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June 08, 2023, 07:48:22 AM
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In this season, Dortmund made a big profit just by releasing Jude Bellingham to Madrid. not to mention, there are several other players that other big clubs might be interested in, for example, Adeyemi whose performance is starting to improve towards the end of this season. it could also be Youssoufa Maukoko who was linked with several big clubs who were interested in him. So far, Dortmund is a successful club with their business style even without much support from sponsors and ticket sales.

Dortmund was always a club who made a lot of profit by selling their players. And the sum for Bellingham is huge. They bought him for 25 million euros in 2020 and now he is to be sold for 103 million euros. Although his contract runs until 2025, they have already decided to sell him. I do not know if it would be better to wait for another year. He has performed really well since 2020.
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June 08, 2023, 09:06:01 AM
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Strength is also important in this case. Bayern have always been strong with the players they have because they are above the average players at other clubs both individually and as a team.
On the other hand, the real comparison is about finances so that they can continue to make updates in a better direction for their club than other clubs.
But this season, the sale of Lewa has more or less affected Bayern's condition, I think, but it is possible that they can be anticipated again next season if they don't hesitate to look for another potential star as their target.
Bayern Munich strength this season is quite good, this was evident before the change of coach occurred where Bayern Munich was able to put great pressure on the Champions League and the Bundesliga. Now their performance was quite stunning at the start of the season and even Moting was one of the players who was able to make a big contribution to Bayern Munich. However, slowly or rather during the second half of the season, Bayern experienced a slight decline in their performance and a change of coach made them lose balance and things it became one of the factors that they need time under coach tuchel.

Apart from that, I think Bayern Munich is still the strongest team in the Bundesliga this season, we can guess that Bayern Munich will learn from their mistakes in the Champions League this season and this will soon be addressed by Bayern Munich management in the transfer window.

Bayern Munich has the highest capacities in many respects. Reputation, financials, infrastructure etc. But whether they are the strongest team or not is decided by the Bundesliga title as I think having the best names on paper doesn't mean you are the strongest team. There are a lot of ingredients that need to be on point in order to be the strongest team on a match day, for a month, but also for an entire season. The mental aspect and also saturation of success can play a role. It happens quite often that when a club is used to winning all the time, at some point they start relaxing unintentionally and this is where teams that are more hungry for success can geht their chance. We saw that this season in the Bundesliga, but everyone knows how it ended.

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June 08, 2023, 09:16:38 AM
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Dortmund was always a club who made a lot of profit by selling their players. And the sum for Bellingham is huge. They bought him for 25 million euros in 2020 and now he is to be sold for 103 million euros. Although his contract runs until 2025, they have already decided to sell him. I do not know if it would be better to wait for another year. He has performed really well since 2020.

Dortmund are working very well in this direction, it is worth selling a player when he is in great shape and there is a lot of demand for him. They’ll wait another year, maybe the price will rise a little, but I’m sure it won’t be significant, but during this time the player may get injured, or he may have a recession, so there’s no need to take risks, this is Dortmund’s strategy, they have always sold promising players, they earn big money this way.

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June 08, 2023, 09:31:19 AM
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Dortmund was always a club who made a lot of profit by selling their players. And the sum for Bellingham is huge. They bought him for 25 million euros in 2020 and now he is to be sold for 103 million euros. Although his contract runs until 2025, they have already decided to sell him. I do not know if it would be better to wait for another year. He has performed really well since 2020.

Dortmund are working very well in this direction, it is worth selling a player when he is in great shape and there is a lot of demand for him. They’ll wait another year, maybe the price will rise a little, but I’m sure it won’t be significant, but during this time the player may get injured, or he may have a recession, so there’s no need to take risks, this is Dortmund’s strategy, they have always sold promising players, they earn big money this way.
That is what has made Dortmund successful over the past few seasons, their club management has been so smart in taking advantage of the moment to attract the attention of several teams to be able to compete for one of their talented players and I think what Dortmund has done has been one of the business tactics so far. Dortmund succeeded in selling Erling Haaland at the start of the season and now they have managed to sell Jude Bellingham at the end of the season, two fantastic transfers that only Dortmund could do.

But sometimes that's the case, there are even some talented players who have lost their performance after leaving Dortmund at their new club, sometimes I wonder what caused these very good players to experience this. Could it be because he doesn't fit in with his teammates or does he really not suit his new coach's coaching style? Well, it seems like fate doesn't line up with careers.

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June 08, 2023, 09:43:15 AM
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In this season, Dortmund made a big profit just by releasing Jude Bellingham to Madrid. not to mention, there are several other players that other big clubs might be interested in, for example, Adeyemi whose performance is starting to improve towards the end of this season. it could also be Youssoufa Maukoko who was linked with several big clubs who were interested in him. So far, Dortmund is a successful club with their business style even without much support from sponsors and ticket sales.

Dortmund was always a club who made a lot of profit by selling their players. And the sum for Bellingham is huge. They bought him for 25 million euros in 2020 and now he is to be sold for 103 million euros. Although his contract runs until 2025, they have already decided to sell him. I do not know if it would be better to wait for another year. He has performed really well since 2020.

Yeah Dortmund are smart at picking up players and developing and selling them too. They have developed lot of good players over the years and sold them mostly over 70-80m Euro mark easily.  Also Dortmund are not the type of club to hold down a player when player wants to move. In here Bellingham already wanted to move to Madrid and Dortmund as usual don't want to hold the player as usual. I haven't seen them trying to convince a player who wants to move to stay.
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June 08, 2023, 09:57:45 AM
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But sometimes that's the case, there are even some talented players who have lost their performance after leaving Dortmund at their new club, sometimes I wonder what caused these very good players to experience this. Could it be because he doesn't fit in with his teammates or does he really not suit his new coach's coaching style? Well, it seems like fate doesn't line up with careers.

There are certainly several factors that lead to a drop in performance. Problems with the team or the coach, as you have already written. Maybe you do not feel comfortable in the city. The family is not happy at the new place. The structure in the club is not what you have expected. Just like it is in real life. This can also happen to non-footballers when they change a job.
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June 08, 2023, 11:07:17 AM
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But sometimes that's the case, there are even some talented players who have lost their performance after leaving Dortmund at their new club, sometimes I wonder what caused these very good players to experience this. Could it be because he doesn't fit in with his teammates or does he really not suit his new coach's coaching style? Well, it seems like fate doesn't line up with careers.

There are certainly several factors that lead to a drop in performance. Problems with the team or the coach, as you have already written. Maybe you do not feel comfortable in the city. The family is not happy at the new place. The structure in the club is not what you have expected. Just like it is in real life. This can also happen to non-footballers when they change a job.
Obviously there are many factors that make a player drop dramatically when he is at his new club, it is something we see very often in football. Sometimes factors outside of logic can also influence, for example from a striker, in the game they are still playing well but they forget how to score goals even though they get lots of chances.

For example, what happened to Benzema a few seasons ago, he had a lot of trouble scoring goals, even though he always got the opportunity in every game, until finally there was a moment when the club's fans booed Benzema because they thought he didn't know how to score goals. I think it was a bad luck that season, because now we know how much Benzema contributed to Real Madrid, even though he had to leave in the end.

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June 08, 2023, 11:34:24 AM
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But sometimes that's the case, there are even some talented players who have lost their performance after leaving Dortmund at their new club, sometimes I wonder what caused these very good players to experience this. Could it be because he doesn't fit in with his teammates or does he really not suit his new coach's coaching style? Well, it seems like fate doesn't line up with careers.

There are certainly several factors that lead to a drop in performance. Problems with the team or the coach, as you have already written. Maybe you do not feel comfortable in the city. The family is not happy at the new place. The structure in the club is not what you have expected. Just like it is in real life. This can also happen to non-footballers when they change a job.
But I do not see many players who left Dortmund and declined drastically. It is understandable that they may drop in form but a while they still pick up to their form again, just like what happens to other footballers.
Let's say Haaland;
- He is doing great and went to the perfect club.
Let's say Aubameyang;
-He performed good in his Arsenal days and layer dropped because age isn't by his side.
Let's say Sancho:
-To me Sancho hasn't been that great and exceptional player everyone thought he was, but there is room for improvement considering his age.
-Jude Bellingham will not disappoint.

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June 08, 2023, 11:39:50 AM
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Strength is also important in this case. Bayern have always been strong with the players they have because they are above the average players at other clubs both individually and as a team.
On the other hand, the real comparison is about finances so that they can continue to make updates in a better direction for their club than other clubs.
But this season, the sale of Lewa has more or less affected Bayern's condition, I think, but it is possible that they can be anticipated again next season if they don't hesitate to look for another potential star as their target.
Bayern Munich strength this season is quite good, this was evident before the change of coach occurred where Bayern Munich was able to put great pressure on the Champions League and the Bundesliga. Now their performance was quite stunning at the start of the season and even Moting was one of the players who was able to make a big contribution to Bayern Munich. However, slowly or rather during the second half of the season, Bayern experienced a slight decline in their performance and a change of coach made them lose balance and things it became one of the factors that they need time under coach tuchel.

Apart from that, I think Bayern Munich is still the strongest team in the Bundesliga this season, we can guess that Bayern Munich will learn from their mistakes in the Champions League this season and this will soon be addressed by Bayern Munich management in the transfer window.

Bayern Munich has the highest capacities in many respects. Reputation, financials, infrastructure etc. But whether they are the strongest team or not is decided by the Bundesliga title as I think having the best names on paper doesn't mean you are the strongest team. There are a lot of ingredients that need to be on point in order to be the strongest team on a match day, for a month, but also for an entire season. The mental aspect and also saturation of success can play a role. It happens quite often that when a club is used to winning all the time, at some point they start relaxing unintentionally and this is where teams that are more hungry for success can geht their chance. We saw that this season in the Bundesliga, but everyone knows how it ended.
It is obvious that Bayern Munich dominates in a number of areas including reputation financial resources and infrastructure. The Bundesliga championship however measures actual strength on the pitch which goes beyond having a roster full of illustrious players. Numerous variables must come together for a team to be the strongest over the course of the full season not just for a single game or month. The game mental component and any potential complacency that results from ongoing success can have a big impact. It is usual for a team used to winning to mistakenly let its guard down giving hungry and tenacious teams a chance. Such events occurred during this Bundesliga season but ultimately everyone saw the expected conclusion.

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June 08, 2023, 01:50:45 PM
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Strength is also important in this case. Bayern have always been strong with the players they have because they are above the average players at other clubs both individually and as a team.
On the other hand, the real comparison is about finances so that they can continue to make updates in a better direction for their club than other clubs.
But this season, the sale of Lewa has more or less affected Bayern's condition, I think, but it is possible that they can be anticipated again next season if they don't hesitate to look for another potential star as their target.
Bayern Munich strength this season is quite good, this was evident before the change of coach occurred where Bayern Munich was able to put great pressure on the Champions League and the Bundesliga. Now their performance was quite stunning at the start of the season and even Moting was one of the players who was able to make a big contribution to Bayern Munich. However, slowly or rather during the second half of the season, Bayern experienced a slight decline in their performance and a change of coach made them lose balance and things it became one of the factors that they need time under coach tuchel.

Apart from that, I think Bayern Munich is still the strongest team in the Bundesliga this season, we can guess that Bayern Munich will learn from their mistakes in the Champions League this season and this will soon be addressed by Bayern Munich management in the transfer window.

Bayern Munich has the highest capacities in many respects. Reputation, financials, infrastructure etc. But whether they are the strongest team or not is decided by the Bundesliga title as I think having the best names on paper doesn't mean you are the strongest team. There are a lot of ingredients that need to be on point in order to be the strongest team on a match day, for a month, but also for an entire season. The mental aspect and also saturation of success can play a role. It happens quite often that when a club is used to winning all the time, at some point they start relaxing unintentionally and this is where teams that are more hungry for success can geht their chance. We saw that this season in the Bundesliga, but everyone knows how it ended.
It is obvious that Bayern Munich dominates in a number of areas including reputation financial resources and infrastructure. The Bundesliga championship however measures actual strength on the pitch which goes beyond having a roster full of illustrious players. Numerous variables must come together for a team to be the strongest over the course of the full season not just for a single game or month. The game mental component and any potential complacency that results from ongoing success can have a big impact. It is usual for a team used to winning to mistakenly let its guard down giving hungry and tenacious teams a chance. Such events occurred during this Bundesliga season but ultimately everyone saw the expected conclusion.
I won't accept anything like a mistake winning or luck here, Bayern Munich might not be in their utmost feat but they deserve what they got, after all, they didn't get to the first 2 levels by chance before they eventually win the league among the 18 clubs who contested it. Bayern Munich is a strong name in Bundesliga and might retain this for a longer time, and even now, they are facing challenges, if not, the point they were supposed to gap their next opponent should be much. This is the same thing that cost them the Champions League, but let's be patient for Tuchel, though his first impressions are not good, I still believe in the club.

Besides, we should not be using the financial stand of a club to be judging all the time, maybe we can learn from Seria A this season, it's more about the coach and the team thereof. Once they are good and determined to play, then they can be so surprising.

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June 08, 2023, 02:39:20 PM
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It is obvious that Bayern Munich dominates in a number of areas including reputation financial resources and infrastructure. The Bundesliga championship however measures actual strength on the pitch which goes beyond having a roster full of illustrious players. Numerous variables must come together for a team to be the strongest over the course of the full season not just for a single game or month. The game mental component and any potential complacency that results from ongoing success can have a big impact. It is usual for a team used to winning to mistakenly let its guard down giving hungry and tenacious teams a chance. Such events occurred during this Bundesliga season but ultimately everyone saw the expected conclusion.

I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at  least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.
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June 08, 2023, 02:59:04 PM
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But sometimes that's the case, there are even some talented players who have lost their performance after leaving Dortmund at their new club, sometimes I wonder what caused these very good players to experience this. Could it be because he doesn't fit in with his teammates or does he really not suit his new coach's coaching style? Well, it seems like fate doesn't line up with careers.

There are certainly several factors that lead to a drop in performance. Problems with the team or the coach, as you have already written. Maybe you do not feel comfortable in the city. The family is not happy at the new place. The structure in the club is not what you have expected. Just like it is in real life. This can also happen to non-footballers when they change a job.
This reason sounds quite reasonable and it seems that it will be difficult for any player if they don't socialize with their surroundings. Football playing is also a profession and it is certainly not easy to adapt to the culture of a different country when pursuing a career at a new club. Sometimes language problems are also often an obstacle because when players have difficulty communicating with colleagues or coaches it can become a misunderstanding on the field so that it will be difficult for these players to develop.

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June 08, 2023, 02:59:08 PM
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I don't have problem with Bayern Munich but I think they usually win the league because other teams are not investing well enough and other teams make huge mistakes otherwise Bayern Munich couldn't win this league at all in a normal situation because of having unstable results and unstable situation in their team.
Bayern was the richest club in bundesliga. If there will be an arabian investor who will be willing to take over some clubs in the bundesliga and this will be ruining bayern's domination. The question is when? It has been a very long time since bayern was always winning bundesliga. it's happening 11 times in total for bayern munchen was winning the league. It's really boring to see this club is always winning the league. EPL become even more and more competitive while this one is still being dominated by a single club.
I think that the next season gonna be the same. The mediocre clubs need to sell their team to the arabian investors. It will make the league become competitive.

Dortmund could have a much better performance and this way they would not lose this chance for this season in the last minutes.
Dortmund was only making a single mistake. Drawn against mainz. It's unacceptable.
That's why dortmund must learn from its mistake. Dortmund under terzic was not so good. It's still inconsistent.

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June 08, 2023, 03:07:21 PM
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I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at  least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.
Why do you think that Dortmund has not that chance again to win the German League Title next year.
They getting better and better and every year they getting closer to Bayern Munich, and with Leipzig and Union Berlin there are now 2 more Teams for fight the Title.
Bayern Munich caused the problem themselves with kicking there coach out in an important time they have got a lot of important games.

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June 08, 2023, 03:24:05 PM
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But sometimes that's the case, there are even some talented players who have lost their performance after leaving Dortmund at their new club, sometimes I wonder what caused these very good players to experience this. Could it be because he doesn't fit in with his teammates or does he really not suit his new coach's coaching style? Well, it seems like fate doesn't line up with careers.

There are certainly several factors that lead to a drop in performance. Problems with the team or the coach, as you have already written. Maybe you do not feel comfortable in the city. The family is not happy at the new place. The structure in the club is not what you have expected. Just like it is in real life. This can also happen to non-footballers when they change a job.
Yep, there are various factors that could possibly happen and in fact this does not only apply to Dortmund but almost all clubs in terms of players because indeed when there are new players who are actually very good at the initial club it is still not certain to be able to improve their conditions at the new club.
As said before but maybe I will add something else in this regard because indeed when we move leagues (for example from the Bundesliga to La Liga or EPL) the conditions for adjustment will be even more so in terms of tension and playing style. The challenge for new players is not only to show their best performance but indeed to adapt in all conditions starting with new colleagues and building chemistry there as well as those related to comfort conditions really need to be emphasized so that players are even more solid at a new club.
Not a few good players have had to fail at this because they couldn't adjust.

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June 08, 2023, 03:50:54 PM
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Dortmund was always a club who made a lot of profit by selling their players. And the sum for Bellingham is huge. They bought him for 25 million euros in 2020 and now he is to be sold for 103 million euros. Although his contract runs until 2025, they have already decided to sell him. I do not know if it would be better to wait for another year. He has performed really well since 2020.

Yeah Dortmund are smart at picking up players and developing and selling them too. They have developed lot of good players over the years and sold them mostly over 70-80m Euro mark easily.  Also Dortmund are not the type of club to hold down a player when player wants to move. In here Bellingham already wanted to move to Madrid and Dortmund as usual don't want to hold the player as usual. I haven't seen them trying to convince a player who wants to move to stay.

Yep, that's Borussia Dortmund's business style. they are skilled at spotting talented young talent, recruiting them and shaping them into players with huge potential. some of them became star players, one of them who was successful and became a big star was Erling Haaland.

Now, Jude Bellingham has completed his medical as a Real Madrid player. the contract has also been signed, running until June 2029. It is planned that Real Madrid will present Bellingham at the Santiago Bernabeu next week. that way, there is nothing to prevent Bellingham from moving to La Liga, as Fabrizio Romano quoted in his tweet.
Well, as we all know. with only one player, Dortmund has made a huge profit. in fact, greater than the sales of previous players. on the other hand, Bayern Munich continues to dominate the Bundesliga trophy. on the other hand, despite failing to break Bayern's dominance this season. however, it seems that from a business standpoint Dortmund make more money than Bayern Munich.

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June 08, 2023, 05:19:30 PM
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It is obvious that Bayern Munich dominates in a number of areas including reputation financial resources and infrastructure. The Bundesliga championship however measures actual strength on the pitch which goes beyond having a roster full of illustrious players. Numerous variables must come together for a team to be the strongest over the course of the full season not just for a single game or month. The game mental component and any potential complacency that results from ongoing success can have a big impact. It is usual for a team used to winning to mistakenly let its guard down giving hungry and tenacious teams a chance. Such events occurred during this Bundesliga season but ultimately everyone saw the expected conclusion.
I do not think that it does, I think it goes directly into having a good roster on the field and that means if you do a good job as management then you are going to win more often than not, which is proven by the league winners so far in the last decade. Bayern manages their financial situation incredibly well, not only they make a lot of good money, but they also spend that money very wisely and they invest and they earn and they reinvest and so forth.

When you combine all that together that makes it easier for them to spend money on buying players and when they do buy players at a good level then that makes it easier for them to win. Who can afford to put a championship team on the field, wolfsburg or Bayern? It's so simple, be financially strong and get good players and win the title.
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June 08, 2023, 06:02:37 PM
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I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at  least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.
Why do you think that Dortmund has not that chance again to win the German League Title next year.
They getting better and better and every year they getting closer to Bayern Munich, and with Leipzig and Union Berlin there are now 2 more Teams for fight the Title.
Bayern Munich caused the problem themselves with kicking there coach out in an important time they have got a lot of important games.

I also think that Dortmund have no chance and desire to win the Bundesliga title. Because the main goal of Dortmund management is to do business. They don't want to win titles. Haaland was Dortmund's main player last season. He has played brilliantly throughout the season. Dortmund management made a lot of money by selling Haaland at the end of the season. Had Haalnd and Sébastien Haller been in Dortmund's squad this season, Dortmund had a great chance of winning the Bundesliga this season.
Sébastien Haller's performances this season have been outstanding. I think Dortmund will still make money by selling Sébastien Haller at the end of next season. If Dortmund's goal was to win the title, they would have wanted to strengthen the squad rather than sell the best players in their squad.

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June 08, 2023, 06:13:04 PM
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But sometimes that's the case, there are even some talented players who have lost their performance after leaving Dortmund at their new club, sometimes I wonder what caused these very good players to experience this. Could it be because he doesn't fit in with his teammates or does he really not suit his new coach's coaching style? Well, it seems like fate doesn't line up with careers.

There are certainly several factors that lead to a drop in performance. Problems with the team or the coach, as you have already written. Maybe you do not feel comfortable in the city. The family is not happy at the new place. The structure in the club is not what you have expected. Just like it is in real life. This can also happen to non-footballers when they change a job.
This reason sounds quite reasonable and it seems that it will be difficult for any player if they don't socialize with their surroundings. Football playing is also a profession and it is certainly not easy to adapt to the culture of a different country when pursuing a career at a new club. Sometimes language problems are also often an obstacle because when players have difficulty communicating with colleagues or coaches it can become a misunderstanding on the field so that it will be difficult for these players to develop.
Moreover, when it comes to adapting to a new environment with all its circumstances, people will vary in their ability to accept it. Some can adapt quickly and easily, while others may struggle and find it difficult to adapt. However, in the case of this profession, one must inevitably be able to adapt quickly to everything, as the consequence of failing to do so would result in a decline in performance and have an impact on others.
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June 08, 2023, 06:22:53 PM
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I already said this before, but i really think that the chances of Borussia Dortmund to become Bundesliga champions this year were extremely high and i don't think that they will get such a big chance again in the next 5 years or so. As you already said, Bayern Munich is by far the strongest team of the Bundesliga and if they are able to at  least reach like 85% of their maximum performance level, then they will win the Bundesliga no matter what the other clubs are doing. This year this was not the case and still Dortmund was not able to profit from that. Now Bayern should be alarmed again and take the next season more serious.
Why do you think that Dortmund has not that chance again to win the German League Title next year.
They getting better and better and every year they getting closer to Bayern Munich, and with Leipzig and Union Berlin there are now 2 more Teams for fight the Title.
Bayern Munich caused the problem themselves with kicking there coach out in an important time they have got a lot of important games.
We could see a totally different ranking next year, you never know, I don't really think Union Berling will be as strong as they were this season, we all saw their performance drop in the last matches of the league, I would count them out of the race of Bundesliga from now, they probably going to end up out of the top 4.

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