[ANN] SpreadCoin | Decentralize Everything (decentralized blockexplorer coming)

[coins101]

Please vote

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1392053.msg14138999#msg14138999

[georgem]

in other news, someone snatched mr.spread's original yet dead spreadcoin domain away:

http://www.spreadcoin.net/

there is currently something weird and japanese going on there.

[coins101]

in other news, someone snatched mr.spread's original yet dead spreadcoin domain away:

http://www.spreadcoin.net/

there is currently something weird and japanese going on there.

Satoshi. It's Satoshi, I'm telling you.

[minerpage]

in other news, someone snatched mr.spread's original yet dead spreadcoin domain away:

http://www.spreadcoin.net/

there is currently something weird and japanese going on there.

Satoshi. It's Satoshi, I'm telling you.

Translated first paragraph:

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[coins101]

in other news, someone snatched mr.spread's original yet dead spreadcoin domain away:

http://www.spreadcoin.net/

there is currently something weird and japanese going on there.

Satoshi. It's Satoshi, I'm telling you.

Translated first paragraph:

When do effective for If you take enzyme drink? Enzyme drink

When do effective for If you take enzyme drink?
Enzyme drinks, effect I get the most on an empty stomach.
Because fasting is that the absorption rate is increased, the enzyme will be efficiently ingested.
If the drink once enzyme drink a day, you should drink immediately from the morning.

I read the Bitcoin whitepaper.  I'm sure that's what it was talking about.

[georgem]

Please vote

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1392053.msg14138999#msg14138999

More explanations /docs would be nice so that people can give a more educated vote.

What are the benefits of a "partnership with azure"?

So if I understand this correctly the idea of a "partnership with azure" is that once one of their customers rents an ubuntu virtual machine,
there will be a spreadcoin node preinstalled on it, ready to use if needed. Is this correct?

For this to happen, azure requires that a coin actually adds value/services etc to be considered.

You know, like a decentralized blockexplorer for example.

@coins101 what services/apps do you have in mind?

[coins101]

Please vote

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1392053.msg14138999#msg14138999

More explanations /docs would be nice so that people can give a more educated vote.

What are the benefits of a "partnership with azure"?

So if I understand this correctly the idea of a "partnership with azure" is that once one of their customers rents an ubuntu virtual machine,
there will be a spreadcoin node preinstalled on it, ready to use if needed. Is this correct?

For this to happen, azure requires that a coin actually adds value/services etc to be considered.

You know, like a decentralized blockexplorer for example.

@coins101 what services/apps do you have in mind?

http://www.coindesk.com/microsoft-blockchain-azure-marley-gray/

What services? Decentralized block explorer, in particular full bitcoin nodes. As far as I can tell, nothing specific from the stated goals of the project need to change.

Servicenodes can only run what they are able to run.

[coins101]

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So if I understand this correctly the idea of a "partnership with azure" is that once one of their customers rents an ubuntu virtual machine,
there will be a spreadcoin node preinstalled on it, ready to use if needed. Is this correct?
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They are looking to get people onto their cloud environment. Blockchains is one sub-set of many other sectors. They don't really care about what app you run, provided the package builds are competently built and the project is not a scam.

Ultimately, they want people to be attracted to good apps running on their cloud.  They are taking the app store approach, but with fully fledged software services. End user demand is key. They do vetting, but its about the users, mostly.

[coins101]

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For this to happen, azure requires that a coin actually adds value/services etc to be considered.
..

He read our whitepaper. That's why he said he wants us on Azure.

[coins101]

The lead dev, Georgem, wants to know what the community thinks and he want to listen to the pros and cons. He is open to the idea of working towards joining the Azure program if the overall feedback warrants a closer look and it doesn't end up compromising the project or the principle of decentralization.

I personally support this simply because I can make IMMEDIATE use of this inclusion to build applications on top of the SPR block chain and integrate this with other Azure components (database, websites, etc.). Many companies (that I know) already have Azure services and it instills a lot of confidence having SPR be part of that service offering. I don't believe this takes away from the decentralization principle simply because there are no modifications needed on the SPR side of things. Provide an API and everybody is happy!

Killer post in favor (see, I even used the US spelling). I'm considering closing the vote early because of this post.

[AnotherNode]

Please vote

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1392053.msg14138999#msg14138999

100% behind making the application to join. If later you discover any issues, the devs can just pull out at any time.

[georgem]

The lead dev, Georgem, wants to know what the community thinks and he want to listen to the pros and cons. He is open to the idea of working towards joining the Azure program if the overall feedback warrants a closer look and it doesn't end up compromising the project or the principle of decentralization.

I personally support this simply because I can make IMMEDIATE use of this inclusion to build applications on top of the SPR block chain and integrate this with other Azure components (database, websites, etc.). Many companies (that I know) already have Azure services and it instills a lot of confidence having SPR be part of that service offering. I don't believe this takes away from the decentralization principle simply because there are no modifications needed on the SPR side of things. Provide an API and everybody is happy!

Killer post in favor (see, I even used the US spelling). I'm considering closing the vote early because of this post.

My questions are more about the nature of the partnership.

I mean I can run a spreadcoin node on any other virtual server anyway, and can start building applications on top of the blockchain too, without azure...
so why do we need a partnership for that?

How exactly is azure "integrating" our blockchain into their other Azure components?

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but doesn't microsoft become a middleman between you and the blockchain?
How does this help decentralization and/or privacy?

More info needed.

[coins101]

...partnership.
..

The word partnership is probably misleading.

Think of them as a cloud hosting provider, using an app store approach which is to vet the software going on their cloud.

https://blog.bitpay.com/bitcore-for-microsoft-azure/

[minerpage]

so why do we need a partnership for that?

Perception, PR value and integration. I (for one) am in the trenches. Every day I try to convince companies to use the block chain for application building. I had (still have) a hard time convincing people to do this, even with (because of) all the negative connotations (abuse, crime, etc.). Once MS started supporting this, my job became a whole lot easier. There was immediate perceived value. But that probably only works if the potential customer has/runs MS products. This would not make much sense to an outsider (i.e. a customer who doesn't use MS products).

EDIT: Partnership is probably not the correct term. More like cross promotion, you are listed as a "Value Added Solutions Provider" (or something like it)

[georgem]

Please vote

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1392053.msg14138999#msg14138999

100% behind making the application to join. If later you discover any issues, the devs can just pull out at any time.

That's what I don't understand. The devs can decide to pull out?

Why not you or any other node operator?

From a decentralization standpoint this sounds like a nightmare.

Don't wanna be debby downer here, but... once we start affecting the whole spreadcoin network by pushing it onto Azure,
we can then later simply decide to revert this action, should there be problems?

Why do devs get to decide that, where is the power of "one node" = "one vote" ?

See, I wouldn't have the slightest problem with you deciding that you want to run your node on an Azure server.
I also have no problem whatsoever if you "partner" with Azure so that you can to run a whole armada of spreadcoin nodes and get a special rate or something.

I just don't understand this sort of "partnership" a coin has to officialy enter to be accepted.

More info needed to make an educated decision.

[coins101]

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I just don't understand this sort of "partnership" a coin has to officialy enter to be accepted.
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For them, its about limiting reputation risks. 

Like I said, IOS screen who goes on the app store for the same reason, but that is mostly about preventing scammers and viruses, etc.

[georgem]

so why do we need a partnership for that?

Perception, PR value and integration. I (for one) am in the trenches. Every day I try to convince companies to use the block chain for application building. I had (still have) a hard time convincing people to do this, even with (because of) all the negative connotations (abuse, crime, etc.). Once MS started supporting this, my job became a whole lot easier. There was immediate perceived value. But that probably only works if the potential customer has/runs MS products. This would not make much sense to an outsider (i.e. a customer who doesn't use MS products).

EDIT: Partnership is probably not the correct term. More like cross promotion, you are listed as a "Value Added Solutions Provider" (or something like it)

Good point.

But there you have it, I see all the benefits that microsoft gets from this deal.
I just don't see the benefits our community is going to have, especially if true decentralization is our main goal.

Again, don't want to crush anyone's dreams/hopes here, but the only real immediate effect I see from this is an expected SPR price rise,
simply because many people feel very fuzzy and warm when they hear the words microsoft/spreadcoin/partnership mentioned in the same sentence.

But I like that we finally explore this with the necessary depth.
It was sitting on our table for quite some time now.

[georgem]

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I just don't understand this sort of "partnership" a coin has to officialy enter to be accepted.
..

For them, its about limiting reputation risks. 

Like I said, IOS screen who goes on the app store for the same reason, but that is mostly about preventing scammers and viruses, etc.

I see.

So it's like a giant sandbox so to speak?

Not sure I like the sound of that...

[minerpage]

I just don't see the benefits our community is going to have

Depends on point of view.

Those who see SPR as speculation tools: no benefit indeed.

Those who try to use crypto in the business world: plenty of benefits:

• Increased Profile (standing) in the business world
• Ready made solutions for applications
• Increased adoption rates (first to market)
• Build Track Record (implementations)
• Real world solutions provider (we can list accomplishments)
• Services and Consultations (who wants to try next)
• Build continuous value (steady market value increase)
• Worldwide wallet distribution (adoption by business users)
• etc...

I just wrote this as I went. Given some extra time there will be a ton of other reasons why it would benefit the community. Again, depending on expectations and viewpoints. No crypto can survive long term without a sound economic plan. Speculation on exchanges only doesn't cut it. Real value comes from sustained business use, which in turn comes from adoption. The more the merrier  

[rhinomonkey]

I just don't see the benefits our community is going to have

Depends on point of view.

Those who see SPR as speculation tools: no benefit indeed.

Those who try to use crypto in the business world: plenty of benefits:

• Increased Profile (standing) in the business world
• Ready made solutions for applications
• Increased adoption rates (first to market)
• Build Track Record (implementations)
• Real world solutions provider (we can list accomplishments)
• Services and Consultations (who wants to try next)
• Build continuous value (steady market value increase)
• Worldwide wallet distribution (adoption by business users)
• etc...

I just wrote this as I went. Given some extra time there will be a ton of other reasons why it would benefit the community. Again, depending on expectations and viewpoints. No crypto can survive long term without a sound economic plan. Speculation on exchanges only doesn't cut it. Real value comes from sustained business use, which in turn comes from adoption. The more the merrier  

I clearly see these benefits. I'm curious what an argument against it is - a formulated argument for why it would hurt decentralization.

As long as it doesn't hurt decentralization, I don't see a problem. In fact, I think it would possibly aid in attracting new people to the community... which will even out distribution of coins. Currently I think there are only a few buyers.

P.S. Coins that wall isn't gone yet