Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[Astargath]

^^^ You are so good. After all, whatever religion a person has, he dies. So, if a person has a religion of selfishness, he still dies.

The trick is finding a religion that allows one to live forever. Obviously, such a religion isn't going to be in this life. Even scientifically, there is too much entropy involved in the universe, to keep the complexity of life from doing anything other than breaking down into death.

This is where God comes in to offer Jesus salvation. And that is what atheists hate. Why do they hate this? They want a religion where they are their own gods, to make their own salvation. Many atheists are dead from this already. Atheism is simply another false religion.

''The trick is finding a religion that allows one to live forever.'' Why is that the trick? What does living forever offer you? It doesn't offer you a purpose, living forever and then what? You would still need to do things, life would lose a lot of interest, for instance there would be no more fear of death so things like climbing without a rope, rollercoasters, etc would be useless, no fun.

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[BADecker]

^^^ LOL! You have a point. The longer you live, the more time you have to figure out at what time, exactly, you are going to commit suicide.

[yesiam6]

Most Atheists don't hate religion, at least the people i know don't and can happily sit together with religious (christians and muslims) people and still have fun without trying to "fedora talk" them into giving up their believe in god. But in my opinion a small part of atheists do act like atheism is a religion in itself that they have to convince others to believe in which can be pretty cringy at times or interesting as well when there's a good discussion going on between a believer and an atheist(non fedora wearing ones).
I can however slightly understand the claim that religion can be a bad thing with terrorists attacks etc. done in the name of their god which is absolutely horrible and terrifying, and muslimic states like saudia arabia and iran with their stone age mentality regarding for example women's rights and homosexuality.

[af_newbie]

^^^ You are so good. After all, whatever religion a person has, he dies. So, if a person has a religion of selfishness, he still dies.

The trick is finding a religion that allows one to live forever. Obviously, such a religion isn't going to be in this life. Even scientifically, there is too much entropy involved in the universe, to keep the complexity of life from doing anything other than breaking down into death.

This is where God comes in to offer Jesus salvation. And that is what atheists hate. Why do they hate this? They want a religion where they are their own gods, to make their own salvation. Many atheists are dead from this already. Atheism is simply another false religion.

And you know this how?  Are you an atheist who speaks for all atheists?

BTW, I can tell you that atheists do not hate things that are not real such as God, Jesus salvation, etc.  

We do not know what those things are.

What most atheists hate is the stone age moral code (support of slavery, opposition to homosexuality, same-sex marriage), the opposition to the advancement of science (stem cell research, genetic engineering, etc), physical harm to people, especially kids, backward, anti-science education (aka Christian homeschooling), etc.  That is what atheists hate, not your fairy tale stories.  You can believe whatever you want to believe, just don't bring it up in the public.  

We don't really care what imaginary friend you believe sits in the clouds as long as you don't harm others, directly or via the policymaking.

What bothers me the most personally is your claim to more rights because you (or your book) says so.

[TimeBits]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

Because they are to blind to see that creators only get more creators, open your eyes it is all around you, everything comes from something. Now whatever created the creations that became the creators of the first creator, probably of itself, probably whatever made duration(time), would be the creator, people call it "god" which is a deity not a characterization I call it Creator.

They also don`t want to take responsibly for their own actions it is easier to blame it on the devil or satan etc etc, religious people and ask for forgiveness rather than making things right themselves.

But yah you atheist have a creator it is your Mom and Dad, your Dads seed is a little more RNG than your Moms egg. you had to have awareness from somewhere to take that first breath. You yourself are your own maker.

[CoinCube]

Except some might argue, myself included, that religions are the source of evil in this world.

The holy scriptures are definitely evil so you might need to work a little bit more on your 'theory of progress'.

Most of the worst religions declare any faith other then their own as the source of all evil.

Your religion is no exception.

My religion?  WTF?  Talk about delusional.

Not playing sport is not a sport.

Definition of Religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_religion

Scholars have failed to agree on a definition of religion. There are however two general definition systems: the sociological/functional and the phenomenological/philosophical.[4][5][6][7][8]

Emile Durkheim defined religion as "a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say things set apart and forbidden - beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community called a church, all those who adhere to them."[9]

Max Lynn Stackhouse, defined religion as "a comprehensive worldview or 'metaphysical moral vision' that is accepted as binding because it is held to be in itself basically true and just even if all dimensions of it cannot be either fully confirmed or refuted".[10]

Profession Stackhouse isolated the issue the best. Like it or not af_newbie your humanist moral relativism qualifies. You have laid out a metaphysical subjective moral vision for us. I think your ideals will take us back in barbarism and evil and I highlighted why. You think your worldview is the way forward into progress and prosperity.

Time will of course reveal which of us is correct. In the meantime you and I and anyone else who happens to read this exchange will need to exercise free will and decide for themselves.
 

[af_newbie]

Except some might argue, myself included, that religions are the source of evil in this world.

The holy scriptures are definitely evil so you might need to work a little bit more on your 'theory of progress'.

Most of the worst religions declare any faith other then their own as the source of all evil.

Your religion is no exception.

My religion?  WTF?  Talk about delusional.

Not playing sport is not a sport.

Definition of Religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_religion

Scholars have failed to agree on a definition of religion. There are however two general definition systems: the sociological/functional and the phenomenological/philosophical.[4][5][6][7][8]

Emile Durkheim defined religion as "a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say things set apart and forbidden - beliefs and practices which unite into one single moral community called a church, all those who adhere to them."[9]

Max Lynn Stackhouse, defined religion as "a comprehensive worldview or 'metaphysical moral vision' that is accepted as binding because it is held to be in itself basically true and just even if all dimensions of it cannot be either fully confirmed or refuted".[10]

Profession Stackhouse isolated the issue the best. Like it or not af_newbie your humanist moral relativism qualifies. You have laid out a metaphysical subjective moral vision for us. I think your ideals will take us back in barbarism and evil and I highlighted why. You think your worldview is the way forward into progress and prosperity.

Time will of course reveal which of us is correct. In the meantime you and I and anyone else who happens to read this exchange will need to exercise free will and decide for themselves.
 

So far we are doing quite well without your stoning and cutting off hands and heads, without crucifixions and stake burnings, so thanks but no thanks.

It would help if you could just get the fuck out of education and science classrooms.  Humanity will do well going forward without your Bronze Age or 6th-century wisdom.

[CoinCube]

So far we are doing quite well without your stoning and cutting off hands and heads, without crucifixions and stake burnings, so thanks but no thanks.

It would help if you could just get the fuck out of education and science classrooms.  Humanity will do well going forward without your Bronze Age or 6th-century wisdom.

More than 54 million abortions have been performed since U.S. Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade
https://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/mar/18/chris-smith/chris-smith-says-more-54-million-abortions-have-be/

Doctors Induce Twenty-Five Percent of Dutch Deaths
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/doctors-induce-twenty-five-percent-of-dutch-deaths/

U.S. Suicide Rate Surges to a 30-Year High
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/health/us-suicide-rate-surges-to-a-30-year-high.html

Prescription Drugs Outpace Car Accidents As Leading Cause Of Death
https://www.crchealth.com/find-a-treatment-center/opiate-addiction-treatment-centers/additional-resources/prescription-drugs-outpace-car-accidents-leading-death/

U.S. Life Expectancy Drops for Third Year in a Row
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-life-expectancy-drops-third-year-row-reflecting-rising-drug-overdose-suicide-rates-180970942/

I am not sure I want to know what your definition of not doing well would be.

If it makes you feel better af_newbie I have gotten out of your secular education and classrooms. My children are all enrolled in a private Christian school. It's an increase in cost over the secular system but worth every penny.  I have opted out of your religion. There is a better alternative.

It is always best to opt out of failing systems. In the economic world that means getting out of debt based fiat and into Bitcoin. In the educational world it means getting out of the failing public school systems and into private or home school environments.

[af_newbie]

So far we are doing quite well without your stoning and cutting off hands and heads, without crucifixions and stake burnings, so thanks but no thanks.

It would help if you could just get the fuck out of education and science classrooms.  Humanity will do well going forward without your Bronze Age or 6th-century wisdom.

More than 54 million abortions have been performed since U.S. Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade
https://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2012/mar/18/chris-smith/chris-smith-says-more-54-million-abortions-have-be/

Doctors Induce Twenty-Five Percent of Dutch Deaths
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/doctors-induce-twenty-five-percent-of-dutch-deaths/

U.S. Suicide Rate Surges to a 30-Year High
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/health/us-suicide-rate-surges-to-a-30-year-high.html

Prescription Drugs Outpace Car Accidents As Leading Cause Of Death
https://www.crchealth.com/find-a-treatment-center/opiate-addiction-treatment-centers/additional-resources/prescription-drugs-outpace-car-accidents-leading-death/

U.S. Life Expectancy Drops for Third Year in a Row
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-life-expectancy-drops-third-year-row-reflecting-rising-drug-overdose-suicide-rates-180970942/

I am not sure I want to know what your definition of not doing well would be.

If it makes you feel better af_newbie I have gotten out of your secular education and classrooms. My children are all enrolled in a private Christian school. It's an increase in cost over the secular system but worth every penny.  I have opted out of your religion. There is a better alternative.

It is always best to opt out of failing systems. In the economic world that means getting out of debt based fiat and into Bitcoin. In the educational world it means getting out of the failing public school systems and into private or home school environments.

What was the life expectancy in the US 100 years ago?  50 years ago?  25 years ago?
Was the US more Christian 100, 50 or 25 years ago?

Who is against stem cell research?  You know, the technology that can save and extend lives.

What is the life expectancy in Japan?  How many Japanese are Christian?

Healthy, stress-free life, with lots of social life, is not the domain of Christians or religious people.  I would argue that being religious adds more stress to your life as you have to worry about what your God will think, every second of your life, you have to constantly think: "Would I make it into heaven or would I end up in hell?"  Atheists do not have this issue.

When you know you have one life to live, you take care of your body, your mind, your relationship with others because you know after you die there is no second chance.  You, on the other hand, think that afterlife is what matters, this life is only temporary, 120 years at most vs the eternity.  So rape here or there, abuse of your wife or your body, kill few men here or there is all ok, as long as you accept Jesus as your savior before you die, LOL

Now, who has a more healthy outlook on our life on this planet?

PS. What is the global population growth rate?  Should it be increasing at 4 or 5% as is the case in communities of most orthodox religions?
Growth rate close to zero is what all intelligent humans should be striving for.  Not reproducing like ignorant rabbits.

PPS.  On average, are Christian or Atheists more educated?  Who do you think would make a better manager, better policymaker, better scientist, better engineer, better doctor?  A guy who thinks Earth is flat and is 6000 years old, thinks there is an old man sitting in the clouds who watches everything and controls everything, a guy who thinks a cracker can turn into human flesh and wine or a guy who believes humans are responsible for all we do, not some fairy tale characters in the clouds or down below in Earth's core?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-human-beast/201402/why-are-educated-people-more-likely-be-atheists

[haseeb ahmed]

first of all we can not blame whole community just because of few rotten apples. And i think some of them hate religion because they think different religion are the reason of this extremism and radicalization presence in the world, which is true at all. Some people who are not following religion properly are extremist because no religion of world preach extremism.

What does the Bible or Quran say you should do with the gay people?

Religious people are the victims.  The worldview presented in the scriptures is what is wrong with religions.

Not 'few rotten apples' as you put it.  People are born into their religions and become indoctrinated as children.
What happens after that depends on who they associate with.

Religions poison your mind.  All religions are equally evil.

The issue is not with 'few rotten apples', the issue is with 'rotten scriptures'.

Religious apologetics always try to shift the blame on people, away from the scriptures, but the fact is that the scriptures are the root cause of all the problems created by religions.  Not the people who were indoctrinated into the religions of their parents.

its the laws to live, if we live without rules we are savages. Holy religious books do not stops you from any beneficial thing or action it only stops you from what is wrong and harmful for humanity.

Is killing gays wrong or not, in your opinion?

no i think its right.

Where are your morals?  You don't think murdering people is wrong?  

What the fuck is wrong with you?  Are you mentally sick?

than why you people can not hear to religious beliefs where is your freedom of speech. Why the hell you people are blaming religions for all the mess

Are you brain damaged?

Religious laws tell people to murder people for no apparent reason. That is not freedom of speech.  That is hate speech.

Religious laws incite violence.

And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.

Religion does not stop those things.  If anything, it encourages it and/or supports it.

BTW, you can get HIV on your next visit to the dentist.  HIV is spread through the exchange of bodily fluids, you ignoramus.

You are a barbarian.  Do you think you stand on the higher moral ground with your 6th-century wisdom?

You are ignoring centuries of scientific and technological progress we have made as a human race.

You are locked in a time capsule. 

yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries  ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking.

[af_newbie]

first of all we can not blame whole community just because of few rotten apples. And i think some of them hate religion because they think different religion are the reason of this extremism and radicalization presence in the world, which is true at all. Some people who are not following religion properly are extremist because no religion of world preach extremism.

What does the Bible or Quran say you should do with the gay people?

Religious people are the victims.  The worldview presented in the scriptures is what is wrong with religions.

Not 'few rotten apples' as you put it.  People are born into their religions and become indoctrinated as children.
What happens after that depends on who they associate with.

Religions poison your mind.  All religions are equally evil.

The issue is not with 'few rotten apples', the issue is with 'rotten scriptures'.

Religious apologetics always try to shift the blame on people, away from the scriptures, but the fact is that the scriptures are the root cause of all the problems created by religions.  Not the people who were indoctrinated into the religions of their parents.

its the laws to live, if we live without rules we are savages. Holy religious books do not stops you from any beneficial thing or action it only stops you from what is wrong and harmful for humanity.

Is killing gays wrong or not, in your opinion?

no i think its right.

Where are your morals?  You don't think murdering people is wrong?  

What the fuck is wrong with you?  Are you mentally sick?

than why you people can not hear to religious beliefs where is your freedom of speech. Why the hell you people are blaming religions for all the mess

Are you brain damaged?

Religious laws tell people to murder people for no apparent reason. That is not freedom of speech.  That is hate speech.

Religious laws incite violence.

And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.

Religion does not stop those things.  If anything, it encourages it and/or supports it.

BTW, you can get HIV on your next visit to the dentist.  HIV is spread through the exchange of bodily fluids, you ignoramus.

You are a barbarian.  Do you think you stand on the higher moral ground with your 6th-century wisdom?

You are ignoring centuries of scientific and technological progress we have made as a human race.

You are locked in a time capsule.  

yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries  ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking.

Do you want the root cause? Here it is:

https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0

I hope you will not teach your ignorance to your children.  Hopefully, you will no children to teach your 6th-century wisdom.

[CoinCube]

What was the life expectancy in the US 100 years ago?  50 years ago?  25 years ago?
Was the US more Christian 100, 50 or 25 years ago?

The proper way to analyze this is to isolate the effect of religion independently of technological progress.

At each interval of history one should compare the life expectancy of Christians compared to non Christians.

If you do that you find that Christians live longer. This is true today.

Religious people live four YEARS longer than those who don’t believe in God, study reveals
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/science/religious-people-live-four-years-12704829.amp

It also appears to likely have been true as far back as early Roman times when Christian charity led to increased life expectancy social power and eventual cultural victory over the Pagans.

The Christian Conquest of Pagan Rome
https://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/michael-craven/the-christian-conquest-of-pagan-rome-11640691.html

Who is against stem cell research?  You know, the technology that can save and extend lives.

Most if not all of current stem cell therapy is a scam. It’s an utterly unproven cash pay business that thrives on the vulnerable and desperate.

Much of what little research there is has been shown to be fraudulent a example of the corruption of science in our time.

Stem Cell Research—Shattered After Fabrication Scandal
https://www.tctmd.com/news/stem-cell-research-shattered-after-fabrication-scandal-needs-rebuild-says-ehj-editor

That said Christians are generally opposed to embryonic stem cell research as those lines were derived from aborted fetal tissue. Christians by and large don’t believe it is moral to experiment with the remains of killed human life.

Healthy, stress-free life, with lots of social life, is not the domain of Christians or religious people.  I would argue that being religious adds more stress to your life as you have to worry about what your God will think, every second of your life, you have to constantly think: "Would I make it into heaven or would I end up in hell?"  Atheists do not have this issue.

When you know you have one life to live, you take care of your body, your mind, your relationship with others because you know after you die there is no second chance.  You, on the other hand, think that afterlife is what matters, this life is only temporary, 120 years at most vs the eternity.  So rape here or there, abuse of your wife or your body, kill few men here or there is all ok, as long as you accept Jesus as your savior before you die, LOL

You have this very very wrong. Every major study on the issue shows a health advantage for the observant religious. Here are a few I highlighted in the Health and Religion thread.

In U.S., Very Religious Have Higher Wellbeing Across All Faiths
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152732/religious-higher-wellbeing-across-faiths.aspx

Married Couples Who Attend Church Services Together Are Less Likely to Divorce
http://www.christianpost.com/news/married-couples-who-attend-church-services-together-are-less-likely-to-divorce-study-171853/

Religious upbringing may be protective factor for health, well-being in early adulthood
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2018/09/17/raising-kids-with-religion-or-spirituality-may-protect-their-mental-health-study/#68c6ba2c3287

Now, who has a more healthy outlook on our life on this planet?

Easy Christians do. Next question.

PS. What is the global population growth rate?  Should it be increasing at 4 or 5% as is the case in communities of most orthodox religions?

Global population growth rate is somewhere around 1%. It peaked long ago and is declining towards zero no outside intervention required.



The religious communities won’t grow at 4 to 5% forever. It’s just the process of the unhealthy segments of society being replaced by healthier variants. Overall the growth trajectory of the society at large is unlikely to change.

PPS.  On average, are Christian or Atheists more educated?  Who do you think would make a better manager, better policymaker, better scientist, better engineer, better doctor?  

Atheists are for the moment more formally educated on average.

As for who would make a better manager, better policymaker, better scientist, better engineer, or better doctor. I would have go with the educated Christian or Jew. Best of both worlds.

I recommend putting some more work into understanding these issues af_newbie. I don’t have the time or inclination to continue tutoring like this. You need to rectify your own deficiencies.

[haseeb ahmed]

first of all we can not blame whole community just because of few rotten apples. And i think some of them hate religion because they think different religion are the reason of this extremism and radicalization presence in the world, which is true at all. Some people who are not following religion properly are extremist because no religion of world preach extremism.

What does the Bible or Quran say you should do with the gay people?

Religious people are the victims.  The worldview presented in the scriptures is what is wrong with religions.

Not 'few rotten apples' as you put it.  People are born into their religions and become indoctrinated as children.
What happens after that depends on who they associate with.

Religions poison your mind.  All religions are equally evil.

The issue is not with 'few rotten apples', the issue is with 'rotten scriptures'.

Religious apologetics always try to shift the blame on people, away from the scriptures, but the fact is that the scriptures are the root cause of all the problems created by religions.  Not the people who were indoctrinated into the religions of their parents.

its the laws to live, if we live without rules we are savages. Holy religious books do not stops you from any beneficial thing or action it only stops you from what is wrong and harmful for humanity.

Is killing gays wrong or not, in your opinion?

no i think its right.

Where are your morals?  You don't think murdering people is wrong?  

What the fuck is wrong with you?  Are you mentally sick?

than why you people can not hear to religious beliefs where is your freedom of speech. Why the hell you people are blaming religions for all the mess

Are you brain damaged?

Religious laws tell people to murder people for no apparent reason. That is not freedom of speech.  That is hate speech.

Religious laws incite violence.

And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.

Religion does not stop those things.  If anything, it encourages it and/or supports it.

BTW, you can get HIV on your next visit to the dentist.  HIV is spread through the exchange of bodily fluids, you ignoramus.

You are a barbarian.  Do you think you stand on the higher moral ground with your 6th-century wisdom?

You are ignoring centuries of scientific and technological progress we have made as a human race.

You are locked in a time capsule.  

yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries  ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking.

Do you want the root cause? Here it is:

https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0

I hope you will not teach your ignorance to your children.  Hopefully, you will no children to teach your 6th-century wisdom.

ehteist just want to eliminate religion from world which will never happen

[af_newbie]

What was the life expectancy in the US 100 years ago?  50 years ago?  25 years ago?
Was the US more Christian 100, 50 or 25 years ago?

The proper way to analyze this is to isolate the effect of religion independently of technological progress.

At each interval of history one should compare the life expectancy of Christians compared to non Christians.

If you do that you find that Christians live longer. This is true today.

Religious people live four YEARS longer than those who don’t believe in God, study reveals
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/science/religious-people-live-four-years-12704829.amp

It also appears to likely have been true as far back as early Roman times when Christian charity led to increased life expectancy social power and eventual cultural victory over the Pagans.

The Christian Conquest of Pagan Rome
https://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/michael-craven/the-christian-conquest-of-pagan-rome-11640691.html

Who is against stem cell research?  You know, the technology that can save and extend lives.

Most if not all of current stem cell therapy is a scam. It’s an utterly unproven cash pay business that thrives on the vulnerable and desperate.

Much of what little research there is has been shown to be fraudulent a example of the corruption of science in our time.

Stem Cell Research—Shattered After Fabrication Scandal
https://www.tctmd.com/news/stem-cell-research-shattered-after-fabrication-scandal-needs-rebuild-says-ehj-editor

That said Christians are generally opposed to embryonic stem cell research as those lines were derived from aborted fetal tissue. Christians by and large don’t believe it is moral to experiment with the remains of killed human life.

Healthy, stress-free life, with lots of social life, is not the domain of Christians or religious people.  I would argue that being religious adds more stress to your life as you have to worry about what your God will think, every second of your life, you have to constantly think: "Would I make it into heaven or would I end up in hell?"  Atheists do not have this issue.

When you know you have one life to live, you take care of your body, your mind, your relationship with others because you know after you die there is no second chance.  You, on the other hand, think that afterlife is what matters, this life is only temporary, 120 years at most vs the eternity.  So rape here or there, abuse of your wife or your body, kill few men here or there is all ok, as long as you accept Jesus as your savior before you die, LOL

You have this very very wrong. Every major study on the issue shows a health advantage for the observant religious. Here are a few I highlighted in the Health and Religion thread.

In U.S., Very Religious Have Higher Wellbeing Across All Faiths
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152732/religious-higher-wellbeing-across-faiths.aspx

Married Couples Who Attend Church Services Together Are Less Likely to Divorce
http://www.christianpost.com/news/married-couples-who-attend-church-services-together-are-less-likely-to-divorce-study-171853/

Religious upbringing may be protective factor for health, well-being in early adulthood
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2018/09/17/raising-kids-with-religion-or-spirituality-may-protect-their-mental-health-study/#68c6ba2c3287

Now, who has a more healthy outlook on our life on this planet?

Easy Christians do. Next question.

PS. What is the global population growth rate?  Should it be increasing at 4 or 5% as is the case in communities of most orthodox religions?

Global population growth rate is somewhere around 1%. It peaked long ago and is declining towards zero no outside intervention required.



The religious communities won’t grow at 4 to 5% forever. It’s just the process of the unhealthy segments of society being replaced by healthier variants. Overall the growth trajectory of the society at large is unlikely to change.

PPS.  On average, are Christian or Atheists more educated?  Who do you think would make a better manager, better policymaker, better scientist, better engineer, better doctor?  

Atheists are for the moment more formally educated on average.

As for who would make a better manager, better policymaker, better scientist, better engineer, or better doctor. I would have go with the educated Christian or Jew. Best of both worlds.

I recommend putting some more work into understanding these issues af_newbie. I don’t have the time or inclination to continue tutoring like this. You need to rectify your own deficiencies.

Without science and secular thought, there would be no technological progress.

Religions were against science all the way.  They still are today.

You better hope the world does not turn into one big Sharia Law country, then you will see what technological progress you'll get.

Point is religions are regressive, they impede the technological progress.

That is the proper way to look at it.

[af_newbie]

first of all we can not blame whole community just because of few rotten apples. And i think some of them hate religion because they think different religion are the reason of this extremism and radicalization presence in the world, which is true at all. Some people who are not following religion properly are extremist because no religion of world preach extremism.

What does the Bible or Quran say you should do with the gay people?

Religious people are the victims.  The worldview presented in the scriptures is what is wrong with religions.

Not 'few rotten apples' as you put it.  People are born into their religions and become indoctrinated as children.
What happens after that depends on who they associate with.

Religions poison your mind.  All religions are equally evil.

The issue is not with 'few rotten apples', the issue is with 'rotten scriptures'.

Religious apologetics always try to shift the blame on people, away from the scriptures, but the fact is that the scriptures are the root cause of all the problems created by religions.  Not the people who were indoctrinated into the religions of their parents.

its the laws to live, if we live without rules we are savages. Holy religious books do not stops you from any beneficial thing or action it only stops you from what is wrong and harmful for humanity.

Is killing gays wrong or not, in your opinion?

no i think its right.

Where are your morals?  You don't think murdering people is wrong?  

What the fuck is wrong with you?  Are you mentally sick?

than why you people can not hear to religious beliefs where is your freedom of speech. Why the hell you people are blaming religions for all the mess

Are you brain damaged?

Religious laws tell people to murder people for no apparent reason. That is not freedom of speech.  That is hate speech.

Religious laws incite violence.

And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.

Religion does not stop those things.  If anything, it encourages it and/or supports it.

BTW, you can get HIV on your next visit to the dentist.  HIV is spread through the exchange of bodily fluids, you ignoramus.

You are a barbarian.  Do you think you stand on the higher moral ground with your 6th-century wisdom?

You are ignoring centuries of scientific and technological progress we have made as a human race.

You are locked in a time capsule.  

yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries  ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking.

Do you want the root cause? Here it is:

https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0

I hope you will not teach your ignorance to your children.  Hopefully, you will no children to teach your 6th-century wisdom.

ehteist just want to eliminate religion from world which will never happen

Wrong again.  We want to expose the stupid, barbaric ideas religions profess.  

Religions will eliminate themselves.

Bad ideas will be replaced with better ideas.  That is how progress is made in pretty much anything.

On equal political footing, religions would not stand a chance against secular, scientific thought.

[BADecker]

^^^ But you are too stupid to do this. How do we know? Because you don't even realize that atheism has all the points of any religion. So, atheism is a religion that believes in being religion-dumb. You can tell by the fact that they won't even capitalize the first letter of their religion.

[CoinCube]

...

Religions were against science all the way.  They still are today.
...
Point is religions are regressive, they impede the technological progress.

That is the proper way to look at it.

Also a twisted perspective it’s wrong but highlighting why it’s wrong is more complex then your earlier simpler errors. You have incorrectly assigned all historic progress to your preferred worldview.

As I said before you simply don’t understand the long term drivers of progress or the necessary conditions for science to develop and thrive over time. I touched on the necessity for morality and coordination in my earlier post: Religion and Progress.

However perhaps some other thinkers would help you understand this better.

Bruce Charlton is a scientist and academic professor. He discusses the ever growing corruption of the sciences and the fundamental reasons for it here:
https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2018/09/my-experience-of-trying-to-reform.html?m=1

He also discusses how and why science succeeds and the difference between science and theology here:
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2011/06/what-is-difference-between-science-and.html?m=1

Finally John C. Wright an author and former atheist does an excellent job highlighting the relationship between Christianity and scientific progress over time here:
http://www.scifiwright.com/2012/04/science-romance-and-the-scientific-romance-of-christendom/

Ultimately it’s your choice incorporate the data available to you into a rational and coherent worldview or discard data that does not fit your preconceived construction of the world and live in error.

Good Luck

[af_newbie]

...

Religions were against science all the way.  They still are today.
...
Point is religions are regressive, they impede the technological progress.

That is the proper way to look at it.

Also a twisted perspective it’s wrong but highlighting why it’s wrong is more complex then your earlier simpler errors. You have incorrectly assigned all historic progress to your preferred worldview.

As I said before you simply don’t understand the long term drivers of progress or the necessary conditions for science to develop and thrive over time. I touched on the necessity for morality and coordination in my earlier post: Religion and Progress.

However perhaps some other thinkers would help you understand this better.

Bruce Charlton is a scientist and academic professor. He discusses the ever growing corruption of the sciences and the fundamental reasons for it here:
https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2018/09/my-experience-of-trying-to-reform.html?m=1

He also discusses how and why science succeeds and the difference between science and theology here:
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2011/06/what-is-difference-between-science-and.html?m=1

Finally John C. Wright an author and former atheist does an excellent job highlighting the relationship between Christianity and scientific progress over time here:
http://www.scifiwright.com/2012/04/science-romance-and-the-scientific-romance-of-christendom/

Ultimately it’s your choice incorporate the data available to you into a rational and coherent worldview or discard data that does not fit your preconceived construction of the world and live in error.

Good Luck

Not really. Christians/Muslims are against science education.  They constantly want to push their 'Christian science' into classrooms.
They are adamantly against the teaching of evolution, geology or anything that would directly invalidate their scriptures.

As a result, religious people on average are less educated than non-religious people.  There is a direct link between education and technological progress and between education and reproduction rates.

The only exception is the Jews.  I suspect it is their 'cultural survival' mantra that is being thought to every Jewish kid and drives them to excel in academics and everything else that they touch is responsible for their success. Religious ideas are put aside to fulfill the more important goal of survival as a nation and beat everyone else in the process.  The myth of being the 'chosen people' also helps to instill confidence and helps them think that they need to lead everyone else since they are the 'chosen people', etc.  It is all bullshit of course, but this psychological gimmick works and works well.  These cultural differences overtime produced a group of people with significantly higher average IQ than any other group.  Which 'confirms' to Jews that they are in fact the 'chosen people'. Sometimes even God needs little help. LOL

Jews are more flexible when it comes to their religion's dogma.  They 'translate' the 'God's teachings' to make sense of it in the modern world.

On the other end of the spectrum are the Muslims, who for no fault of their own live in the 6th century.

The bottom line is that science and secularism will speed up technological progress.  
The less religious you are the faster you'll get there.
The more religious you are the more you'll be stuck in the past, the Bronze Age or the 6th century.

Your pick.

[CoinCube]

The bottom line is that science and secularism will speed up technological progress.  
The less religious you are the faster you'll get there.
The more religious you are the more you'll be stuck in the past

Your pick.

Your error here is assuming technological advancement built on a foundation of moral subjectivism is progress. Such advancement taken to its logical conclusion and stripped of objective morality will ultimately make us all the slaves of nature not its master.

CS Lewis highlights this very well in his book the Abolition of Man.
This video on his work is fantastic and I highly recommend it.

The Abolition of Man
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=idgYLTnSzxI

Restraining science in a structure of objective morality will indeed slow it down. Things like the selling of aborted fetuses for research, human genetic engineering, voluntary self mutilation and many other frontiers of experimentation and knowledge will either be banned outright or very heavily restricted. That delay is well worth the cost.

The pursuit at all costs of power in the form of knowledge is ultimately a Faustian bargain.

[haseeb ahmed]

first of all we can not blame whole community just because of few rotten apples. And i think some of them hate religion because they think different religion are the reason of this extremism and radicalization presence in the world, which is true at all. Some people who are not following religion properly are extremist because no religion of world preach extremism.

What does the Bible or Quran say you should do with the gay people?

Religious people are the victims.  The worldview presented in the scriptures is what is wrong with religions.

Not 'few rotten apples' as you put it.  People are born into their religions and become indoctrinated as children.
What happens after that depends on who they associate with.

Religions poison your mind.  All religions are equally evil.

The issue is not with 'few rotten apples', the issue is with 'rotten scriptures'.

Religious apologetics always try to shift the blame on people, away from the scriptures, but the fact is that the scriptures are the root cause of all the problems created by religions.  Not the people who were indoctrinated into the religions of their parents.

its the laws to live, if we live without rules we are savages. Holy religious books do not stops you from any beneficial thing or action it only stops you from what is wrong and harmful for humanity.

Is killing gays wrong or not, in your opinion?

no i think its right.

Where are your morals?  You don't think murdering people is wrong?  

What the fuck is wrong with you?  Are you mentally sick?

than why you people can not hear to religious beliefs where is your freedom of speech. Why the hell you people are blaming religions for all the mess

Are you brain damaged?

Religious laws tell people to murder people for no apparent reason. That is not freedom of speech.  That is hate speech.

Religious laws incite violence.

And what about the diseases spreading from this homosexuality thing can you justify that as well. What about AIDS, many people die every year due to this disease and you think homosexuality is right and i consider it as a murder of innocent people from this gay community. You are savages living lives without any clear rules and instructions just living it. What about rape, alcohol, child abuse, murder, terrorism and other many bad deeds from which religions stops human beings.

Religion does not stop those things.  If anything, it encourages it and/or supports it.

BTW, you can get HIV on your next visit to the dentist.  HIV is spread through the exchange of bodily fluids, you ignoramus.

You are a barbarian.  Do you think you stand on the higher moral ground with your 6th-century wisdom?

You are ignoring centuries of scientific and technological progress we have made as a human race.

You are locked in a time capsule.  

yes you are right hiv spreads from fluid or serum but you are not pointing out the root cause from where it started. And what you are saying that religions does not stops but encourages it, how can you even say that when you don’t even know about religions. And what you are talking about science and 21 century so religions made laws to live many centuries  ago and science is following it. I feel pity for your thinking.

Do you want the root cause? Here it is:

https://www.theaidsinstitute.org/education/aids-101/where-did-hiv-come-0

I hope you will not teach your ignorance to your children.  Hopefully, you will no children to teach your 6th-century wisdom.

ehteist just want to eliminate religion from world which will never happen

Wrong again.  We want to expose the stupid, barbaric ideas religions profess.  

Religions will eliminate themselves.

Bad ideas will be replaced with better ideas.  That is how progress is made in pretty much anything.

On equal political footing, religions would not stand a chance against secular, scientific thought.

than you should search for the origin of science where started from and scientists who were involved were not secular nor etheist.