Flat Earth

[BADecker]

Newton (assuming he's not a fictional character) is currently the smartest person to ever live IMO, his gravitational theory is a gullibility test in regards to the readers understanding of his three laws vs. the church and their heavenly spheres of bullshit.

It's rumored that you get over to the planetarium as often as you can to see the stars, because there are too many lights in the big city where your funny farm is located.

 

[HI-TEC99]

Newton (assuming he's not a fictional character) is currently the smartest person to ever live IMO, his gravitational theory is a gullibility test in regards to the readers understanding of his three laws vs. the church and their heavenly spheres of bullshit.

It's rumored that you get over to the planetarium as often as you can to see the stars, because there are too many lights in the big city where your funny farm is located.

 

Perhaps he was lonely until he went to the planetarium and got the idea to troll us with flat Earth bullshit.

[notbatman]

Well they've got the gaslighting down to a tee.

However, a pressure gradient next to a vacuum without a container is still a violation of the second law of thermodynamics. The weakest of the so-called "four forces" certainly doesn't allow for this blatant violation.

Newton's "bucket argument" alone debunks Relativistic Gravity. RG superseded Newtonian gravity so what's left to back up the globe? What the fuck is holding it together?

[Cryptotourist]

What the fuck is holding it together?

Zip ties.
The best invention ever.

[TooQik]

What the fuck is holding it together?

Zip ties.
The best invention ever.

Nah!!! It's velcro. 

[serbad]

What the fuck is holding it together?


I guess alot of bullshit and conjecture and its baked on.... wot can u do...

[sirazimuth]

I miss xempy.  Hey batty, fire up your sock puppet, bro.
I need a bonus FE claptrap video /silly sky fairy meme belly laugh.

[odolvlobo]

^^^ An infinite vacuum obviously isn't possible so we're simulating it by leaving the pump running. You said that "if" it was infinite, I'm just stating an experimental setup that allows for it within a finite container.
Since we're pretending gravity is a force I've avoided referencing the aether, if you want concede that the static aether is real then this whole discussion is moot. The 1887 M&M experiment proves the earth is motionless and falsifies the Copernican model; no outer space and no pressurized gas next to a vacuum without a container.

We're not going to get past vacuum pump equals infinite chamber, so let's drop it for now. I'm more interested in the idea that air falls because it displaces aether. I think that you would support that idea, but you haven't stated one way or the other. You previously stated that objects fall in a vacuum because they displace aether. That implies that air would similarly fall in a vacuum unless air molecules are different in some way. Can't that explain how air could be next to a vacuum? After all, we observe that the air pressure drops as the height increases, and the pressure must be close to 0 at the top of the dome over 3000 miles high.

Finally in regards to the force acting on the air molecules, we're not dealing with a solitary particle in an unbounded space. They push on each other and the wall of the chamber and the force pushing is electromagnetism; the molecules are 99.999% "empty space", only fields of force exist and interact.

Air molecules are mostly solitary. Other than gravity/buoyancy, they only interact and encounter forces when they collide with other molecules or the walls of the container. Note that I write "gravity/buoyancy" when I'm referring to the force that causes objects to fall and when being gravity or buoyancy doesn't change anything.

[Cryptotourist]

What the fuck is holding it together?

Zip ties.
The best invention ever.

Nah!!! It's velcro. 

How didn't I think of that, could be a combination of both.
Nah,

I guess alot of bullshit and conjecture and its baked on.... wot can u do...

Well done sir.

[notbatman]

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Finally in regards to the force acting on the air molecules, we're not dealing with a solitary particle in an unbounded space. They push on each other and the wall of the chamber and the force pushing is electromagnetism; the molecules are 99.999% "empty space", only fields of force exist and interact.

Air molecules are mostly solitary. Other than gravity/buoyancy, they only interact and encounter forces when they collide with other molecules or the walls of the container. Note that I write "gravity/buoyancy" when I'm referring to the force that causes objects to fall and when being gravity or buoyancy doesn't change anything.

You're mistaken, the air molecules never actually touch each other or the wall of the chamber. Only fields of force exist and interact, this means there's no actual "physical" contact or collision. Because of the nature of electrostatic fields, the air molecules are always in communication with each other and the wall of the chamber via connected lines of force.


Electrostatic Field Lines

This [electrostatics] is also why the Cavendish experiment is complete nonsense.

[BADecker]

^^^ Once we get down to the microcosm of material far enough, we find that the aether is the force of everything. There is no material/energy/particles/waves/etc.. There is only force... the basis of the aether, and the basis of complexity.

[odolvlobo]

You're mistaken, the air molecules never actually touch each other or the wall of the chamber. Only fields of force exist and interact, this means there's no actual "physical" contact or collision. Because of the nature of electrostatic fields, the air molecules are always in communication with each other and the wall of the chamber via connected lines of force.

Ok, fine. You are correct.

Now, I'm really more interested in the idea that air falls because it displaces aether. I think that you would support that idea, but you haven't stated one way or the other. You previously stated that objects fall in a vacuum because they displace aether. That implies that air would similarly fall in a vacuum unless air molecules are different in some way. Can't that explain how air could be next to a vacuum? After all, we observe that the air pressure drops as the height increases, and the pressure must be very close to 0 at the top of the dome over 3000 miles high.

[Mttewndew]

As far as I understand, most people who agree with the flat earth hypothesis do not know and do not study what is beyond the boundaries of the dome and what processes are taking place there. I don't think that the Earth is exactly what we were told in childhood. But it seems to me that the theory of round earth is better, there is at least a desire for further, and not fixing only on the Earth itself.

[notbatman]

@odolvlobo,

   There's a point where the macroscopic concept of displacement gives way to fields of force on the smaller scale. The fields of force are essentially fluid mechanics, the aether can in general be treated as a super-fine gas. Magnetic fields i.e. curl(A) where A is the vector potential, can be seen with paper, some iron filings and, a magnet; an aetheric gas field whirled into looping circuits like smoke rings.

So when I give "displacement of aether" as an explanation of why any object in a vacuum chamber is stuck to the bottom if gravity doesn't real, I'm giving a "general" explanation. The more technical explanation lies in understanding the extremely complex network of electromagnetic field lines surrounding the object and the forces involved therein.

The few lone gas molecules in the vacuum chamber are going nuts, if they're closer to the bottom on average I'd like to see evidence for that.

[Tash]

Lets hope you have the appropriate monitor to enjoy in full glory.
Private photo 400 Megapixel (Resolution 20,000 x 20,000) if the Moon. Interesting every "crater" is more or less round, no near misses.
Blue, yellow white stars... I am over the moon 
Bonus points for anyone who can see the mile long tracks of the moon rover.
Dont forget to zoom in and switch to full screen
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It would take a grid of 19 x 11 monitors at 1920x1080 to display every pixel of the photo at 1:1.
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[Cryptotourist]

^. Nice find!!!

Look what I spotted, carved on the surface of da moon:

[guigui371]

I have asked the question so many times.
Why isn't the FE society, with hundreds of thousands of fanatics don't send one of their top chefs through an astronaut training camp and fly him/her up on the ISS.

It would also be easy to come up with a recording device (camera), which is temper proof.
To take photos and video of the earth from there  (just in case the nut jobs on earth claim that their top leader got brainwashed by NASA while beeing on the ISS).
Like an old-school analogic camera in a radiation-proof/shockproof/tamperproof casing.
That would be opened on earth by FE and RE people.

Just raise the funds and go up.

PS : atmospherique baloons don't count.

[odolvlobo]

So when I give "displacement of aether" as an explanation of why any object in a vacuum chamber is stuck to the bottom if gravity doesn't real, I'm giving a "general" explanation. The more technical explanation lies in understanding the extremely complex network of electromagnetic field lines surrounding the object and the forces involved therein.

Well, I would love to see the more technical explanation! How do I find it?

[scuj_cero]

I have asked the question so many times.
Why isn't the FE society, with hundreds of thousands of fanatics don't send one of their top chefs through an astronaut training camp and fly him/her up on the ISS.

It would also be easy to come up with a recording device (camera), which is temper proof.
To take photos and video of the earth from there  (just in case the nut jobs on earth claim that their top leader got brainwashed by NASA while beeing on the ISS).
Like an old-school analogic camera in a radiation-proof/shockproof/tamperproof casing.
That would be opened on earth by FE and RE people.

Just raise the funds and go up.

PS : atmospherique baloons don't count.

Don't think they'd want to do such thing, although even if someone from FE community would do it and tell everyone else "look the earth is round, it's not flat!" - they would reject him and say "oh boi, he's one of them" instead of believing him. Those people are rejecting the fundamental basics of physics, and even though lots of them are smart people, i wouldn't expect from them to change their beliefs, especially when they are having fun - they have their own community, they can talk about it, socialize, cult it etc.

[notbatman]

@odolvlobo "A treatise on electricity and magnetism, by James Clerk Maxwell."

I have asked the question so many times.
Why isn't the FE society, with hundreds of thousands of fanatics don't send one of their top chefs through an astronaut training camp and fly him/her up on the ISS.

It would also be easy to come up with a recording device (camera), which is temper proof.
To take photos and video of the earth from there  (just in case the nut jobs on earth claim that their top leader got brainwashed by NASA while beeing on the ISS).
Like an old-school analogic camera in a radiation-proof/shockproof/tamperproof casing.
That would be opened on earth by FE and RE people.

Just raise the funds and go up.

PS : atmospherique baloons don't count.

Don't think they'd want to do such thing, although even if someone from FE community would do it and tell everyone else "look the earth is round, it's not flat!" - they would reject him and say "oh boi, he's one of them" instead of believing him. Those people are rejecting the fundamental basics of physics, and even though lots of them are smart people, i wouldn't expect from them to change their beliefs, especially when they are having fun - they have their own community, they can talk about it, socialize, cult it etc.

You guys are delusional because NASA is a propaganda agency, there is no "astronaut training camp" you halfwit morons. There are no university or college courses to become an astronaut, outer space is a hoax.

Globalism is the cult, so fuck off with your bullshit! In fact don't come back until you can spell "atmospheric balloons" correctly.



edit:
Corrected spelling mistake.