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Author Topic: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet  (Read 965829 times)
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January 10, 2013, 11:31:53 PM
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Yubikey works in the most naive way - it act like USB keyboard and when you press the sensor, it simply prints out the signature to stdin. In the oposite Trezor works with custom protocol encapsulated to generic HID messages.

They're doing both, but using feature reports to communicate

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January 11, 2013, 12:44:49 AM
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There won't be any "development boards" for testing, but soon there'll be Raspberry shield with python software for DYI hackers, which will be wire-compatible with Trezor device.

What will one need to assemble a shield?


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January 11, 2013, 12:52:38 AM
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Shield contains OLED display, two buttons and USB HID chip. All parts are freely available in shops or you'll be able to buy assembled shield from us.

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January 11, 2013, 01:02:04 AM
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Shield contains OLED display, two buttons and USB HID chip. All parts are freely available in shops or you'll be able to buy assembled shield from us.

That's it? Would've thought it'd be a bit more complicated. Awesome!


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January 19, 2013, 03:29:05 PM
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First eloxed (colored) prototypes of casings. Color isn't stable enough so it isn't perfect yet, but we're making a progress!


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January 19, 2013, 04:04:24 PM
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missing gold color  Smiley

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January 19, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
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Gold elox isn't so easy. We're thinking about gold-plated casings, but it's definitely out of current scope :-).

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January 19, 2013, 04:09:32 PM
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So....EPIC!!!!
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January 19, 2013, 04:10:48 PM
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Gold color isn't so easy. We're thinking about gold-plated casings, but it's definitely out of current scope :-).
if they are scratched will the color change, or are they the same color the whole way through? (not the gold plated ones I mean)

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January 19, 2013, 04:14:26 PM
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It's just colored finish; natural aluminium color will appear on deep scratches. AFAIK there's no technology for producing colored aluminium/duralumin.

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January 19, 2013, 04:24:03 PM
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It's just colored finish; natural aluminium color will appear on deep scratches. AFAIK there's no technology for producing colored aluminium/duralumin.

elox is pretty hard though - it is used (though thicker admittedly) on industrial fittings to reduce surface wear.

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It's just colored finish; natural aluminium color will appear on deep scratches. AFAIK there's no technology for producing colored aluminium/duralumin.

elox is pretty hard though - it is used (though thicker admittedly) on industrial fittings to reduce surface wear.
may help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodizing

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January 19, 2013, 04:43:02 PM
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missing gold color  Smiley
elox can be yellow... gold plating (known as TitanNitrid) we can try in future :-)
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January 19, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
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When do we get to see one fully assembled?

Do you have any details on how you'll be selling/producing them? Any idea of cost price?

Have you considered adding support for a generic trusted path protocol so any server can send a message and get back an A/B answer in a secure manner?
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It's just colored finish; natural aluminium color will appear on deep scratches. AFAIK there's no technology for producing colored aluminium/duralumin.
Oh, just like those clip things.

Neat, this is turning out to be pretty neat

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January 19, 2013, 07:53:33 PM
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Super excited for this.  Any estimates for when you will accept orders?

Maybe 4-6 weeks? Tongue

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January 19, 2013, 10:37:12 PM
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Have you considered adding support for a generic trusted path protocol so any server can send a message and get back an A/B answer in a secure manner?

Do you have any proposal how this should work? Actually device is able to sign bitcoin transactions (pay to address, pay to script hash) and sign bitcoin messages.

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January 19, 2013, 10:37:39 PM
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Maybe 4-6 weeks? Tongue

Maybe. And maybe not :-P

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January 20, 2013, 06:29:53 PM
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Any idea on what the price for one is looking like at this point?


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January 20, 2013, 07:29:13 PM
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Have you considered adding support for a generic trusted path protocol so any server can send a message and get back an A/B answer in a secure manner?

Do you have any proposal how this should work? Actually device is able to sign bitcoin transactions (pay to address, pay to script hash) and sign bitcoin messages.

Yes. Consider the case of online voting. The voting server wants to ensure the following

a) The vote is cast by a human, not a virus.
b) The vote is cast by each human only once.

We can satisfy this use case by using Trezor like this:

  • Each Trezor has a unique public key (can be RSA) and a certificate signed by the manufacturers, ie, you and stick.
  • When you start the voting process, the Trezor sends its certificate to the computer, which then sends it on to the voting server.
  • The server checks that this certificate has not been seen before, and then encrypts/signs a protocol buffer that includes a message to display onscreen (any arbitrary text) and the two options available. That signed message gets sent to the Trezor, which shows it on screen.
  • The users answer is then signed with the devices private key and uploaded to the voting server which checks it against the public key in the certificate.

In this way, the server can know that no virus interfered with the communication and there is no fake device at work. Of course, it assumes that the devices are somewhat secure against physical tampering.

If you can already sign/verify text messages in the standard way, then I guess you could add it on top of that, though the need to communicate certificates and things makes it not really necessary to re-use something designed only for text.

You don't have to do this now. As the software is open source, somebody could contribute such a protocol and then you incorporate it into your signed builds.
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