Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[BADecker]

Most people have been taught that religion is like a church to worship God, or to practice some philosophy that is written down with clear rules and dogma. Most people don't realize that the word religion was first applied to the way people live, and is still applied that way in the dictionary definition of religion. See http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t.

[De Mukerere]

i'm not an atheist but I have seriously considered being one. I was born into a christian family. In Nigeria, we have conservative Christians and liberalism. The conservatives had more strict christian practices than the liberals. We got converted from Catholicism to conservative Christianity. Mum became an enthusiast and was forcing everyone to adhere to the teachings in church but to my utter amazement she was not capable of keeping all the laws. to worsen it all I was sent to a missionary school owned by a conservative church where we were bullied into adhering to those teachings while our instructors will failed before our eyes to keep the same principles they had punished us for. I felt Christianity was a joke and wanted to try Islam. I was just waiting for an opportunity to leave home to where I can join Islam without the knowledge of my family members.

Finally, the opportunity came. I got admission to study in the university. I proposed that on getting to the university, I will join the Muslim community instead of Christians. However, on getting to the university I saw something that marveled me, Christians both conservatives and liberals worshiping God for a different reason. Prior to this time we have worshiped God for fear of going to hell but here are people worshiping God for their love for him and they were more consistent in keeping the commands of God and they didn't criticize nor mock those who were inconsistent, they rather encouraged them to keep up in order to repay God for his kindness and love to humanity. Moreso, I saw the power of God practically displayed in their midst as were told in the bible and in our churches back home. I was moved to reconsider my thoughts. I joined them and I started seeing transformations in my life and today I am a conservative Christian believer.

So in my thoughts I will say atheist were not opportuned to see the other side of things that is why they are filled with prejudice for religion. They let the weakness they saw in people inform the basis for their conclusion. Had I not had a second may be I would have been an atheist with so much indignation for Christianity or every religion.

[agus_sna]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

[BADecker]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

[Astargath]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

[BADecker]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

[Astargath]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

[BADecker]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

[Ladyechy]

In short, people as a society can progress through learning from past experiences. This includes reviewing values ​​that are no longer appropriate for the times and have the courage to change them. Moral values ​​are not something stagnant, but something that can be continually improved. The anti-religious atheists assume that the anticritic religious dogma tends to inhibit the progress of both the acceptance of both saints and the moral system. But of course, just like not all atheists are caught up in dogma, nor are all anti-religious atheists.

[Astargath]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

[BADecker]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

Well, of course you don't understand. If you did, you would understand God all around you in nature.

Look at this simple example. The little girl goes with Mom and Dad to the store. She wants to get Dad a birthday present for his birthday, as a surprise. Dad and Mom both realize this. So, by agreement with Mom, Dad takes off for a moment to a different department, so that Mom can help the little girl find and buy the surprise gift for Dad.

Does Dad not know what is going on? Is he not aware of the items in the store? Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes, and his daughter gives him his surprise gift.

Inside you is a piece of free will that God has hidden from Himself. Why has He hidden this? Because He is hoping to be surprised by a sudden free will turn that you can make in faith towards Him. This is the thing that Abraham did. Abraham turned his little free will faith towards God, and God was surprised and pleased. Why was God surprised? Because He had hidden Abraham's free will from Himself. He rewarded Abraham for the change that Abraham made.

Had God wanted, He could have easily focused in on Abraham to see what Abraham's free will was going to do. But He didn't, in part so that He could be overjoyed, so that he could have a reason to reward Abraham. God is great. God is wonderful. He loves having reason to reward people. And He rewards them with the things that they need in life, as well as with additional things that He makes excuses for Himself to give them... excuses made when he hides their free will from Himself so that He can be overjoyed by it later.

So far you are a disappointment to God. But if you were to suddenly turn to Him, now that He has seen what the part of yourself that He has hidden from Himself is doing, He would be so overjoyed with you that He would reward you greatly.

I expect that if you read this, you will understand. But I also expect that you will not even acknowledge that you understand. At this stage, if you even acknowledge that you understand, this would please God. So, at least do that much. Maybe God will reward you by adjusting your faith in such a way so that you can turn to Him and be saved.

[ASNAKU]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

What do you think after the life of the world?
If we are religious, we think after there is a world there must be a world after this earth,
If I as a Muslim, we are taught after the life of the world there is a life of Hereafter, and in my place there for the good and bad people, there we will be responsible for the world, we as human certainly not escape from sin, so we will be accountable in nature there?

[Astargath]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

Well, of course you don't understand. If you did, you would understand God all around you in nature.

Look at this simple example. The little girl goes with Mom and Dad to the store. She wants to get Dad a birthday present for his birthday, as a surprise. Dad and Mom both realize this. So, by agreement with Mom, Dad takes off for a moment to a different department, so that Mom can help the little girl find and buy the surprise gift for Dad.

Does Dad not know what is going on? Is he not aware of the items in the store? Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes, and his daughter gives him his surprise gift.

Inside you is a piece of free will that God has hidden from Himself. Why has He hidden this? Because He is hoping to be surprised by a sudden free will turn that you can make in faith towards Him. This is the thing that Abraham did. Abraham turned his little free will faith towards God, and God was surprised and pleased. Why was God surprised? Because He had hidden Abraham's free will from Himself. He rewarded Abraham for the change that Abraham made.

Had God wanted, He could have easily focused in on Abraham to see what Abraham's free will was going to do. But He didn't, in part so that He could be overjoyed, so that he could have a reason to reward Abraham. God is great. God is wonderful. He loves having reason to reward people. And He rewards them with the things that they need in life, as well as with additional things that He makes excuses for Himself to give them... excuses made when he hides their free will from Himself so that He can be overjoyed by it later.

So far you are a disappointment to God. But if you were to suddenly turn to Him, now that He has seen what the part of yourself that He has hidden from Himself is doing, He would be so overjoyed with you that He would reward you greatly.

I expect that if you read this, you will understand. But I also expect that you will not even acknowledge that you understand. At this stage, if you even acknowledge that you understand, this would please God. So, at least do that much. Maybe God will reward you by adjusting your faith in such a way so that you can turn to Him and be saved.

First and foremost that would still mean that everything is already dictated by god even if he ''hides the information for himself'' so my point still stands. There is no free will.

''Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes'' He wouldn't be ''truly'' surprised if he knew beforehand lol.

[BADecker]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

Well, of course you don't understand. If you did, you would understand God all around you in nature.

Look at this simple example. The little girl goes with Mom and Dad to the store. She wants to get Dad a birthday present for his birthday, as a surprise. Dad and Mom both realize this. So, by agreement with Mom, Dad takes off for a moment to a different department, so that Mom can help the little girl find and buy the surprise gift for Dad.

Does Dad not know what is going on? Is he not aware of the items in the store? Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes, and his daughter gives him his surprise gift.

Inside you is a piece of free will that God has hidden from Himself. Why has He hidden this? Because He is hoping to be surprised by a sudden free will turn that you can make in faith towards Him. This is the thing that Abraham did. Abraham turned his little free will faith towards God, and God was surprised and pleased. Why was God surprised? Because He had hidden Abraham's free will from Himself. He rewarded Abraham for the change that Abraham made.

Had God wanted, He could have easily focused in on Abraham to see what Abraham's free will was going to do. But He didn't, in part so that He could be overjoyed, so that he could have a reason to reward Abraham. God is great. God is wonderful. He loves having reason to reward people. And He rewards them with the things that they need in life, as well as with additional things that He makes excuses for Himself to give them... excuses made when he hides their free will from Himself so that He can be overjoyed by it later.

So far you are a disappointment to God. But if you were to suddenly turn to Him, now that He has seen what the part of yourself that He has hidden from Himself is doing, He would be so overjoyed with you that He would reward you greatly.

I expect that if you read this, you will understand. But I also expect that you will not even acknowledge that you understand. At this stage, if you even acknowledge that you understand, this would please God. So, at least do that much. Maybe God will reward you by adjusting your faith in such a way so that you can turn to Him and be saved.

First and foremost that would still mean that everything is already dictated by god even if he ''hides the information for himself'' so my point still stands. There is no free will.

''Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes'' He wouldn't be ''truly'' surprised if he knew beforehand lol.

Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question. The question has to do with whether or not I can explain something to you when you will resist the explanation even when it makes sense.

This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.

The clarity of your failure is this. God is shown strongly throughout the universe, and so-called atheists even hold themselves up in god authority by stating that they have enough capability to suggest that God doesn't exist, making them to not be atheists, and proving that God exists even among the so-called atheists.

All of this means that you folks are against God. The results will be apparent in the Judgment.

[Astargath]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

Well, of course you don't understand. If you did, you would understand God all around you in nature.

Look at this simple example. The little girl goes with Mom and Dad to the store. She wants to get Dad a birthday present for his birthday, as a surprise. Dad and Mom both realize this. So, by agreement with Mom, Dad takes off for a moment to a different department, so that Mom can help the little girl find and buy the surprise gift for Dad.

Does Dad not know what is going on? Is he not aware of the items in the store? Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes, and his daughter gives him his surprise gift.

Inside you is a piece of free will that God has hidden from Himself. Why has He hidden this? Because He is hoping to be surprised by a sudden free will turn that you can make in faith towards Him. This is the thing that Abraham did. Abraham turned his little free will faith towards God, and God was surprised and pleased. Why was God surprised? Because He had hidden Abraham's free will from Himself. He rewarded Abraham for the change that Abraham made.

Had God wanted, He could have easily focused in on Abraham to see what Abraham's free will was going to do. But He didn't, in part so that He could be overjoyed, so that he could have a reason to reward Abraham. God is great. God is wonderful. He loves having reason to reward people. And He rewards them with the things that they need in life, as well as with additional things that He makes excuses for Himself to give them... excuses made when he hides their free will from Himself so that He can be overjoyed by it later.

So far you are a disappointment to God. But if you were to suddenly turn to Him, now that He has seen what the part of yourself that He has hidden from Himself is doing, He would be so overjoyed with you that He would reward you greatly.

I expect that if you read this, you will understand. But I also expect that you will not even acknowledge that you understand. At this stage, if you even acknowledge that you understand, this would please God. So, at least do that much. Maybe God will reward you by adjusting your faith in such a way so that you can turn to Him and be saved.

First and foremost that would still mean that everything is already dictated by god even if he ''hides the information for himself'' so my point still stands. There is no free will.

''Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes'' He wouldn't be ''truly'' surprised if he knew beforehand lol.

Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question. The question has to do with whether or not I can explain something to you when you will resist the explanation even when it makes sense.

This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.

The clarity of your failure is this. God is shown strongly throughout the universe, and so-called atheists even hold themselves up in god authority by stating that they have enough capability to suggest that God doesn't exist, making them to not be atheists, and proving that God exists even among the so-called atheists.

All of this means that you folks are against God. The results will be apparent in the Judgment.

''Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question.'' That is actually the question, that's what I'm saying. If you agree that god dictates everything then there is no free will and we shouldn't be responsible for our actions.

''This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.'' Well it's not my resistance, it's god's resistance since he dictated everything.

[BADecker]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

Well, of course you don't understand. If you did, you would understand God all around you in nature.

Look at this simple example. The little girl goes with Mom and Dad to the store. She wants to get Dad a birthday present for his birthday, as a surprise. Dad and Mom both realize this. So, by agreement with Mom, Dad takes off for a moment to a different department, so that Mom can help the little girl find and buy the surprise gift for Dad.

Does Dad not know what is going on? Is he not aware of the items in the store? Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes, and his daughter gives him his surprise gift.

Inside you is a piece of free will that God has hidden from Himself. Why has He hidden this? Because He is hoping to be surprised by a sudden free will turn that you can make in faith towards Him. This is the thing that Abraham did. Abraham turned his little free will faith towards God, and God was surprised and pleased. Why was God surprised? Because He had hidden Abraham's free will from Himself. He rewarded Abraham for the change that Abraham made.

Had God wanted, He could have easily focused in on Abraham to see what Abraham's free will was going to do. But He didn't, in part so that He could be overjoyed, so that he could have a reason to reward Abraham. God is great. God is wonderful. He loves having reason to reward people. And He rewards them with the things that they need in life, as well as with additional things that He makes excuses for Himself to give them... excuses made when he hides their free will from Himself so that He can be overjoyed by it later.

So far you are a disappointment to God. But if you were to suddenly turn to Him, now that He has seen what the part of yourself that He has hidden from Himself is doing, He would be so overjoyed with you that He would reward you greatly.

I expect that if you read this, you will understand. But I also expect that you will not even acknowledge that you understand. At this stage, if you even acknowledge that you understand, this would please God. So, at least do that much. Maybe God will reward you by adjusting your faith in such a way so that you can turn to Him and be saved.

First and foremost that would still mean that everything is already dictated by god even if he ''hides the information for himself'' so my point still stands. There is no free will.

''Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes'' He wouldn't be ''truly'' surprised if he knew beforehand lol.

Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question. The question has to do with whether or not I can explain something to you when you will resist the explanation even when it makes sense.

This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.

The clarity of your failure is this. God is shown strongly throughout the universe, and so-called atheists even hold themselves up in god authority by stating that they have enough capability to suggest that God doesn't exist, making them to not be atheists, and proving that God exists even among the so-called atheists.

All of this means that you folks are against God. The results will be apparent in the Judgment.

''Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question.'' That is actually the question, that's what I'm saying. If you agree that god dictates everything then there is no free will and we shouldn't be responsible for our actions.

''This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.'' Well it's not my resistance, it's god's resistance since he dictated everything.

Your free will is not a thing dictated by God. Rather, it is a touch of God Himself in you.

Everything else in your life is directed completely by God. He directs these things righteously, according to the amount of faith you have in Him.

Your destruction is your choice. Because of Jesus, your salvation is your choice, as well. God only directs the course of your life according to what you choose in the tiny free will part of yourself that you have.

[Astargath]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

Well, of course you don't understand. If you did, you would understand God all around you in nature.

Look at this simple example. The little girl goes with Mom and Dad to the store. She wants to get Dad a birthday present for his birthday, as a surprise. Dad and Mom both realize this. So, by agreement with Mom, Dad takes off for a moment to a different department, so that Mom can help the little girl find and buy the surprise gift for Dad.

Does Dad not know what is going on? Is he not aware of the items in the store? Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes, and his daughter gives him his surprise gift.

Inside you is a piece of free will that God has hidden from Himself. Why has He hidden this? Because He is hoping to be surprised by a sudden free will turn that you can make in faith towards Him. This is the thing that Abraham did. Abraham turned his little free will faith towards God, and God was surprised and pleased. Why was God surprised? Because He had hidden Abraham's free will from Himself. He rewarded Abraham for the change that Abraham made.

Had God wanted, He could have easily focused in on Abraham to see what Abraham's free will was going to do. But He didn't, in part so that He could be overjoyed, so that he could have a reason to reward Abraham. God is great. God is wonderful. He loves having reason to reward people. And He rewards them with the things that they need in life, as well as with additional things that He makes excuses for Himself to give them... excuses made when he hides their free will from Himself so that He can be overjoyed by it later.

So far you are a disappointment to God. But if you were to suddenly turn to Him, now that He has seen what the part of yourself that He has hidden from Himself is doing, He would be so overjoyed with you that He would reward you greatly.

I expect that if you read this, you will understand. But I also expect that you will not even acknowledge that you understand. At this stage, if you even acknowledge that you understand, this would please God. So, at least do that much. Maybe God will reward you by adjusting your faith in such a way so that you can turn to Him and be saved.

First and foremost that would still mean that everything is already dictated by god even if he ''hides the information for himself'' so my point still stands. There is no free will.

''Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes'' He wouldn't be ''truly'' surprised if he knew beforehand lol.

Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question. The question has to do with whether or not I can explain something to you when you will resist the explanation even when it makes sense.

This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.

The clarity of your failure is this. God is shown strongly throughout the universe, and so-called atheists even hold themselves up in god authority by stating that they have enough capability to suggest that God doesn't exist, making them to not be atheists, and proving that God exists even among the so-called atheists.

All of this means that you folks are against God. The results will be apparent in the Judgment.

''Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question.'' That is actually the question, that's what I'm saying. If you agree that god dictates everything then there is no free will and we shouldn't be responsible for our actions.

''This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.'' Well it's not my resistance, it's god's resistance since he dictated everything.

Your free will is not a thing dictated by God. Rather, it is a touch of God Himself in you.

Everything else in your life is directed completely by God. He directs these things righteously, according to the amount of faith you have in Him.

Your destruction is your choice. Because of Jesus, your salvation is your choice, as well. God only directs the course of your life according to what you choose in the tiny free will part of yourself that you have.

How does a baby chose his faith in god, if the only free will you have is the ''faith'' you have in god, how does it start, do you start by believing automatically in god? I don't see how it works.

[BADecker]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

Well, of course you don't understand. If you did, you would understand God all around you in nature.

Look at this simple example. The little girl goes with Mom and Dad to the store. She wants to get Dad a birthday present for his birthday, as a surprise. Dad and Mom both realize this. So, by agreement with Mom, Dad takes off for a moment to a different department, so that Mom can help the little girl find and buy the surprise gift for Dad.

Does Dad not know what is going on? Is he not aware of the items in the store? Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes, and his daughter gives him his surprise gift.

Inside you is a piece of free will that God has hidden from Himself. Why has He hidden this? Because He is hoping to be surprised by a sudden free will turn that you can make in faith towards Him. This is the thing that Abraham did. Abraham turned his little free will faith towards God, and God was surprised and pleased. Why was God surprised? Because He had hidden Abraham's free will from Himself. He rewarded Abraham for the change that Abraham made.

Had God wanted, He could have easily focused in on Abraham to see what Abraham's free will was going to do. But He didn't, in part so that He could be overjoyed, so that he could have a reason to reward Abraham. God is great. God is wonderful. He loves having reason to reward people. And He rewards them with the things that they need in life, as well as with additional things that He makes excuses for Himself to give them... excuses made when he hides their free will from Himself so that He can be overjoyed by it later.

So far you are a disappointment to God. But if you were to suddenly turn to Him, now that He has seen what the part of yourself that He has hidden from Himself is doing, He would be so overjoyed with you that He would reward you greatly.

I expect that if you read this, you will understand. But I also expect that you will not even acknowledge that you understand. At this stage, if you even acknowledge that you understand, this would please God. So, at least do that much. Maybe God will reward you by adjusting your faith in such a way so that you can turn to Him and be saved.

First and foremost that would still mean that everything is already dictated by god even if he ''hides the information for himself'' so my point still stands. There is no free will.

''Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes'' He wouldn't be ''truly'' surprised if he knew beforehand lol.

Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question. The question has to do with whether or not I can explain something to you when you will resist the explanation even when it makes sense.

This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.

The clarity of your failure is this. God is shown strongly throughout the universe, and so-called atheists even hold themselves up in god authority by stating that they have enough capability to suggest that God doesn't exist, making them to not be atheists, and proving that God exists even among the so-called atheists.

All of this means that you folks are against God. The results will be apparent in the Judgment.

''Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question.'' That is actually the question, that's what I'm saying. If you agree that god dictates everything then there is no free will and we shouldn't be responsible for our actions.

''This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.'' Well it's not my resistance, it's god's resistance since he dictated everything.

Your free will is not a thing dictated by God. Rather, it is a touch of God Himself in you.

Everything else in your life is directed completely by God. He directs these things righteously, according to the amount of faith you have in Him.

Your destruction is your choice. Because of Jesus, your salvation is your choice, as well. God only directs the course of your life according to what you choose in the tiny free will part of yourself that you have.

How does a baby chose his faith in god, if the only free will you have is the ''faith'' you have in god, how does it start, do you start by believing automatically in god? I don't see how it works.

FYI, Matthew 19:14:

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

The point is, when you are involved with your own being put together in the womb, such is all you know. It is marvelous to you. You have great faith in the Master Builder Who is putting you together in Mommy's tummy, because you are living with Him while He is working on you.

It is only after your higher functions become active, especially after your birth, that you start to turn away, tempted by your own desires for other things.

[Astargath]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

Well, of course you don't understand. If you did, you would understand God all around you in nature.

Look at this simple example. The little girl goes with Mom and Dad to the store. She wants to get Dad a birthday present for his birthday, as a surprise. Dad and Mom both realize this. So, by agreement with Mom, Dad takes off for a moment to a different department, so that Mom can help the little girl find and buy the surprise gift for Dad.

Does Dad not know what is going on? Is he not aware of the items in the store? Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes, and his daughter gives him his surprise gift.

Inside you is a piece of free will that God has hidden from Himself. Why has He hidden this? Because He is hoping to be surprised by a sudden free will turn that you can make in faith towards Him. This is the thing that Abraham did. Abraham turned his little free will faith towards God, and God was surprised and pleased. Why was God surprised? Because He had hidden Abraham's free will from Himself. He rewarded Abraham for the change that Abraham made.

Had God wanted, He could have easily focused in on Abraham to see what Abraham's free will was going to do. But He didn't, in part so that He could be overjoyed, so that he could have a reason to reward Abraham. God is great. God is wonderful. He loves having reason to reward people. And He rewards them with the things that they need in life, as well as with additional things that He makes excuses for Himself to give them... excuses made when he hides their free will from Himself so that He can be overjoyed by it later.

So far you are a disappointment to God. But if you were to suddenly turn to Him, now that He has seen what the part of yourself that He has hidden from Himself is doing, He would be so overjoyed with you that He would reward you greatly.

I expect that if you read this, you will understand. But I also expect that you will not even acknowledge that you understand. At this stage, if you even acknowledge that you understand, this would please God. So, at least do that much. Maybe God will reward you by adjusting your faith in such a way so that you can turn to Him and be saved.

First and foremost that would still mean that everything is already dictated by god even if he ''hides the information for himself'' so my point still stands. There is no free will.

''Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes'' He wouldn't be ''truly'' surprised if he knew beforehand lol.

Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question. The question has to do with whether or not I can explain something to you when you will resist the explanation even when it makes sense.

This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.

The clarity of your failure is this. God is shown strongly throughout the universe, and so-called atheists even hold themselves up in god authority by stating that they have enough capability to suggest that God doesn't exist, making them to not be atheists, and proving that God exists even among the so-called atheists.

All of this means that you folks are against God. The results will be apparent in the Judgment.

''Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question.'' That is actually the question, that's what I'm saying. If you agree that god dictates everything then there is no free will and we shouldn't be responsible for our actions.

''This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.'' Well it's not my resistance, it's god's resistance since he dictated everything.

Your free will is not a thing dictated by God. Rather, it is a touch of God Himself in you.

Everything else in your life is directed completely by God. He directs these things righteously, according to the amount of faith you have in Him.

Your destruction is your choice. Because of Jesus, your salvation is your choice, as well. God only directs the course of your life according to what you choose in the tiny free will part of yourself that you have.

How does a baby chose his faith in god, if the only free will you have is the ''faith'' you have in god, how does it start, do you start by believing automatically in god? I don't see how it works.

FYI, Matthew 19:14:

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

The point is, when you are involved with your own being put together in the womb, such is all you know. It is marvelous to you. You have great faith in the Master Builder Who is putting you together in Mommy's tummy, because you are living with Him while He is working on you.

It is only after your higher functions become active, especially after your birth, that you start to turn away, tempted by your own desires for other things.

Then it doesn't work, if everyone believes in god but starts to turn away due to other things, it's not fair. I mean look at this example, someone born in a christian family vs someone born in a muslim country, the guy born in a muslim country will almost never turn to christianity because he is heavily influenced by everyone, not only his parents and family but virtually everyone in the country. The guy who is born in a christian family however has a very easy way to believe in god. So it is 500 times harder for the guy who was born in a muslim country to ever accept your god than it is for the guy who is born in a christian family and how do we know that the guy born in a christian family would have believed in god if he was born in a muslim country? It's not fair, if being here is a test of faith for god then it is not a fair test.

[BADecker]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

I am an Islamic, even though I am not entirely devoted / forth, I still respect one's own decision, I respect other people's religions, I leave it to the person itself because it is not to be imposed on everyone because we are vary according to their beliefs,
Now what do you do after you die / die?
Do you think finished after death?
I think not, I think after death is the beginning we start a real life,
Hopefully you are given the best way. Amen ..

Why don't you kill yourself then?  Oh, wait, you guys are already doing it.  Never mind.

As friends of all people, we are giving you and others the chance to be saved like we will be. If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved, we could save the ones who will be saved, and forget about jokers like you. Our job would be done a lot sooner.

Since there still might be a chance for you, we continue to preach to you, and hope our preaching will save you this time.

''If we knew for a fact which of you would never be saved,'' Perhaps an omniscient god would know such thing, hmm, wait a second...

... wait a second. How could God give free will to people if He knew what they were going to do ahead of time?

There you go, you disproved god, congratulations. It is indeed impossible to allow free will and be omniscient at the same time.

Oh, don't be so dense. Even you hide things from yourself at times. How do we know? We know it by the fact that you don't believe in God.

I don't really see what your response has to do with mine. We are talking about being omniscient and free will at the same time, focus badecker. It seems like there is some sort of mechanism in your brain that switches everytime you read an argument that works against your god and so you either have to forget about it or talk about something else. It's your mechanism of defense lol

Well, of course you don't understand. If you did, you would understand God all around you in nature.

Look at this simple example. The little girl goes with Mom and Dad to the store. She wants to get Dad a birthday present for his birthday, as a surprise. Dad and Mom both realize this. So, by agreement with Mom, Dad takes off for a moment to a different department, so that Mom can help the little girl find and buy the surprise gift for Dad.

Does Dad not know what is going on? Is he not aware of the items in the store? Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes, and his daughter gives him his surprise gift.

Inside you is a piece of free will that God has hidden from Himself. Why has He hidden this? Because He is hoping to be surprised by a sudden free will turn that you can make in faith towards Him. This is the thing that Abraham did. Abraham turned his little free will faith towards God, and God was surprised and pleased. Why was God surprised? Because He had hidden Abraham's free will from Himself. He rewarded Abraham for the change that Abraham made.

Had God wanted, He could have easily focused in on Abraham to see what Abraham's free will was going to do. But He didn't, in part so that He could be overjoyed, so that he could have a reason to reward Abraham. God is great. God is wonderful. He loves having reason to reward people. And He rewards them with the things that they need in life, as well as with additional things that He makes excuses for Himself to give them... excuses made when he hides their free will from Himself so that He can be overjoyed by it later.

So far you are a disappointment to God. But if you were to suddenly turn to Him, now that He has seen what the part of yourself that He has hidden from Himself is doing, He would be so overjoyed with you that He would reward you greatly.

I expect that if you read this, you will understand. But I also expect that you will not even acknowledge that you understand. At this stage, if you even acknowledge that you understand, this would please God. So, at least do that much. Maybe God will reward you by adjusting your faith in such a way so that you can turn to Him and be saved.

First and foremost that would still mean that everything is already dictated by god even if he ''hides the information for himself'' so my point still stands. There is no free will.

''Yet he hides the info from himself so that he can be truly surprised when his birthday comes'' He wouldn't be ''truly'' surprised if he knew beforehand lol.

Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question. The question has to do with whether or not I can explain something to you when you will resist the explanation even when it makes sense.

This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.

The clarity of your failure is this. God is shown strongly throughout the universe, and so-called atheists even hold themselves up in god authority by stating that they have enough capability to suggest that God doesn't exist, making them to not be atheists, and proving that God exists even among the so-called atheists.

All of this means that you folks are against God. The results will be apparent in the Judgment.

''Every thing being dictated by God is absolutely correct. Your free will isn't a "thing." But that isn't the question.'' That is actually the question, that's what I'm saying. If you agree that god dictates everything then there is no free will and we shouldn't be responsible for our actions.

''This means that the point is that you will be roasting in Hell because of your intentional resistance.'' Well it's not my resistance, it's god's resistance since he dictated everything.

Your free will is not a thing dictated by God. Rather, it is a touch of God Himself in you.

Everything else in your life is directed completely by God. He directs these things righteously, according to the amount of faith you have in Him.

Your destruction is your choice. Because of Jesus, your salvation is your choice, as well. God only directs the course of your life according to what you choose in the tiny free will part of yourself that you have.

How does a baby chose his faith in god, if the only free will you have is the ''faith'' you have in god, how does it start, do you start by believing automatically in god? I don't see how it works.

FYI, Matthew 19:14:

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

The point is, when you are involved with your own being put together in the womb, such is all you know. It is marvelous to you. You have great faith in the Master Builder Who is putting you together in Mommy's tummy, because you are living with Him while He is working on you.

It is only after your higher functions become active, especially after your birth, that you start to turn away, tempted by your own desires for other things.

Then it doesn't work, if everyone believes in god but starts to turn away due to other things, it's not fair. I mean look at this example, someone born in a christian family vs someone born in a muslim country, the guy born in a muslim country will almost never turn to christianity because he is heavily influenced by everyone, not only his parents and family but virtually everyone in the country. The guy who is born in a christian family however has a very easy way to believe in god. So it is 500 times harder for the guy who was born in a muslim country to ever accept your god than it is for the guy who is born in a christian family and how do we know that the guy born in a christian family would have believed in god if he was born in a muslim country? It's not fair, if being here is a test of faith for god then it is not a fair test.

There, there. Don't feel so sad. You are making me cry (sniffle).