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April 20, 2013, 07:31:26 PM
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ne1 ever see this vid before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLWJf345G0s

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"Josh Zerlan on why you should get a refund from BFL"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLWJf345G0s&feature=youtu.be&t=2m16s

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April 20, 2013, 07:40:29 PM
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no but seriously, do u think this is really a BFL chip hashing at 5 gh/s ? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uez9AVfDQIg

just needs to be powered by nuclear?  can't possibly jam it onto a pcd and make it look like a consumer electronics product?  must be in this "mad scientist prototype" setup in order to work? 

would love to hear what BitSyncom thinks about it, as he usually isn't one for jokes and claimed they reached that stage "1.2 months before shipping"

my questions is does anyone closely following this story believe they have chips?  these videos aren't another rouse?

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April 20, 2013, 10:14:44 PM
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no but seriously, do u think this is really a BFL chip hashing at 5 gh/s ? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uez9AVfDQIg

just needs to be powered by nuclear?  can't possibly jam it onto a pcd and make it look like a consumer electronics product?  must be in this "mad scientist prototype" setup in order to work? 

would love to hear what BitSyncom thinks about it, as he usually isn't one for jokes and claimed they reached that stage "1.2 months before shipping"

my questions is does anyone closely following this story believe they have chips?  these videos aren't another rouse?

As a rouse to make newbs part with their cash for pre-orders, yes. As I view these demos, these are teaser videos; ideally, development should be within its walls without advertising progress AND without taking people's money. These videos will get people who are new into bitcoin to quickly pre-order from their website, therefore funding BFL's operations.

Do they have ASIC chips? Ask Josh/Inaba, they might give you an answer. For all I know, they could be using FPGA chips for mining.

My potato chips that are fresh out from my oven can hash faster than those Japs; I only need to wedge a chip in a USB connector and call it the POTASIC chip BTCMiner. Your guess is as good as mine!

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April 21, 2013, 01:21:33 AM
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no but seriously, do u think this is really a BFL chip hashing at 5 gh/s ? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uez9AVfDQIg

just needs to be powered by nuclear?  can't possibly jam it onto a pcd and make it look like a consumer electronics product?  must be in this "mad scientist prototype" setup in order to work? 

would love to hear what BitSyncom thinks about it, as he usually isn't one for jokes and claimed they reached that stage "1.2 months before shipping"

my questions is does anyone closely following this story believe they have chips?  these videos aren't another rouse?
POTASIC chip BTCMiner.
hahahaha

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April 21, 2013, 01:29:37 AM
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Josh where are you? Come and post some dumb shit so we can all make fun of you so you hopefully finally decide to do god a favor and abort your failure of a life.
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April 21, 2013, 03:18:12 AM
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Josh where are you? Come and post some dumb shit so we can all make fun of you so you hopefully finally decide to do god a favor and abort your failure of a life.


Not cool, no matter what.

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April 21, 2013, 03:45:19 AM
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no but seriously, do u think this is really a BFL chip hashing at 5 gh/s ? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uez9AVfDQIg

just needs to be powered by nuclear?  can't possibly jam it onto a pcd and make it look like a consumer electronics product?  must be in this "mad scientist prototype" setup in order to work? 

would love to hear what BitSyncom thinks about it, as he usually isn't one for jokes and claimed they reached that stage "1.2 months before shipping"

my questions is does anyone closely following this story believe they have chips?  these videos aren't another rouse?
POTASIC chip BTCMiner.
hahahaha

I'll take a bag

Here is proof they have chips; PotASICs out from the oven:


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April 21, 2013, 04:18:56 AM
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Josh where are you? Come and post some dumb shit so we can all make fun of you so you hopefully finally decide to do god a favor and abort your failure of a life.


Not cool, no matter what.

It's not any worse than the psycho troll shit Josh has posted here.
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April 21, 2013, 04:27:10 AM
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Josh where are you? Come and post some dumb shit so we can all make fun of you so you hopefully finally decide to do god a favor and abort your failure of a life.


Not cool, no matter what.

It's not any worse than the psycho troll shit Josh has posted here.

Believe me, I have no love for the any of the BFL bullshitters.  That just isn't cool.

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April 21, 2013, 09:25:35 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_6mmTRheUzg

I trust David, seems as if BFL has shipped him something that hashes.

david is close to BFL.  It seems he communicates with the top brass there frequently, but i still trust him so this is certainly eyebrow-raising. 

He mentions in the video he was going to take it apart, i hope that is posted soon. 

Seems like if BFL could make 1, they could make lots, and quickly.

Could this be the "Luke Unit" repackaged?  that theory seems a little out there right now, but you never know with BFL. 

:popcorn indeed...

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April 21, 2013, 10:41:39 PM
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... Could this be the "Luke Unit" repackaged?  that theory seems a little out there right now, but you never know with BFL. 


No, Luke's unit is still hashing away without interruption and has been since the 19th. $3,675 and counting by my calculations (30btc*$122.5)....

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1CdcYVP4T4hjHwt353pEnGHrigeDLvuvZL

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April 21, 2013, 11:02:44 PM
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No, Luke's unit is still hashing away without interruption and has been since the 19th. $3,675 and counting by my calculations (30btc*$122.5)....

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1CdcYVP4T4hjHwt353pEnGHrigeDLvuvZL

Apparently some people think Luke must be "in on it" and is lying about his unit. I'm sure David Perry is also part of the conspiracy too now. And with Kano getting a unit next, I'm sure someone will say he's lying as well about whatever he reports. Whee.

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April 21, 2013, 11:17:57 PM
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No, Luke's unit is still hashing away without interruption and has been since the 19th. $3,675 and counting by my calculations (30btc*$122.5)....

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1CdcYVP4T4hjHwt353pEnGHrigeDLvuvZL

Apparently some people think Luke must be "in on it" and is lying about his unit. I'm sure David Perry is also part of the conspiracy too now. And with Kano getting a unit next, I'm sure someone will say he's lying as well about whatever he reports. Whee.

It's pretty logical Luke-Jr getting a unit as he develops BGMiner. I believe Kano develops CGMiner? So no problems there...

Dunno what David develops...

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April 21, 2013, 11:20:49 PM
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It looks promising seeing a review, but I am still not paying full price for a pre-order.

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April 21, 2013, 11:28:45 PM
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It's pretty logical Luke-Jr getting a unit as he develops BGMiner. I believe Kano develops CGMiner? So no problems there...

I agree completely.

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April 22, 2013, 05:47:58 PM
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wow that was racist borring and full of shit

You only think it's racist because your mother was a whore.

It's pretty logical Luke-Jr getting a unit as he develops BGMiner. I believe Kano develops CGMiner? So no problems there...

I agree completely.

Minus the part where Fluke-jr got a picture of a unit. This may be of no concern to him, as his idea of "coding" is copy-pasting anyway, but I'd guess Kano can't really do much against a pic. We'll see.

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April 23, 2013, 12:32:12 PM
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Shipping one unit vs shipping 100,000 are two very different challenges.  I wonder if he had to return the engineering sample after the video?

I know BFL has some experience manufacturing... but believe me.  Designing a PCB, sourcing components, dealing with idiosyncrasies of these components, having them wave soldered, etc....  then assembly, testing, boxing, shipping, dealing with returns/loss, etc.  No easy feat....  I wish them the very best of luck, but I'm glad I got a refund when I did.

To put things in perspective.  My mining pool, when I preordered in June of last year, was at 2000ghash/s.   Now, they're at 9000ghash/s and the reward is half of what I was before.

It'll be interesting to graph an investment in GPU vs Jalapeno, if both were purchased at the same time to see which one is a better investment.  Jalapeno would still probably win, but every day it's not mining for the purchaser, is one hell of an opportunity cost at idle.
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April 24, 2013, 03:37:21 PM
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Shipping one unit vs shipping 100,000 are two very different challenges.  I wonder if he had to return the engineering sample after the video?

I know BFL has some experience manufacturing... but believe me.  Designing a PCB, sourcing components, dealing with idiosyncrasies of these components, having them wave soldered, etc....  then assembly, testing, boxing, shipping, dealing with returns/loss, etc.  No easy feat....  I wish them the very best of luck, but I'm glad I got a refund when I did.

To put things in perspective.  My mining pool, when I preordered in June of last year, was at 2000ghash/s.   Now, they're at 9000ghash/s and the reward is half of what I was before.

It'll be interesting to graph an investment in GPU vs Jalapeno, if both were purchased at the same time to see which one is a better investment.  Jalapeno would still probably win, but every day it's not mining for the purchaser, is one hell of an opportunity cost at idle.
The price in June of last year was $6 too.  $165 / $6 = 27.5.  9000 * 2 / 2000 = 9.  So it is 9 times as hard to mine now as it was then, but it is 27.5 times as profitable.
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April 25, 2013, 07:27:09 AM
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I'll admit it appears that BFL is a real company, built by a mail-order scammer, lying about shipping dates and being as dishonest as possible with marketing, and letting a PR guy with a Directv scamming record spew verbal diarrhea at anyone calling question to this obviously questionable scenario.

I hold to the point that BFL gambled pre-order money - and it looks like they may win - but nothing was ever guaranteed.  Full lose was very possible, and they lied and lied and lied to everyone's faces about dates.  Plain 'ole lies.

If they end up shipping something that hashes a little less than what they promised with a little more power consumption than intended they are not going to go down as a scam in the court of public opinion.  Well, it's called a "freeroll" where I'm from.  No downside, only a chance to win.

That being said there is still a fucking mountain to climb here.  The number of preorders... oh what a mountain that must be... and to ship all of those minirig orders at hashrates? 

it seems like much, much shipping is yet to be done before BFL is "not a scam" but I will say that they do appear at this stage to have a product.  Which is about when most companies start taking pre-orders. 

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April 25, 2013, 07:51:38 PM
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Well...

Using preorder cash the way they have is a crime.  It must be a crime....  Last time I preordered something, my credit card was charged when the item was SHIPPED.

But, here's what really pissed me off.  I couldn't believe the amount of disrespect he displayed at CES.  I'm not sure what he was so pissed about, because I'm sure he doesn't talk to everyone like that (there must be some undercurrent there)... but at least have the decency and professionalism to explain why you don't want to have a conversation instead of being a jackass.

After watching that, I'd never patronize a company Josh Zerlan was in front of, period.

Have you read this?  I'm sure you have...  http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/engineering-the-bitcoin-gold-rush-an-interview-with-yifu-guo-creator-of-the-first-asic-based-miner

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We never intended for this to be a real business. But then lo and behold, Butterfly Labs announced that they were delayed. October came and went, November came and went, December came and went and they still hadn’t shipped. Meanwhile, we’re chugging along.

So Avalon decided to get into the ASIC game AFTER BFL announced their line up and beat them to the market.  It looks like these guys are ramping up production too... actually, these guys are dialed in.  They make BFL look like ASIC chumps.

I would put a bet that even if BFL is able to produce something for the masses, someone is not going to get their unit.  In order to meet price commitments, they're going to have to be the loss leader in ASICs...  and eventually, some folks at the end of the line isn't going to get in the door.
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