[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet

[stick]

Noob question: Is it safe to purchase a Trezor wallet from someone else (that you might not trust)? Is there any way that something could go wrong if the wallet was tampered with somehow?

You are safe if it is really TREZOR and it was not opened to replace electronics inside (you should be able to tell by opening marks on case, it's designed to be not easy to open without damage).

The hard part might be knowing that what you have in your hands is really TREZOR, if you saw real one only in pictures (in case there will be clones).

[intron]

Noob question: Is it safe to purchase a Trezor wallet from someone else (that you might not trust)? Is there any way that something could go wrong if the wallet was tampered with somehow?

You are safe if it is really TREZOR and it was not opened to replace electronics inside (you should be able to tell by opening marks on case, it's designed to be not easy to open without damage).

The hard part might be knowing that what you have in your hands is really TREZOR, if you saw real one only in pictures (in case there will be clones).

I think the hard part is getting a TREZOR really in your hands;)

[chriswilmer]

Noob question: Is it safe to purchase a Trezor wallet from someone else (that you might not trust)? Is there any way that something could go wrong if the wallet was tampered with somehow?

You are safe if it is really TREZOR and it was not opened to replace electronics inside (you should be able to tell by opening marks on case, it's designed to be not easy to open without damage).

The hard part might be knowing that what you have in your hands is really TREZOR, if you saw real one only in pictures (in case there will be clones).

I thought this could be checked with test vectors. Wasn't that one of the points of deterministic signing?

[mmeijeri]

Test vectors are good, but they don't protect you against backdoors.

[Mike Hearn]

I received my TREZOR. Photos and initial thoughts here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553818.0

[600watt]

I received my TREZOR. Photos and initial thoughts here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553818.0

wow, looks great.

[molecular]

there will be an unofficial trezor demo (held by jalaman and me) in Hamburg (here: http://www.sternchance.de/) tonight, starting at 19:00

come touch it if you're close enough

[TwinWinNerD]

Looking forward to the official sale. Does anyone know if the price will be above the 100$ presale price?

[b!z]

Is it safe to enter the PIN on my computer and not on the TREZOR itself?

TREZOR doesn't have a keyboard but even if you enter the PIN on the computer directly, you're perfectly safe. TREZOR's PIN mechanism is protected against keyloggers, so using it even in internet cafes means no risk fo you.

From: http://www.bitcointrezor.com/faq/

How does the "PIN mechanism" protect against keyloggers? I'm really curious.

[600watt]

there will be an unofficial trezor demo (held by jalaman and me) in Hamburg (here: http://www.sternchance.de/) tonight, starting at 19:00

come touch it if you're close enough

pls do one in frankfurt...   

[CIYAM]

How does the "PIN mechanism" protect against keyloggers? I'm really curious.

My understanding is that it works similar to online banking pin entry systems where the digits 0-9 are "randomly re-arranged".

[Mitchell]

How does the "PIN mechanism" protect against keyloggers? I'm really curious.

My understanding is that it works similar to online banking pin entry systems where the digits 0-9 are "randomly re-arranged".

That is my understanding as well.

[molecular]

Bitcoin Trezor unpacking video

thanks to jalaman

[bitpop]

The package is very hard to open

[stick]

The package is very hard to open

That's how we wanted it to be.

[dnaleor]

The package is very hard to open

That's how we wanted it to be.

smart thinking




Any timeline for the plastic ones?

Looking forward to receive my device

[Velkro]

would love to by one but for up to 25$ (this metalic looks great but its a lot more expensive)
maybe in future

[molecular]

Here's a video I recorded at the Hamburg meeting last night (we had a nice little trezor demo there).



It shows the "secret PIN entry" process.

[TwinWinNerD]

Here's a video I recorded at the Hamburg meeting last night (we had a nice little trezor demo there).



It shows the "secret PIN entry" process.

THank you for providing the video. Now i am jealous and want one. Any ETA when the real launch will happen?

[molecular]

Here's a video I recorded at the Hamburg meeting last night (we had a nice little trezor demo there).



It shows the "secret PIN entry" process.

THank you for providing the video. Now i am jealous and want one. Any ETA when the real launch will happen?

There's still some work being done on the backend (you can even see that "out of sync error" at the end of the video).

I doubt they will ship before the wallet and backend are in good shape and I think that's a good thing. Hoping it will be soon, of course.