Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A)

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Thuram is really close to joining Inter.
Weah is very close to joining Juventus.


Well I guess sons will not follow fathers' careers.

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However, if you look at why Ac Milan really wants Lukaku's services, this is very reasonable. Because Milan reportedly has money, after they released player Sandro Tonali to Newcastle United. Apart from that, Ac Milan has also recently lost Ibrahimovic, who has decided to retire. So it's only natural that Ac Milan needs a striker who is tall and tall.

So for now, will these rumors be true for AC Milan? Because I also haven't seen any news about Lukaku during this time. Even if AC Milan is still after Lukaku, at least AC Milan also needs to look at other options besides Lukaku in order to be able to have a good striker for next season if AC Milan doesn't succeed in getting Lukaku. Especially if AC Milan already has the money to move more quickly in finding a more reliable striker for the team.

[Rengga Jati]

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Until now, they have finally chosen a new coach for Napoli, namely Rudi Garcia, which is arguably beyond predictions. ....

In fact, the decision to make Rudi Garcia as a coach was beyond our predictions. because previously Napoli had many lists of coaching candidates. but without my guess Rudi Garcia was the one chosen. The former Al-nassr coach is indeed quite good and has even led Al-nassr to second place in the SPL. And I hope Rudi Garcia can maintain the consistency that Napoli had last season.

Yes, right. It's a decision beyond our predictions. He wasn't even on the rumored list before, like Enrique, Cnte, Nagelsmann, and several other famous names. Napoli really can give quite a lot of surprises. But it's also interesting. Rudi Garcia's decision to accept the offer was of course a considerable consideration for him. What's more, he has to carry out quite a heavy task and burden, namely the Serie A title. Of course, his demands will be the same. But now the situation is different. So, I personally am also quite curious about the future results of Rudi Garcia's upbringing.

[BigBos]

although Lukaku did quite well at Inter, he didn't stand out. last season he played 25 times in Serie A and made 10 goals and assists. after the loan contract is finished, it will be up to Chelsea. but the strongest news is that Inter wants to keep it by negotiating. As for the news from Milan, it has been denied by every agent. as well as news from the Saudi club, because Lukaku still wants a career in Europe.

Lukaku doesn't always start so his performances don't really stand out but once in a while it's very lucky because several times with goals from that as the winner.
I don't know about the rumors about Lukaku but after returning to Chelsea Lukaku was on the sale list to the Saudi League and indeed Lukaku refused even though the offer was very high, in fact he still wants a career among other European teams, but I think the Chelsea coach now it looks like Lukaku will not be included in his new squad.

It's difficult it seems for Lukaku at the moment because however he is still possible to be on the sell list for Chelsea even if he does eventually return.
On the other hand, he still has goals and indeed European clubs still allow him, it's just that with the condition of his current salary, like it or not, if he still wants to be in big competitions, he must be willing to cut his salary because indeed for now his value will greatly decrease and of course this must adjust to the salary as well.
Being at a club in the Arab League is indeed quite good from a financial point of view, on the other hand, actually for this popularity, some media can still glance at it, because with the current conditions, with many players moving to the Arab League, this will increasingly make their popularity soar.

[nurilham]

Lukaku, who is already comfortable playing at Inter Milan, certainly wants to stay at Inter Milan longer. And currently the negotiation process between Inter Milan and Chelsea is still going on quite complicated. because Chelsea wanted to sell Lukaku but it turned out that Inter Milan only wanted to maintain Lukaku's status as a loan player. And Lukaku, who has indeed rejected an offer from an Arab club that offers a large salary, deserves a thumbs up because he is not tempted by money but he prefers to build a reputation by continuing to play in European football. And currently there are 2 Chelsea players who have rejected offers from Arab clubs.

I don't know why Inter Milan doesn't want to buy Lukaku. I think Lukaku deserves to be the main player in Inter Milan, he already proved his quality and his contribution. Lukaku is still a productive striker and his market value is only around €40m. I'm sure Inter Milan won't get difficulty spending €40m, they also need Lukaku because they only have Martinez in the striker position after Edin Dzeko left the club. If Inter Milan has a respect for Lukaku, they must sign him in this transfer window.

I'm sure Lukaku doesn't want to play in Saudi. He seems comfortable playing in Serie A. If Inter Milan doesn't want to sign him, I guess he will be waiting for an offer from other Italian teams.

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although Lukaku did quite well at Inter, he didn't stand out. last season he played 25 times in Serie A and made 10 goals and assists. after the loan contract is finished, it will be up to Chelsea. but the strongest news is that Inter wants to keep it by negotiating. As for the news from Milan, it has been denied by every agent. as well as news from the Saudi club, because Lukaku still wants a career in Europe.

Lukaku doesn't always start so his performances don't really stand out but once in a while it's very lucky because several times with goals from that as the winner.
I don't know about the rumors about Lukaku but after returning to Chelsea Lukaku was on the sale list to the Saudi League and indeed Lukaku refused even though the offer was very high, in fact he still wants a career among other European teams, but I think the Chelsea coach now it looks like Lukaku will not be included in his new squad.

A little surprised by rumors Romelu Lukaku is the target of AC Milan. Because Lukaku himself is comfortable with Inter because he was part of Inter Milan when they won the Scudetto for the 2020/2021 season. and obviously it will also be very hot later due to move to rival Klup. It is true that Lukaku has ended his loan period at Inter Milan and will soon be returned to Chelsea, but of course Chelsea will not use his services.
However, if you look at why Ac Milan really wants Lukaku's services, this is very reasonable. Because Milan reportedly has money, after they released player Sandro Tonali to Newcastle United. Apart from that, Ac Milan has also recently lost Ibrahimovic, who has decided to retire. So it's only natural that Ac Milan needs a striker who is tall and tall.

The type of performance that Lukaku has been giving recently is probably not needed by anyone. Every club is in a position where it would be better if they could get rid of him totally. But that is not possible. Chelsea was too much excited while signing him. Now they cannot get rid of him probably before 2026. Till that time he is just going to take away of money from Chelsea as a salary. Chelsea is trying to give him a loan offer end, just trying to make him and his salary officially the problem of another club. But the player also realized that he can actually leverage the situation in favour of him. That’s why he is not leaving unless he is getting it a really big deal from another club.

I think Lukaku will be more comfortable at Inter Milan than he is going back to Chelsea. Now, Lukaku brilliant appearance this season, will Inter Milan make Lukaku status permanent to become their player or Inter will choose the option to extend Lukaku's loan period. Now Chelsea need power support for the front line, so there is a high probability that Chelsea will bring Lukaku home to Chelsea and Inter Milan will lose an aggressive goalscorer for next season. Lukaku status still has the upper hand where he hopes to stay with Inter Milan next season but Inter Milan has not given a positive signal to make Lukaku status permanent from Chelsea so there is a greater chance Lukaku will return to Chelsea.

It was at such a time that Ac milan emerged as a team that would take advantage of this situation to sign Lukaku when his loan spell with inter milan ended. But Lukaku seems more interested in staying with Inter Milan next season. I think in the next few weeks Lukaku status will become known, in that if inter milan fails to find an agreement with Chelsea then there is a possibility that Lukaku will return to Epl again next season.

[Docnaster]

although Lukaku did quite well at Inter, he didn't stand out. last season he played 25 times in Serie A and made 10 goals and assists. after the loan contract is finished, it will be up to Chelsea. but the strongest news is that Inter wants to keep it by negotiating. As for the news from Milan, it has been denied by every agent. as well as news from the Saudi club, because Lukaku still wants a career in Europe.

Lukaku doesn't always start so his performances don't really stand out but once in a while it's very lucky because several times with goals from that as the winner.
I don't know about the rumors about Lukaku but after returning to Chelsea Lukaku was on the sale list to the Saudi League and indeed Lukaku refused even though the offer was very high, in fact he still wants a career among other European teams, but I think the Chelsea coach now it looks like Lukaku will not be included in his new squad.

Romelu Lukaku without doubt is a phenomenal striker that is capable enough to deliver unbelievable performance on the pitch whenever he's called upon.
Though he'll want to play play in Europe for few seasons again before he can leave Europe better still remain in Europe through out his footballing career. However, I think it'll be a good decision for him to leave for Saudi Arabian League at this moment. It a league that he'll get all the playing time he'll ever want to get and still comes with juicy financial rewards. To my own opinion, I think it'll be difficult for Lukaku to be a regular starter in either at Chelsea or at Inter

[Leviathan.007]

Lukaku, who is already comfortable playing at Inter Milan, certainly wants to stay at Inter Milan longer. And currently the negotiation process between Inter Milan and Chelsea is still going on quite complicated. because Chelsea wanted to sell Lukaku but it turned out that Inter Milan only wanted to maintain Lukaku's status as a loan player. And Lukaku, who has indeed rejected an offer from an Arab club that offers a large salary, deserves a thumbs up because he is not tempted by money but he prefers to build a reputation by continuing to play in European football. And currently there are 2 Chelsea players who have rejected offers from Arab clubs.

I don't know why Inter Milan doesn't want to buy Lukaku. I think Lukaku deserves to be the main player in Inter Milan, he already proved his quality and his contribution. Lukaku is still a productive striker and his market value is only around €40m. I'm sure Inter Milan won't get difficulty spending €40m, they also need Lukaku because they only have Martinez in the striker position after Edin Dzeko left the club. If Inter Milan has a respect for Lukaku, they must sign him in this transfer window.

I'm sure Lukaku doesn't want to play in Saudi. He seems comfortable playing in Serie A. If Inter Milan doesn't want to sign him, I guess he will be waiting for an offer from other Italian teams.

Maybe because is not stable enough and having stability is the most important thing for a player while Lukaku doesn't have this. Also, Lukaku is not a cheap player and Inter Milan should spend too much for it while he is getting old, and currently, he is 30y old and not young anymore.

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Maybe because is not stable enough and having stability is the most important thing for a player while Lukaku doesn't have this. Also, Lukaku is not a cheap player and Inter Milan should spend too much for it while he is getting old, and currently, he is 30y old and not young anymore.

I think seeing his performance last season of course Inter Milan have to think twice in making this decision where they need a stronger competerior for Martinez on the front lines And Lukaku is the best tandem that can be reunited next season. I don't think it's a big gamble if Inter Milan does the option to make Lukaku permanent as their player after his loan period ends. One of the Inter Milan strikers is confirmed to have left Inter Milan. He is Dzeko, who is reported to have found an agreement to join Fenerbahce, so Inter Milan must think quickly to find a replacement, and Lukaku is a player who was quite integrated into their playing scheme last season. I don't think 30 years old is considered old for Lukaku because he has a body that is quite stocky and very physically strong so that he can be relied on by Inter Milan next season. I think Inter Milan should buy him from Chelsea otherwise they will have big problems up front line next season. I think Inter Milan is a strong candidate team to win the Scudetto title next season, and they have to understand that, namely to make big changes in this season transfer window.

[CLS63]

Juventus had better improve their transfer attempts to prepare well for next season. It looks like they have made a start by signing Milik on a permanent deal. However he wasn't actually a very prolific striker this season. The number of goals he scored is really low compared to the number of matches played.

In addition to that they might lose Vlahovic this summer as well. In this case they can really be in need of signing a solid scorer. Because Moise Kean isn't also a great scorer now just as Milik. Aside from that they could need to improve their midfield as well. Di Maria is leaving too and he will need to be replaced with a decent winger.

Above all else Juventus actually deserve a better management but let's see if Allegri can bring back his solid times with Juventus.

[AndySt]

Maybe because is not stable enough and having stability is the most important thing for a player while Lukaku doesn't have this. Also, Lukaku is not a cheap player and Inter Milan should spend too much for it while he is getting old, and currently, he is 30y old and not young anymore.

The most interesting thing is that, according to rumors, Lukaku, on the contrary, considers himself too young to move to the Saudi championship at his age and therefore still expects to continue his career in the European championships until the 2026 World Cup, so the other day he rejected an improved offer from the Saudis, who now offer 30 million euros as opposed to the original 25 million. By the way, against the background of Inter's refusal, rumors about interest in the player from Inter's sworn friends in the person of Milan, who wants to go directly to the player himself, look quite funny.

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There were talkings for 2year loan even last year, I think he will stay at Inter for one more year on loan and the real problem I think is the buyout clausule next season when they need to buy him. I think the story about Milan is just media story, Italian media like to make things up.

The future of lukaku is still uncertain at this moment.

- Lukaku forces himself to stay in intermilan but chelsea is not willing to give another loan for interimilan.

- Al nassr already tried to buy him with 68 millions but he rejects it. He was also refusing offer from his friend to accept offer from nassr. Chelsea wants him to go to the al nassr.

- Intermilan has no money to make him as permanent from chelsea. The club can't afford to pay like what offered by al nassr.

The things become so complicated. This player looks like a shit. He doesn't even aware with how bad his performance last season. This guy was getting paid every week and he is not even willing to do what his team wants for him.

[Uruhara]

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Until now, they have finally chosen a new coach for Napoli, namely Rudi Garcia, which is arguably beyond predictions. ....

In fact, the decision to make Rudi Garcia as a coach was beyond our predictions. because previously Napoli had many lists of coaching candidates. but without my guess Rudi Garcia was the one chosen. The former Al-nassr coach is indeed quite good and has even led Al-nassr to second place in the SPL. And I hope Rudi Garcia can maintain the consistency that Napoli had last season.

Yes, right. It's a decision beyond our predictions. He wasn't even on the rumored list before, like Enrique, Cnte, Nagelsmann, and several other famous names. Napoli really can give quite a lot of surprises. But it's also interesting. Rudi Garcia's decision to accept the offer was of course a considerable consideration for him. What's more, he has to carry out quite a heavy task and burden, namely the Serie A title. Of course, his demands will be the same. But now the situation is different. So, I personally am also quite curious about the future results of Rudi Garcia's upbringing.

Rudi Garcia will obviously bear a heavy burden. Because last season Napoli managed to win the title in Serie A. So Napoli fans will certainly want the same thing in the next season. Everyone will be curious about every step that will be taken by the new Napoli coach, Rudi Garcia.

Lukaku, who is already comfortable playing at Inter Milan, certainly wants to stay at Inter Milan longer. And currently the negotiation process between Inter Milan and Chelsea is still going on quite complicated. because Chelsea wanted to sell Lukaku but it turned out that Inter Milan only wanted to maintain Lukaku's status as a loan player. And Lukaku, who has indeed rejected an offer from an Arab club that offers a large salary, deserves a thumbs up because he is not tempted by money but he prefers to build a reputation by continuing to play in European football. And currently there are 2 Chelsea players who have rejected offers from Arab clubs.

I don't know why Inter Milan doesn't want to buy Lukaku. I think Lukaku deserves to be the main player in Inter Milan, he already proved his quality and his contribution. Lukaku is still a productive striker and his market value is only around €40m. I'm sure Inter Milan won't get difficulty spending €40m, they also need Lukaku because they only have Martinez in the striker position after Edin Dzeko left the club. If Inter Milan has a respect for Lukaku, they must sign him in this transfer window.

I'm sure Lukaku doesn't want to play in Saudi. He seems comfortable playing in Serie A. If Inter Milan doesn't want to sign him, I guess he will be waiting for an offer from other Italian teams.

I heard other news that AC Milan is also interested in Lukaku. So it's going to be really interesting. But it seems that Lukaku personally is more comfortable playing at Inter Milan. I think Inter Milan should be bolder to buy Lukaku from Chelsea. Because AC Milan might suddenly appear and intend to buy Lukaku.

[Oluwa-btc]

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Until now, they have finally chosen a new coach for Napoli, namely Rudi Garcia, which is arguably beyond predictions. ....

In fact, the decision to make Rudi Garcia as a coach was beyond our predictions. because previously Napoli had many lists of coaching candidates. but without my guess Rudi Garcia was the one chosen. The former Al-nassr coach is indeed quite good and has even led Al-nassr to second place in the SPL. And I hope Rudi Garcia can maintain the consistency that Napoli had last season.

Yes, right. It's a decision beyond our predictions. He wasn't even on the rumored list before, like Enrique, Cnte, Nagelsmann, and several other famous names. Napoli really can give quite a lot of surprises. But it's also interesting. Rudi Garcia's decision to accept the offer was of course a considerable consideration for him. What's more, he has to carry out quite a heavy task and burden, namely the Serie A title. Of course, his demands will be the same. But now the situation is different. So, I personally am also quite curious about the future results of Rudi Garcia's upbringing.

Rudi Garcia will obviously bear a heavy burden. Because last season Napoli managed to win the title in Serie A. So Napoli fans will certainly want the same thing in the next season. Everyone will be curious about every step that will be taken by the new Napoli coach, Rudi Garcia.

Lukaku, who is already comfortable playing at Inter Milan, certainly wants to stay at Inter Milan longer. And currently the negotiation process between Inter Milan and Chelsea is still going on quite complicated. because Chelsea wanted to sell Lukaku but it turned out that Inter Milan only wanted to maintain Lukaku's status as a loan player. And Lukaku, who has indeed rejected an offer from an Arab club that offers a large salary, deserves a thumbs up because he is not tempted by money but he prefers to build a reputation by continuing to play in European football. And currently there are 2 Chelsea players who have rejected offers from Arab clubs.

I don't know why Inter Milan doesn't want to buy Lukaku. I think Lukaku deserves to be the main player in Inter Milan, he already proved his quality and his contribution. Lukaku is still a productive striker and his market value is only around €40m. I'm sure Inter Milan won't get difficulty spending €40m, they also need Lukaku because they only have Martinez in the striker position after Edin Dzeko left the club. If Inter Milan has a respect for Lukaku, they must sign him in this transfer window.

I'm sure Lukaku doesn't want to play in Saudi. He seems comfortable playing in Serie A. If Inter Milan doesn't want to sign him, I guess he will be waiting for an offer from other Italian teams.

I heard other news that AC Milan is also interested in Lukaku. So it's going to be really interesting. But it seems that Lukaku personally is more comfortable playing at Inter Milan. I think Inter Milan should be bolder to buy Lukaku from Chelsea. Because AC Milan might suddenly appear and intend to buy Lukaku.

There'll be enough playing time for him at Inter Milan, why move to Ac Milan? Eden Dzeko also leaving so there'll be enough playing time for him.
I still haven't read any news of Romelu Lukaku being linked to Ac Milan. Chelsea are not also ready to have him back, my guess is he'll have another season long loan spell with Inter Milan where his hearts belongs.

AC Milan and Newcastle completely done with the sale of Tonali from Milan to Newcastle. As for Inter Milan, they're having internal talks with Manchester United for the potential sale of Onana.

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Thuram is really close to joining Inter.
Weah is very close to joining Juventus.


Well I guess sons will not follow fathers' careers.

It's a bit strange to see the career of the child of the former football legend. As we all know, Marcus Thuram is the son of a Juventus legend, namely Lilian Thuram, instead of joining Juventus, he instead prefers Inter. On the other hand, Timothy Weah, who is the son of Milan legend George Weah, actually joined Juventus, which should have followed in his father's footsteps to Milan. But apart from all that, both of them will have a career in the Serie A team and that can at least make them both learn more in the league that raised his father's name.

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However, if you look at why Ac Milan really wants Lukaku's services, this is very reasonable. Because Milan reportedly has money, after they released player Sandro Tonali to Newcastle United. Apart from that, Ac Milan has also recently lost Ibrahimovic, who has decided to retire. So it's only natural that Ac Milan needs a striker who is tall and tall.

So for now, will these rumors be true for AC Milan? Because I also haven't seen any news about Lukaku during this time. Even if AC Milan is still after Lukaku, at least AC Milan also needs to look at other options besides Lukaku in order to be able to have a good striker for next season if AC Milan doesn't succeed in getting Lukaku. Especially if AC Milan already has the money to move more quickly in finding a more reliable striker for the team.

Lukaku future is still uncertain especially after Chelsea put him into sell lists players and so far Lukaku linked to AC Milan is still a rumour but indeed AC Milan is really needed new striker especially after Ibrahimovic retired and Divock Origi performance which is not meet the expectations so they really needed at least one players for striker position to playing together with Giroud and indeed Lukaku seems very suitable for Milan especially he has playing for Inter before so  he can adapt quickly

But i think probably Inter will starting to thinking to permanent Lukaku because after Dzeko moved to Fenerbahce then automatically there is vacant position for front lines so in my opinion rather than buying new player who may not be able to play as well as Lukaku then Inter should be permanent him but on the other hand his team mate at Chelsea Koulibaly have persuaded Lukaku to consider an offer from the team from Saudi Arabia so lets see what decision will he make to determine his future

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Lukaku future is still uncertain especially after Chelsea put him into sell lists players and so far Lukaku linked to AC Milan is still a rumour but indeed AC Milan is really needed new striker especially after Ibrahimovic retired and Divock Origi performance which is not meet the expectations so they really needed at least one players for striker position to playing together with Giroud and indeed Lukaku seems very suitable for Milan especially he has playing for Inter before so  he can adapt quickly

But i think probably Inter will starting to thinking to permanent Lukaku because after Dzeko moved to Fenerbahce then automatically there is vacant position for front lines so in my opinion rather than buying new player who may not be able to play as well as Lukaku then Inter should be permanent him but on the other hand his team mate at Chelsea Koulibaly have persuaded Lukaku to consider an offer from the team from Saudi Arabia so lets see what decision will he make to determine his future

Inter boss, Simone Inzaghi have good plans for Lukaku for next season. Chelsea and Inter Milan forward, Romelu Lukaku is an astounding frontline player who is being persuaded to return to Stadio Giuseppe Meaza. After winning the Coppa Italia and reaching the UCL finals with Inter Milan, AC Milan has expressed interest in Lukaku. His agent believes that his client will have a better chance if he stays at Inter Milan for another loan period. Lukaku has made it plain that he has no interest in playing for Saudi clubs because he is not ready to leave Europe football and desires to establish a legacy here.

[wiss19]

Juventus had better improve their transfer attempts to prepare well for next season. It looks like they have made a start by signing Milik on a permanent deal. However he wasn't actually a very prolific striker this season. The number of goals he scored is really low compared to the number of matches played.

In addition to that they might lose Vlahovic this summer as well. In this case they can really be in need of signing a solid scorer. Because Moise Kean isn't also a great scorer now just as Milik. Aside from that they could need to improve their midfield as well. Di Maria is leaving too and he will need to be replaced with a decent winger.

Above all else Juventus actually deserve a better management but let's see if Allegri can bring back his solid times with Juventus.

Juventus is currently having not good time on and off the field with things looking not good in future as well because right now they are having few players which are living, and they are having not suitable replacements which can bring drought for them because if Vlahović gone then who could be main for the next season and the competition is also not easy with current situation is clearly demanding more effort from the management, but we have no positive news about anything with Allegri is surely good with the tag of last man standing but who will be beside him for the positive change.

They need to talk about DI Maria but in case if he is not going to stay then surely they will have to search for the better in case of Vlahović which is currently under radar of few top clubs and most chances he will also decide about his exit from here because he wants to play in Champions League which is not available.

[mamesso]

Rudi Garcia will obviously bear a heavy burden. Because last season Napoli managed to win the title in Serie A. So Napoli fans will certainly want the same thing in the next season. Everyone will be curious about every step that will be taken by the new Napoli coach, Rudi Garcia.

It's definitely not an easy job for Rudi Garcia to coach a club with a label already attached as Serie A champions. Since successfully bringing Lille to become the Ligue 1 champions in the 2010-2011 competition year and the Europa League runners-up with Marseille in 2018, Rudi Garcia coaching career tended to fade until he finally decided to go to the Arab League with Al-Nassr.
As a result, Rudi Garcia recent career with Al-Nassr was not that impressive, it is feared that he will experience his own difficulties in maintaining the attacking football that Napoli has served under Spalletti control. If the key players they have such as Osimhen, Khvicha Kvaratskhelia and Kim Min Jae leave and don't get the replacements they want, it will make Rudi Garcia's job even more difficult in the increasingly competitive competition in Serie A and the Champions League.

[Jatiluhung]

Thuram is really close to joining Inter.
Weah is very close to joining Juventus.


Well I guess sons will not follow fathers' careers.

It's a bit strange to see the career of the child of the former football legend. As we all know, Marcus Thuram is the son of a Juventus legend, namely Lilian Thuram, instead of joining Juventus, he instead prefers Inter. On the other hand, Timothy Weah, who is the son of Milan legend George Weah, actually joined Juventus, which should have followed in his father's footsteps to Milan. But apart from all that, both of them will have a career in the Serie A team and that can at least make them both learn more in the league that raised his father's name.

Sometimes a person has the desire to make his own history and wants to be separated from the shadow of his famous father and has become a legendary player. and I think that's what Marcus Thuram and also Timothy Weah are doing. These two young players want to make their own history. Because if he was in a club that raised their father's name then of course a heavy burden would be on their shoulders too. because everyone at the club will certainly expect the child to have the same achievements as the father. and I think that's what both of them avoided.