[ANN] SpreadCoin | Decentralize Everything (decentralized blockexplorer coming)

[rhinomonkey]

Sure, if an altcoin is basically an exact copy of bitcoin just with slightly changed parameters, then it would be ok for them to always keep uptodate with the newest bitcoin codebase.

But we are already pretty much doing our own thing, and this will only increase with the introduction of UBA, Servicenodes etc...

BTW, while working on the upcoming testnet version I've naturally started to implement a few of the past improvements that happened in bitcoin,
forexample ‘headers-first synchronization’ from v.0.10.

It's also much easier for me to do isolated improvements like this, instead of trying to merge a complete bitcoin version with spreadcoin.
At some point this is even an impossible thing to do, because .... well... we are NOT bitcoin!

I'll inform you guys in more detail about this soon!

Is an HD wallet something that could/ would be pursued?

[georgem]

why are you and Georgem so nonchalant about Stone's leaving?

We both (coins101 and I) can't base our motivation on "volatile things" like
price level, violent mood swings of some members, or FUDding trolls.

Spreadcoin has survived dev-decapitation and troll infestations before, it's just another one of these "stormy days".

Nonchalance is what they deserve!

[CHAOSiTEC]

As i stated in my initial leaving note, i have nothing against religion, but combination of tag line and flag, plus his presence has hindered several work oppertunities, and has been pointed out to me, that was the reasoning, plus my own stance on any religion, which is fine if peaceful coexistance is the goal, but conflicting messages are send with his combination of flag and tagline.

For all i care, you can believe in whatever you want, even the great spagetti monster, I DONT CARE!, as long as your religion believes does not collide with peace...

But when someones presence hinders work related oppertonities, then i f*** care...

[georgem]

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When I come here to the forum in my free time, I want to discuss things like that, not violent factions of islam, lol!  

fify

Yes, you are right. I take it back.

It has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with free speech.

This is the internet, one of the last areas in the world where everyone is still allowed to say everything they want, even offending things.

If a symbol offends you, you are always free to block/ban the user. That's internet rule nr. 1.

Abou Talha hasn't said anything yet that would make me want to block him.
(Ok, I'm not blocking ANY user right now anyway, even known trolls, because I just want to be exposed to whatever is going on around spreadcoin)
And I am not so sensitive that I would allow a mere symbol (whatever it represents) to bamboozle me, or trigger a certain reaction...
Because that would mean that I am not even in control of my own emotions.
Why are people so easily "triggered" these days anyway?

It's about control and power.

How come Abou Talha has so much power that a mere graphic he posts, is capable of triggering all kinds of over the top reactions in some people's minds?
Makes me wonder how commited those people were in the first place...

That's what is worrying me the most, that some people allow other people to have so much emotional power over them.

Is it so easy these days?
So I just need to open an account, paste an ISIS flag as my avatar, and I can cause chaos?

[minerpage]

It has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with free speech.

Hate speech is not covered under free speech!

[njs811]

It has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with free speech.

Hate speech is not covered under free speech!

since when?

[stonehedge]

why are you and Georgem so nonchalant about Stone's leaving?

violent mood swings of some members,

It is because you dismiss those who are in a position to help the project most as having violent mood swings that people are losing confidence in you.

[georgem]

It has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with free speech.

Hate speech is not covered under free speech!

We already have laws about hate speech in the real world.
Institutionalized "hate speech" is already not tolerated.

The problem is when you extend this rule to the internet, an area where you have anonymous people saying all kinds of things they wouldn't normally say in real life.
People acting like trolls, letting of steam, offending people, etc, the internet is a place where everyone is allowed to say (NOT DO) anything they want.

The danger is when you are setting a precedence to completely dismantle free speech, just so that nobody gets "offended" anymore.

That's why twitter is getting so much bad press lately for their weird "trust and safety council" they want to implement, which sounds like an orwellian nightmare.

Milo Yiannopoulos said it best in this short clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-3tiNIZB4Q

Toughen up!

Free speech is also about the freedom to offend other people's feelings.
Your feelings don't matter, what matters are facts.

And yes, ISIS is a terrorist organization.
But an internet troll is just an internet troll.
If he makes you feel bad, just block him, or ridicule him,
but don't ask for the internet to be censored.

[rhinomonkey]

It has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with free speech.

Hate speech is not covered under free speech!

since when?

It appears to be somewhat nuanced, at least in the U.S.

And the only exceptions to the first amendment are as follows:

"There are certain well-defined and limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise a Constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous and the insulting or 'fighting' words – those which by their very utterances inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace."

This particular summary of the case law has been changed since its inception, though I'm not sure if broadened or narrowed... I didn't get that far. You can read more by simply looking up the "hate speech" Wikipedia.

If hate speech were illegal, I'm sure Trump would have been arrested by now.

And perhaps under Canadian law he could have been because they have a body of law pertaining to Hate Propaganda!

[BBS001]

If a symbol offends you, you are always free to block/ban the user. That's internet rule nr. 1.

That's fine, until new potential investor are reading through the thread. This could/has put them off.
What if Apple changed their logo to something similar,out of business over night, infact they would've never become anything in the first place.
This really doesn't look good as an image, and image sells.

Question to all, would you be offended if I had an avatar as a "Nazi swastika" or "KKK emblem" or "National Front"??

Just swap it for the spreadcoin or Ripple logo 

[georgem]

why are you and Georgem so nonchalant about Stone's leaving?

violent mood swings of some members,

It is because you dismiss those who are in a position to help the project most as having violent mood swings that people are losing confidence in you.

I dismiss the methodology of how you planned to implement "big data" with spreadcoin.
But we both agree that "helping full nodes" or "helping bitcoin miners" are good goals.
So we do have common goals.

But we don't agree on the methodology.
Since I am the one that will have to develop those things, I need to apply extra scrutinity where you would normally just rush things to make them happen as fast as possible.

As a Dev I'm always prepared to release my code as open source so that anybody can scrutinize it and comment on it.
How come me scrutinizing your proposal makes you so unease all the time?

Atleast that's the impression that I got so far.

[georgem]

If a symbol offends you, you are always free to block/ban the user. That's internet rule nr. 1.

That's fine, until new potential investor are reading through the thread. This could/has put them off.
What if Apple changed their logo to something similar,out of business over night, infact they would've never become anything in the first place.
This really doesn't look good as an image, and image sells.

Question to all, would you be offended if I had an avatar as a "Nazi swastika" or "KKK emblem" or "National Front"??

Just swap it for the spreadcoin or Ripple logo 

Again, isn't it weird how much power you let a troll have over you?

This is an open community where everybody can act any way they like.
Trolls are a fact of internet nature.

If an investor doesn't understand this basic rule of the internet, then I'm not interested in his help anyway, lol.

[stonehedge]

why are you and Georgem so nonchalant about Stone's leaving?

violent mood swings of some members,

It is because you dismiss those who are in a position to help the project most as having violent mood swings that people are losing confidence in you.

I dismiss the methodology of how you planned to implement "big data" with spreadcoin.
But we both agree that "helping full nodes" or "helping bitcoin miners" are good goals.
So we do have common goals.

But we don't agree on the methodology.
Since I am the one that will have to develop those things, I need to apply extra scrutinity where you would normally just rush things to make them happen as fast as possible.

As a Dev I'm always prepared to release my code as open source so that anybody can scrutinize it and comment on it.
How come me scrutinizing your proposal makes you so unease all the time?

Atleast that's the impression that I got so far.

Big data has always been secondary to engaging the community and releasing paying service nodes for me.  I would never rush anything in if it wasn't fit for purpose.

[rhinomonkey]

If a symbol offends you, you are always free to block/ban the user. That's internet rule nr. 1.

What if Apple changed their logo to something similar,out of business over night, infact they would've never become anything in the first place.

This is completely different than the issue here. Georgem has not made the logo of Spreadcoin into any sort of symbol relevant to to any "bad" organization.

We merely have a supporter who dons a flag appropriated by ISIS in his Avatar. Apple doesn't ban people from the use of their products because they disagree with their beliefs...

Whether or not people / investors are turned off from it is really not in our control unless we go to what I would deem extreme measures. Undoubtedly as the community grows, it will be seen as less of an issue...

[georgem]

Undoubtedly as the community grows, it will be seen as less of an issue...

Exactly.

The bigger the community will get, the less effect trolls are going to have.
The bigger trading volume will get, the less power will "whales" have that can now practically move the price any way they want.

Spreadcoin is currently like a small room where even the slightest fart is being experienced much louder than it actually is.

[rhinomonkey]

Big data has always been secondary to engaging the community and releasing paying service nodes for me.  I would never rush anything in if it wasn't fit for purpose.

I don't want to play mediator and I won't because I probably won't help. But I think there are better endings to this story than losing a member due to what seems to be a simple misunderstanding of expectations.

[georgem]

Big data has always been secondary to engaging the community and releasing paying service nodes for me.  I would never rush anything in if it wasn't fit for purpose.

I don't want to play mediator and I won't because I probably won't help. But I think there are better endings to this story than losing a member due to what seems to be a simple misunderstanding of expectations.

I hear you.

I think clarity is what will fix all those problems.
It was only since middle of january that I came up with a realistic roadmap and defined research areas.

I will continue to add more clarity to other areas as we move along.

[georgem]

Big data has always been secondary to engaging the community and releasing paying service nodes for me.  I would never rush anything in if it wasn't fit for purpose.

Ok, but then again, servicenodes can't exist without a first service.

It always sounded wrong to me to introduce servicenodes that get payed for ... "just being around"...

I think all spreadcoin miners agree with me on that.

[minerpage]

We merely have a supporter who dons a flag appropriated by ISIS in his Avatar.

It is more than that. This guy openly supports a group that destroys, murders and terrorizes. Would you like to live next door to that? Would you like to invest in something this supporter invests in? Would you build a school or anything else with these people? Would you like to be associated with any of that?  I don't think so.

[minerpage]

Big data has always been secondary to engaging the community and releasing paying service nodes for me.  I would never rush anything in if it wasn't fit for purpose.

Ok, but then again, servicenodes can't exist without a first service.

Good, healthy argument