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June 21, 2018, 04:08:58 AM
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Atheists dont hate religion.
Asshole atheists hate religion.
Not all atheists are assholes.
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The probability that God exists would be extremely high if God hadn't been proven already. After all:
1. Evolution, the only alternative, has been proven to be impossible;
2. Cause and effect along with complexity shows that it was a Super Being to be able to C&E something like present-day intelligence into being;
3. When you throw in entropy to show that there was a beginning, this all says "God" whatever God might happen to be.

The God of the Bible exists in the fact that the Bible wouldn't exist in the form in which it exists without Divine guidance. The complexity of the universe is too great to be able to easily understand God from things like "Biology, Chemistry, Physics or Astrophysics." That's why we need God's direct revelation from the Bible.

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1. Evolution is a fact.
2. Not really.  We don't know what caused BB.
3. Not really.  We don't know how or why BB started.

If you think God interacts with this world you should be able to come up with a scientific test to test if the God exist.

What is your test?

Mostly the only example we have of BB is a lab experiment where some scientists made a mini BB. Other than that, BB is just an educated guess. It might be possible for it to exist, but there isn't enough info included it its description to suggest that it would have anything to do with the universe as the universe exists.

The fact that prayers of many people are answered shows that God interacts with the world. Bible prophesy being fulfilled is another example.

The idea of atheism is a cute religion. But ultimately all false religions like atheism will make trouble for the people that hold to them.

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Did you even understand what I asked?  What is your scientific test to test for the existence of God?

Is your test repeatable, and every time you perform the test the outcome is the same?  What is the outcome?

If you cannot even come up with such test, please don't use science and God in the same sentence.

PS. I have a test for you:
 
Step 1: Pray to your God to give you a brand new BMW
Step 2: See if the BMW shows up on your driveway
Step 3: If the new BMW is on your driveway, your test was successful.  God does exist. If the new BMW is not on your driveway, your test was not successful.  God does not exist.

Go try it, see what happens.
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June 21, 2018, 04:15:52 PM
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Did you even understand what I asked?  What is your scientific test to test for the existence of God?

Is your test repeatable, and every time you perform the test the outcome is the same?  What is the outcome?

If you cannot even come up with such test, please don't use science and God in the same sentence.

PS. I have a test for you:
 
Step 1: Pray to your God to give you a brand new BMW
Step 2: See if the BMW shows up on your driveway
Step 3: If the new BMW is on your driveway, your test was successful.  God does exist. If the new BMW is not on your driveway, your test was not successful.  God does not exist.

Go try it, see what happens.


God isn't interested in being pressured into doing anything... not even your tests.

Again, there is no need for testing something that is excessively in use all over the world. Every time that a scientist makes an experiment, he is using the same stuff that proves God. In other words, take your pick of scientific experiments for your test example.

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Did you even understand what I asked?  What is your scientific test to test for the existence of God?

Is your test repeatable, and every time you perform the test the outcome is the same?  What is the outcome?

If you cannot even come up with such test, please don't use science and God in the same sentence.

PS. I have a test for you:
 
Step 1: Pray to your God to give you a brand new BMW
Step 2: See if the BMW shows up on your driveway
Step 3: If the new BMW is on your driveway, your test was successful.  God does exist. If the new BMW is not on your driveway, your test was not successful.  God does not exist.

Go try it, see what happens.


God isn't interested in being pressured into doing anything... not even your tests.

Again, there is no need for testing something that is excessively in use all over the world. Every time that a scientist makes an experiment, he is using the same stuff that proves God. In other words, take your pick of scientific experiments for your test example.

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I am not interested what your God is interested in.  I'm not into genocide, rape, pedophilia, human sacrifice, killing babies, plucking eyes etc., LOL.

You brought up science.  So specify the scientific test to test the existence of God, or be silent on the subject of science.  You do not know anything about science so don't talk about it.

PS. The BMW test failed.  I tried 100 times, it failed 100 times.
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June 21, 2018, 06:33:03 PM
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Did you even understand what I asked?  What is your scientific test to test for the existence of God?

Is your test repeatable, and every time you perform the test the outcome is the same?  What is the outcome?

If you cannot even come up with such test, please don't use science and God in the same sentence.

PS. I have a test for you:
 
Step 1: Pray to your God to give you a brand new BMW
Step 2: See if the BMW shows up on your driveway
Step 3: If the new BMW is on your driveway, your test was successful.  God does exist. If the new BMW is not on your driveway, your test was not successful.  God does not exist.

Go try it, see what happens.


God isn't interested in being pressured into doing anything... not even your tests.

Again, there is no need for testing something that is excessively in use all over the world. Every time that a scientist makes an experiment, he is using the same stuff that proves God. In other words, take your pick of scientific experiments for your test example.

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I am not interested what your God is interested in.  I'm not into genocide, rape, pedophilia, human sacrifice, killing babies, plucking eyes etc., LOL.

You brought up science.  So specify the scientific test to test the existence of God, or be silent on the subject of science.  You do not know anything about science so don't talk about it.

PS. The BMW test failed.  I tried 100 times, it failed 100 times.


If you are not interested in what God is interested in, who are you asking your questions on behalf of? Aren't you interested in getting answers for your own self? God is interested in you, as well. So, you are not telling the truth when you say that you are not interested in what God is interested in. You are interested in your own welfare, and so is God.

So, now you want to dictate to me about what I should say and when I should stop talking? You are trying to do that with God, too. I am honored that you would attempt to place me on the same level as God. But I will have to decline, since I don't match Him even a little, just like you don't.

No, the BMW test never fails. It is successful one way or the other. I mean, even failure is successful failure. If it wasn't successful failure, it would be successful success. All it is, is that your expectations are not set correctly.

Too bad you won't accept how all science experiments and tests are cause and effect experiments and tests. Since C&E was set up by God, all experiments and tests prove the existence of God. If you would only understand that, you might ultimately be saved.

If you were a simple atheist, one who doesn't ever ask the question regarding whether or not God exists, then you might almost not have religion. But since you adamantly express that you are an atheist, and that God doesn't exist, you prove that such is your religion. The stronger the atheist, the stronger his atheism religion within him.

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June 21, 2018, 06:38:36 PM
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Did you even understand what I asked?  What is your scientific test to test for the existence of God?

Is your test repeatable, and every time you perform the test the outcome is the same?  What is the outcome?

If you cannot even come up with such test, please don't use science and God in the same sentence.

PS. I have a test for you:
 
Step 1: Pray to your God to give you a brand new BMW
Step 2: See if the BMW shows up on your driveway
Step 3: If the new BMW is on your driveway, your test was successful.  God does exist. If the new BMW is not on your driveway, your test was not successful.  God does not exist.

Go try it, see what happens.


God isn't interested in being pressured into doing anything... not even your tests.

Again, there is no need for testing something that is excessively in use all over the world. Every time that a scientist makes an experiment, he is using the same stuff that proves God. In other words, take your pick of scientific experiments for your test example.

Cool

I am not interested what your God is interested in.  I'm not into genocide, rape, pedophilia, human sacrifice, killing babies, plucking eyes etc., LOL.

You brought up science.  So specify the scientific test to test the existence of God, or be silent on the subject of science.  You do not know anything about science so don't talk about it.

PS. The BMW test failed.  I tried 100 times, it failed 100 times.


If you are not interested in what God is interested in, who are you asking your questions on behalf of? Aren't you interested in getting answers for your own self? God is interested in you, as well. So, you are not telling the truth when you say that you are not interested in what God is interested in. You are interested in your own welfare, and so is God.

So, now you want to dictate to me about what I should say and when I should stop talking? You are trying to do that with God, too. I am honored that you would attempt to place me on the same level as God. But I will have to decline, since I don't match Him even a little, just like you don't.

No, the BMW test never fails. It is successful one way or the other. I mean, even failure is successful failure. If it wasn't successful failure, it would be successful success. All it is, is that your expectations are not set correctly.

Too bad you won't accept how all science experiments and tests are cause and effect experiments and tests. Since C&E was set up by God, all experiments and tests prove the existence of God. If you would only understand that, you might ultimately be saved.

If you were a simple atheist, one who doesn't ever ask the question regarding whether or not God exists, then you might almost not have religion. But since you adamantly express that you are an atheist, and that God doesn't exist, you prove that such is your religion. The stronger the atheist, the stronger his atheism religion within him.

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June 21, 2018, 06:44:34 PM
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If you are not interested in what God is interested in, who are you asking your questions on behalf of? Aren't you interested in getting answers for your own self? God is interested in you, as well. So, you are not telling the truth when you say that you are not interested in what God is interested in. You are interested in your own welfare, and so is God.

So, now you want to dictate to me about what I should say and when I should stop talking? You are trying to do that with God, too. I am honored that you would attempt to place me on the same level as God. But I will have to decline, since I don't match Him even a little, just like you don't.

No, the BMW test never fails. It is successful one way or the other. I mean, even failure is successful failure. If it wasn't successful failure, it would be successful success. All it is, is that your expectations are not set correctly.

Too bad you won't accept how all science experiments and tests are cause and effect experiments and tests. Since C&E was set up by God, all experiments and tests prove the existence of God. If you would only understand that, you might ultimately be saved.

If you were a simple atheist, one who doesn't ever ask the question regarding whether or not God exists, then you might almost not have religion. But since you adamantly express that you are an atheist, and that God doesn't exist, you prove that such is your religion. The stronger the atheist, the stronger his atheism religion within him.

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Well, finally you are starting to understand just a hint. How do we know? You don't have any real answer at all. There is a chance that you can be saved after all. I will pray to God on your behalf, even though I personally feel it is a waste of time.

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If you are not interested in what God is interested in, who are you asking your questions on behalf of? Aren't you interested in getting answers for your own self? God is interested in you, as well. So, you are not telling the truth when you say that you are not interested in what God is interested in. You are interested in your own welfare, and so is God.

So, now you want to dictate to me about what I should say and when I should stop talking? You are trying to do that with God, too. I am honored that you would attempt to place me on the same level as God. But I will have to decline, since I don't match Him even a little, just like you don't.

No, the BMW test never fails. It is successful one way or the other. I mean, even failure is successful failure. If it wasn't successful failure, it would be successful success. All it is, is that your expectations are not set correctly.

Too bad you won't accept how all science experiments and tests are cause and effect experiments and tests. Since C&E was set up by God, all experiments and tests prove the existence of God. If you would only understand that, you might ultimately be saved.

If you were a simple atheist, one who doesn't ever ask the question regarding whether or not God exists, then you might almost not have religion. But since you adamantly express that you are an atheist, and that God doesn't exist, you prove that such is your religion. The stronger the atheist, the stronger his atheism religion within him.

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Well, finally you are starting to understand just a hint. How do we know? You don't have any real answer at all. There is a chance that you can be saved after all. I will pray to God on your behalf, even though I personally feel it is a waste of time.

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You would not understand what the scientific method is even if it drove through your tiny brain.  Lookup a new word: objective.  It is not in the Bible so you probably do not know what it means.
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Well, finally you are starting to understand just a hint. How do we know? You don't have any real answer at all. There is a chance that you can be saved after all. I will pray to God on your behalf, even though I personally feel it is a waste of time.

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You would not understand what the scientific method is even if it drove through your tiny brain.  Lookup a new word: objective.  It is not in the Bible so you probably do not know what it means.

You were the one who used the picture. They say a picture paints a thousand words, but your picture doesn't even point at which words. Perhaps you should take up painting or photography. It fits you well.

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You would not understand what the scientific method is even if it drove through your tiny brain.  Lookup a new word: objective.  It is not in the Bible so you probably do not know what it means.



Just FYI,

   "A person with understanding has wisdom as his objective, but a fool looks only to earthly goals." -- Proverbs 17:24.
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I have friends who are atheist. I'm more of an I don't know agnostic guy. They just don't believe is true, and that it causes a lot of problems.
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You would not understand what the scientific method is even if it drove through your tiny brain.  Lookup a new word: objective.  It is not in the Bible so you probably do not know what it means.



Just FYI,

   "A person with understanding has wisdom as his objective, but a fool looks only to earthly goals." -- Proverbs 17:24.

In this translation it is used as a goal, not objective vs subjective adjective.   Find objective and subjective adjectives in any Bible translations.

One of many translations, pick your flavor.  Not that it matters.

http://biblehub.com/proverbs/17-24.htm

New International Version
A discerning person keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes wander to the ends of the earth.

New Living Translation
Sensible people keep their eyes glued on wisdom, but a fool's eyes wander to the ends of the earth.

English Standard Version
The discerning sets his face toward wisdom, but the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth.

Berean Study Bible
Wisdom is the focus of the discerning, but the eyes of a fool wander to the ends of the earth.

New American Standard Bible
Wisdom is in the presence of the one who has understanding, But the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth.

King James Bible
Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

Christian Standard Bible
Wisdom is the focus of the perceptive, but a fool's eyes roam to the ends of the earth.

Contemporary English Version
Anyone with wisdom knows what makes good sense, but fools can never make up their minds.

Good News Translation
An intelligent person aims at wise action, but a fool starts off in many directions.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Wisdom is the focus of the perceptive, but a fool's eyes roam to the ends of the earth.

International Standard Version
A person with understanding has wisdom as his objective, but a fool looks only to earthly goals.

NET Bible
Wisdom is directly in front of the discerning person, but the eyes of a fool run to the ends of the earth.

New Heart English Bible
Wisdom is before the face of one who has understanding, but the eyes of a fool wander everywhere.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
The face of an intelligent one observes wisdom, and the eyes of a fool are in the depths of the Earth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Wisdom is directly in front of an understanding person, but the eyes of a fool [are looking around]all over the world.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; But the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

New American Standard 1977
Wisdom is in the presence of the one who has understanding, But the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Wisdom appears upon the countenance of him that has understanding, but the eyes of a fool manifest his folly unto the ends of the earth.

King James 2000 Bible
Wisdom is before him that has understanding; but the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth.

American King James Version
Wisdom is before him that has understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

American Standard Version
Wisdom is before the face of him that hath understanding; But the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Wisdom shineth in the face of the wise: the eyes of fools are in the ends of the earth.

Darby Bible Translation
Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

English Revised Version
Wisdom is before the face of him that hath understanding: but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

Webster's Bible Translation
Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth.

World English Bible
Wisdom is before the face of one who has understanding, but the eyes of a fool wander to the ends of the earth.

Young's Literal Translation
The face of the intelligent is to wisdom, And the eyes of a fool -- at the end of the earth.
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June 21, 2018, 09:19:51 PM
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   "Instead, test everything. Hold on to what is good." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:21


It doesn't get any more objective than that. I tested your claim the Bible doesn't contain the word "objective" and it didn't hold. I've shown an instance of the word in at least one translation, so your argument now is that the Bible doesn't use "objective" as an adjective. Well there you have it (1 Thessalonians 5:21) an instance of a commandment saying you should be objective and critical. No, it's not an instance of the word being used as an adjective but it does render your argument that the Bible isn't objective false.
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   "Instead, test everything. Hold on to what is good." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:21


It doesn't get any more objective than that. I tested your claim the Bible doesn't contain the word "objective" and it didn't hold. I've shown an instance of the word in at least one translation, so your argument now is that the Bible doesn't use "objective" as an adjective. Well there you have it (1 Thessalonians 5:21) an instance of a commandment saying you should be objective and critical. No, it's not an instance of the word being used as an adjective but it does render your argument that the Bible isn't objective false.

You are projecting.

Goat herders who wrote the Bible did not know what objective vs subjective truth means.  

The concept of logical objectivity was first developed/proposed by Bernard Bolzano in the 19th century!!!

Well after the goat skin manuscripts (aka the Bible) were written.
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Badecker claims that everything has a cause and that cause also has a cause, till god. If everything has a set cause then how can I actually have free will? If everything has a set cause, nothing is random, therefore everything is already set, everything that I will do today, tomorrow and for the rest of my life is already set to happen. If that's the case then it is impossible for me to have free will, my decisions aren't really mine and because everything was created by god, as you claim, god is responsible for our actions, therefore he shouldn't punish or reward us.

Punishing or rewarding doesn't have anything to do with "He shouldn't." Actually, it's just the opposite. Since God designed the evil for a day of punishment, and the good for a day of righteousness, He absolutely should reward and punish.

The free will that God gives lies only in the direction of the faith of people. And God reinforces that faith in the direction it is going.

If your faith is such that it is against God, He will help you maintain it in that direction, even though He offers you the opportunity to change. This means that it is your own choice, and that God, being the dynamic and positive God that He is, is giving you the things that you choose out of love for you, but is also warning you about you faulty choices out of that same love.

Read Romans chapter 22 so that you can see that God is making an offer to people, and they are choosing what they choose, and He is maintaining their choice for them - http://biblehub.com/niv/romans/9.htm.

The place that cause and effect fits in is this. We are too weak spiritually to make anything happen. God makes our choices happen for us, via C&E, so that they match His design for the universe, and our position in it.

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How does your faith in god change then?

What are you really asking? I mean, how does an electron fly around a proton in an atom of hydrogen?

My faith changes according to my choice, which God holds ever open for me to change. Because of my choice to be against God in some ways, He has strengthened that portion of my faith, according to my own choice, so that it is difficult for me to change it to be in favor of God rather than against Him. But because of my choosing to be in favor of God in some dramatic ways, He has strengthened me in faith so that I will never lose that dramatic, in-favor-of-God portion of my faith.

If God were not holding my choice open for me, and if He were not strengthening me to remain if favor of Him to my benefit, I would fall into choosing to be against Him. He does this for me because He desires my choice to be in favor of Him, and I am too weak in faith to resist Him.

Your faith is quite strong that you are able to choose to be against God in the face of all the inviting He does for you, and the evidence He shows you that He exists. The more you fight Him by strengthening your own faith against Him, the more He will give you what you ask by strengthening your faith against Him, just as you are doing. Have you passed the point where you can turn to be in favor of Him? Perhaps. But if you have, you will die soon, at God's directing, so that you won't build up more reasons to be punished in Hell than you have already built into your life.

And thank you for allowing me to improve your English through my posting that answers your questions.

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You don't seem to really understand what you are saying. Let me break it down for you.

''My faith changes according to my choice'' Your choice to believe in god or not relies on external knowledge, you can't simply believe in god without any knowledge of anything, since everything else is not determined by you, your faith isn't really yours. God put you where you are, god decided that you will be born in that country at that time and everything else that surrounds your life was decided by god, your only free will is to use those occurrences and believe or not in God, problem is that everyone is different, we are all born in different places, have different lives and it's not fair to ask a muslim born kid to believe in your god, obviously for a kid born into a christian country and a christian family it's much easier. God is either not fair, stupid or doesn't exist, since he cannot be unfair or stupid the only option is that he doesn't exist.



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June 26, 2018, 09:20:14 PM
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You don't seem to really understand what you are saying. Let me break it down for you.

''My faith changes according to my choice'' Your choice to believe in god or not relies on external knowledge, you can't simply believe in god without any knowledge of anything, since everything else is not determined by you, your faith isn't really yours. God put you where you are, god decided that you will be born in that country at that time and everything else that surrounds your life was decided by god, your only free will is to use those occurrences and believe or not in God, problem is that everyone is different, we are all born in different places, have different lives and it's not fair to ask a muslim born kid to believe in your god, obviously for a kid born into a christian country and a christian family it's much easier. God is either not fair, stupid or doesn't exist, since he cannot be unfair or stupid the only option is that he doesn't exist.

You don't seem to understand that among your assumptions are:
1. "Your choice to believe in god or not relies on external knowledge;"
2. "you can't simply believe in god without any knowledge of anything;"
3. "your faith isn't really yours."

Once you realize that you are stating these things without knowledge that they are true, you will realize that everything else you say falls apart.

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You don't seem to really understand what you are saying. Let me break it down for you.

''My faith changes according to my choice'' Your choice to believe in god or not relies on external knowledge, you can't simply believe in god without any knowledge of anything, since everything else is not determined by you, your faith isn't really yours. God put you where you are, god decided that you will be born in that country at that time and everything else that surrounds your life was decided by god, your only free will is to use those occurrences and believe or not in God, problem is that everyone is different, we are all born in different places, have different lives and it's not fair to ask a muslim born kid to believe in your god, obviously for a kid born into a christian country and a christian family it's much easier. God is either not fair, stupid or doesn't exist, since he cannot be unfair or stupid the only option is that he doesn't exist.

You don't seem to understand that among your assumptions are:
1. "Your choice to believe in god or not relies on external knowledge;"
2. "you can't simply believe in god without any knowledge of anything;"
3. "your faith isn't really yours."

Once you realize that you are stating these things without knowledge that they are true, you will realize that everything else you say falls apart.

Cool

You are retarded. How do you choose to believe in god or not if you don't know anything about god, answer that, you idiot.



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June 28, 2018, 06:22:55 AM
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I am an atheist. I don't hate god, because obviously, you can't hate something that doesn't exist. I hate the idea of god. I hate the idea of heaven or hell. I hate the bible, so full of contradictions. Most of all, I hate the people that want to push their religion on me.
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June 28, 2018, 11:22:01 AM
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So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.




Atheists hate inhumane and restrictive governance and I think some religions enforce just that.
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June 29, 2018, 04:28:26 AM
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You don't seem to really understand what you are saying. Let me break it down for you.

''My faith changes according to my choice'' Your choice to believe in god or not relies on external knowledge, you can't simply believe in god without any knowledge of anything, since everything else is not determined by you, your faith isn't really yours. God put you where you are, god decided that you will be born in that country at that time and everything else that surrounds your life was decided by god, your only free will is to use those occurrences and believe or not in God, problem is that everyone is different, we are all born in different places, have different lives and it's not fair to ask a muslim born kid to believe in your god, obviously for a kid born into a christian country and a christian family it's much easier. God is either not fair, stupid or doesn't exist, since he cannot be unfair or stupid the only option is that he doesn't exist.

You don't seem to understand that among your assumptions are:
1. "Your choice to believe in god or not relies on external knowledge;"
2. "you can't simply believe in god without any knowledge of anything;"
3. "your faith isn't really yours."

Once you realize that you are stating these things without knowledge that they are true, you will realize that everything else you say falls apart.

Cool

You are retarded. How do you choose to believe in god or not if you don't know anything about god, answer that, you idiot.

Do you have an identity? When you say "I" meaning yourself, is there really something there? Tell us there isn't, and we will consider your posts the grinding of a broken computer, and we will have logical reason to not respond any longer. Or tell us there is, and then explain this thing that all of science is having trouble finding - the soul or spirit.

We know that everything that we understand operates through cause and effect. But the soul and spirit not things, even though we name them like we name things (just so we can talk about them). They don't necessarily operate by cause and effect entirely.

The soul and spirit, having come from God, know about God in their own way, which is not necessarily the same as mental knowing entirely. That's why the soul and spirit can have faith in God or against Him. Everybody knows of the existence God from the standpoint of his soul or spirit. Now for the faith in Him... or faith against Him.

If you deny the evident soul and spirit, this simply shows that you have a long way to go in your consideration of things.

Cool
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