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[Davidvictorson]

The question is whether Marc Marquez is able to overtake the number of wins for both of them (Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini) after he

In my own opinion, I don't think Marc Marquez will return to racing after his recovery from surgery. Man, has had one too man crashes. He has pushed his limits. To me his career has ended. His last best performance was in 2015 COTA. So back to your question, he is not going to overtake the number of wins for both of Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini because I do not think he is coming back.

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Lewis Hamilton HAD TO talk about last years Silverstone. He said he was happy to fight it out with Charles and he was great and it was fun to do it with someone who knows it. This is a direct insult to Max basically which is fine this is a sport and people trash talk that's fine. But at the same time, we are talking about something Max could have died, yes the cars are much safer these days but still a 51g could always leave a mark on you if you are not careful.

This means that Lewis just attacked Max for something he did (he wasn't on his apex, hence why he got a penalty for 10 seconds) that could have resulted with Max's death. I am sorry but that's not trash talk, that's being a bad person.

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The question is whether Marc Marquez is able to overtake the number of wins for both of them (Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini) after he recovers from surgery and returns to racing as usual?

Depends, several rumors were saying back on days that his career was over and he could not be competitive anymore.

We will see but, I don't think he will can beat it.

[swogerino]

The question is whether Marc Marquez is able to overtake the number of wins for both of them (Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini) after he

In my own opinion, I don't think Marc Marquez will return to racing after his recovery from surgery. Man, has had one too man crashes. He has pushed his limits. To me his career has ended. His last best performance was in 2015 COTA. So back to your question, he is not going to overtake the number of wins for both of Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini because I do not think he is coming back.

In order to overtake the legends of MotoGP with the number of victories you have to be present,race to your maximum and beat the competition.Unfortunately the damage that Marquez has received from his many many crashes is not reversible,he cannot be back to his best days when victory was to easy for him.It is a shame though as I don't enjoy much MotoGP now compared to the days when guys like Marquez,Rossi,Lorenzo and company were all fighting for victory,those were races that gave you emotions,I don't feel any with the actual riders.

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In my own opinion, I don't think Marc Marquez will return to racing after his recovery from surgery. Man, has had one too man crashes. He has pushed his limits. To me his career has ended. His last best performance was in 2015 COTA. So back to your question, he is not going to overtake the number of wins for both of Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini because I do not think he is coming back.

Thank you for giving your opinion on this. But you also need to know that for the COTA circuit or the one located in Texas and I often refer to it as the Austin circuit, it has always been dominated by Marc Marquez so he won there very often except in 2019 when he crashed while leading the race and another was this year when he pressed the wrong button on his motorbike at the start of the race which resulted in him slipping backwards and only being able to finish the race in 6th position.

Depends, several rumors were saying back on days that his career was over and he could not be competitive anymore.

We will see but, I don't think he will can beat it.

I also thought that after seeing his condition from 2020 until this year where he has been very difficult to control the bike and has started to struggle to get wins in every race. And it's a different story if he no longer returns to racing which will eventually decide to retire, but for now everyone should think of him as an active MotoGP rider because he still hasn't retired even though he is absent for racing because he has to start his recovery again.

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1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m06.302s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m06.447s
3   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m06.702s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m06.839s
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m06.909s
6   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m06.965s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m07.039s
8   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m07.100s
9   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m07.246s
10   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m07.296s
11   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m07.431s
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m07.462s
13   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m07.476s
14   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m07.522s
15   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m07.582s
16   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m07.592s
17   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m07.743s
18   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m07.889s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m08.149s
20   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m09.915s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1007485/1/f1-2022-austrian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1


Remember we will have sprint qualifying so the qualify it will be today in 2 hour-ish

[Cnut237]

Remember we will have sprint qualifying so the qualify it will be today in 2 hour-ish

Difficult to read that much into it I suppose after just one session. But I'd imagine the same as usual, Max and the Ferraris fighting for the top few places, with Mercedes and Perez in 4th to 6th, in whatever order.
Merc I think looked relatively good (or at least less bad) last time around, but that was a track that really suited their car. This track, not quite so much... the normal pecking order should be restored.

[tokeweed]

I missed Q1 and Q2 and caught a stream at the first red flag of Q3..   I forgot that it was going to be a sprint race with quali happening today instead of tomorrow.  But yeah, unfortunate for both Mercedes drivers.

And on the last runs after the second red flag, I really thought Leclerc had P1 in the bag when Verstappen had a slightly slower run at sector 1 and 2.  But surprisingly got pole after a decent last run at sector 3.

2022 F1 Austrian GP Qualifying Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m05.852s   1m05.374s   1m04.984s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m05.419s   1m05.287s   1m05.013s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m05.660s   1m05.576s   1m05.066s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m06.143s   1m05.805s   1m05.404s
5   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m06.235s   1m05.697s   1m05.431s
6   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m06.468s   1m05.993s   1m05.726s
7   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m06.366s   1m05.894s   1m05.879s
8   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m06.405s   1m06.151s   1m06.011s
9   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m06.016s   1m06.082s   1m06.103s
10   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m06.079s   1m05.475s   1m13.151s
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m06.589s   1m06.160s   
12   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m06.516s   1m06.230s   
13   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m06.442s   1m06.319s   
14   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m06.463s   1m06.851s   
15   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m06.330s   1m25.847s   
16   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m06.613s       
17   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m06.847s       
18   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m06.901s       
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m07.003s       
20   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m07.083s   

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All the timers for Perez have been removed, he did an invalid lap on Q2 so they removed all the Q3 times to.

This will be the official start.



Source: https://twitter.com/Roberta07love/status/1545494662437371904/photo/1

[LTU_btc]

I was at work, so, wasn't able to watch qualification. Not surprised about results at all. Perez lap time removed probably is good thing for neutral spectators - it means that's he probably will try to make sprint actually, there is potential to gain a lot position for him. Now I watch replay of Mercedes crashes - Russel did very typical mistake in this track, while Hamilton crash looks a bit strange.

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I was at work, so, wasn't able to watch qualification. Not surprised about results at all. Perez lap time removed probably is good thing for neutral spectators - it means that's he probably will try to make sprint actually, there is potential to gain a lot position for him. Now I watch replay of Mercedes crashes - Russel did very typical mistake in this track, while Hamilton crash looks a bit strange.

Both Mercedes were in the aggressive move, which means very low high.

In this case, a minimal variation of the vacuum created under the car and you are unable to keep the car on the track.

They were fighting for the pole, they tried and got no luck.

[el kaka22]

Vettel had a problem with the lines and his record was deleted, but even with that he was like 15th or 16th and wasn't doing fine. Aston Martin should stop whatever they are doing and start doing all they can to get it better, like literally design the whole car from scratch if you have to, this isn't just working.

You can't have Sebastian Vettel on your team and watch him get killed in all of this, dude deserves to be somewhere much better. If he stayed in Ferrari and he raised Charles with him as a veteran, Charles could have been much better today for example. It's just silly to see him racing for such a bad team, he deserves to be treated like a king right now.

[Jackl87]

Remember we will have sprint qualifying so the qualify it will be today in 2 hour-ish

Of course i totally forgot about the fact that we are having a sprint qualifying this race weekend and when i came home yesterday evening i was obviously surprised that it already happened. The result of the qualifying itself was not that surprising. With Verstappen on the pole position followed by Leclerc and Sainz we basically have the outcome that was probably expected by most people. Perez would have completed the completely expected result with P4 but he got that penalty and has to start from P13 now.
Also it was a pretty strong performance of Haas in the Qualfiying P6 and P7 are great results for them.

[swogerino]

Remember we will have sprint qualifying so the qualify it will be today in 2 hour-ish

Of course i totally forgot about the fact that we are having a sprint qualifying this race weekend and when i came home yesterday evening i was obviously surprised that it already happened. The result of the qualifying itself was not that surprising. With Verstappen on the pole position followed by Leclerc and Sainz we basically have the outcome that was probably expected by most people. Perez would have completed the completely expected result with P4 but he got that penalty and has to start from P13 now.
Also it was a pretty strong performance of Haas in the Qualfiying P6 and P7 are great results for them.

The sprint is today but it is on 16.30 European time so there is time until that.I think that Verstappen will have a very easy sprint race which will give him the top position in the end of the sprint and the first for tomorrow race only if he manages to get out first out of the first turn.Leclerc will probably go all in and attack him because he knows very well it will be the only chance to catch Verstappen,we all know that Redbull in race distance and especially with Verstappen is almost unstoppable,I have not yet seen any race that another car have overtaken Verstappen during a race.

[Distraction]

The qualifying session was really nice to watch for me. I regret to say that Hamilton and Russell had a bad day but both of them are still in a little profit now. Because Perez's best lap in Q2 and all laps in Q3 have been removed and he went down to the 13th place in the grid. Especially Russell is still going to start in the 4th place even though he crashed into a wall and left the session early. Verstappen and Leclerc competed very well against each other and Verstappen is starting from the 1st place today in the sprint race. I think we will see a really good competition again in this race and Leclerc might even take the pole too.

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The last hour of the practice has been concluded.

1   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m08.610s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m08.660s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m08.778s
4   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m08.832s
5   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m08.848s
6   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m09.179s
7   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m09.240s
8   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m09.251s
9   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m09.350s
10   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m09.519s
11   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m09.525s
12   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m09.579s
13   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m09.602s
14   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m09.665s
15   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m09.700s
16   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m09.740s
17   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m09.852s
18   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m09.960s
19   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m10.005s
20   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m10.261s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1007640/1/f1-2022-austrian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-2

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The last hour of the practice has been concluded.

1   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m08.610s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m08.660s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m08.778s
4   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m08.832s
5   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m08.848s
6   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m09.179s
7   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m09.240s
8   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m09.251s
9   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m09.350s
10   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m09.519s
11   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m09.525s
12   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m09.579s
13   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m09.602s
14   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m09.665s
15   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m09.700s
16   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m09.740s
17   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m09.852s
18   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m09.960s
19   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m10.005s
20   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m10.261s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1007640/1/f1-2022-austrian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-2

That is showing good performance from Ferrari but we will find it soon enough in the Sprint race starting just 30 minutes from now if they are truly faster than Redbull or that Redbull is just trying different setups.I think it is the true form of Ferrari and I hope they show it during this Sprint race,we really need some team to overtake the Redbulls during a race,a thing which up until now has not happened,overtaking Verstappen I mean,as for Perez he is just a good 2nd driver and I don't think his chances to win F1 are as real as those of Verstappen and Leclerc during this year.

[ingiltere]

Today we are watching a sprint race, that's the second time this season. Verstappen is the leader again from the start. Leclerc and Sainz got a battle for second place. It's nice for us to see they battle each other but I don't know about Ferrari management. They may not be as happy as fans.
First eight place get points and battle for eight place was also exciting. Hamilton passed Mick Schumacher in last laps and got one point. Perez reduced damage and finished fifth. Leclerc got the fastest laps. Tomorrow's race will be very exciting and as Leclerc said they have a good chance in Grand Prix.

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The starting two laps of the sprint rwce was nice with Leclerc and Sainz going at it vs Verstappen but then at the second lap it then proceeded to be a battle for P2 between two team mates which was hilarious to see cos we know Leclerc is mad af after Silverstone.  

I think Leclerc will really start to fight for every inch of the remaining races, be it vs Verstappen, Perez or even vs Sainz.  His season has finally now really started.  I hope he wins a couple of races and gets closer in points with Verstappen.  That would makes things a lot more interesting.

2022 F1 Austrian GP Sprint Race Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   23 Laps
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   + 1.675s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   + 5.644s
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 13.429s
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   + 18.302s
6   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 31.032s
7   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   + 34.539s
8   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 35.447s
9   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   + 37.163s
10   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   + 37.557s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 38.580s
12   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   + 39.738s
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 48.241s
14   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   + 50.753s
15   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 52.125s
16   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   + 52.412s
17   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 54.556s
18   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   + 68.694s
    Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   DNF
    Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   DNS

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Good recovery from Perez, still impressive how good is Redbull with DRS.

In comparison, Hamilton got a log of problems overtaking Schumacher.