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December 18, 2018, 05:38:27 PM
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December 19, 2018, 01:43:19 AM
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"When asked how he would respond to there being a Next Life, and being asked By God why he did not believe, the famed intellectual, Sidney Hook, replied: "God, you didn't give me enough evidence". And there, sir, is an end on it."

The Great Divorce: The Intellectual
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10vnY-YR2JI

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December 19, 2018, 11:54:06 AM
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"When asked how he would respond to there being a Next Life, and being asked By God why he did not believe, the famed intellectual, Sidney Hook, replied: "God, you didn't give me enough evidence". And there, sir, is an end on it."

The Great Divorce: The Intellectual
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10vnY-YR2JI

I would say: "Well, there were too many stories about you, all equally ridiculous.  People who claimed to be your representatives in all major religions behaved like common criminals (raping children and killing in your name), I did not want to be associated with them and their Gods.  Reports of you, your angels and devil completely disappeared after the cameras were invented.  You gave me my brain so I used it.  So in a way, I did not believe because of YOU."

BTW, if I were God I would not want to be around people who blindly worship me, without questioning my decisions, agreeing with me all the time for eternity.  

That would be BORING.

I would rather have some smart aleck Atheists at my side so that I can have some decent conversation with them.

Unless of course, God is like Trump, then all bets are off.

PS. God if you are reading this, please reply.  If you are not the first being to reply in this thread, I know you don't really exist or you don't give a flying puck about some apes on a tiny planet in the middle of nowhere.

God will reply to you in His own time. If you don't change, you won't like the reply.

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December 19, 2018, 12:16:20 PM
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"When asked how he would respond to there being a Next Life, and being asked By God why he did not believe, the famed intellectual, Sidney Hook, replied: "God, you didn't give me enough evidence". And there, sir, is an end on it."

The Great Divorce: The Intellectual
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10vnY-YR2JI

I would say: "Well, there were too many stories about you, all equally ridiculous.  People who claimed to be your representatives in all major religions behaved like common criminals (raping children and killing in your name), I did not want to be associated with them and their Gods.  Reports of you, your angels and devil completely disappeared after the cameras were invented.  You gave me my brain so I used it.  So in a way, I did not believe because of YOU."

BTW, if I were God I would not want to be around people who blindly worship me, without questioning my decisions, agreeing with me all the time for eternity.  

That would be BORING.

I would rather have some smart aleck Atheists at my side so that I can have some decent conversation with them.

Unless of course, God is like Trump, then all bets are off.

PS. God if you are reading this, please reply.  If you are not the first being to reply in this thread, I know you don't really exist or you don't give a flying puck about some apes on a tiny planet in the middle of nowhere.

God will reply to you in His own time. If you don't change, you won't like the reply.

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I think you just proved my point.

Your point doesn't have anything to do with God. It has to do with you playing God. God isn't going to be controlled by you.

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December 19, 2018, 01:48:09 PM
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I don't hate any religion but yeah, some facts and rituals are quite unfair. Almost all religions have different rules for men and women. I don't think any religion should differentiate between two genders.

My religion as well has some facts I don't agree with. "If someone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other cheek as well." "If one doesn't go to the Church on every Sunday, he is a sinner".

Religion shouldn't make someone lose their self respect or make anything compulsory for a person else they are called sinners. I'm not an atheist but do criticize religion at times.


I agree. And this is the point. The majority of religions were created back when the position of woman was defined by the body strength. If we want to keep being there and keep believing and keeping some of the ideals of our religions then equality is the most important thing in my mind.
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December 19, 2018, 07:26:40 PM
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I think you just proved my point.

Your point doesn't have anything to do with God. It has to do with you playing God. God isn't going to be controlled by you.

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Controlled by me?  It was a simple fucking request to show up for work. 

Dude, now I know you are trolling me.  Anyway, you are far gone in your delusion to understand anything I am posting.

Take care.


People are the servants, not God. Why don't you show up for work at your local church?

You are trolling yourself by ignoring all the evidence that God exists.

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December 24, 2018, 11:55:25 AM
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I agree. And this is the point. The majority of religions were created back when the position of woman was defined by the body strength. If we want to keep being there and keep believing and keeping some of the ideals of our religions then equality is the most important thing in my mind.

True, women should have equal power to men when it comes to high power, authority positions in churches and other religious institutes.


Let's have a female Pope.

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December 24, 2018, 12:15:32 PM
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I agree. And this is the point. The majority of religions were created back when the position of woman was defined by the body strength. If we want to keep being there and keep believing and keeping some of the ideals of our religions then equality is the most important thing in my mind.

True, women should have equal power to men when it comes to high power, authority positions in churches and other religious institutes.


Let's have a female Pope.

No, they ''shouldn't'' They should earn it in any case, which they can, they just don't want to.

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December 24, 2018, 12:42:56 PM
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I agree. And this is the point. The majority of religions were created back when the position of woman was defined by the body strength. If we want to keep being there and keep believing and keeping some of the ideals of our religions then equality is the most important thing in my mind.

True, women should have equal power to men when it comes to high power, authority positions in churches and other religious institutes.


Let's have a female Pope.

No, they ''shouldn't'' They should earn it in any case, which they can, they just don't want to.

True, what I meant to say was they should be given the opportunity to earn the position. Currently, they are not.

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December 24, 2018, 01:16:03 PM
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I agree. And this is the point. The majority of religions were created back when the position of woman was defined by the body strength. If we want to keep being there and keep believing and keeping some of the ideals of our religions then equality is the most important thing in my mind.

True, women should have equal power to men when it comes to high power, authority positions in churches and other religious institutes.


Let's have a female Pope.

No, they ''shouldn't'' They should earn it in any case, which they can, they just don't want to.

True, what I meant to say was they should be given the opportunity to earn the position. Currently, they are not.

They certainly are lmao, not about the pope but anything else. They just like to whine about it instead of doing it. Women are weaker than men and will never achieve the same things in proportion.

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December 24, 2018, 02:04:52 PM
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It's a pity that we can't live all peacefully
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December 24, 2018, 09:20:10 PM
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They certainly are lmao, not about the pope but anything else.

I do hope so.

They just like to whine about it instead of doing it. Women are weaker than men and will never achieve the same things in proportion.

When it comes to being Head of Church or Pope, I am not seeing how physical attributes are relevant. The Pope is not a physically strong person and would probably lose in a physical battle with most female athletes.

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December 25, 2018, 08:57:49 AM
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most people believe Religion poison's everything and they are fed up with the religious extremism, terrorism and conflict plaguing the world. most are advocating that core dogmas must be exposed, abandoned, and replaced by rationality and reason.
"the world needs to wake up from its long nightmare of religious belief" said Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg. he also said that anything we scientists can do to weaken the hold of religion should be done and may in the end be our greatest contribution to civilization. so most persons feel that civilized people should not hold tight to religion but be rational thinkers
i am a physicist and respect the belief and choice of others when it comes to religious matter but i strongly believe in the bible and know that there is a true religion.   
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December 25, 2018, 10:06:27 AM
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i am a physicist and respect the belief and choice of others when it comes to religious matter but i strongly believe in the bible and know that there is a true religion.   

I respect the belief and choice of others too when it comes to religious matter. I am happy to hear that a professional physicist is endorsing stories in the bible and believes in its authenticity.

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December 25, 2018, 10:15:00 AM
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They certainly are lmao, not about the pope but anything else.

I do hope so.

They just like to whine about it instead of doing it. Women are weaker than men and will never achieve the same things in proportion.

When it comes to being Head of Church or Pope, I am not seeing how physical attributes are relevant. The Pope is not a physically strong person and would probably lose in a physical battle with most female athletes.

The church is following the rules on the bible which clearly state women are inferior and should not be certain things.

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December 26, 2018, 11:18:03 AM
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The church is following the rules on the bible which clearly state women are inferior and should not be certain things.

This is precisely the point. The suggestion to improve religion is that it should be updated to embrace the modern view of equal rights and privileges among all men and women.

Like these quotes were suggesting:

The majority of religions were created back when the position of woman was defined by the body strength. If we want to keep being there and keep believing and keeping some of the ideals of our religions then equality is the most important thing in my mind.

I don't hate any religion but yeah, some facts and rituals are quite unfair. Almost all religions have different rules for men and women. I don't think any religion should differentiate between two genders.

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December 26, 2018, 11:48:55 AM
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The church is following the rules on the bible which clearly state women are inferior and should not be certain things.

This is precisely the point. The suggestion to improve religion is that it should be updated to embrace the modern view of equal rights and privileges among all men and women.

Like these quotes were suggesting:

The majority of religions were created back when the position of woman was defined by the body strength. If we want to keep being there and keep believing and keeping some of the ideals of our religions then equality is the most important thing in my mind.

I don't hate any religion but yeah, some facts and rituals are quite unfair. Almost all religions have different rules for men and women. I don't think any religion should differentiate between two genders.

What we should do is get rid of religions. ''Updating'' a religion makes no sense considering they claim the bible is the ultimate moral guide because god.

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December 26, 2018, 02:12:54 PM
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What we should do is get rid of religions. ''Updating'' a religion makes no sense considering they claim the bible is the ultimate moral guide because god.

The bible does not prohibit women from becoming powerful Church authorities, the religions assigning Church leaders and popes are based on historical traditions rather than the bible.

Past traditions are not always the best ones, but some people like to do things "the way they have always been done"

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Basing your epistemology on talking snakes, flying horses, and pregnant virgins is not a way to go.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Except that you don't know for a fact that these weren't things that existed in the past. Or that they don't exist, right now, in remote places. Since you don't know, you only believe. Such believing shows that you have religion, even if you haven't made it formal.

You're stuck. You just can't get away from religion, just like all atheists, and all people.

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What we should do is get rid of religions. ''Updating'' a religion makes no sense considering they claim the bible is the ultimate moral guide because god.

The bible does not prohibit women from becoming powerful Church authorities, the religions assigning Church leaders and popes are based on historical traditions rather than the bible.

Past traditions are not always the best ones, but some people like to do things "the way they have always been done"

Consider Judges chapters 4 and 5. As necessary, God allows and directs women to be leaders at times. BUT, They are to be under the authority of a man.

Saint Paul says, 1 Timothy 2:11-15:
11A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

So, we see why. From a position of honor because of the type of person a woman is, and from the distraction that a woman has in machinery for making babies within herself, a woman should be under the direction of a man, although she might hold a powerful position.

However, if there are only women and children left - like in war - such is different until one of the male children grows sufficiently old in age, mind and body to become the head.

It isn't a man against woman thing. It is simply the way things work out according to God and nature.

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