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February 02, 2019, 02:48:07 PM
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Last edit: February 02, 2019, 05:00:51 PM by notbatman
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^^^ Asking for a picture of a mirror in darkened room without a flash powerful enough to illuminate even a small section is a tall order. There's evidence for the dome but mostly in the form indirect observations and measurements.

Meteorites made from manufactured steel could be considered direct evidence of an engineered structure above us. Lasers can be bounced off the dome as a method of directly measuring the shape.

As far a pictures go a rainbow takes the shape of the dome.

There's lots of indirect evidence such as the holographic nature of the celestial objects and their measured (sextant) values, the electric field it produces, the requirement of pressure vessel needed to hold the atmosphere and, microwave & high energy cosmic rays. This is just to name a few.

Darkened room? What do you mean by that, just take the picture when the sun is shining, also what is the dome, transparent glass or a mirror?







1. During the day you'll observe the sky is generally blue or overcast and very much opaque, however as you can see from the above image there are some phenomenon that can still be photographed.

2. Based on my analysis of meteorite fragments the dome (firmament) is manufactured from a nickel-iron long-grain damascus type steel alloy with a gold colour optically reflective oxide layer. Measurements of the Sun and Moon's elevation with a sextant indicates they reflect off of the dome at a height of about ~3,000 miles.




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February 02, 2019, 05:41:33 PM
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... only because Batman understands that the earth is a globe.

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February 02, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
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And if the sun was 10x further, and 10x bigger, it would appear the same size in the sky, and your saxtant would have the same measurement on it, including
the angles on the airplane.



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February 02, 2019, 06:17:18 PM
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If you use a sextant or a transit to triangulate with the sun and several different stars at a particular time of the year, and then triangulate with the same stars and the sun 90 days later, and then triangulate the triangulations, together, the distance of the sun from the earth can be ascertained to be about 90 million miles. You can use the calc to find the rough diameter of the sun to be +/- 800,000 miles.

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February 02, 2019, 06:32:35 PM
Last edit: February 02, 2019, 08:16:51 PM by notbatman
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And if the sun was 10x further, and 10x bigger, it would appear the same size in the sky, and your saxtant would have the same measurement on it, including
the angles on the airplane.



Angular size requires the horizon and two sextant readings!
ANGULAR SIZE:

[source: http://www.thechironcenter.com/grade-7-perspective-drawing.html]



Apparent size does not require the horizon and only needs a single sextant reading!
APPARENT SIZE:

[source: re-purposed pseudoscience image]



With angular size the angle never changes so long as it hasn't past the vanishing point, it's a constant that correlates with physical size; 1 mile = 1 minute.








 

If it turns out that airplanes do in fact catalyze air into fuel and they're scamming everybody on fuel cost, then what was the source of the kerosene accelerated fire that melted all those steel beams on 9/11?











If you use a sextant or a transit to triangulate with the sun and several different stars at a particular time of the year, and then triangulate with the same stars and the sun 90 days later, and then triangulate the triangulations, together, the distance of the sun from the earth can be ascertained to be about 90 million miles. You can use the calc to find the rough diameter of the sun to be +/- 800,000 miles.

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Your margin of error is about ~89,999,666 miles if you factor refraction (WARNING: DO NOT USE REFRACTION TABLES FROM NASA!) into the equation. You're also assuming the Earth is a sphere, the fact you made an assumption limits the validity of your evidence; petitio principii, or at least a variant thereof.

Try measuring the Sun's size directly with the sextant (32 minutes in diameter) and you'll get much more accurate results.
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February 02, 2019, 09:00:12 PM
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If you use a sextant or a transit to triangulate with the sun and several different stars at a particular time of the year, and then triangulate with the same stars and the sun 90 days later, and then triangulate the triangulations, together, the distance of the sun from the earth can be ascertained to be about 90 million miles. You can use the calc to find the rough diameter of the sun to be +/- 800,000 miles.

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Your margin of error is about ~89,999,666 miles if you factor refraction (WARNING: DO NOT USE REFRACTION TABLES FROM NASA!) into the equation. You're also assuming the Earth is a sphere, the fact you made an assumption limits the validity of your evidence; petitio principii, or at least a variant thereof.

Try measuring the Sun's size directly with the sextant (32 minutes in diameter) and you'll get much more accurate results.

Okay. Thanks. Didn't realize you didn't want to use anything regarding sight, or photo-sensitivity for determining the shape of the earth.

How does triangulation suggest that the earth is a sphere? (Note that we are using photo-sensitivity assumptions again.) Simply using the same time of day for making geometric trig measurements doesn't need a sphere in any of it. All we are doing is determining the distance to the sun, and then the diameter of the sun off that distance.

For example - and I forget your figures, etc. - if the sun is 3000 miles in diameter, and is directly overhead for you, and is well within the 18,000 miles to the top of the dome from earth... somebody who is thousands of miles away from you should see a smaller sun. But he doesn't. The sun is always the same size to everybody no matter where he looks at it from. This suggests that the sun is much larger and more distant that you seem to think. The idea that refraction makes it look bigger than it is from further away, doesn't have its base in science or simple observation. In fact, it's the opposite.

Since we can't use photo-sensitivity - sight or telescopes, or probably radar since it has to do with the electromagnetic spectrum - why would you think that the earth is flat, and that the sun is only less than 18,000 miles away? If your error is in the range of 90 million miles factoring in refraction, why would you think it is any better at close range?

Math and many science experiments show that the refractive index is not any 90 million miles off. If it were, Sagnac, Michelson Morley, and Airy wouldn't have any bearing on anything, one way or another. Yet you quote these guys and refer to them all the time. Or is it that you think that they were wrong this way but not that?

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February 02, 2019, 09:26:08 PM
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^^^ When I stated 1 mile = 1 minute and that the Sun is 32 minutes in diameter, how exactly did you get 3,000 miles?





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You assume the stars are flat due to claiming they're gazillions of miles away (with an apparent size of less than the plank length AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!) this implies the curvature that can be derived from the measurements you're making is due to the Earth curving (re: Aristotle). I'm fairly sure I can also derive curvature (the framework for applying it at least) from whatever equations you're using and show you're making an assumption purely on a mathematical basis.
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^^^ When I stated 1 mile = 1 minute and that the Sun is 32 minutes in diameter, how exactly did you get 3,000 miles?
You are ignoring the point. The point is that the sun appears smaller from further away, not larger or the same. But the amount is far less than it would be if the dome were only the approximately 18,000 miles high at the center that you seem to think.





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So much for their claims, looks like the Sun does shrink when atmospheric conditions are right.
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You assume the stars are flat due to claiming they're gazillions of miles away (with an apparent size of less than the plank length AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!) this implies the curvature that can be derived from the measurements you're making is due to the Earth curving (re: Aristotle). I'm fairly sure I can also derive curvature (the framework for applying it at least) from whatever equations you're using and show you're making an assumption purely on a mathematical basis.

Actually, so much for your claim. If you get atmospheric conditions just right, you can't see the sun at all... like at night.

As far as flat stars go, have you been out there to visit one of them lately? Why do you think that I have?

Star measurements are made from the center of the star, even if you can't lock in on it. If measuring off stars is assumptions, Sagnac, Michelson Morley, and Airy are assumptions, and flat earth fails because you have been placing your trust in them, even though you are backwards.

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There will be no end to us arguing about whether the earth is round or flat because someone has their own opinions and thoughts. We should not debate things like this, because problems like this are only one solution, namely mutual respect for the opinions of other people.

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There will be no end to us arguing about whether the earth is round or flat because someone has their own opinions and thoughts. We should not debate things like this, because problems like this are only one solution, namely mutual respect for the opinions of other people.

The reading taken from a caliper for example is not a matter of opinion, so fuck off with your bullshit.








"... You are ignoring the point. The point is that the sun appears smaller from further away, not larger or the same. But the amount is far less than it would be if the dome were only the approximately 18,000 3,000 [FTFY] miles high at the center that you seem to think. ..."
No I'm not ignoring the point, I clearly defined the difference between apparent visual size and angular size in post #14537.



"... Actually, so much for your claim. If you get atmospheric conditions just right, you can't see the sun at all... like at night. ..."
Day and night are not the result of atmospheric conditions.



"... Star measurements are made from the center of the star, even if you can't lock in on it. If measuring off stars is assumptions, Sagnac, Michelson Morley, and Airy are assumptions, and flat earth fails because you have been placing your trust in them, even though you are backwards. ..."
1. You're completely ignoring refraction, the optical displacement caused is far too great by many orders of magnitude to be corrected by any minor adjustments.
2. None of the established experiments you listed made any assumptions and two of them don't even involve star light.
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There will be no end to us arguing about whether the earth is round or flat because someone has their own opinions and thoughts. We should not debate things like this, because problems like this are only one solution, namely mutual respect for the opinions of other people.

The reading taken from a caliper for example is not a matter of opinion, so fuck off with your bullshit.








"... You are ignoring the point. The point is that the sun appears smaller from further away, not larger or the same. But the amount is far less than it would be if the dome were only the approximately 18,000 3,000 [FTFY] miles high at the center that you seem to think. ..."
No I'm not ignoring the point, I clearly defined the difference between apparent visual size and angular size in post #14537.



"... Actually, so much for your claim. If you get atmospheric conditions just right, you can't see the sun at all... like at night. ..."
Day and night are not the result of atmospheric conditions.

Established science for hundreds of years is not an opinion, some idiots that feel unimportant and think they figured out a massive conspiracy might think that scientific evidence is a hoax but they themselves believe in things without doing them themselves, you for instance have done no experiments, sextant or any of the others you mention and yet you believe them to be true but when it comes to the experiments proving the earth is not flat you don't believe them, your brain doesn't work properly.

Still waiting for that video of the dome, I wonder when we will have enough technology to do that...

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^^^ Not an argument to anything you quoted there.
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"... You are ignoring the point. The point is that the sun appears smaller from further away, not larger or the same. But the amount is far less than it would be if the dome were only the approximately 18,000 3,000 [FTFY] miles high at the center that you seem to think. ..."
No I'm not ignoring the point, I clearly defined the difference between apparent visual size and angular size in post #14537.
You entirely misuse angular size by neglecting angular shape. If angular size were applied as you said, angular shape would be that of a cat's eye slit.





"... Actually, so much for your claim. If you get atmospheric conditions just right, you can't see the sun at all... like at night. ..."
Day and night are not the result of atmospheric conditions.
But being able to see the sun often is. So, if you are going to make a claim, claim the whole thing. Not just part of your claim. Otherwise nobody will know what you are talking about, and they will try to explain what you said in different ways than you meant.





"... Star measurements are made from the center of the star, even if you can't lock in on it. If measuring off stars is assumptions, Sagnac, Michelson Morley, and Airy are assumptions, and flat earth fails because you have been placing your trust in them, even though you are backwards. ..."
1. You're completely ignoring refraction, the optical displacement caused is far too great by many orders of magnitude to be corrected by any minor adjustments.
2. None of the established experiments you listed made any assumptions and two of them don't even involve star light.

All I am using is refraction. FE perspective involves using refraction in non-standard ways. So, to answer anything you say, I have to assume FE angular refraction in everything. You can't simply jump backward and forward, into an out of, standard perspective and FE perspective and make any sense. Use one or the other.

Sagnac, Michelson Morley, and Airy automatically based all their experiments on their understanding of far distant star systems. They don't have to talk about it in their experiments to apply it automatically, right along with all the things of their experiments. Separating their experiments from the base of the star system knowledge they held, is like jumping back and forth between standard science and your understanding of FE science.

You are inventing a whole new skewed way of doing math, where "equal" only equals "equal" when you say it does, but not when you say it doesn't. The universe only works like that in the funny farm. Just ask your next door resident, Napoleon.

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 #14537

Notbatman, take the time to appreciate the beauty of the world we live on and move on from all the nonsense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2wtte1JRE

Move on, you mean like go out and enjoy all the money I made mining Bitcoin back in 2014?








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YOU ARE JUST A PAID SHILL, I CAN TELL IT'S ALL FAKE THANKS TO MY 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN VIDEO EDITING AND PHOTOGRAPHY, I'M ALSO AN EXPERT IN PHYSICS, SCIENCE, ASTRONOMY AND EVERYTHING THANKS TO MY YOUTUBE VIDEOS.
Awesome, I learned how to forge an katana sword and a roman temple starting with nothing but a sharped stick.

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Notbatman, take the time to appreciate the beauty of the world we live on and move on from all the nonsense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2wtte1JRE

Move on, you mean like go out and enjoy all the money I made mining Bitcoin back in 2014?








Notbatman, take the time to appreciate the beauty of the world we live on and move on from all the nonsense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2wtte1JRE


AAAAAAAAAAAH IT'S FAKE, ALL OF IT !!!!111

YOU ARE JUST A PAID SHILL, I CAN TELL IT'S ALL FAKE THANKS TO MY 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN VIDEO EDITING AND PHOTOGRAPHY, I'M ALSO AN EXPERT IN PHYSICS, SCIENCE, ASTRONOMY AND EVERYTHING THANKS TO MY YOUTUBE VIDEOS.
Awesome, I learned how to forge an katana sword and a roman temple starting with nothing but a sharped stick.

https://streamable.com/s/l89dc/tgqyqb

pretty weird that we would find pieces of the dome when the dome was created by God, wasnt it?

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February 04, 2019, 06:12:48 PM
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Notbatman, take the time to appreciate the beauty of the world we live on and move on from all the nonsense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2wtte1JRE


You're wasting your time giving batty that advice even though it's totally valid.
He'll be preaching his flat earth fatuity foolishness in this thread till its either locked (ain't happening)
or he dies or maybe he even takes his own advice and ropes himself.
So the thread will be approaching a thousand pages of this claptrap in a few months time I'd venture to guess...

Bitcoin...the future of all monetary transactions...and always will be
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February 04, 2019, 06:51:05 PM
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 #14540

Notbatman, take the time to appreciate the beauty of the world we live on and move on from all the nonsense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2wtte1JRE


You're wasting your time giving batty that advice even though it's totally valid.
He'll be preaching his flat earth fatuity foolishness in this thread till its either locked (ain't happening)
or he dies or maybe he even takes his own advice and ropes himself.
So the thread will be approaching a thousand pages of this claptrap in a few months time I'd venture to guess...

Shut up atheist, you are going to hell.

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