Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[CoinCube]

I think science outpaced our linguistic development.

We humans will never be able to escape our neurophysiologically hardwired,  linguistic meaning making mechanisms - it is rooted to the core of our being. But science has indeed prodded religious linguistics as a superficial kind, a kind that needed a rude awakening, a disillusionment if you will. Yes, it is through the applied methodology of science that religious members became disappointed, dissatisfied  and utterly discontented with the cheap spells that their various sects have so lavishly kept casting on them to keep the poor parishioners illusioned  and falsely enchanted throughout the entirety of their miserable lives.

But you are right, we need new linguistic jargon that will unleash the exploring minds of humans, but keep us grounded in the materialistic reality, through which science has granted us a much fuller, clearer (disenchanted) and sense driven understanding.

Ok one last post before I go because this is so earily similar to something I just read. Uncle Screwtape from the the book by C.S. Lewis would absolutely agree with you here dippididodaddy.

“Jargon, not argument, is your best ally in keeping him from the Church. Don't waste time trying to make him think that materialism is true! Make him think it is strong, or stark, or courageous--that it is the philosophy of the future. That's the sort of thing he cares about.
The trouble about argument is that it moves the whole struggle on to the Enemy's own ground. He can argue too; whereas in really practical propaganda of the kind I am suggesting He has been shown for centuries to be greatly the inferior of Our Father Below. By the very act of arguing, you awake the patient's reason; and once it is awake, who can foresee the result?

Even if a particular train of thought can be twisted so as to end in our favor, you will find that you have been strengthening in your patient the fatal habit of attending to universal issues and withdrawing his attention from the stream of immediate sense experiences. Your business is to fix his attention on the stream. Teach him to call it "real life" and don't let him ask what he means by "real."” - Uncle Screwtape


The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D3MWVMKKY3A&

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[af_newbie]

I think science outpaced our linguistic development.

We humans will never be able to escape our neurophysiologically hardwired,  linguistic meaning making mechanisms - it is rooted to the core of our being. But science has indeed prodded religious linguistics as a superficial kind, a kind that needed a rude awakening, a disillusionment if you will. Yes, it is through the applied methodology of science that religious members became disappointed, dissatisfied  and utterly discontented with the cheap spells that their various sects have so lavishly kept casting on them to keep the poor parishioners illusioned  and falsely enchanted throughout the entirety of their miserable lives.

But you are right, we need new linguistic jargon that will unleash the exploring minds of humans, but keep us grounded in the materialistic reality, through which science has granted us a much fuller, clearer (disenchanted) and sense driven understanding.

Ok one last post before I go because this is so earily similar to something I just read. Uncle Screwtape from the the book by C.S. Lewis would absolutely agree with you here dippididodaddy.

“Jargon, not argument, is your best ally in keeping him from the Church. Don't waste time trying to make him think that materialism is true! Make him think it is strong, or stark, or courageous--that it is the philosophy of the future. That's the sort of thing he cares about.
The trouble about argument is that it moves the whole struggle on to the Enemy's own ground. He can argue too; whereas in really practical propaganda of the kind I am suggesting He has been shown for centuries to be greatly the inferior of Our Father Below. By the very act of arguing, you awake the patient's reason; and once it is awake, who can foresee the result?

Even if a particular train of thought can be twisted so as to end in our favor, you will find that you have been strengthening in your patient the fatal habit of attending to universal issues and withdrawing his attention from the stream of immediate sense experiences. Your business is to fix his attention on the stream. Teach him to call it "real life" and don't let him ask what he means by "real."” - Uncle Screwtape


The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D3MWVMKKY3A&

That is the root cause of the problem.  There is no 'us vs them'.  There is just 'us' in this vast universe.  A constantly evolving lifeform that is capable of being aware of where it is and what it is.  

The sooner you realize that the sooner you'll shed the veils of your delusion.

I guess the best advice I can give you is don't jump to conclusions of "what happened or was before the Big Bang", "was there before the Big Bang" or "what is the Dark Energy or Dark Matter" without fully understanding and having evidence to support your conclusions.

Otherwise, you'll look like a delusional, babbling fool.

As for your constant references to the religious cult you were born into, well, they carry no weight in the real world.  As good as any reference to any fictional characters from thousands of other cults humans developed over the years.  You are barking at the wrong tree.

I urge you to re-educate yourself in science, it will provide you with a much clearer picture of what is happening to you and others around you.  It will become abundantly clear that there are no ghosts, spirits, heaven or hell or any of the supernatural constructs human minds managed to contrive.

And that unknown, undefined entity of yours is not it.  If it is undefined and unknown, let it be that.  Don't assign any additional properties to something you don't know or understand.

Try MIT OCW https://www.youtube.com/user/MIT/videos

PS.
Since you like what other people say on the subject, I'll leave you with what Paul Dirac once said:

"I cannot understand why we idle discussing religion. If we are honest—and scientists have to be—we must admit that religion is a jumble of false assertions, with no basis in reality. The very idea of God is a product of the human imagination. It is quite understandable why primitive people, who were so much more exposed to the overpowering forces of nature than we are today, should have personified these forces in fear and trembling. But nowadays, when we understand so many natural processes, we have no need for such solutions. I can't for the life of me see how the postulate of an Almighty God helps us in any way. What I do see is that this assumption leads to such unproductive questions as why God allows so much misery and injustice, the exploitation of the poor by the rich and all the other horrors He might have prevented. If religion is still being taught, it is by no means because its ideas still convince us, but simply because some of us want to keep the lower classes quiet. Quiet people are much easier to govern than clamorous and dissatisfied ones. They are also much easier to exploit. Religion is a kind of opium that allows a nation to lull itself into wishful dreams and so forget the injustices that are being perpetrated against the people. Hence the close alliance between those two great political forces, the State and the Church. Both need the illusion that a kindly God rewards—in heaven if not on earth—all those who have not risen up against injustice, who have done their duty quietly and uncomplainingly. That is precisely why the honest assertion that God is a mere product of the human imagination is branded as the worst of all mortal sins."

[BADecker]

^^^ Except for one minor detail. The way Paul Dirac says what he says, and his mindset behind it, shows that it is part of his personal religion... if you use the dictionary definition of religion, that is.

[Astargath]

^^^ We talked about this in the God proof thread in the Off-Topic section. The simple answer that is obvious to everyone is the machine quality of the universe. Machines have makers. But if this weren't enough, there is more over in that thread.

Your desire to remain ignorant of machines and machine-makers is astounding. It doesn't do you any good. And it only serves to uphold what is written in the Bible about your kind. So, thanks for helping to prove God and the Bible.

It's easy for anyone to see why atheists hate religion. Right religion is organized looking for the truth. Atheism tends towards organized destruction... which actually makes it a wrong religion. Right religion will win, just as the appearance of the orderly universe is a fact. Such will be your ultimate destruction, rather than the destruction of the universe.

But, you have a chance to turn to right religion. Do it now, while you still have time.

Yep, as you said, machines have makers, so why are you so sure there is only 1 god and not multiple? Machines do have multiple makers don't they?

[af_newbie]

^^^ Except for one minor detail. The way Paul Dirac says what he says, and his mindset behind it, shows that it is part of his personal religion... if you use the dictionary definition of religion, that is.

It was his unbiased observation.

BTW, he was 100% on the money.

But to you, anything that invalidates your Bronze Age cult fascination is a religion. 

[dippididodaday]

Ok one last post before I go because this is so earily similar to something I just read. Uncle Screwtape from the the book by C.S. Lewis would absolutely agree with you here dippididodaddy.

@CoinCube: dippididodaddy eh? hahaha. When I read about the inevitable monopolization of your time by the new business, I realized time is running short, and the invaluable contributions to this discussion made by you, soon coming to an end (or at least slowing down drastically), and something had to be done. I therefore devised a plan to summon you back (maybe), one last time to be invigorated by your spirited enduring argumentation. It worked! Goodluck and Godspeed to you too. Please do return at a convenient time.

[BADecker]

^^^ We talked about this in the God proof thread in the Off-Topic section. The simple answer that is obvious to everyone is the machine quality of the universe. Machines have makers. But if this weren't enough, there is more over in that thread.

Your desire to remain ignorant of machines and machine-makers is astounding. It doesn't do you any good. And it only serves to uphold what is written in the Bible about your kind. So, thanks for helping to prove God and the Bible.

It's easy for anyone to see why atheists hate religion. Right religion is organized looking for the truth. Atheism tends towards organized destruction... which actually makes it a wrong religion. Right religion will win, just as the appearance of the orderly universe is a fact. Such will be your ultimate destruction, rather than the destruction of the universe.

But, you have a chance to turn to right religion. Do it now, while you still have time.

Yep, as you said, machines have makers, so why are you so sure there is only 1 god and not multiple? Machines do have multiple makers don't they?

This is discussed in the God proof thread over in the Off-Topic section.

[BADecker]

^^^ Except for one minor detail. The way Paul Dirac says what he says, and his mindset behind it, shows that it is part of his personal religion... if you use the dictionary definition of religion, that is.

It was his unbiased observation.

BTW, he was 100% on the money.

But to you, anything that invalidates your Bronze Age cult fascination is a religion.  

And the way Paul says what he says shows that it is his religion to believe that way. Since you believe the way he does, why don't you form a religious denomination? Call it The Atheism Non-Religion Religion or something similar.

[Astargath]

^^^ We talked about this in the God proof thread in the Off-Topic section. The simple answer that is obvious to everyone is the machine quality of the universe. Machines have makers. But if this weren't enough, there is more over in that thread.

Your desire to remain ignorant of machines and machine-makers is astounding. It doesn't do you any good. And it only serves to uphold what is written in the Bible about your kind. So, thanks for helping to prove God and the Bible.

It's easy for anyone to see why atheists hate religion. Right religion is organized looking for the truth. Atheism tends towards organized destruction... which actually makes it a wrong religion. Right religion will win, just as the appearance of the orderly universe is a fact. Such will be your ultimate destruction, rather than the destruction of the universe.

But, you have a chance to turn to right religion. Do it now, while you still have time.

Yep, as you said, machines have makers, so why are you so sure there is only 1 god and not multiple? Machines do have multiple makers don't they?

This is discussed in the God proof thread over in the Off-Topic section.

Yes I remember, you were unable to explain why there has to be just 1 maker and not many, your "proof" was literally this: the creator/creators of the universe have to be more complex than it. That definition, even if true, has a lot of possibilities, like i said, complex aliens from another universe or multiple gods could have created the universe and all those options fit within your argument.

[BADecker]

^^^ Oh, that was simply you not accepting science. All you were doing is trying to show that religion isn't religion by not accepting that your religion is a religion.

Why do atheists hate religion? Because atheism is a hoax.

[Astargath]

^^^ Oh, that was simply you not accepting science. All you were doing is trying to show that religion isn't religion by not accepting that your religion is a religion.

Why do atheists hate religion? Because atheism is a hoax.

BADecker: The simple answer that is obvious to everyone is the machine quality of the universe. Machines have makers.

BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS

Badecker admits the universe has different creators and not just one, is he finally using his brain?

[BADecker]

^^^ Oh, that was simply you not accepting science. All you were doing is trying to show that religion isn't religion by not accepting that your religion is a religion.

Why do atheists hate religion? Because atheism is a hoax.

BADecker: The simple answer that is obvious to everyone is the machine quality of the universe. Machines have makers.

BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS

Badecker admits the universe has different creators and not just one, is he finally using his brain?

What are you even yammering about. It has been known for ages that the universe has different creators. Look at all the artists who create music, or pictures, or machines.

But there is only one Creator of the universe. The quality and complexity of what He created when He created the universe, shows that He is God by definition.

Atheists get upset after a while, if they are shown that they understand deep down that God exists. Their religion of non-religioin doesn't cut it. If I had such a religion, I would probably hate religion, too.

[Astargath]

^^^ Oh, that was simply you not accepting science. All you were doing is trying to show that religion isn't religion by not accepting that your religion is a religion.

Why do atheists hate religion? Because atheism is a hoax.

BADecker: The simple answer that is obvious to everyone is the machine quality of the universe. Machines have makers.

BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS

Badecker admits the universe has different creators and not just one, is he finally using his brain?

What are you even yammering about. It has been known for ages that the universe has different creators. Look at all the artists who create music, or pictures, or machines.

But there is only one Creator of the universe. The quality and complexity of what He created when He created the universe, shows that He is God by definition.

Atheists get upset after a while, if they are shown that they understand deep down that God exists. Their religion of non-religioin doesn't cut it. If I had such a religion, I would probably hate religion, too.

''The quality and complexity of what He created when He created the universe, shows that He is God by definition.'' The complexity simply shows that it has to be more complex, not that it has to be 1 entity, how does complexity show it's only 1 god and not multiple?

You also said 2 opposite statements in your sentence above.

[Mastrhiggins]

Why do atheists hate religion? Because atheism is a hoax.

As opposed to a supreme being that is a figment of everyone imagination and takes a tremendous leap of faith to believe in?  Ok.

I'll stick with science and facts.

[Astargath]

Why do atheists hate religion? Because atheism is a hoax.

As opposed to a supreme being that is a figment of everyone imagination and takes a tremendous leap of faith to believe in?  Ok.

I'll stick with science and facts.

Who wrote a book to convince people of his existence because he thought that was the best way to convince people, LOL. I wonder how an all powerful, all knowing god wasn't able to convince everyone of his existence.

[BADecker]

Why do atheists hate religion? Because atheism is a hoax.

As opposed to a supreme being that is a figment of everyone imagination and takes a tremendous leap of faith to believe in?  Ok.

I'll stick with science and facts.

Who wrote a book to convince people of his existence because he thought that was the best way to convince people, LOL. I wonder how an all powerful, all knowing god wasn't able to convince everyone of his existence.

God had the Bible written to save people, not because people or their loss do anything to God. It was simply His good nature directed towards people.

These are facts that science isn't capable of easily observing, yet.

[BADecker]

^^^ Oh, that was simply you not accepting science. All you were doing is trying to show that religion isn't religion by not accepting that your religion is a religion.

Why do atheists hate religion? Because atheism is a hoax.

BADecker: The simple answer that is obvious to everyone is the machine quality of the universe. Machines have makers.

BREAKING NEWS BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS  BREAKING NEWS

Badecker admits the universe has different creators and not just one, is he finally using his brain?

What are you even yammering about. It has been known for ages that the universe has different creators. Look at all the artists who create music, or pictures, or machines.

But there is only one Creator of the universe. The quality and complexity of what He created when He created the universe, shows that He is God by definition.

Atheists get upset after a while, if they are shown that they understand deep down that God exists. Their religion of non-religioin doesn't cut it. If I had such a religion, I would probably hate religion, too.

''The quality and complexity of what He created when He created the universe, shows that He is God by definition.'' The complexity simply shows that it has to be more complex, not that it has to be 1 entity, how does complexity show it's only 1 god and not multiple?

You also said 2 opposite statements in your sentence above.

You simply show that you are using political science and talk in the way you express things, and what you express.

The enormity of universal complexity shows that God is God.

[Mastrhiggins]

God had the Bible written to save people, not because people or their loss do anything to God. It was simply His good nature directed towards people.

These are facts that science isn't capable of easily observing, yet.

Because they are not facts, they made up logic to pretend the existence of a supreme being.

[Astargath]

Why do atheists hate religion? Because atheism is a hoax.

As opposed to a supreme being that is a figment of everyone imagination and takes a tremendous leap of faith to believe in?  Ok.

I'll stick with science and facts.

Who wrote a book to convince people of his existence because he thought that was the best way to convince people, LOL. I wonder how an all powerful, all knowing god wasn't able to convince everyone of his existence.

God had the Bible written to save people, not because people or their loss do anything to God. It was simply His good nature directed towards people.

These are facts that science isn't capable of easily observing, yet.

Again if god wanted to save people he would have done so, he perfectly knows the way to convince people of his existence if he wanted to, he would have convinced everyone by now if he wanted to, since he hasn't done so, it means he either doesn't exist or he doesn't want to convince people of his existence.

[BADecker]

^^^ We've been over this long ago. All people know enough way down deep to make a choice for God or against Him. God holds this open for them.

The info is there. They make their choice.

Don't give yourself so little credit for having free will. You aren't being forced to be against God. You are choosing such. Since God wants you to have this freedom - so that it will be your own doing if you go to Hell - consider the evidence and proof for God, and make the right choice, so that you go to Heaven.