Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[wmaurik]

That is indeed an old story and they also hope but of course they realize that it is too far to be pursued now.
The current conditions for Werder are only in the best competition in the bundesliga, which is good, in my opinion, at least they are not in a lower caste. As for indeed, if they want something much more than this then they really need a lot of capital and they now realize that they don't have enough resources for that.

Werder Bremen is an ordinary team that doesn't have flashy achievements like other teams, so it will be very difficult for Werder Bremen to get enough capital to make themselves even better next season, because Werder Bremen still need to fight for that and also have to fight for a better position in the Bundesliga next season so that they become a calculation of the rivals in the Bundesliga next season.

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[rendravolt]

Werder Bremen have had poor results this season and they were only able to finish 13th in the standings. I think after getting back into the bundesliga this season they will be much better but it seems that the results are not always good. As we know, in the 20/21 season Werder Bremen dropped to division 2 of the bundesliga and were only able to return this season in the highest competition of the bundesliga, but were almost in the relegation zone with a difference of 3 points. I think they need to start next season with even more motivation to get to a better place, we know that Werder Bremen were one of the strongest teams in the early 2000s and Miroslav Klose played many seasons at this club.

I think most of the fans of Werder Bremen are aware that the glorious days of Werder from the early 2000's, were they really were a tough contender of Bayern Munich and even managed to win the Bundesliga title, are over for a long time now. I even think that it is extremely unlikely or even impossible, that Werder will be a top 4 club in Germany again within the next 10 years or so. For that to happen they would need a big investor from outside or stuff like that, but given the fact that in Germany the club needs to hold at least 51% of it's shares themself basically means that there won't be a sheikh or oligarch coming in like it happens often in England.

But unfortunately Werder Bremen were not able to do that and they have continued to fall since the last time they won the bundesliga season 03/24. Indeed, it seems that for now, even for the next few years, Werder Bremen is still not feasible to be able to return to competing at the top flight.

I just found out that the shares owned by the club must be around 51% and if that's the rule it will be very difficult for any Bundesliga club to be able to get a supply of funds from outside investors. It seems that the Bundesliga has strict rules, different from other leagues that have so far been successfully acquired by Middle Eastern or Asian people.

[bitgolden]

After a one-year absence from the top flight, VfB Stuttgart have bounced straight back to the Bundesliga for the second time in four years and the three-time champions will be hoping their latest return is a permanent one.

https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/vfb-stuttgart-promoted-back-to-top-flight-pellegrino-matarazzo-11792

The system is fair. Stuttgart has also ever played in the bundesliga 2 before it has been promoted to the bundesliga.

I can't even agree with you in this case. The system is fair. Play away and home.

I agree that the system is fair. However, there are also leagues that straight up drop the worse three and promote the best three of second division and they just do that. Like in an 18 club league, they drop the 16-17-18 directly without any playoff or anything, they are gone, and 1-2-3 directly goes up, no playoffs or anything, or even if they do, then the worst of first division drops, but the promotion could be based on playoffs as well.

Those are quite important stuff and definitely worths the attention as well. I know for a fact that it is going to be tough for second division clubs to end up fighting against the relegation of bundesliga because there is absolutely no financial similarity, hence why it is not going to be easy.

[hahay]

In the end, Stuttgart really didn't want to be beaten by Hamburger SV. In fact, in the second leg which was played at home to Hamburger SV, at least Hamburger SV could have better statistics and that allowed Hamburger SV to be able to win even if only by 1-0. But in the second half Stuttgart again scored three goals and ended the second leg with a final score of 1-3 and that means Stuttgart managed to win 6-1 on aggregate. With these results, of course, Stuttgart remains a team that deserves to play in the Bundesliga next season.

I think everything was clear after the first game and the players of Hamburg did not believe in a positive outcome - with such a mood (objectively justified when the result of the whole season has already been lost) it is difficult to win even with a minimum score (which will not give anything anyway). Plus, by the end of the season, Stuttgart got in good shape (by the way, they took away points from Dortmund by drawing with it - as it turns out, this was way important) and therefore they easily won the second game as well.

But apart from that, the fact is that this season is Stuttgart's third season playing in the Bundesliga after successfully being promoted back from the 2. Bundesliga in season 19/20. During his first season, Stuttgart returned to play in the Bundesliga in the 20/21 season, Stuttgart managed to finish in a very good position, because Stuttgart managed to finish in the top 10 of the final Bundesliga standings in the 20/21 season.

But after that, Stuttgart experienced a drastic decline again and almost got relegated too in the 21/22 season and this season, Stuttgart finally finished in the relegation zone. But yes, at least Stuttgart were lucky to win in the playoffs and in doing so, Stuttgart managed not to be relegated after two seasons, with poor results.

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Werder Bremen have had poor results this season and they were only able to finish 13th in the standings. I think after getting back into the bundesliga this season they will be much better but it seems that the results are not always good. As we know, in the 20/21 season Werder Bremen dropped to division 2 of the bundesliga and were only able to return this season in the highest competition of the bundesliga, but were almost in the relegation zone with a difference of 3 points. I think they need to start next season with even more motivation to get to a better place, we know that Werder Bremen were one of the strongest teams in the early 2000s and Miroslav Klose played many seasons at this club.

Despite Werder Bremen difficulties this year their future performance is still hopeful. While finishing in 13th position may not have been ideal it is crucial to keep in mind that they had just rejoined the Bundesliga after spending the 20/21 season in division 2. They had a difficult year since, with just a three point margin they were perilously near to the relegation zone. The club should use this loss as inspiration to improve for the upcoming season. With their early 2000s heydays and the presence of great player Miroslav Klose, Werder Bremen has a lengthy history. The team can focus their efforts and resolve to seek for a better position in the following season by drawing motivation from their prior triumphs. Werder Bremen has the ability to recover and make great advancements in the future with increased motivation and a strong desire to restore their past glory.

[klidex]

Try to imagine that the difference in 3 aggregate points is not a small amount, while Hamburger itself is not strong enough to match Stuttgart's performance.
It's impossible for me that Hamburger can beat Stuttgart because only a miracle can give Hamburger 5 goals in this match.
Because in this match I believe that at least Stuttgart will score at least 1 goal so that the points are 4 and Hamburger must have 5 goals to win.
So only luck can surprise you in this game.

It is difficult to imagine Hamburg winning against Stuttgart; it would require a real miracle. Hamburg would need to score 5 goals in this match to secure a victory. On the other hand, I don't believe that Stuttgart would be unable to score more than one goal. Therefore, it can be said that winning is not an easy task for Hamburg in their confrontation with Stuttgart, and it would require a miracle to achieve it.

Now, Stuttgart managed to score the equalizer goal, and I hope that this result continues because I have bet on a draw outcome.

Instead of thinking about wanting to win, it's impossible for Hamburger to win because in the first leg they were 3 points behind Stuttgart.
If there was a miracle they might have won but what a miracle could come and go against what was destined because in that match the advantage and guarantee of victory was in the hands of Stuttgart.
It has been proven that Stuttgart deserved to be champions and they can be proud of having achieved this victory.

[herurist]

Now, with a quite striking defeat to Hamburg in the playoffs, it is certain that Stuttgart will still be in the bundesliga next season and will still be competing in the highest competition.
Heidenheim and Darmstadt also joined to replace Schalke and Hertha who had to be relegated.
Will these promoted clubs eventually make something interesting or is it the same as Schalke which keeps repeating itself in the Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2. It is quite interesting to wait about this.

Stuttgart made it through the relegation play-off round well and got two wins in the two legs of the match. I'm quite happy with Stuttgart's success in being able to return to the bundesliga, but I don't expect too much from this team because for sure they will still be in the bottom place in the bundesliga next season.

I'm really looking forward to Heidenheim and Darmstadt who will get their turn to have the opportunity to play in the bundesliga and both of them are also doing a good job to be able to compete in the bundesliga next season, maybe it's really quite a shame that Schalke, who was previously one of the strongest teams in the bundesliga, now has to accept the fate of going down to the second division bundesliga.

For next season, even though they are quite brilliant in the playoffs this time, that is not a guarantee either. At the moment Stuttgart will only be a club that is at the bottom of the table but they are aware of that but of course with them continuing to be in the bundesliga it is already very good for them.
I actually saw Darmstadt condition from the previous season but indeed towards the end of the season they always stumbled and this season they were finally able to penetrate the highest caste after waiting for a long time to return to this caste.

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In the end, Stuttgart really didn't want to be beaten by Hamburger SV. In fact, in the second leg which was played at home to Hamburger SV, at least Hamburger SV could have better statistics and that allowed Hamburger SV to be able to win even if only by 1-0. But in the second half Stuttgart again scored three goals and ended the second leg with a final score of 1-3 and that means Stuttgart managed to win 6-1 on aggregate. With these results, of course, Stuttgart remains a team that deserves to play in the Bundesliga next season.

Hamburg got hope with the early goal. Unfortunately they did not score a second goal in the first half. Otherwise it would certainly have been more exciting.
In the second half, however, the difference became obvious. Just like in the first leg. When Stuttgart shifted up a gear, Hamburgs defence was overburdened. Stuttgarts second goal was due to a mistake from the goalkeeper from Hamburg. The third goal did not matter because Hamburg could not have won anyway.
But Hamburg gave a lot to the fans and the atmosphere in the stadium was said to be good. So in the end everyone is happy after all.

[rendravolt]

Now, with a quite striking defeat to Hamburg in the playoffs, it is certain that Stuttgart will still be in the bundesliga next season and will still be competing in the highest competition.
Heidenheim and Darmstadt also joined to replace Schalke and Hertha who had to be relegated.
Will these promoted clubs eventually make something interesting or is it the same as Schalke which keeps repeating itself in the Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2. It is quite interesting to wait about this.

Stuttgart made it through the relegation play-off round well and got two wins in the two legs of the match. I'm quite happy with Stuttgart's success in being able to return to the bundesliga, but I don't expect too much from this team because for sure they will still be in the bottom place in the bundesliga next season.

I'm really looking forward to Heidenheim and Darmstadt who will get their turn to have the opportunity to play in the bundesliga and both of them are also doing a good job to be able to compete in the bundesliga next season, maybe it's really quite a shame that Schalke, who was previously one of the strongest teams in the bundesliga, now has to accept the fate of going down to the second division bundesliga.

For next season, even though they are quite brilliant in the playoffs this time, that is not a guarantee either. At the moment Stuttgart will only be a club that is at the bottom of the table but they are aware of that but of course with them continuing to be in the bundesliga it is already very good for them.
I actually saw Darmstadt condition from the previous season but indeed towards the end of the season they always stumbled and this season they were finally able to penetrate the highest caste after waiting for a long time to return to this caste.

Indeed, Stuttgart will certainly not be able to meet our expectations to be able to perform better next season, even for mid-table positions, they will definitely have difficulties. I think it is true that they are still the bottom team in the standings, but at least they have to change their game a little so they can finish in a better position. Talking about Damstadt I haven't heard of this team before and if they have an unusual process to the bundesliga, they might be a pretty tough challenger next season, only if Damstadt can be consistent in their matches.

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In the end, Stuttgart really didn't want to be beaten by Hamburger SV. In fact, in the second leg which was played at home to Hamburger SV, at least Hamburger SV could have better statistics and that allowed Hamburger SV to be able to win even if only by 1-0. But in the second half Stuttgart again scored three goals and ended the second leg with a final score of 1-3 and that means Stuttgart managed to win 6-1 on aggregate. With these results, of course, Stuttgart remains a team that deserves to play in the Bundesliga next season.

Hamburg got hope with the early goal. Unfortunately they did not score a second goal in the first half. Otherwise it would certainly have been more exciting.
In the second half, however, the difference became obvious. Just like in the first leg. When Stuttgart shifted up a gear, Hamburgs defence was overburdened. Stuttgarts second goal was due to a mistake from the goalkeeper from Hamburg. The third goal did not matter because Hamburg could not have won anyway.
But Hamburg gave a lot to the fans and the atmosphere in the stadium was said to be good. So in the end everyone is happy after all.

Their condition and mentality had been disturbed from the start, especially with a 3-goal deficit, they definitely thought that this was a difficult thing.
But seeing how they played in the first half I was quite happy with them, it's just that for the second half it still looked the same as the first leg where they tried to attack but forgot about the defense which had lots of gaps and could be easily exploited by Stuttgart.

[Leviathan.007]

I don't have problem with Bayern Munich but I think they usually win the league because other teams are not investing well enough and other teams make huge mistakes otherwise Bayern Munich couldn't win this league at all in a normal situation because of having unstable results and unstable situation in their team.
Dortmund could have a much better performance and this way they would not lose this chance for this season in the last minutes.

[rahmad2nd]

Dortmund wasted their championship opportunity too easy by not even being able to win against an aimless team on the last week of the season. This can't be acceptable even though they have still had a solid season. The ending shouldn't have been like this. I assume Dortmund have no reasonable explanation to this result either. It was like they already secured the title so they just didn't care about the match. The first half of it was exactly like that and that effort in the second half wasn't enough as a result.

Terzic surely had a good season anyway by staying in the title race until the end. But he also needs to learn his lesson from this kind of poor ending. Dortmund normally don't care about whether they become the champions but when they have another chance they should know how to make use of it.

This must be the biggest nonsense I have read today.
Dortmund doesn't care if they become champions, are you serious??
So what are they playing for if not for the championship?

In the last years Dortmund is basically the only contender Bayern has that has been kind of always there.

The only difference is that this year they had 1 hand on the trophy and just couldn't get it done. They basically lost it and handed it to Bayern.
But not wanting to become champions is just hilarious.

The other thing you said about the last game is nonsense as well, "they just didn't care about the match". Did you even see the game? You claim they played like they don't care, haha. 29:10 shots and 73% possession, and they didn't care. 

Maybe what @emrecemsam meant was, Dortmund didn't target to win a trophy. because as we know, Dortmund's mission is to finish in the top four of the Bundesliga and they still exist in the Champions League. the target is to create young talents who have the talent to become future stars. after that, they will get a big profit from the sale of one of their successful players stretcher to become a star.

In this season, Dortmund made a big profit just by releasing Jude Bellingham to Madrid. not to mention, there are several other players that other big clubs might be interested in, for example, Adeyemi whose performance is starting to improve towards the end of this season. it could also be Youssoufa Maukoko who was linked with several big clubs who were interested in him. So far, Dortmund is a successful club with their business style even without much support from sponsors and ticket sales.

Well, because in this season Dortmund had the opportunity to break Bayern Munich's domination, they are trying to make it happen. Unfortunately, luck was not on their side. as we all know, as a result Bayern Munich continues to dominate the Bundesliga for the umpteenth time.

[bekti3]

I don't have Bayern Munich but I think they usually win the league because other teams are not investing well enough and other teams make huge mistakes otherwise Bayern Munich couldn't win this league at all in a normal situation because of having unstable results and unstable situation in their team.
Dortmund could have a much better performance and this way they would not lose this chance for this season in the last minutes.

Strength is also important in this case. Bayern have always been strong with the players they have because they are above the average players at other clubs both individually and as a team.
On the other hand, the real comparison is about finances so that they can continue to make updates in a better direction for their club than other clubs.
But this season, the sale of Lewa has more or less affected Bayern's condition, I think, but it is possible that they can be anticipated again next season if they don't hesitate to look for another potential star as their target.

[Lafu]

Looks like that Gerardo Seoane is the new coach of Gladbach for the coming new season!
He got an 3 years contract from what i have readed in the news.
Source : https://www.gladbachlive.de/news/gladbach-umfrage-seoane-neuer-borussia-trainer-gute-wahl-1-578792

Werder Bremen is an ordinary team that doesn't have flashy achievements like other teams, so it will be very difficult for Werder Bremen to get enough capital to make themselves even better next season, because Werder Bremen still need to fight for that and also have to fight for a better position in the Bundesliga next season so that they become a calculation of the rivals in the Bundesliga next season.

If you looking to Werder Bremen the last years they have already made some improvements in playing and other things.
But to count them in calculation to maybe win the german title in the next season i would say that is unrealistic and will be not happend.

[KTChampions]

I think everything was clear after the first game and the players of Hamburg did not believe in a positive outcome - with such a mood (objectively justified when the result of the whole season has already been lost) it is difficult to win even with a minimum score (which will not give anything anyway). Plus, by the end of the season, Stuttgart got in good shape (by the way, they took away points from Dortmund by drawing with it - as it turns out, this was way important) and therefore they easily won the second game as well.

After getting points from Dortmund and improving the quality of their games in the last few weeks, I honestly did not give Hamburg a chance in the struggle to stay in the league. It was bad for Hamburg. They will have to try their luck next year for the Bundesliga. Stuttgart once again showed how important a team they are with this win.

I did not follow this event, so I cannot say how obvious the result was before the start of the games. Maybe you remember what quotes the bookmakers had? Hamburg didn't use their chance, but they have next season and can get a direct ticket to the Bundesliga if they play well all season. It's always a safer option than trying to be successful in two separate games where you might just get unlucky.

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Strength is also important in this case. Bayern have always been strong with the players they have because they are above the average players at other clubs both individually and as a team.
On the other hand, the real comparison is about finances so that they can continue to make updates in a better direction for their club than other clubs.
But this season, the sale of Lewa has more or less affected Bayern's condition, I think, but it is possible that they can be anticipated again next season if they don't hesitate to look for another potential star as their target.

Bayern Munich strength this season is quite good, this was evident before the change of coach occurred where Bayern Munich was able to put great pressure on the Champions League and the Bundesliga. Now their performance was quite stunning at the start of the season and even Moting was one of the players who was able to make a big contribution to Bayern Munich. However, slowly or rather during the second half of the season, Bayern experienced a slight decline in their performance and a change of coach made them lose balance and things it became one of the factors that they need time under coach tuchel.

Apart from that, I think Bayern Munich is still the strongest team in the Bundesliga this season, we can guess that Bayern Munich will learn from their mistakes in the Champions League this season and this will soon be addressed by Bayern Munich management in the transfer window.

[maju69]

I think everything was clear after the first game and the players of Hamburg did not believe in a positive outcome - with such a mood (objectively justified when the result of the whole season has already been lost) it is difficult to win even with a minimum score (which will not give anything anyway). Plus, by the end of the season, Stuttgart got in good shape (by the way, they took away points from Dortmund by drawing with it - as it turns out, this was way important) and therefore they easily won the second game as well.

After getting points from Dortmund and improving the quality of their games in the last few weeks, I honestly did not give Hamburg a chance in the struggle to stay in the league. It was bad for Hamburg. They will have to try their luck next year for the Bundesliga. Stuttgart once again showed how important a team they are with this win.

I did not follow this event, so I cannot say how obvious the result was before the start of the games. Maybe you remember what quotes the bookmakers had? Hamburg didn't use their chance, but they have next season and can get a direct ticket to the Bundesliga if they play well all season. It's always a safer option than trying to be successful in two separate games where you might just get unlucky.

I already thought even when I saw the result of the first leg of the play off round between Stuttgart vs Humberg and sure enough it happened again in the second leg where Humberg had to accept defeat for the second time and made the aggregate 6-1, that was a bad result for them . conversely for Stuttgart they were able to complete their task very well and ensured they could survive in the Bundesliga even though they went through the Play off round.

[slapper]

I don't have Bayern Munich but I think they usually win the league because other teams are not investing well enough and other teams make huge mistakes otherwise Bayern Munich couldn't win this league at all in a normal situation because of having unstable results and unstable situation in their team.
Dortmund could have a much better performance and this way they would not lose this chance for this season in the last minutes.

Strength is also important in this case. Bayern have always been strong with the players they have because they are above the average players at other clubs both individually and as a team.
On the other hand, the real comparison is about finances so that they can continue to make updates in a better direction for their club than other clubs.
But this season, the sale of Lewa has more or less affected Bayern's condition, I think, but it is possible that they can be anticipated again next season if they don't hesitate to look for another potential star as their target.

No one is throwing shade at the other Bundesliga sides, but Bayern Munich's prowess is unarguably rooted in standout performers across the board - a real team of influencers, you might say. But this season? They've got this niggle, this irritation - think of it as a meme that's outlived its fun. It's all tied to Lewandowski's exit.

You're on the money when you talk about Lewa's exit. Feels like someone's swiped right on the wrong profile, doesn't it? Still, Bayern's mojo doesn't revolve around just one user. We all saw Moting stepping up to the plate earlier this season. So, it's not time to hit the panic button just yet.

Next season's chances? They could be a glow-up waiting to happen, provided the transfer market plays nice. So, will they unearth another trendsetter, or are they left doomscrolling for a whole flock of followers? Future's a bit of a cliffhanger right now, isn't it?

[bct_ail]

In this season, Dortmund made a big profit just by releasing Jude Bellingham to Madrid. not to mention, there are several other players that other big clubs might be interested in, for example, Adeyemi whose performance is starting to improve towards the end of this season. it could also be Youssoufa Maukoko who was linked with several big clubs who were interested in him. So far, Dortmund is a successful club with their business style even without much support from sponsors and ticket sales.

Dortmund was always a club who made a lot of profit by selling their players. And the sum for Bellingham is huge. They bought him for 25 million euros in 2020 and now he is to be sold for 103 million euros. Although his contract runs until 2025, they have already decided to sell him. I do not know if it would be better to wait for another year. He has performed really well since 2020.

[shogun47]

Strength is also important in this case. Bayern have always been strong with the players they have because they are above the average players at other clubs both individually and as a team.
On the other hand, the real comparison is about finances so that they can continue to make updates in a better direction for their club than other clubs.
But this season, the sale of Lewa has more or less affected Bayern's condition, I think, but it is possible that they can be anticipated again next season if they don't hesitate to look for another potential star as their target.

Bayern Munich strength this season is quite good, this was evident before the change of coach occurred where Bayern Munich was able to put great pressure on the Champions League and the Bundesliga. Now their performance was quite stunning at the start of the season and even Moting was one of the players who was able to make a big contribution to Bayern Munich. However, slowly or rather during the second half of the season, Bayern experienced a slight decline in their performance and a change of coach made them lose balance and things it became one of the factors that they need time under coach tuchel.

Apart from that, I think Bayern Munich is still the strongest team in the Bundesliga this season, we can guess that Bayern Munich will learn from their mistakes in the Champions League this season and this will soon be addressed by Bayern Munich management in the transfer window.

Bayern Munich has the highest capacities in many respects. Reputation, financials, infrastructure etc. But whether they are the strongest team or not is decided by the Bundesliga title as I think having the best names on paper doesn't mean you are the strongest team. There are a lot of ingredients that need to be on point in order to be the strongest team on a match day, for a month, but also for an entire season. The mental aspect and also saturation of success can play a role. It happens quite often that when a club is used to winning all the time, at some point they start relaxing unintentionally and this is where teams that are more hungry for success can geht their chance. We saw that this season in the Bundesliga, but everyone knows how it ended.