the LOL.

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I have read more than 5 pages on this topic and I did not understand the problem, you are very funny.
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December 06, 2019, 02:17:11 PM
Last edit: December 06, 2019, 03:17:27 PM by ðºÞæ
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^^^ Your attempt to debunk that encyclopedia entry with .gov propaganda and tar me as a fool is a bad joke, let me explain:

   The encyclopedia article says the dome is 13,000 feet high "at about latitude 80°S., longitude 90°E.", and you claim I'm a fool because there's a mountain at "80°22′ S 77°22′ E" with dome in its name.

I'm not "debunking" anything. I'm just telling you that the encyclopedia is referring to Dome Argus, which is at about latitude 80°S., longitude 90°E and has an elevation of 13000 feet. Do you really think that an encyclopedia would mention the dome covering the earth? It's a mainstream publication written by mainstream scientists.

Dome A or Dome Argus is at 77°21′ E unless encyclopedia is wrong.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg53272199#msg53272199

http://www.antarctica.gov.au/living-and-working/stations/other-locations/dome-a

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December 06, 2019, 04:15:52 PM
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A globalists conception of Antarctic circumnavigation:






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December 06, 2019, 11:35:40 PM
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^^^ Joker never heard of tacking.     Cool

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December 07, 2019, 04:22:43 AM
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@odolvlobo, you're correct about the encyclopedia entry. The highlighted sentence is describing the features of the land. As you point out nearby mountains are referred to as "domes" due, most likely to their featureless nature.


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In regards to the setting sun, the refractive effect of looming is not taken into account by "modern science"; the heliocentric model is assumed thus a refractive effect causing magnification due to an atmospheric plane is excluded from consideration. However when the scientific method is applied the refractive effect of looming can be experimentally observed to occur over relatively long distances and must apply to the sun.

You need to realize that "modern scientists" wander off through mathematical models based on assumptions and presuppositions and end up on a mad carnival ride spinning in their mind.

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December 07, 2019, 05:45:57 AM
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Skipping 5 min and go straight to the relevant point of this thread in this top class clip.
https://youtu.be/QXiM5PMHwfQ?t=304


The flight "beyond" south pole
https://youtu.be/H0bX93Snk0M?t=1130
Would it make sense to have a major US Antarctic station next to a warm fresh water lake, the closest station are Russian Vostok and Chinese Kunlun.

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Shackleton Ice Shelf 100° 0′ 0″ E https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shackleton_Ice_Shelf
Lake Vostok 106° 0′ 0″ E https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vostok
Russian Antarctic Station Vostok 106° 50′ 15.25″ E https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_Station
Geomagnetic South Pole 80.5°S 107.2°E


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December 07, 2019, 04:32:04 PM
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@ðºÞæ I don't like that first video, his excessively liberal use of the word proof just muddies the waters; it adds nothing to the discussion.

When the globe theory is tested experimentally it fails horrifically on multiple levels. The earth is flat for as far as modern optics can see and no motion can be measured.

The real argument here is about the firmament and intelligent design. I can go on about rainbows, meteorites and the fact a pressure gradient can't exist without a container next to a vacuum but, access to Antarctica could settle this question directly.
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December 07, 2019, 05:19:30 PM
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Flat Earthers Are Planning A Cruise In 2020 To Get To ‘The Edge Of The World'  Cheesy

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And now, the Flat Earthers are finally going out on a mission to prove their point. They are planning a cruise to reach the edge of the Earth and finally get to those ‘secret’ ice walls surrounding the edge of the Earth. Their adventure is scheduled for 2020 as per their website. This might be their ultimate shot at proving that the Earth is flat. While many of the details about the date and other aspects of this event are still pending, the Flat Earth Society claims that it would be one of the bravest adventures to date. However, there is an irony attached to this great scheme.


All the nautical maps and navigation tools currently present in this world are based on the concept of the globe-like earth. That’s how modern navigation technologies like GPS (Global Positioning System) has been developed too. They can even be considered as proof for the round shape of the earth. But then again, ironies come as part and parcel when we are talking about flat earthers.


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Flat Earthers Are Planning A Cruise In 2020 To Get To ‘The Edge Of The World'  Cheesy

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And now, the Flat Earthers are finally going out on a mission to prove their point. They are planning a cruise to reach the edge of the Earth and finally get to those ‘secret’ ice walls surrounding the edge of the Earth. Their adventure is scheduled for 2020 as per their website. This might be their ultimate shot at proving that the Earth is flat. While many of the details about the date and other aspects of this event are still pending, the Flat Earth Society claims that it would be one of the bravest adventures to date. However, there is an irony attached to this great scheme.


All the nautical maps and navigation tools currently present in this world are based on the concept of the globe-like earth. That’s how modern navigation technologies like GPS (Global Positioning System) has been developed too. They can even be considered as proof for the round shape of the earth. But then again, ironies come as part and parcel when we are talking about flat earthers.


That's only a denominational distinction. Some of them believe that the ice ring (their version of Antarctica) goes on indefinitely. Others of them want to mount a dog-sled expedition to see if they can reach the dome touch-down area on the ice. It's all based on the particular denomination they believe in.

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December 07, 2019, 08:20:06 PM
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Thats a rather interesting topographic map especially in regards to Greenland, Antarctic and also how big Himalaya plateau is compared to Andes.

The brown area straight down from India, dome Argus, Queen Alexandra Range and Queen Elizabeth Range at far right.
https://imgur.com/AnqGMbN
If Antarctica is the outer boundary it looks a bit "leaky", doesn't it?




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December 07, 2019, 10:25:21 PM
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Thats a rather interesting topographic map especially in regards to Greenland, Antarctic and also how big Himalaya plateau is compared to Andes.

The brown area straight down from India, dome Argus, Queen Alexandra Range far right and Queen Elizabeth Range far left.
https://imgur.com/AnqGMbN
If Antarctica is the outer boundary it looks a bit "leaky", doesn't it?




Leaky because there are two holes that go to hollow Earth. One is at the top. The other is at the bottom. I think they are trying to make a transportation tunnel out of it. A faster way past the flatness.

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December 07, 2019, 11:15:25 PM
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In regards to the setting sun, the refractive effect of looming is not taken into account by "modern science"; the heliocentric model is assumed thus a refractive effect causing magnification due to an atmospheric plane is excluded from consideration. However when the scientific method is applied the refractive effect of looming can be experimentally observed to occur over relatively long distances and must apply to the sun.

First, looming is taken into account with the setting sun. It is what causes the sun to appear to flatten out as it sets.

I assume that you are using looming/refraction here to explain why the sun does not shrink as it gets farther away, but I think that your explanation raises more questions than it answers.

Can the effect be enough to account for the 3x magnification that would be necessary for the sun to be the same size when it is overhead and at dawn and dusk at the equator, and the 6x magnification necessary at the southern edge?

Why aren't other objects magnified like this? As other objects get farther away, their sizes should also be magnified in the same way.

The looming effect raises the apparent elevation of an object, and globe believers use this to explain how we can see the tops of objects that should be below the horizon. How can the flat earth model reject looming in this case but accept it as the reason that the size of the sun doesn't change? Actually, I don't understand how looming is associated with magnification in the first place.

How does the flat earth model explain the setting sun? It can't be looming or even refraction in general because those have the opposite effect.

You need to realize that "modern scientists" wander off through mathematical models based on assumptions and presuppositions and end up on a mad carnival ride spinning in their mind.

Accurate predictions by a mathematical or physical model affirms the validity of the model. That is science. On the other hand, I agree with you that some physicists can wander into fantasy land with their mathematical models. Some will create a mathematical model in order to generate hypotheses and then end up just presupposing that the model is valid.

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December 07, 2019, 11:45:57 PM
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@Paashaas that Antarctic cruse story is literal fake news.
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December 08, 2019, 12:09:15 AM
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get on a plan and keep travelling in the same direction. you eventually loop around and come back to the point you started at without falling off an edge and without going into the infinite void of space

im starting to think flat earthers have never got out of their basement to even experience the real world and definetly not a plane ride

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@odolvlobo,


"...looming is taken into account with the setting sun. It is what causes the sun to appear to flatten out as it sets..."
  The flattening effect with the setting sun is caused by perspective, foreshortening occurs as the sun approaches the angular resolution limit of the observer. This is not a refractive effect.


"...you are using looming/refraction here to explain why the sun does not shrink as it gets farther away, but I think that your explanation raises more questions than it answers.

Can the effect be enough to account for the 3x magnification that would be necessary for the sun to be the same size when it is overhead and at dawn and dusk at the equator, and the 6x magnification necessary at the southern edge?

Why aren't other objects magnified like this? As other objects get farther away, their sizes should also be magnified in the same way..."

  Other objects are magnified via looming i.e. any object in the distance that is loomed... eh?

The atmosphere is a plane thus the looming effect is linear in nature and a function of distance from the observer, it accounts for what is observed perfectly.


"...The looming effect raises the apparent elevation of an object, and globe believers use this to explain how we can see the tops of objects that should be below the horizon. How can the flat earth model reject looming in this case but accept it as the reason that the size of the sun doesn't change? Actually, I don't understand how looming is associated with magnification in the first place..."
  Looming raises the apparent elevation of an object because the object is enlarged, clearly I'm not rejecting the effect.


"...How does the flat earth model explain the setting sun? It can't be looming or even refraction in general because those have the opposite effect..."
  Your understanding of refractive looming is incorrect, it causes magnification not just an apparent elevation rise. That combined with perspective foreshortening accounts for what is observed at sunset.
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December 08, 2019, 01:48:33 AM
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One of the most important understandings about FE science is the fact that it is layman oriented.

A formal, educated scientist knows how to show the fallacies of FE science easily. The layman knows some science, but has to think his way through what the FE people are saying, because he doesn't do this science thing everyday. By the time he has figured the thing out, he has started to fall for the lure of FE non-science. It's an easy step to go the rest of the way and say, "Wow. Maybe FE people are right."

One of the easiest ways a layman can protect himself from FE propaganda is, find some solid GE science, and then simply say, "I'm not a professional scientist. The professionals have seen through this FE garbage long ago." And then to go somewhere else for entertainment.

The point is, FE scientists are definitely professionals... at least some of them. But more than that, they are professional liars, and professional brainwashers.

How dare you talk about us poor little FE people like that? All we are trying to do is innocently show people how they have been lied to by mainstream science... blah, blah, blah.

They play on your emotions. They are professional salesmen playing a game with you. Consider notbatman, sitting back and chuckling to himself, "Four years and more than 800 pages. Who could have dreamed there are so many gullible people?"

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