Tennis League All Thread

[Cnut237]

Betting on Thiem or Murray is in a way like betting on Krygios, I wouldn't generally do it, they're too unpredictable. In Krygios's case it's his mentality, but Murray it's the physical uncertainty. You can analyse Murray's recent performances, but we'll never be able to get information on exactly how his hip is doing on any given day, or how his recovery has gone after the previous match. I find it a lot easier to bet on players for whom there isn't so much unavailable information.

[vennali]

Betting on Thiem or Murray is in a way like betting on Krygios, I wouldn't generally do it, they're too unpredictable. In Krygios's case it's his mentality, but Murray it's the physical uncertainty. You can analyse Murray's recent performances, but we'll never be able to get information on exactly how his hip is doing on any given day, or how his recovery has gone after the previous match. I find it a lot easier to bet on players for whom there isn't so much unavailable information.

Maybe not Thiem but Murray has been pretty consistent to his ability. One thing that separates him from the rest is the elite mentality. Even though he breaks down and gets tough on himself, he will still try until the last point. Like Nadal, but a notch lower. Its going to be a tough match against Bublik though. Who's very talented but then again, mentally weak. If Murray could stretch the match long enough, he might be able to break him.

[doomloop]

It is actually painful to see that Thiem has fallen so far. He is still an insanely good tennis player but years ago he was seen as the new successor to Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. They are all getting older anyway. I don't believe in a comeback from Federer, by the way. Age is going to play too big a role. He may still win a few games here and there. But if he plays against a fit Nadal or Djokovic, he doesn't stand a chance. Do you still want to play tennis that way?

Now age factor is also having impact on these players as most chances Federer is having no chance to fight back and play again because he is almost forty and this is time for him to announces retirement which could be the best honor for him because staying in hope of playing again with these injuries is not reality.

Nadal and Djokovic can go ahead for some more time but most chances new generation players can give them challenges which are good for the game, but inner politics is now also having some bad impact on game with Djokovic is going to lose second Gran Slam for not having vaccine and Medvedev is already face exit from Wimbledon due to Russia, Ukraine conflict which is never been fair for these sports persons.

[Ratash]

What a war between bonzi and isner on the newport tournament, the game ended 2 1 with all sets going to the tiebreaks, on the other hand murray lost 2 0 against bublik despite being the favourite i think bublik has a good chance to win the title he seem to be in a great shape.

[Rabi3]

What a war between bonzi and isner on the newport tournament, the game ended 2 1 with all sets going to the tiebreaks, on the other hand murray lost 2 0 against bublik despite being the favourite i think bublik has a good chance to win the title he seem to be in a great shape.

that's if he reached the final, I think kubler has a chance to win against Bublik who can play completely differently from a match to another, a safer bet would be Kubler to win a set.

[Kemarit]

What a war between bonzi and isner on the newport tournament, the game ended 2 1 with all sets going to the tiebreaks, on the other hand murray lost 2 0 against bublik despite being the favourite i think bublik has a good chance to win the title he seem to be in a great shape.

Yeah, that will be a dream for bettors here, specially the Over beat if those 3 sets went into a tie break.

So it will be Isner vs Cressy in the semifinals and then Bublik vs Kubler. All rank in this tournament except Kubler. I'm liking the case for Isner though to win this tournament. I think him and Bublik will be great to see in the finals, although Cressy is the slight favorite against Isner. But it make a good case to beat on Isner ML at 2.03.

[buwaytress]

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

Betting on Thiem or Murray is in a way like betting on Krygios, I wouldn't generally do it, they're too unpredictable. In Krygios's case it's his mentality, but Murray it's the physical uncertainty. You can analyse Murray's recent performances, but we'll never be able to get information on exactly how his hip is doing on any given day, or how his recovery has gone after the previous match. I find it a lot easier to bet on players for whom there isn't so much unavailable information.

Now that you mentioned it, I've not once I recall placing a bet on Murray. Thiem used to be on my tickets though, more for value than anything else, but like you say, the value quickly becomes a coin toss -- then you only want to make sure you're getting 2/1 and up for them.

[Trofo]

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

[Joca97]

What a war between bonzi and isner on the newport tournament, the game ended 2 1 with all sets going to the tiebreaks, on the other hand murray lost 2 0 against bublik despite being the favourite i think bublik has a good chance to win the title he seem to be in a great shape.

With how Isner is serving it was expected that we have at least one tie break in the match but didnt expect all 3 sets to go into a tie break. Also Bubliks form is getting better and better we might even see him in top 10 by the end of this year

[Daniel91]

Betting on Thiem or Murray is in a way like betting on Krygios, I wouldn't generally do it, they're too unpredictable. In Krygios's case it's his mentality, but Murray it's the physical uncertainty. You can analyse Murray's recent performances, but we'll never be able to get information on exactly how his hip is doing on any given day, or how his recovery has gone after the previous match. I find it a lot easier to bet on players for whom there isn't so much unavailable information.

Maybe not Thiem but Murray has been pretty consistent to his ability. One thing that separates him from the rest is the elite mentality. Even though he breaks down and gets tough on himself, he will still try until the last point. Like Nadal, but a notch lower. Its going to be a tough match against Bublik though. Who's very talented but then again, mentally weak. If Murray could stretch the match long enough, he might be able to break him.

I totally agree with you on this.
What separated the big three, and initially the big four until Murray dropped out due to numerous injuries, from other tennis players was precisely great mental strength and self-confidence, and a fight to the end.
The very fact that Murray managed to win 3 GS and be an Olympic winner during the time of the big three speaks a lot about his tennis greatness.
Murray unfortunately lost to Bublik, but we all know he won't give up and will come back 

He is a great fighter and never gives up. Many others would have given up tennis long ago in his place.

[buwaytress]

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

That's the thing too, fixing is in every sports but to see it at the highest level is unheard of and the people names are pretty high profile (for me to recognise a name anyway means something since I dn't follow tennis so much).

This is the link I was shown, and there was another one: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/tennis-wettbetrug-matchfixing-spieler-unter-verdacht-100.html

Google translate of course can't really be trusted, but Google thinks I'm German/Dutch/French on some devices.

[Trofo]

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

That's the thing too, fixing is in every sports but to see it at the highest level is unheard of and the people names are pretty high profile (for me to recognise a name anyway means something since I dn't follow tennis so much).

This is the link I was shown, and there was another one: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/tennis-wettbetrug-matchfixing-spieler-unter-verdacht-100.html

Google translate of course can't really be trusted, but Google thinks I'm German/Dutch/French on some devices.

I read the article you linked. Ok it is about Basilashvili and Karatsev, players who played at Wimbledon but match fixing was done earlier in their careers if I understood it correctly. Google translate uses the word forfeit in some places while I am quite sure some other word should be used, like lost on purpose. Forfeits generally don't give anything to the bettors, they are usually just void bets. There are bookies that are exception to this rule, but only one I know/used of is wbet7.

[Zackgeno96]

I never fully understand tennis season. They start on clay, and then you get the French open. after that you have the grass part and you get Wimbledon. And when that is over, they will now play clay tennis again, and then participate in the US open where the surface is hard. That's a weird combination when you think about it, isn't it? Or could it be because there are simply few jobs with that hard surface? Maybe some players don't like it at all to switch surfaces like this. Van Rijthoven unfortunately lost last week, I hope Wimbledon and Rosmalen were not a coincidence for him.

[babygun]

I read the article you linked. Ok it is about Basilashvili and Karatsev, players who played at Wimbledon but match fixing was done earlier in their careers if I understood it correctly. Google translate uses the word forfeit in some places while I am quite sure some other word should be used, like lost on purpose. Forfeits generally don't give anything to the bettors, they are usually just void bets. There are bookies that are exception to this rule, but only one I know/used of is wbet7.

Also used google translate to read this, but I have the same impression as you that they did it at the beginning stages of their career. They are a couple of more fiat bookies that I know, that pay out when a player forfeits during the match.

[tbterryboy]

What match fixing? First time I am hearing about it, care to share something or maybe link an article or two? Usually biggest tournamnts stay out of those stories but we all know ITF is full fixed games. Can't blame the bookies when they limit stakes on those tournaments. Tennis is easy to fix, since you just have to pay one player or he/she can do it on its own as well.

That's the thing too, fixing is in every sports but to see it at the highest level is unheard of and the people names are pretty high profile (for me to recognise a name anyway means something since I dn't follow tennis so much).

This is the link I was shown, and there was another one: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/sport/tennis-wettbetrug-matchfixing-spieler-unter-verdacht-100.html

Google translate of course can't really be trusted, but Google thinks I'm German/Dutch/French on some devices.

These type allegations are not new, but mostly these happened in teams events or sometime happen in these events, but we never have any solid proof from any party about this like sometime back we have news about William sister's father he was also involved in this, but this was just because both sisters were in competitions, and then they have done few tricks but now having things like these are rare because most of the players know if they won then surely they are going to have big prize and honor which is more important than these things.

And as you mention it's not happening at highest level because these players never like things like these, and they know they could be in trouble as well, so just few players can do but not at top just lower or middle level.

[Joca97]

I never fully understand tennis season. They start on clay, and then you get the French open. after that you have the grass part and you get Wimbledon. And when that is over, they will now play clay tennis again, and then participate in the US open where the surface is hard. That's a weird combination when you think about it, isn't it? Or could it be because there are simply few jobs with that hard surface? Maybe some players don't like it at all to switch surfaces like this. Van Rijthoven unfortunately lost last week, I hope Wimbledon and Rosmalen were not a coincidence for him.

Well its not that wierd and first they start with hard court on australian open. After that ends clay season start and then is french open once that ends grass season starts and Wimbledon and what is sad is that it is the shortest of all courts. Then we go back to hard court again and thats it. But this without points on Wimbledon was just crazy

[Rabi3]

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

I believe that match fixing happen all the time, there are multiple things someone can fix and not just winning or losing the match, and those allegations and people getting exposed is just who were bad enough to get caught, I think there are too many that successfully fixed with no proof behind.

[Daniel91]

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

I believe that match fixing happen all the time, there are multiple things someone can fix and not just winning or losing the match, and those allegations and people getting exposed is just who were bad enough to get caught, I think there are too many that successfully fixed with no proof behind.

This is true not only for tennis but also for all other professional sports on which many people bet.
When big money is at stake, of course there are plenty of opportunities for collusion and fraud.
Tennis is a sport in which realistically only the first 40-50 players on the ranking list can live richly, the next 100-200 players survives and the rest not even that.
Tennis is also a very expensive sport, and of course many lower-ranked tennis players without sponsors cannot afford expensive trips and participation in better-paid tournaments.
If you can't make big money in lower paying tournaments and the costs are high, what's left for you? For some tennis players, the answer is obvious, to try to make money in other, illegal ways and at least somehow monetize their tennis career.

[Naficopa]

This is true not only for tennis but also for all other professional sports on which many people bet.
When big money is at stake, of course there are plenty of opportunities for collusion and fraud.
Tennis is a sport in which realistically only the first 40-50 players on the ranking list can live richly, the next 100-200 players survives and the rest not even that.
Tennis is also a very expensive sport, and of course many lower-ranked tennis players without sponsors cannot afford expensive trips and participation in better-paid tournaments.
If you can't make big money in lower paying tournaments and the costs are high, what's left for you? For some tennis players, the answer is obvious, to try to make money in other, illegal ways and at least somehow monetize their tennis career.

People keep running for the money and those who are in this business. Are the big rollers.
Not only tenis but every sport is expensive. And no player at the beginning can afford an international trip without sponsor. So where does the money come from?
why do sponsors like to invest on players?

[aoluain]

Just reading about match fixing allegations at Wimbledon. I'm usually not giving benefit of doubt but this time, wondering if too much has been made, given the sources seem to be pretty similar most of the time (German, French). Depending on the source, he's "found guilty".

I believe that match fixing happen all the time, there are multiple things someone can fix and not just winning or losing the match, and those allegations and people getting exposed is just who were bad enough to get caught, I think there are too many that successfully fixed with no proof behind.

This is true not only for tennis but also for all other professional sports on which many people bet.
When big money is at stake, of course there are plenty of opportunities for collusion and fraud.
Tennis is a sport in which realistically only the first 40-50 players on the ranking list can live richly, the next 100-200 players survives and the rest not even that.
Tennis is also a very expensive sport, and of course many lower-ranked tennis players without sponsors cannot afford expensive trips and participation in better-paid tournaments.
If you can't make big money in lower paying tournaments and the costs are high, what's left for you? For some tennis players, the answer is obvious, to try to make money in other, illegal ways and at least somehow monetize their tennis career.

Just coming back to the thread today and match fixing in Tennis has never registered with
me at all. Naively I thought that the likes of Horse and Greyhound racing along with Soccer
where the typical sports where fixing went on.

@Daniel91 your example of the different ranked players on the tour making a living and
being wealthy actually makes sense. Eventhough some of the big tournaments have big prize
funds they get hoovered up by the tip players 99% of the time.

Of course if its possible that some players with the knowhow and connections will try and
earn money in that way.