[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet

[Portnoy]

Such babies

WTF are you saying?  

Asking for basic information on how to use a product one is looking to buy (to determine, for one thing, if it is even something one 'can' make use of it)
is an unreasonable request?  

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[bitpop]

No never plug this into another computer.

[bitpop]

Well he already said Armory is ready and Electrum is coming.

Such babies

WTF are you saying? 

Asking for basic information on how to use a product one is looking to buy (to determine, for one thing, if it is even something one 'can' make use of it)
is an unreasonable request? 

[dillpicklechips]

No never plug this into another computer.

In theory, this should still be safe, as the trezor never reveals private keys.

[Anon136]

No never plug this into another computer.

In theory, this should still be safe, as the trezor never reveals private keys.

ya that's what i was thinking so it should be perfectly safe from a security stand point to plug it into someone elses computer but would it work? would the devise be able to communicate enough information for the retailers client to properly prepare the transaction for you to then sign?

it would be a really big deal i think if the trezor could be used in this way. it would make using bitcoin for real world transactions soo much simpler, grandma could start using bitcoin.

[neoranga]

Well he already said Armory is ready and Electrum is coming.

Such babies

WTF are you saying? 

Asking for basic information on how to use a product one is looking to buy (to determine, for one thing, if it is even something one 'can' make use of it)
is an unreasonable request? 

I've already read through all the thread to find out the information I was looking for but I still made the request on purpose to make life easier for the next person searching for the same information, specially in the product page where it's much more difficult to find this thread.

[bitpop]

True but a vulnerability could be developed at some point.

The use case of this device is to add protection to an already protected computer. Not for protection against an infested one. You would use this to confirm a transaction using your device and let the transaction cross to the merchant via the network. Not physical touching.

No never plug this into another computer.

In theory, this should still be safe, as the trezor never reveals private keys.

ya that's what i was thinking so it should be perfectly safe from a security stand point to plug it into someone elses computer but would it work? would the devise be able to communicate enough information for the retailers client to properly prepare the transaction for you to then sign?

it would be a really big deal i think if the trezor could be used in this way. it would make using bitcoin for real world transactions soo much simpler, grandma could start using bitcoin.

[bitpop]

I expected portnoy to do the same, not you.

Well he already said Armory is ready and Electrum is coming.

Such babies

WTF are you saying? 

Asking for basic information on how to use a product one is looking to buy (to determine, for one thing, if it is even something one 'can' make use of it)
is an unreasonable request? 

I've already read through all the thread to find out the information I was looking for but I still made the request on purpose to make life easier for the next person searching for the same information, specially in the product page where it's much more difficult to find this thread.

[Anon136]

True but a vulnerability could be developed at some point.

The use case of this device is to add protection to an already protected computer. Not for protection against an infested one. You would use this to confirm a transaction using your device and let the transaction cross to the merchant via the network. Not physical touching.

No never plug this into another computer.

In theory, this should still be safe, as the trezor never reveals private keys.

ya that's what i was thinking so it should be perfectly safe from a security stand point to plug it into someone elses computer but would it work? would the devise be able to communicate enough information for the retailers client to properly prepare the transaction for you to then sign?

it would be a really big deal i think if the trezor could be used in this way. it would make using bitcoin for real world transactions soo much simpler, grandma could start using bitcoin.

its my understanding that the device has no extra memory what so ever above what is needed for the devise to perform its functions. this means there is literally no place for malware to reside. unless there is a flaw in the signature scheme, in which case we have much bigger problems, than it should be entirely safe even to plug this devise into a computer that you know for a fact is infected with malware.

[bitpop]

It's a far fetch but it could be exploited to give up the private keys, exactly whats in its limited memory.

True but a vulnerability could be developed at some point.

The use case of this device is to add protection to an already protected computer. Not for protection against an infested one. You would use this to confirm a transaction using your device and let the transaction cross to the merchant via the network. Not physical touching.

No never plug this into another computer.

In theory, this should still be safe, as the trezor never reveals private keys.

ya that's what i was thinking so it should be perfectly safe from a security stand point to plug it into someone elses computer but would it work? would the devise be able to communicate enough information for the retailers client to properly prepare the transaction for you to then sign?

it would be a really big deal i think if the trezor could be used in this way. it would make using bitcoin for real world transactions soo much simpler, grandma could start using bitcoin.

its my understanding that the device has no extra memory what so ever above what is needed for the devise to perform its functions. this means there is literally no place for malware to reside. unless there is a flaw in the signature scheme, in which case we have much bigger problems, than it should be entirely safe even to plug this devise into a computer that you know for a fact is infected with malware.

[Garr255]

I just ordered one of each kind. Awesome work guys, I'm excited to see the produce

[bitpop]

Philip Banks over here

I just ordered one of each kind. Awesome work guys, I'm excited to see the produce

[Anon136]

It's a far fetch but it could be exploited to give up the private keys, exactly whats in its limited memory.

True but a vulnerability could be developed at some point.

The use case of this device is to add protection to an already protected computer. Not for protection against an infested one. You would use this to confirm a transaction using your device and let the transaction cross to the merchant via the network. Not physical touching.

No never plug this into another computer.

In theory, this should still be safe, as the trezor never reveals private keys.

ya that's what i was thinking so it should be perfectly safe from a security stand point to plug it into someone elses computer but would it work? would the devise be able to communicate enough information for the retailers client to properly prepare the transaction for you to then sign?

it would be a really big deal i think if the trezor could be used in this way. it would make using bitcoin for real world transactions soo much simpler, grandma could start using bitcoin.

its my understanding that the device has no extra memory what so ever above what is needed for the devise to perform its functions. this means there is literally no place for malware to reside. unless there is a flaw in the signature scheme, in which case we have much bigger problems, than it should be entirely safe even to plug this devise into a computer that you know for a fact is infected with malware.

potentially if the attacker could streamline the existing code than he could in theory *make* room for his malware. thats pretty far fetched though because i have to imagine that the code that governs the operation of the device is on read only memory.

[bernard75]

http://www.coindesk.com/trezor-now-taking-pre-orders-for-its-hardware-bitcoin-wallet/

There are two versions of the device. A plastic-encased model, set for a November 2013 release, sells for 1 BTC. That is followed by a brushed aluminum version which costs 3 BTC and is slated for an October 2013 release. Pre-ordering for either of the wallets is available through the Trezor eShop

[wrend]

Where are the files for building PCB.  Thank you.

[neoranga]

+1 preorder of the plastic model.

I'm curious to know what happened to the Kickstarter campaign, does anybody know?

[stick]

I'm curious to know what happened to the Kickstarter campaign, does anybody know?

Kickstarter left us 2 weeks without response, then they said they disliked certain parts of the campaign. When we changed them, they were still not satisfied, but at the same time very vague about what actually they didn't like. So we decided to abandon that route, because we spend almost 4 weeks on it since the conference.

[CoinSphere]

Where are the files for building PCB.  Thank you.

In a similar vein, could you publish the CAD files for the casing? I think you are going to have an aftermarket for this device.

And I ordered one

[chrisrico]

It's a far fetch but it could be exploited to give up the private keys, exactly whats in its limited memory.

Either the device is secure or it isn't. If it isn't, then it's pointless. If it is, then it is safe to use on your own (presumably infected) computer or a merchant's.

[bitpop]

Nothing is secure. But this is secure enough to use on your own computers, not a computer fully exploited and targeted towards you. Satellite SIM cards have been hacked and they use the same technology.